Robina - What do you think of Mumbi daughter Waiguru

[Pragmatic]

It will be a disaster of enormous proportions if Waiguru were to be fronted in any way in the manner that she suggests in that transcript.... that she was to be a running mate of Baba, get the fck out of here (can't Mt. Kenya get someone better to offer?)! Or one of the two DPM's? A joke of our times.

The lady is a shameless thief. She is so blatant, it is unbelievable!

Finally to debunk any theory whatsoever, Uhuru is not at all interested and will not offer himself for any executive position after his term runs out in 2022. All the suggestion and noises to the contrary are just red herrings.

[Nefertiti]

Your usual whack reasoning. Sharing executive is inclusion and patriotic not stupidity. What Uhuru, Raila, Waiguru and the governors are doing will be remembered as a great selfless moment just as the Handshake. Only Ruto and his lurkies insist its their turn to eat... history won't be kind. He will be like the homeguards of the Mau Mau era.

That is Pajero theory. She has been consistent for 10yrs if I can recall. Respect her.

My theory is simple. Ruto kityo. GEMA will not risk 1M of their diaspora to please 1 or 2 men. They will not risk a working Jubilee that has stabilized the country for 10yrs to go back to the bush and hunt for two birds. They will do what every rational and logical person does. They know whatever arrangement it will be 50-50 or some form of power sharing. Waiguru want to make it 30-30-20-10-5 by adding more position. That is stupidity.

Ruto is offering them best deal - 50-50 - sure bet - a machinery that will deliver without any tweaking. It ain't broken - why fix it.

[RV Pundit]

We tried communism and socialism before - were everyone was a winner - and we know how that ended. Everyone became a loser everywhere it was tried. Look at Kenya now - everyone is in gov and there is no opposition. You would think the gov would achieve more - but reality the current one party system is doing nothing. Because the reality is you need winners and losers..and losers working very hard to become winners. You eliminate winners and losers by sharing the pie to everyone - and you enact communism - that on paper appear fair and all good - but on reality doesn't work. You end up hodgepodge where lazy people like MaDVD and Gideon disincentivize everyone.

In short nothing really is broken except a Raila who cannot win elections. Ruto was born into poverty and look likely to do it before he it 60yrs.

US is the greatest democracy, economy and country because it practise this pure form of capitalism & politics...where it tries not to interfere with nature's the survival for the fittest - so much.

Your usual whack reasoning. Sharing executive is inclusion and patriotic not stupidity. What Uhuru, Raila, Waiguru and the governors are doing will be remembered as a great selfless moment just as the Handshake. Only Ruto and his lurkies insist its their turn to eat... history won't be kind. He will be like the homeguards of the Mau Mau era.

[Nefertiti]

US is an outlier.... the rest of the 1st world practice pseudo- socialism and parliamentary. Besides our massive US welfare system, we have the famous electoral college you conspicuously ignore - which basically render "nature" of tyranny blunt. The Dems have super-delegates - official veto - which rig out populists like Bernie Sanders who wants socialism.

Now Kenya is 3rd world LDC despite pure Darwinian capitalism - since Jomo vanquished Jaramogi in the 60s then murdered JM and socialist voices. Still dirt-poor waiting for a benevolent dictator to save them.

Pick your analogies carefully.

[RV Pundit]

We need competition everywhere including politics.We cannot share the pie by creating positions for everyone including retiring governors whom you want to appease by adding another layer then next you have pm, majority leader, whip, committee chairman...I mean it's a joke.Let those in opposition do their job and get paid for it.Raila should be getting the motorcade as opposition leader that Uhuru has bribed him now with...and he would be doing an honourable job like US Democrats are doing.This idea that everyone should be in gov is Kenya 6th generation right..the right to steal from public coffers.

[Nefertiti]

We need competition everywhere including politics.We cannot share the pie by creating positions for everyone including retiring governors whom you want to appease by adding another layer then next you have pm, majority leader, whip, committee chairman...I mean it's a joke.Let those in opposition do their job and get paid for it.Raila should be getting the motorcade as opposition leader that Uhuru has bribed him now with...and he would be doing an honourable job like US Democrats are doing.This idea that everyone should be in gov is Kenya 6th generation right..the right to steal from public coffers.

Don't misspeak my words. I am for PURE PARLIAMENTARY - not 3rd tier. REBs are ok which already exist or need laws. I wish MPs could be slashed back to 180 or 210.

I don't like what am hearing that has you so excited ... hybrid presidential + parliamentary ala France,  RSA, TZ, UG is not all that. Unless the ultimate authority is fully accountable to MPs, courts, commissions, press, etc power will be abused and impunity continua.

Sadly your preference has no principle nor any objectivity but Ruto career.

[Nefertiti]

We need competition everywhere including politics.We cannot share the pie by creating positions for everyone including retiring governors whom you want to appease by adding another layer then next you have pm, majority leader, whip, committee chairman...I mean it's a joke.Let those in opposition do their job and get paid for it.Raila should be getting the motorcade as opposition leader that Uhuru has bribed him now with...and he would be doing an honourable job like US Democrats are doing.This idea that everyone should be in gov is Kenya 6th generation right..the right to steal from public coffers.

Democracy is MANAGED SYSTEM - where is the success model of pure competitive? US is very doctored, gerrymandered, sanitized, etc - with Bloomberg millions and media blitz still making nonsense of the nominations process. Pure competition is chaos - PEV every cycle in Kenya. That's the reality - recent history doesn't agree with your sentiments.

[RV Pundit]

We need competition everywhere including politics.We cannot share the pie by creating positions for everyone including retiring governors whom you want to appease by adding another layer then next you have pm, majority leader, whip, committee chairman...I mean it's a joke.Let those in opposition do their job and get paid for it.Raila should be getting the motorcade as opposition leader that Uhuru has bribed him now with...and he would be doing an honourable job like US Democrats are doing.This idea that everyone should be in gov is Kenya 6th generation right..the right to steal from public coffers.

Democracy is MANAGED SYSTEM - where is the success model of pure competitive? US is very doctored, gerrymandered, sanitized, etc - with Bloomberg millions and media blitz still making nonsense of the nominations process. Pure competition is chaos - PEV every cycle in Kenya. That's the reality - recent history doesn't agree with your sentiments.

Nope.Pure fair competition cannot bring pev.Our focus should be making sure we improve our electoral process.ODM and NASA fatigue is coz they think our elections are irridimably rigged.You change system n that will also be rigged.So focus on winning whatever system. Of course we know why NASA can't win..Raila.

[Nefertiti]

Nope.Pure fair competition cannot bring pev.Our focus should be making sure we improve our electoral process.ODM and NASA fatigue is coz they think our elections are irridimably rigged.You change system n that will also be rigged.So focus on winning whatever system. Of course we know why NASA can't win..Raila.

You don't get me. Assume there is free, fair, transparent, bla election where loser happily concede - whether the winner is Ruto or Raila or Matiang'i - so long as he is unaccountable deity called PORK it pointless. All the impunity and abuse of power by "Jezebel crew" you been whining about - is mere symptom of the deep problem. It is more useful to reform the governance system than electoral process.

I would outrightly prefer Exec PM Ruto to Exec PORK Raila... if I had say with such a stark choice. The game is more important than the players.

[RV Pundit]

Presidential systems have checks and balances. Having PM answering questions in parliament doesn't stop a Zuma in South Africa.Uhuru is doing what he is doing because he is retiring - he doesn't care. He isn't even accountable to Jubilee.

You don't get me. Assume there is free, fair, transparent, bla election where loser happily concede - whether the winner is Ruto or Raila or Matiang'i - so long as he is unaccountable deity called PORK it pointless. All the impunity and abuse of power by "Jezebel crew" you been whining about - is mere symptom of the deep problem. It is more useful to reform the governance system than electoral process.

I would outrightly prefer Exec PM Ruto to Exec PORK Raila... if I had say with such a stark choice. The game is more important than the players.

[Nefertiti]

RSA is bizarre hybrid cause yes party leader is CEO - but he doesn't go to parliament to answer questions. They also don't separate state from government.

If Uhuru did not have the state largesse of Mwathethe and parades at JKIA - if had to attend Q&A in plenary and be subpoena'd by courts - say over Miguna - the arrogance would be checked. He would not assent laws and corruptly collude with Muturi to practically defang MPs, refuse to swear in duly appointed judges, make opaque policies like racking massive debt, favoring Mt Kenya farmers and God knows what else in SH - without any debate or approval. I mean ACCOUNTABILITY - having to explain things before a vote - makes alot of difference.

Presidential systems have checks and balances. Having PM answering questions in parliament doesn't stop a Zuma in South Africa.Uhuru is doing what he is doing because he is retiring - he doesn't care. He isn't even accountable to Jubilee.

[Nefertiti]

These don't work in Zamunda where people worship PORK. Strip the ceremonial nonsense from the guy and stop the hero worship. Now say DPP and courts are supposed to independent but how is that going? Even cops are meant to be independent - BIG JOKE.

Presidential systems have checks and balances. Having PM answering questions in parliament doesn't stop a Zuma in South Africa.Uhuru is doing what he is doing because he is retiring - he doesn't care. He isn't even accountable to Jubilee.

[RV Pundit]

If we had parliamentary system - and Raila as opposition leader - enter into a path with Uhuru - Uhuru would still execute his reign of impunity - because Babu Owino will be his first defender. The problem is not the system of governance. It our unprincipled tumbo mbele politics. We are now one party system - Uhuru would get his way in parliament now. And in parliamentary system - nothing stops PM from corrupting the speaker and most of Mps to get away with everything - he can read a statement about xyz and that is it. How will you make him further accountable if he has the majority of Mps.

RSA is bizarre hybrid cause yes party leader is CEO - but he doesn't go to parliament to answer questions. They also don't separate state from government.

If Uhuru did not have the state largesse of Mwathethe and parades at JKIA - if had to attend Q&A in plenary and be subpoena'd by courts - say over Miguna - the arrogance would be checked. He would not assent laws and corruptly collude with Muturi to practically defang MPs, refuse to swear in duly appointed judges, make opaque policies like racking massive debt, favoring Mt Kenya farmers and God knows what else in SH - without any debate or approval. I mean ACCOUNTABILITY - having to explain things before a vote - makes alot of difference.

Presidential systems have checks and balances. Having PM answering questions in parliament doesn't stop a Zuma in South Africa.Uhuru is doing what he is doing because he is retiring - he doesn't care. He isn't even accountable to Jubilee.

[Nefertiti]

He is able to do this by having excess powers and impunity. You can't get MPs loyalty without state largesse to bribe or intimidate them. If he didn't control everything including cops, DPP, courts, NIS - he would be stopped from corrupting Raila, undermining DP, etc. State power corrupts daily governance.

Those motorcades and allowances he has given Raila are illegal. Deporting Miguna is illegal. Selective prosecution is illegal. Pampering of Gema farmers to win back support is illegal. It is the temptation to abuse power that is eliminated in parliamentary by separating GoK from sate.

Cops for example - he has compromised them by doctoring the law - NPS Act. He shouldn't assent laws.

DPP - if he didn't have appointing power for independent office there would not be selective prosecution. Kibicho might be locked up.

If we had parliamentary system - and Raila as opposition leader - enter into a path with Uhuru - Uhuru would still execute his reign of impunity - because Babu Owino will be his first defender. The problem is not the system of governance. It our unprincipled tumbo mbele politics. We are now one party system - Uhuru would get his way in parliament now. And in parliamentary system - nothing stops PM from corrupting the speaker and most of Mps to get away with everything - he can read a statement about xyz and that is it. How will you make him further accountable if he has the majority of Mps.

[KenyanPlato]

All I know is that the top hancho in the name of president or executive PM come 2022 will not be Kikuyu.

Guys,this thing is gone,no need of exchanges.Kikuyus will have a candidate,there is no way a community with a population of 8 million can fail to present one of their own for presidency.Never.They will dangle the DP, PM,DPM posts to other tribes and game sealed.Read Kalonzo,Mudavadi,Kingi.Raila is being used..Ruto is radarless.Both will hang separatelty.perfect strategy of divide and rule.Lets compare notes 2022.I go

How sure are you?

[Kadudu]

Very sure. Then it would even be better to elect the looter we know as president under the current constituition.

How sure are you?

[RV Pundit]

Unless you're new in Kenya - right from MCA to PORK - the major if not the ONLY motivator to join politics or nearly any leadership position including cattle dip chair is to make money - it's the 10% that people target. Therefore whoever we elect - will be a thief. Therefore I find anybody trying to say Kenya politician A is a thief to be just stupid or well naive. Or we shouldn't elect this thief or that thief. They are all thieves. Imagine Waiguru or Raila or Atwoli or Murathe call somebody else a thief. Only in Kenya.

Once you acknowledge that tautology - then like many Kenyans you'll go for their development and leadership record. If thief A is given 10M and thief B is given 10M to build a secondary school - what will they accomplish. The majority of our thieves are also lazy - they will spend their time drinking and scre.wing around - so thief A will get his 1M delivered in brief-case - pick a few university girls - and end up in Mombasa to enjoy himself. Thief B will get his 1M - stick around and supervise the construction.

Ruto is thief B. Raila is thief A.

Very sure. Then it would even be better to elect the looter we know as president under the current constituition.

[Nefertiti]

Kadudu I feel you but it's not what we want but reality. Raila approaching 80 is desperate and scornful enough to settle for ceremonial president. I see the parliamentary system as a worthy prize for Uhuru 2.0. Pundit will spin a yarn from Kapsengere to Mavoko for Ruto so he ignores all the writings on the wall.