SGR is illegal declares courts; Pundit should continue paying for this illegal

[KenyanPlato]

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Thing.. Kweli Jubilee is useless.. they have made contracts that cannot even survive Gikomba market. Macbangi created an illegal project and funded it with chino money.. Chino should now occupy or write off the mudebt

[Kadudu]

This is what happens when the people signing the documentshave their eyes only on their cut in the deal. SGR was a con from day one and thenext 3 generations will pay for this white elephant. Most likely the extension to Kisumu will be made in 50 years.

Thing.. Kweli Jubilee is useless.. they have made contracts that cannot even survive Gikomba market. Macbangi created an illegal project and funded it with chino money.. Chino should now occupy or write off the mudebt

[RV Pundit]

We paid Angloleasing. International contracts do not care about local laws and ruling.

[Nowayhaha]

This is what happens when the people signing the documentshave their eyes only on their cut in the deal. SGR was a con from day one and thenext 3 generations will pay for this white elephant. Most likely the extension to Kisumu will be made in 50 years.

Thing.. Kweli Jubilee is useless.. they have made contracts that cannot even survive Gikomba market. Macbangi created an illegal project and funded it with chino money.. Chino should now occupy or write off the mudebt

SGR by itself was a noble idea and a good project.However it cost more than its value. Hence the reason for Macharia to run to Muranga Mps when he heard he was going to be impeached. For me Im very curious who the real owners of the Wagons and Locomotives are. Kenya Railways need to disclose this information. Hopefully during Macharia impeachment ,this information will come out.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

SGR by itself was a noble idea and a good project.However it cost more than its value. Hence the reason for Macharia to run to Muranga Mps when he heard he was going to be impeached. For me Im very curious who the real owners of the Wagons and Locomotives are. Kenya Railways need to disclose this information. Hopefully during Macharia impeachment ,this information will come out.

Bunk! SGR is a project conceived by CCP in conjunction with Kikuyu cabal in power to suck Kenya dry, I won't describe it as noble. You need your head checked. It doesn't make sense infra-structurally either, trains are last century's technology.

[KenyanPlato]

SGR by itself was a noble idea and a good project.However it cost more than its value. Hence the reason for Macharia to run to Muranga Mps when he heard he was going to be impeached. For me Im very curious who the real owners of the Wagons and Locomotives are. Kenya Railways need to disclose this information. Hopefully during Macharia impeachment ,this information will come out.

Bunk! SGR is a project conceived by CCP in conjunction with Kikuyu cabal in power to suck Kenya dry, I won't describe it as noble. You need your head checked. It doesn't make sense infra-structurally either, trains are last century's technology.

Tell this Savant. Unless you are transporting minerals and oil there is no need for railway. Those old diesel wagons are already breaking down

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Tell this Savant. Unless you are transporting minerals and oil there is no need for railway. Those old diesel wagons are already breaking down

I blame nutritional deficiencies in the diet in conjunction with a flawed curriculum for the lack of critical thinking and small mindedness among Kenyans. Dear leader comes up with hare brained scheme they all bleat the same nonsensical messages on cue.

[RV Pundit]

Yes, Railway is great for non-conventional heavy cargo, and we will eventually get there. When old MGR was built in 1900; the British were thinking long term. Let stop this tunnel vision and start thinking 50-100yrs from now. Wanjohi will be gone in 2yrs but his SGR legacy will live for a long time..even though we will repay the loan for such a long time.

Tell this Savant. Unless you are transporting minerals and oil there is no need for railway. Those old diesel wagons are already breaking down

[Nowayhaha]

Yes, Railway is great for non-conventional heavy cargo, and we will eventually get there. When old MGR was built in 1900; the British were thinking long term. Let stop this tunnel vision and start thinking 50-100yrs from now. Wanjohi will be gone in 2yrs but his SGR legacy will live for a long time..even though we will repay the loan for such a long time.

Tell this Savant. Unless you are transporting minerals and oil there is no need for railway. Those old diesel wagons are already breaking down

Pundit
Was  there need to even reply to these guys who are saying "trains are last century's technology." & "Unless you are transporting minerals and oil there is no need for railway."

Below is a sneak preiview of the benefits .In as much as there was curruption in SGR  , the railway system will  have an development   impact on the region economically  &  socially 

https://www.constructionkenya.com/3383/benefits-sgr-kenya/

The Kenya standard gauge railway (SGR) is the largest transport infrastructure project in the country since independence.

The facility is designed to enhance transport operations in the country and beyond in a bid to boost development and economic growth in line with the Kenya Vision 2030.

Phase one of the project extending from Mombasa-Nairobi was completed in May 2017 and is now fully operational with 14 freight and 4 passenger trains.

At 14 cargo trains, the Nairobi-Mombasa SGR has already hit its 2025 container transportation target as per its original design plan. This means it has achieved its eight-year target in one year – which is quite an impressive accomplishment.

With such success, positive impact of the SGR on the Kenyan economy are likely to be felt soon and its objective to grow the country’s GDP by 1.5 per cent might be realised earlier than expected.

Here are key benefits of the SGR to the Kenyan economy:

1.) Job creation

Top on the list of positive effects of the SGR project to the economy is job creation.

From individuals employed in the construction sector, to the 2,285 staff from diverse professional backgrounds working at the 33 stations and in the passenger and cargo rolling stock, the project has generated numerous job opportunities.

Furthermore, there is indirect job creation through entrepreneurship opportunities posed by the need for goods and services by SGR employees and passengers including catering, and entertainment among many others. Spending by these employees is set to create ‘income effects’ on the economy.

2.) Increased industrialisation

Immense opportunities for construction related industries have arisen as demand for materials such as cement, steel, stone, aggregates and glass required for construction of the line and stations increases.

With ease of transporting goods and increased markets due to a new network of trading routes, more manufacturing and processing plants in other sectors such as agriculture, forestry, fishing and mining will naturally crop up.

3.) Reduced cost of doing business

Currently, the costs of transport for imported and exported goods in East Africa accounts for 40% of total cargo charges.

With the new railway line, transport costs have dropped significantly owing to economies of scale since a single train has the capacity to haul 216 20-foot containers in a single trip, which would otherwise require the engagement of 108 trucks.

Besides, travel time has reduced while accidents and cargo pilferage common in road transport has been eliminated all which translate to lower cost of doing business.

RELATED: Negative effects of SGR on the Kenyan economy

4.) Urbanisation along its route

Just as the arrival of the lunatic express resulted in the mushrooming of urban centers, a major impact of the SGR on the Kenyan economy will be the emergence of trading centers at all its 33 stations as well as reinvigoration of economic activities in already existent towns.

With Kenya’s economy being market based, the emergence of these centers will boost growth in its key sectors including agriculture, manufacturing, tourism and financial services.

5.) Improved tourism opportunities

Tourism is a major contributor to the country’s GDP and the fruition of the SGR could not be more opportune, coming at a time when international arrivals have dwindled due to security concerns.

The coast region is the most popular destination for local tourists but challenges associated with road travel have been a major hindrance to the realisation of full domestic tourism potential.

The entry of a low cost, comfortable, fast and safe mode of transport to Mombasa coupled with the breathtaking scenery along its route especially the stretch that traverses the Tsavo National Park, home to a wide variety of wild animals, has boosted the number of domestic and international tourists visiting the region.

6.) Improved regional trade

Kenya neighbours three landlocked countries – Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi – and fast clearance at the Mombasa port, reduced transport cost, faster delivery of goods will make the country the preferred entry point and export route for these nations thus positively affecting the economy.

7.) Reduction of road maintenance cost

The heavy weight of trucks has been a major contributor to the wear and tear of roads across the country especially considering that 95% of all cargo moves by road with over 1600 heavy load trucks plying the Mombasa-Malaba route.

This means roads are in constant need of maintenance at exorbitant costs. With SGR set to take over, freight haul trucks will be phased out of the roads thus enhancing their longevity.

Concisely, effects of the SGR on the economy during and after development are numerous and a gleaming symbol of progress towards achievement of vision 2030 goals.

[RV Pundit]

Precisely. Even if Wanjohi thanked himself with 30-50B kshs - I think the benefits of this rail - will outlast all of us here. Minning will not develop without a rail and now that we have rail - it soon may make sense to transport iron ore from congo to kenya for smelting - or name any such things.

I see for example the train from Naivasha to Nairobi is probably returning empty - yet everyday there are more than a thousand trucks descending to Suswa to collect sand. If someone can arrange with KR - they could easily transport tonnes of sand - and have it delivered to Mlolongo sand ground - and make a lot of money.

Yes, Railway is great for non-conventional heavy cargo, and we will eventually get there. When old MGR was built in 1900; the British were thinking long term. Let stop this tunnel vision and start thinking 50-100yrs from now. Wanjohi will be gone in 2yrs but his SGR legacy will live for a long time..even though we will repay the loan for such a long time.

Tell this Savant. Unless you are transporting minerals and oil there is no need for railway. Those old diesel wagons are already breaking down

Pundit
Was  there need to even reply to these guys who are saying "trains are last century's technology." & "Unless you are transporting minerals and oil there is no need for railway."

Below is a sneak preiview of the benefits .In as much as there was curruption in SGR  , the railway system will  have an development   impact on the region economically  &  socially 

https://www.constructionkenya.com/3383/benefits-sgr-kenya/

The Kenya standard gauge railway (SGR) is the largest transport infrastructure project in the country since independence.

The facility is designed to enhance transport operations in the country and beyond in a bid to boost development and economic growth in line with the Kenya Vision 2030.

Phase one of the project extending from Mombasa-Nairobi was completed in May 2017 and is now fully operational with 14 freight and 4 passenger trains.

At 14 cargo trains, the Nairobi-Mombasa SGR has already hit its 2025 container transportation target as per its original design plan. This means it has achieved its eight-year target in one year – which is quite an impressive accomplishment.

With such success, positive impact of the SGR on the Kenyan economy are likely to be felt soon and its objective to grow the country’s GDP by 1.5 per cent might be realised earlier than expected.

Here are key benefits of the SGR to the Kenyan economy:

1.) Job creation

Top on the list of positive effects of the SGR project to the economy is job creation.

From individuals employed in the construction sector, to the 2,285 staff from diverse professional backgrounds working at the 33 stations and in the passenger and cargo rolling stock, the project has generated numerous job opportunities.

Furthermore, there is indirect job creation through entrepreneurship opportunities posed by the need for goods and services by SGR employees and passengers including catering, and entertainment among many others. Spending by these employees is set to create ‘income effects’ on the economy.

2.) Increased industrialisation

Immense opportunities for construction related industries have arisen as demand for materials such as cement, steel, stone, aggregates and glass required for construction of the line and stations increases.

With ease of transporting goods and increased markets due to a new network of trading routes, more manufacturing and processing plants in other sectors such as agriculture, forestry, fishing and mining will naturally crop up.

3.) Reduced cost of doing business

Currently, the costs of transport for imported and exported goods in East Africa accounts for 40% of total cargo charges.

With the new railway line, transport costs have dropped significantly owing to economies of scale since a single train has the capacity to haul 216 20-foot containers in a single trip, which would otherwise require the engagement of 108 trucks.

Besides, travel time has reduced while accidents and cargo pilferage common in road transport has been eliminated all which translate to lower cost of doing business.

RELATED: Negative effects of SGR on the Kenyan economy

4.) Urbanisation along its route

Just as the arrival of the lunatic express resulted in the mushrooming of urban centers, a major impact of the SGR on the Kenyan economy will be the emergence of trading centers at all its 33 stations as well as reinvigoration of economic activities in already existent towns.

With Kenya’s economy being market based, the emergence of these centers will boost growth in its key sectors including agriculture, manufacturing, tourism and financial services.

5.) Improved tourism opportunities

Tourism is a major contributor to the country’s GDP and the fruition of the SGR could not be more opportune, coming at a time when international arrivals have dwindled due to security concerns.

The coast region is the most popular destination for local tourists but challenges associated with road travel have been a major hindrance to the realisation of full domestic tourism potential.

The entry of a low cost, comfortable, fast and safe mode of transport to Mombasa coupled with the breathtaking scenery along its route especially the stretch that traverses the Tsavo National Park, home to a wide variety of wild animals, has boosted the number of domestic and international tourists visiting the region.

6.) Improved regional trade

Kenya neighbours three landlocked countries – Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi – and fast clearance at the Mombasa port, reduced transport cost, faster delivery of goods will make the country the preferred entry point and export route for these nations thus positively affecting the economy.

7.) Reduction of road maintenance cost

The heavy weight of trucks has been a major contributor to the wear and tear of roads across the country especially considering that 95% of all cargo moves by road with over 1600 heavy load trucks plying the Mombasa-Malaba route.

This means roads are in constant need of maintenance at exorbitant costs. With SGR set to take over, freight haul trucks will be phased out of the roads thus enhancing their longevity.

Concisely, effects of the SGR on the economy during and after development are numerous and a gleaming symbol of progress towards achievement of vision 2030 goals.

[Kichwa]

The kenyan judiciary are becoming jokers.  This case is moot and the courts should have refused to hear it.  Courts should never make decisions that are unenforceable.

Thing.. Kweli Jubilee is useless.. they have made contracts that cannot even survive Gikomba market. Macbangi created an illegal project and funded it with chino money.. Chino should now occupy or write off the mudebt

[RV Pundit]

Precisely. They had no jurisdictions to hear it. These are cases to be heard in London or ICJ in the Hague or such places where international arbitration is held.

The kenyan judiciary are becoming jokers.  This case is moot and the courts should have refused to hear it.  Courts should never make decisions that are unenforceable.

[mankind]

Precisely. They had no jurisdictions to hear it. These are cases to be heard in London or ICJ in the Hague or such places where international arbitration is held.

The kenyan judiciary are becoming jokers.  This case is moot and the courts should have refused to hear it.  Courts should never make decisions that are unenforceable.

  This is akin to Trump suing John Bolton not to publish his book when it was already out. On a serious note those who think railways are last century need to travel a bit. Today with SGR you can travel to mombasa from Nairobi a distance greater than from Boston to New York in about four hours. You travel to Europe and Asia and travel by rail is comparable to air travel in the US but way cheaper. And the last I checked we owe the Chinese about 530 billion shillings in a country that has a Gdp of over 10 trillion shillings , or about 10% of our total debt since independence. Who even remembers the noises a decade ago about Thika road being too expensive at 32 billion shillings? In ten years nobody will remember some 5 billion dollars.

[RV Pundit]

My friend who use to complain about thika road - those days when anti-kikuyu hating was in-thing - now says instead of SGR we should have done thika road. Now he has seen what thika road has done transformation wise.

They use to say how can use spend 40B is a lot of money for 40kms road. How can you spend 1B per km.

Personally, I don't conflate politics, with other issues.

  This is akin to Trump suing John Bolton not to publish his book when it was already out. On a serious note those who think railways are last century need to travel a bit. Today with SGR you can travel to mombasa from Nairobi a distance greater than from Boston to New York in about four hours. You travel to Europe and Asia and travel by rail is comparable to air travel in the US but way cheaper. And the last I checked we owe the Chinese about 530 billion shillings in a country that has a Gdp of over 10 trillion shillings , or about 10% of our total debt since independence. Who even remembers the noises a decade ago about Thika road being too expensive at 32 billion shillings? In ten years nobody will remember some 5 billion dollars.

[mankind]

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