What was coup about?

[Nefertiti]

Yes ODM was NDP + Kanu. And now Mobutu after 15 years struggle to undo trojan 1 - Baba has pulled the rug from under his feet using trojan 2 aka Handshake.

Mobutu strategy is counterintuitive: 2002 Raila only took off with Mijikenda and Luhya. Kalenjin, MATUSA, NFD only canoodled with ODM about 3 years on their way from Kanu to URP. Mijikenda is different animal - little in common with URP pastoralists. Non-GEMA is very diverse house that was easy to unite as 41 vs 1. Without GEMA boogyman Mobutu has nothing to offer them. Same question you pose about Mt Kenya: why should Mijikenda leave Raila for Mobutu?

GEMA the big problem is Prince Uhuru; then Mobutu is not Gema yet it took him whole 10 years to take over RV after Moi. It very tough journey to craft all-fitting safina that URP, Gema, Luhya, Mijikenda can fit - amorphous hustler movement is very tough sell as BBI anti-thesis. You seem to ignore the essence of BBI as credible power-sharing formula. It tribe vs class any way you slice and dice it.

Ruto has won all the by-elections he has wanted except for Kibra - where Raila employed violence. He won Baringo and Wajir. These by-elections are not such a big deal. Technically Ruto and Jubilee members will remain in Jubilee until 2022. But they already move out to Hustler Nation movement. These are just the motions of a divorce.

Jubilee was only important to tightly couple with GEMA. It's achieved that objective.

ODM is NDP that tightly coupled with KANU.

Raila lost KANU nomination to Uhuru, quit KANU but he got KANU constituency that he has been bragging all over town with it.

You don't understand POLITICS.

Once you're tightly coupled - it not easy to divorce - and that is the whole idea of Jubilee - GEMA nations have exchanged fluids with Ruto - and will not abandon him for someone like Raila.

It won't be easy to de-couple Ruto from GEMA - GEMA only know about jubilee - hiyo TNA/URP long forgotten.

And it's not a spin - because it was I told you in 2016.

He had full control of URP and Tangatanga would legally field candidates. Now with political parties act it back to UDM troubles. See the conundrum in swing turf like Msambweni where he is testing the waters - backing independent candidate is dicy - cause they are not really a brand. If he backs local party - the owners can later disown him if they become popular. It a nightmare situation - he still clings to Uhurutopia and heap all blame on Murathe or Tuju - with his own upstart he must face Uhuru squarely. This is a scary thought - it easier to spin about massive ground support without any proof. And cry Huduma is for rigging him.

[RV Pundit]

I think BBI is officially dead; Killed by Corona. I doubt anybody can tell kenyans that our priority is to amend the constitution when kids have not been in school for a year, millions have lost jobs and the global economy is suffering. Start thinking of working with what we have. If they bring BBI - it will be shot down so spectacularly.

In any case we already in October - and BBI still gathering dust. BBI made sense in 2018 - when NASA was grumbling and had boycott election - otherwise right now the only BBI or handshake that can be done is btw Uhuru and Ruto. Raila is taken care of - really no need for katiba change - if you trust Raila - let him become PORK and ammend Katiba together with 2022 election.

Otherwise if you want revolution now - bring BBI. You can buy time till 2022 but if you play around with Kenyans - you'll get kibaki kind of treatment.

Raila your horse is dead, tired and kaput. Ruto is the new deal. The new Raila.

Yes ODM was NDP + Kanu. And now Mobutu after 15 years struggle to undo trojan 1 - Baba has pulled the rug from under his feet using trojan 2 aka Handshake.

Mobutu strategy is counterintuitive: 2002 Raila only took off with Mijikenda and Luhya. Kalenjin, MATUSA, NFD only canoodled with ODM about 3 years on their way from Kanu to URP. Mijikenda is different animal - little in common with URP pastoralists. Non-GEMA is very diverse house that was easy to unite as 41 vs 1. Without GEMA boogyman Mobutu has nothing to offer them.

GEMA the big problem is Prince Uhuru; then Mobutu is not Gema yet it took him whole 10 years to take over RV after Moi. It very tough journey to craft all-fitting safina that URP, Gema, Luhya, Mijikenda can fit - amorphous hustler movement is very tough sell as BBI anti-thesis. You seem to ignore the essence of BBI as credible power-sharing formula. It tribe vs class any way you slice and dice it.

[Nefertiti]

Referendum is dead yes - but BBI is Raila 2022 Manifesto. It include 1/3 gender, 35% devolution, PM and name it. That why everyone is positioning for a piece if it in Handshake tent. Only upstarts and pawns back Mobutu. That what tribe vs class is: Mobutu unlike you has seen the trap and resorted to hustler nation. His small problem is converting the "ground" lie into numbers. Msambaweni is a good place to start. Mobutu will buy off ODM crew as usual - like in Wajir he bought off 2 ODM guys and was left with Kanu. This nonsense he calls ground support. Problem is he cannot outdo PORK in ukora - after spending gazilion handouts in Kibra - you were here lamenting how ODM had fortified the ground for years. If you play clean game - Mobutu would have nothing since he use loot which you call chess. Most of the mlolongo MPs and Khalwales following him for handouts - Uhuru merely use DCI or KRA to balance the equation. You have not seen any machinery Moi-style.

You will have NARC lineup in BBI - which is bankable compared to hustler. Of course you can always prove us wrong by routing ODM in Msambaweni. Already you see Mobutu ukora of buying out ODM folk - Feisal Bader and the Mariam lady at Pangani. He will spend some truckloads of loot then cry in the toilet on D-Day. There was no uprising in Kibra over the Luo goons since there was never any genuine Mariga support in the first place - just well-fed slumdwellers who couldn't care less about Mobutu.

I think BBI is officially dead; Killed by Corona. I doubt anybody can tell kenyans that our priority is to amend the constitution when kids have not been in school for a year, millions have lost jobs and the global economy is suffering. Start thinking of working with what we have. If they bring BBI - it will be shot down so spectacularly.

In any case we already in October - and BBI still gathering dust. BBI made sense in 2018 - when NASA was grumbling and had boycott election - otherwise right now the only BBI or handshake that can be done is btw Uhuru and Ruto. Raila is taken care of - really no need for katiba change - if you trust Raila - let him become PORK and ammend Katiba together with 2022 election.

Otherwise if you want revolution now - bring BBI. You can buy time till 2022 but if you play around with Kenyans - you'll get kibaki kind of treatment.

Raila your horse is dead, tired and kaput. Ruto is the new deal. The new Raila.

Yes ODM was NDP + Kanu. And now Mobutu after 15 years struggle to undo trojan 1 - Baba has pulled the rug from under his feet using trojan 2 aka Handshake.

Mobutu strategy is counterintuitive: 2002 Raila only took off with Mijikenda and Luhya. Kalenjin, MATUSA, NFD only canoodled with ODM about 3 years on their way from Kanu to URP. Mijikenda is different animal - little in common with URP pastoralists. Non-GEMA is very diverse house that was easy to unite as 41 vs 1. Without GEMA boogyman Mobutu has nothing to offer them.

GEMA the big problem is Prince Uhuru; then Mobutu is not Gema yet it took him whole 10 years to take over RV after Moi. It very tough journey to craft all-fitting safina that URP, Gema, Luhya, Mijikenda can fit - amorphous hustler movement is very tough sell as BBI anti-thesis. You seem to ignore the essence of BBI as credible power-sharing formula. It tribe vs class any way you slice and dice it.

[RV Pundit]

That would be awesome. Raila has trusted GEMA before and they kicked his teeth the 2nd day. Now it time for them to trust him with BBI.

Obviously you're smoking something illegal. Please read what you post. Sometimes.

Referendum is dead yes - but BBI is Raila 2022 Manifesto. It include 1/3 gender, 35% devolution, PM and name it. That why everyone is positioning for a piece if it in Handshake tent. Only upstarts and pawns back Mobutu. That what tribe vs class is: Mobutu unlike you has seen the trap and resorted to hustler nation. His small problem is converting the "ground" lie into numbers. Msambaweni is a good place to start. Mobutu will buy off ODM crew as usual - like in Wajir he bought off 2 ODM guys and was left with Kanu. This nonsense he calls ground support. Problem is he cannot outdo PORK in ukora - after spending gazilion handouts in Kibra - you were here lamenting how ODM had fortified the ground for years. If you play clean game - Mobutu would have nothing since he use loot which you call chess. Most of the mlolongo MPs and Khalwales following him for handouts - Uhuru merely use DCI or KRA to balance the equation. You have not seen any machinery Moi-style.

You will have NARC lineup in BBI - which is bankable compared to hustler. Of course you can always prove us wrong by routing ODM in Msambaweni. Already you see Mobutu ukora of buying out ODM folk - Feisal Bader and the Mariam lady at Pangani. He will spend some truckloads of loot then cry in the toilet on D-Day. There was no uprising in Kibra over the Luo goons since there was never any genuine Mariga support in the first place - just well-fed slumdwellers who couldn't care less about Mobutu.

I think BBI is officially dead; Killed by Corona. I doubt anybody can tell kenyans that our priority is to amend the constitution when kids have not been in school for a year, millions have lost jobs and the global economy is suffering. Start thinking of working with what we have. If they bring BBI - it will be shot down so spectacularly.

In any case we already in October - and BBI still gathering dust. BBI made sense in 2018 - when NASA was grumbling and had boycott election - otherwise right now the only BBI or handshake that can be done is btw Uhuru and Ruto. Raila is taken care of - really no need for katiba change - if you trust Raila - let him become PORK and ammend Katiba together with 2022 election.

Otherwise if you want revolution now - bring BBI. You can buy time till 2022 but if you play around with Kenyans - you'll get kibaki kind of treatment.

Raila your horse is dead, tired and kaput. Ruto is the new deal. The new Raila.

Yes ODM was NDP + Kanu. And now Mobutu after 15 years struggle to undo trojan 1 - Baba has pulled the rug from under his feet using trojan 2 aka Handshake.

Mobutu strategy is counterintuitive: 2002 Raila only took off with Mijikenda and Luhya. Kalenjin, MATUSA, NFD only canoodled with ODM about 3 years on their way from Kanu to URP. Mijikenda is different animal - little in common with URP pastoralists. Non-GEMA is very diverse house that was easy to unite as 41 vs 1. Without GEMA boogyman Mobutu has nothing to offer them.

GEMA the big problem is Prince Uhuru; then Mobutu is not Gema yet it took him whole 10 years to take over RV after Moi. It very tough journey to craft all-fitting safina that URP, Gema, Luhya, Mijikenda can fit - amorphous hustler movement is very tough sell as BBI anti-thesis. You seem to ignore the essence of BBI as credible power-sharing formula. It tribe vs class any way you slice and dice it.

[Nefertiti]

You've called me worse since I slice & diced Mobutu miracles, hustler, "ground" and China model nonsense.

Tribe vs Class is loading.

Voter bribery vs machinery - hehe - Kibra was dry-run. Mariga and Owallo have ganged up there and nobody is bothered. Let see Msambaweni first - my estimation is Mobutu dog Feisal Bader should clean the floor with Boga - 70% are dirt-poor. Hustler MOAS.

That would be awesome. Raila has trusted GEMA before and they kicked his teeth the 2nd day. Now it time for them to trust him with BBI.

Obviously you're smoking something illegal. Please read what you post. Sometimes.

Referendum is dead yes - but BBI is Raila 2022 Manifesto. It include 1/3 gender, 35% devolution, PM and name it. That why everyone is positioning for a piece if it in Handshake tent. Only upstarts and pawns back Mobutu. That what tribe vs class is: Mobutu unlike you has seen the trap and resorted to hustler nation. His small problem is converting the "ground" lie into numbers. Msambaweni is a good place to start. Mobutu will buy off ODM crew as usual - like in Wajir he bought off 2 ODM guys and was left with Kanu. This nonsense he calls ground support. Problem is he cannot outdo PORK in ukora - after spending gazilion handouts in Kibra - you were here lamenting how ODM had fortified the ground for years. If you play clean game - Mobutu would have nothing since he use loot which you call chess. Most of the mlolongo MPs and Khalwales following him for handouts - Uhuru merely use DCI or KRA to balance the equation. You have not seen any machinery Moi-style.

You will have NARC lineup in BBI - which is bankable compared to hustler. Of course you can always prove us wrong by routing ODM in Msambaweni. Already you see Mobutu ukora of buying out ODM folk - Feisal Bader and the Mariam lady at Pangani. He will spend some truckloads of loot then cry in the toilet on D-Day. There was no uprising in Kibra over the Luo goons since there was never any genuine Mariga support in the first place - just well-fed slumdwellers who couldn't care less about Mobutu.

I think BBI is officially dead; Killed by Corona. I doubt anybody can tell kenyans that our priority is to amend the constitution when kids have not been in school for a year, millions have lost jobs and the global economy is suffering. Start thinking of working with what we have. If they bring BBI - it will be shot down so spectacularly.

In any case we already in October - and BBI still gathering dust. BBI made sense in 2018 - when NASA was grumbling and had boycott election - otherwise right now the only BBI or handshake that can be done is btw Uhuru and Ruto. Raila is taken care of - really no need for katiba change - if you trust Raila - let him become PORK and ammend Katiba together with 2022 election.

Otherwise if you want revolution now - bring BBI. You can buy time till 2022 but if you play around with Kenyans - you'll get kibaki kind of treatment.

Raila your horse is dead, tired and kaput. Ruto is the new deal. The new Raila.

Yes ODM was NDP + Kanu. And now Mobutu after 15 years struggle to undo trojan 1 - Baba has pulled the rug from under his feet using trojan 2 aka Handshake.

Mobutu strategy is counterintuitive: 2002 Raila only took off with Mijikenda and Luhya. Kalenjin, MATUSA, NFD only canoodled with ODM about 3 years on their way from Kanu to URP. Mijikenda is different animal - little in common with URP pastoralists. Non-GEMA is very diverse house that was easy to unite as 41 vs 1. Without GEMA boogyman Mobutu has nothing to offer them.

GEMA the big problem is Prince Uhuru; then Mobutu is not Gema yet it took him whole 10 years to take over RV after Moi. It very tough journey to craft all-fitting safina that URP, Gema, Luhya, Mijikenda can fit - amorphous hustler movement is very tough sell as BBI anti-thesis. You seem to ignore the essence of BBI as credible power-sharing formula. It tribe vs class any way you slice and dice it.

[RV Pundit]

I don't recall anything mildly remarkable you've ever told me. Your sound like you are learning politics on the go. I am always helping you - but you turn around - and try to school the master.

Ruto is nailing both the tribes and class divide. This will be 2002 Narc Revolution. It will be duped THE HUSTLER NATION REVOLUTION. 65% is loading. I don't have to repeat daily but I see Ruto sweeping RV  (including Kikuyu diaspora) nearly 25% - as a huge start- taking 7% or more from western. Taking most if not all of pastoralist from Tana River to Moyale - that another 5%. We are already at 40% before we get to Nairobi,Coast, Eastern and Central. If Ruto sweep half of central, eastern and Nairobi -we will be past 70%. I am not even going to bother with Nyanza - although Ruto could score a lot of Gusii-Kuria - and even some Luos.

Just wait for Ruto-Kiunjuri to be sworn in statehouse....otherwise if for last 3yrs the BBI crew have not scored -- they cannot score now - as they become more desperate, more lameduck, more powerless- and as kenyans will become more bold, more daring and more impatient.

You've called me worse since I slice & diced Mobutu miracles, hustler, "ground" and China model nonsense.

Tribe vs Class is loading.

Voter bribery vs machinery - hehe - Kibra was dry-run. Mariga and Owallo have ganged up there and nobody is bothered. Let see Msambaweni first - my estimation is Mobutu dog Feisal Bader should clean the floor with Boga - 70% are dirt-poor. Hustler MOAS.

[Nefertiti]

That hustler MOAS of 65% - let see it in dirt-poor Msambaweni. Spin vs reality was already tested in Kibra and Ganda with well known outcome. Imran 65% vs 25% Mariga just change colum labels on that excel Mere 2 months no need to wait 2 years.

[RV Pundit]

Ruto is improving 55% jubilee by playing in Kibra and Coast..and many areas in NASA zones. You're too thick-headed to see.

Meanwhile do you really think there is a Jubilee member who will vote ODM - Mt Kenya and line up for Raila

Please as you're busy hallucinating - Ruto is sleep walking to PORK - first by cannibalizing NASA - and 2nd by making sure Jubilee remain ASILI.

By estimation is that by time Ruto is done with NASA - Raila will be left with 15-20%, maDVD 3% and Kalonzo 3%. About 20% combined . Maybe Matiangi and others will take 10% from Jubilee.

Now ask yourself - Ruto will have 20-25% of NASA.

That hustler MOAS of 65% - let see it in dirt-poor Msambaweni. Spin vs reality was already tested in Kibra and Ganda with well known outcome. Imran 65% vs 25% Mariga just change colum labels on that excel Mere 2 months no need to wait 2 years.

[Nefertiti]

As the saying goes: if wishes were horses... all beggars could ride that grand thoroughbred stallion.