Author Topic: New opinion poll - Ruto leading at 30% with Raila trailing him at 17%  (Read 3535 times)

Offline RV Pundit

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According to the Intel Research Solutions Ruto is the most favorable candidate among many others put in the category. In the same category were Former Prime Minister of Kenya Raila Amollo Odinga, ANC's party leader Musalia Mudavadi, Baringo Senator and KANU's party leader Gideon Moi, Wiper's party leader Kalonzo Musyoka and the Machakos County Governor Alfred Mutua.

William Ruto led the poll with a 30%, followed by Raila Odinga with 17% then Alfred Mutua who had 8%, Musalia Mudavadi at 7%, Gideon Moi and Kalonzo Musyoka both tying at 6%.

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Good news for Ruto camp but it's too early. Any breakdown on these numbers. I.e men support? Women support? Youth? Household incomes? Tribe or region? Etcetera

Why is Kibutha kibwana not in that mix?

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It's drop from 40% last year but still early. Ruto pork will be decided in Mt Kenya.
Good news for Ruto camp but it's too early. Any breakdown on these numbers. I.e men support? Women support? Youth? Household incomes? Tribe or region? Etcetera

Why is Kibutha kibwana not in that mix?

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Good news for you. He needs 25 percent to have a rigging proof margin

Offline Njuri Ncheke

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I don't trust opinion polls as they are guns for hire. However this one is close to reality but have watered down ruto numbers. We always tell Odomos that the reality on ground is different these past 2 weeks been in nyandarua and laikipia. I haven't come across a single baba supporter it's all Ruto. Gatheca knows this but he would want baba to believe otherwise.

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Good news for you. He needs 25 percent to have a rigging proof margin
We wont allow it to go there,the rigging system will be fought before kura,we are not  naive like baba thinking you can go for kura with a rigged system and win. Mistake baba did was to participate in rigged system. Should we realise its rigged we will simply boycott kura and shove it in Gatheca AH and create conditions for civil unrest. In short we will up the ante before kura not after

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Does this matter? Anyway Mr Chirchir might need it to adjust his figures
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Some with these Characters like Chirchir or Chiloba should be put out misery as soon as the pull this kind of heist. Surprise these characters are out there still beating their chest.  Tombstone indicating here lived an election thief would be more appropriate.
Does this matter? Anyway Mr Chirchir might need it to adjust his figures

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Kikuyus are the last people to cause civil unrest. Where will the mama mbogas get their customers? Traders can hardly go on strike.
The same system that was used to rig the 2013 and 2017 elections is still intact. The question is who will control the servers. Your guess is as good as mine.

We wont allow it to go there,the rigging system will be fought before kura,we are not  naive like baba thinking you can go for kura with a rigged system and win. Mistake baba did was to participate in rigged system. Should we realise its rigged we will simply boycott kura and shove it in Gatheca AH and create conditions for civil unrest. In short we will up the ante before kura not after

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I will control the servers :) :) according to Patel. Elections are not in the server :). We do manual elections. Elections results are distributed across all the polling stations, pin on the walls, and copies given to each agent.

Rigging of any serious scale ended when polling stations were capped at max of 500 voters - and polling stations made the final result point.

So if you attempt to pull rigging now - you will be outed. Imagine manipulating 50,000 polling stations - you'd leave trail of evidence ending in Germany.

Kikuyus are the last people to cause civil unrest. Where will the mama mbogas get their customers? Traders can hardly go on strike.
The same system that was used to rig the 2013 and 2017 elections is still intact. The question is who will control the servers. Your guess is as good as mine.

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Re: New opinion poll - Ruto leading at 30% with Raila trailing him at 17%
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2020, 02:05:29 PM »
I will control the servers :) :) according to Patel. Elections are not in the server :). We do manual elections. Elections results are distributed across all the polling stations, pin on the walls, and copies given to each agent.

Rigging of any serious scale ended when polling stations were capped at max of 500 voters - and polling stations made the final result point.

So if you attempt to pull rigging now - you will be outed. Imagine manipulating 50,000 polling stations - you'd leave trail of evidence ending in Germany.

Kikuyus are the last people to cause civil unrest. Where will the mama mbogas get their customers? Traders can hardly go on strike.
The same system that was used to rig the 2013 and 2017 elections is still intact. The question is who will control the servers. Your guess is as good as mine.

Leave alone manupilating - ODM couldn't bankroll  poll agents in those polling station - Rigging was made expensive after Kriegler report . The lie doing rounds in ODM circles is that they now have access to the system and will be able to manipulate the server -
ODM in 2013 and 2017 were beaten because the miscalculated , In 2013 They thought by replacing Ruto with Kalonzo it will even out Rutos numbers , In 2017 they though by bagging Mudavadi , they would get 100% of Luhya Votes how wrong they were in both cases its the left out groupings which made Jubilee to win  - The Kisii Nyanza and North Eastern

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Re: New opinion poll - Ruto leading at 30% with Raila trailing him at 17%
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2020, 02:44:09 PM »
Yes, Kibaki or Moi manipulation was easy, because const tally are huge; you can pull a tharaka nithi easily; but now every polling station is a final tallying center; to pull Tharaka Nithi; you need to influence or rig many polling stations; because it's capped at 500 votes.

Yes, parties just need to invest in serious polling agents and evidence collections, considering SUPKEM have shown they can annual it.

Raila had no game - that is why he boycotted the repeat.

Leave alone manupilating - ODM couldn't bankroll  poll agents in those polling station - Rigging was made expensive after Kriegler report . The lie doing rounds in ODM circles is that they now have access to the system and will be able to manipulate the server -
ODM in 2013 and 2017 were beaten because the miscalculated , In 2013 They thought by replacing Ruto with Kalonzo it will even out Rutos numbers , In 2017 they though by bagging Mudavadi , they would get 100% of Luhya Votes how wrong they were in both cases its the left out groupings which made Jubilee to win  - The Kisii Nyanza and North Eastern