Kalonzo:NA speaker or Tseikuru.

[Githunguri]

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The choice is yours.

The DPORK shall be GEMA,Peter Munya.


If you dare challege thia power shall be handed to Ruto..utarudi Tseikuru.

[RV Heavy Hitter!]

Ruto is not given presidency; he earns it and takes it! Kalonzo is Raila's deputy or about 700K kambas will vote Kenya kwanza to punish Assimio! Ruto has all of them by the balls because they have godfathers and he has God the father! Everything falling in place! I will be replacing David Murathe soon!

[RV Pundit]

Raila needs kalonzo.Munya represent merus who are not half kamba in population.Its no brainer kalonzo is best of the worst..munya is second..the rest are disaster because Martha or Pk or Lee will get Raila nothing more..Gideon simply kills the ticket.Btw munya influence may not extend beyond tigania..so kalonzo still the man

[RV Pundit]

Ruto is not given presidency; he earns it and takes it! Kalonzo is Raila's deputy or about 700K kambas will vote Kenya kwanza to punish Assimio! Ruto has all of them by the balls because they have godfathers and he has God the father! Everything falling in place! I will be replacing David Murathe soon!

That kalonzo folks know..Ruto is very popular in ukambani and without dpork..wiper will be wiped out..it's do or die.If denied dpork..he will go to Ruto for some accommodation.Can Ruto risky him as Dpork and leave the more populous gema..I doubt..so he will settle for less

[Githunguri]

The last time we had by elections in Ukambani machakos county UDA led by its chairman muthama got less than 20% votes sp this imahinary ruto support in ukambani comes from where?even mulu mutisya or kalonzo couldnt give Moi that imaginary suppprt?

Secondly,The mere fact kalonzo wont be DPORK has zero impact on azimio.He has done it in 2002 and kambas voted for Raila so its therefor nonsensical for kalenjins to claim kambas are behind them

UDA starts and ends in Kalenjin.

[audacityofhope]

The last time we had by elections in Ukambani machakos county UDA led by its chairman muthama got less than 20% votes sp this imahinary ruto support in ukambani comes from where?even mulu mutisya or kalonzo couldnt give Moi that imaginary suppprt?

Secondly,The mere fact kalonzo wont be DPORK has zero impact on azimio.He has done it in 2002 and kambas voted for Raila so its therefor nonsensical for kalenjins to claim kambas are behind them

UDA starts and ends in Kalenjin.

I don't expect a comeback. Not a sensible comeback after that fact served raw & cold.

[Nowayhaha]

Ruto goes to Ukambani without any baggage . Uhuru had the following baggage 1. Sibling Kikuyu Kamba Rivarly, 2nd Kibaki 2008 post P.E.V. support and 3rd Save Uhuru Shuttle diplomacy.
Ruto just like Moi has support due to the AIC connections. 2nd Somw Kambas would just vote anything but not a GEMA and thirdly there is real Raila fatigue. Same as Odinga Fatigue in 1992 and Moi fatigue in 2002.
Ruto will suprise many in Kamba land come Aug 09. Now coupled with the betrayal i forsee Ruto topling the Kamba vote from Raila . Kibaki managed that in 2002.

Ruto is not given presidency; he earns it and takes it! Kalonzo is Raila's deputy or about 700K kambas will vote Kenya kwanza to punish Assimio! Ruto has all of them by the balls because they have godfathers and he has God the father! Everything falling in place! I will be replacing David Murathe soon!

[RV Heavy Hitter!]

Ruto is not given presidency; he earns it and takes it! Kalonzo is Raila's deputy or about 700K kambas will vote Kenya kwanza to punish Assimio! Ruto has all of them by the balls because they have godfathers and he has God the father! Everything falling in place! I will be replacing David Murathe soon!

That kalonzo folks know..Ruto is very popular in ukambani and without dpork..wiper will be wiped out..it's do or die.If denied dpork..he will go to Ruto for some accommodation.Can Ruto risky him as Dpork and leave the more populous gema..I doubt..so he will settle for less

No, he can't come to UDA and demand the same. In Kenya Kwanza, DP will choose a very popular Kikuyu with integrity and zeal to change the lives of Kenyans. The person will deputize him for a 10  years and DP will return the favor for 10 years. Kimani Ichungwah, Mwangi of equity, and Ndindi are on the shortlist. In the internal poll done by UDA, Kimani is wildly popular in the mountain, almost 70%!

[RV Heavy Hitter!]

Ruto goes to Ukambani without any baggage . Uhuru had the following baggage 1. Sibling Kikuyu Kamba Rivarly, 2nd Kibaki 2008 post P.E.V. support and 3rd Save Uhuru Shuttle diplomacy.
Ruto just like Moi has support due to the AIC connections. 2nd Somw Kambas would just vote anything but not a GEMA and thirdly there is real Raila fatigue. Same as Odinga Fatigue in 1992 and Moi fatigue in 2002.
Ruto will suprise many in Kamba land come Aug 09. Now coupled with the betrayal i forsee Ruto topling the Kamba vote from Raila . Kibaki managed that in 2002.

Ruto is not given the presidency; he earns it and takes it! Kalonzo is Raila's deputy or about 700K kambas will vote Kenya kwanza to punish Assimio! Ruto has all of them by the balls because they have godfathers and he has God the father! Everything falling in place! I will be replacing David Murathe soon!

Yes, Kambas are AIC like the Kalenjins and that religious connection may be the thing that Ruto, like Moi, will benefit from. I just think Kalonzo has no better option than being Raila's deputy. That is the only way 60-70% of Kamba will stay in Azimio. If for whatever reason he doesn't get that position, reciprocity as he alluded, will not have been met and voters will notice. Azimio is simply kaput!

[RV Pundit]

YOU NAILED IT.
It why Kalonzo and team are under immense pressure to get DPORK.
That will save them from a UDA rout.
If Kalonzo doesnt get DPORK - he will run or join Kenya Kwanza.
Ruto has the ground support in Ukambani - that is very similar to 2010 referendum.
Remember NOs beat the Yes - and I suspect that same support now backing Ruto(Church is strong in Ukambani due to endemic poverty)
Many Kambas feel Raila has taken their support almost for granted.

Ruto goes to Ukambani without any baggage . Uhuru had the following baggage 1. Sibling Kikuyu Kamba Rivarly, 2nd Kibaki 2008 post P.E.V. support and 3rd Save Uhuru Shuttle diplomacy.
Ruto just like Moi has support due to the AIC connections. 2nd Somw Kambas would just vote anything but not a GEMA and thirdly there is real Raila fatigue. Same as Odinga Fatigue in 1992 and Moi fatigue in 2002.
Ruto will suprise many in Kamba land come Aug 09. Now coupled with the betrayal i forsee Ruto topling the Kamba vote from Raila . Kibaki managed that in 2002.

Ruto is not given presidency; he earns it and takes it! Kalonzo is Raila's deputy or about 700K kambas will vote Kenya kwanza to punish Assimio! Ruto has all of them by the balls because they have godfathers and he has God the father! Everything falling in place! I will be replacing David Murathe soon!

[RV Pundit]

I suspect you're pushing for your friend Kimani hapo. I think Ndidi Nyoro is more popular, comes from Muranga and would represent a real future promise. But either Ichungwa or Ndidi would excite GEMA but rest of country might be spooked because they are jumping the line. Rigathi is better as interior minister...because age is not on his side. By 2032 - he would be tired and old like Jakom.

No, he can't come to UDA and demand the same. In Kenya Kwanza, DP will choose a very popular Kikuyu with integrity and zeal to change the lives of Kenyans. The person will deputize him for a 10  years and DP will return the favor for 10 years. Kimani Ichungwah, Mwangi of equity, and Ndindi are on the shortlist. In the internal poll done by UDA, Kimani is wildly popular in the mountain, almost 70%!

[RV Pundit]

In 2010 - Kambas suprised everyone - by voting with Ruto- Nos compared to Yes. Ukambani was more like 55-60 Nos. This election based on data so far - both anecdotal and empirical - we are in for another suprise - Ukambani

2010 referendum results..
Central   1,274,967   84.4   235,588   15.6   29,692   1,540,247   1,958,898   78.6
Coast   425,626   79.24   111,532   20.76   16,388   553,546   997,086   55.5
Eastern   741,109   56.43   572,109   43.57   32,480   1,345,698   2,028,444   66.3
Nairobi   678,621   76.52   208,195   23.48   29,298   916,114   1,292,229   70.9
North Eastern   110,992   95.71   4,970   4.29   599   116,561   231,928   50.3
Nyanza   1,174,033   92.04   101,491   7.96   20,257   1,295,781   1,705,292   76.0
Rift Valley   971,331   40.52   1,426,102   59.48   65,447   2,462,880   3,046,294   80.8
Western   715,914   84.13   135,072   15.87   24,472   875,458   1,356,456   64.5
Total   6,092,593   68.55   2,795,059   31.45   218,633   9,106,285   12,616,627   72.2

Yes, Kambas are AIC like the Kalenjins and that religious connection may be the thing that Ruto, like Moi, will benefit from. I just think Kalonzo has no better option than being Raila's deputy. That is the only way 60-70% of Kamba will stay in Azimio. If for whatever reason he doesn't get that position, reciprocity as he alluded, will not have been met and voters will notice. Azimio is simply kaput!

[Githunguri]

In 2010 - Kambas suprised everyone - by voting with Ruto- Nos compared to Yes. Ukambani was more like 55-60 Nos. This election based on data so far - both anecdotal and empirical - we are in for another suprise - Ukambani

2010 referendum results..
Central   1,274,967   84.4   235,588   15.6   29,692   1,540,247   1,958,898   78.6
Coast   425,626   79.24   111,532   20.76   16,388   553,546   997,086   55.5
Eastern   741,109   56.43   572,109   43.57   32,480   1,345,698   2,028,444   66.3
Nairobi   678,621   76.52   208,195   23.48   29,298   916,114   1,292,229   70.9
North Eastern   110,992   95.71   4,970   4.29   599   116,561   231,928   50.3
Nyanza   1,174,033   92.04   101,491   7.96   20,257   1,295,781   1,705,292   76.0
Rift Valley   971,331   40.52   1,426,102   59.48   65,447   2,462,880   3,046,294   80.8
Western   715,914   84.13   135,072   15.87   24,472   875,458   1,356,456   64.5
Total   6,092,593   68.55   2,795,059   31.45   218,633   9,106,285   12,616,627   72.2

Yes, Kambas are AIC like the Kalenjins and that religious connection may be the thing that Ruto, like Moi, will benefit from. I just think Kalonzo has no better option than being Raila's deputy. That is the only way 60-70% of Kamba will stay in Azimio. If for whatever reason he doesn't get that position, reciprocity as he alluded, will not have been met and voters will notice. Azimio is simply kaput!

NONSENSE

Everybody knows Kalonzo was non committal on 2010 referendum.

If Ruto had Ukambani support,He would have delivered Ukambani votes in 2013,2017 elections or the recent machakos senatorial vote in 2021 by election

On that note,don't tell us any kambas voted jubilee,Those pockets of ukambani votes are kikuyu diaspora.

[RV Pundit]

Ruto was not running for PORK in 2013 & 2017.
If you paid attention - Uhuru struggles - are not Ruto struggles.
Areas where Uhuru struggle - dont think Ruto will by default also struggle.
Uhuru came with his own baggage - a kenyatta, a kikuyu, seeking to replace another kikuyu, who betrayed Luhyas and kambas in the lead up to 2013 running against a Luo but unlikely backed by Kalenjin who were enemies in 2007(that summary of 2013-2017 dynamic).
Ruto has no such baggage amongst kamba & Luhyas.
MaDVD clearly captured it - your enemies are not our enemies.
But Ruto has baggage amongst Kikuyus like you - he is a kalenjin, remind them of Moi and PEV.

So moron please understand issues. EVERY ELECTION HAS ITS DYNAMICS.

Dont go fishing old scenarios and apply them without THINKING. It not copy-paste exercise. You need to think and understand the issues at play.

Ruto will struggle in GEMA & Gusii compared to Uhuru. THAT IS A FACT. He is going to drop many votes amongst especially Kikuyus and Gusii who are embittered about PEV and also fearful of the return of Moi or kalenjin regime. You're perfect example of those. It doesnt extend much to Merus & Embus because generally they were in KANU.

Ruto will DO BETTER THAN UHURU IN ELSEWHERE INCLUDING LUO NYANZA. While UHuru got 1 percent in Luo Nyanza - I have Ruto at 5 percent in there - because Luos admire Ruto - only that Raila is runing. They dont see him as enemy like they saw Uhuru and Kibaki - they see him as rival.

NONSENSE

Everybody knows Kalonzo was non committal on 2010 referendum.

If Ruto had Ukambani support,He would have delivered Ukambani votes in 2013,2017 elections or the recent machakos senatorial vote in 2021 by election

On that note,don't tell us any kambas voted jubilee,Those pockets of ukambani votes are kikuyu diaspora.

[Githunguri]

Ruto was not running for PORK in 2013 & 2017.
If you paid attention - Uhuru struggles - are not Ruto struggles.
Areas where Uhuru struggle - dont think Ruto will by default also struggle.
Uhuru came with his own baggage - a kenyatta, a kikuyu, seeking to replace another kikuyu, who betrayed Luhyas and kambas in the lead up to 2013 running against a Luo but unlikely backed by Kalenjin who were enemies in 2007(that summary of 2013-2017 dynamic).
Ruto has no such baggage amongst kamba & Luhyas.
MaDVD clearly captured it - your enemies are not our enemies.
But Ruto has baggage amongst Kikuyus like you - he is a kalenjin, remind them of Moi and PEV.

So moron please understand issues. EVERY ELECTION HAS ITS DYNAMICS.

Dont go fishing old scenarios and apply them without THINKING. It not copy-paste exercise. You need to think and understand the issues at play.

Ruto will struggle in GEMA & Gusii compared to Uhuru. THAT IS A FACT. He is going to drop many votes amongst especially Kikuyus and Gusii who are embittered about PEV and also fearful of the return of Moi or kalenjin regime. You're perfect example of those. It doesnt extend much to Merus & Embus because generally they were in KANU.

Ruto will DO BETTER THAN UHURU IN ELSEWHERE INCLUDING LUO NYANZA. While UHuru got 1 percent in Luo Nyanza - I have Ruto at 5 percent in there - because Luos admire Ruto - only that Raila is runing. They dont see him as enemy like they saw Uhuru and Kibaki - they see him as rival.

NONSENSE

Everybody knows Kalonzo was non committal on 2010 referendum.

If Ruto had Ukambani support,He would have delivered Ukambani votes in 2013,2017 elections or the recent machakos senatorial vote in 2021 by election

On that note,don't tell us any kambas voted jubilee,Those pockets of ukambani votes are kikuyu diaspora.

I havent read ALL THAT GARBAGE.

The only keyword is every election has dynamics.

The dynamic in this election is simple to the Kamba Luhya Luo Coasterian that for the last 60 years the presidency has been rotating between kikuyu and Kalenjin and Ruto will be beaten to pulp with his divided GEMA.

A divided GEMA vote and united Rift valley like in 1992 1997 2002 can only give you 36% like Moi.It ends there.

[RV Pundit]

Elections are defined by populist propaganda that drives the narrative.
Ruto is an expert in this - the best ever - followed by old Raila.
In 2013 - Ruto helped sold a Kenyatta who was inheriting a fellow kikuyu while both were indicted by ICC.
The propaganda of two tribes is very mild compared to that.
Ruto has re-defined the narrative to be about three families excluding millions of poor kenyans.
That hustler-dynasty narrative is what is selling...it's the engine driving Ruto to PORK.
I dont know when Raika will re-launch two tribes propaganda - when they are also courting GEMA or Kikuyu.
It sounds like they Azimio cannot run with it - GEMA will find it offensive - for it they accept they will not see power this century.
Therefore the way I see - Raila is running on empty.
Empty thing called UNITY or UMOJA

Maybe post running mate - if he select Kalonzo and write off GEMA - he can re-launch the propaganda that has failed twice now in 2013/2017.

NONSENSE

Everybody knows Kalonzo was non committal on 2010 referendum.

If Ruto had Ukambani support,He would have delivered Ukambani votes in 2013,2017 elections or the recent machakos senatorial vote in 2021 by election

On that note,don't tell us any kambas voted jubilee,Those pockets of ukambani votes are kikuyu diaspora.