Author Topic: Prof Karuti lazy explanation of why Moi performed dismally economically.  (Read 1634 times)

Offline RV Pundit

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His entire theory is Moi appointed illiterate Kamatusa to run-down public institutions. That had some knock-down effect but that doesn't explain it all.

1) the 1980s - the brilliant Kibaki was not only the VP and but also the Finance Minister - civil service inherited from Kenyatta was largely intact - Kibaki couldn't help much because we had twin problem of global economic crisis and our population growth of 60-70s meant we were not going to reap any demographic dividend - the schools or hospitals were never going to be enough - as Kenya had world fastest population growth *4%. There was a small mistake when Njamba's village mate Magugu was appointed the minister of finance. Like Gichuru James - Magugu was a drunkard - who run the ministry of Finance from seedy bars in Nairobi downtowns. Moi never appointed a kalenjin his minister of Finance.

2)Moi get blamed for the economic meltdown of 1990s - the hyper-inflation of 1991-1993 - when suddenly Ksh collapsed - from 20shs to a dollar to 60shs to a dollar. Jirongo and Y2k and Goldenburg get blamed here. While the real blame lies with OPPOSITION (including myself). The real cause of the foreign currency crisis of 1990s was withholding of donor funding (donors controlled the budget of Kenya then) at behest of opposition for Moi's widespread human rights violation. In short Kenya, the opposition had successfully convinced the donors to cut off aid to starve the beast. The economy basically tanked and common man suffered.

The popular narrative is Moi or Jirongo or Goldenburg raided the central bank. The truth is Kenyans had told the Europeans and Americans to nuke the economy to save the country.

The true story is after the opposition had convinced the donors (western countries) to cut off aid (foreign currencies) - Goldenburg Kamlesh & Kanyotu (NIS) came to help with an igneous idea to steal or buy gold from Congo, re-export it to earn forex and shore up Forex Reserves - save Kshs and economy - that also turns out to be a big fraud :) but we were already on the frying pan. Kenya then had no diaspora - or private investment - basically depended on foreign aid for hard currencies.

3) The 90s were economically spent as the price for democracy - with donors being called to cut off aid nearly every day - and boost democracy (weaken KANU & MOI). We got democracy - we lost the economy. Moi eventually retired and left us a thriving democracy we need to guard against desperados like Raila who are bent on "anything goes".

We have to guard against Robinas who have no memory of the prize we paid for democracy. Kibaki never gave us any democracy. We won it during Moi regime by amongst other things calling donors to cut off budgetary support including for hospitals and schools/

Although to be honest we know it by sheer luck because Moi had proved himself a match to Western donors (He had lied to donors a record I think 10 times - got funding coming promising to reform xyz - before reneging - donor aid got cut - Moi went again and repeated the same lie - eventually even allowed WB to appoint their PSes and etc---allowed them to fire civil servants - and then fires them too :) :) when they were so unpopular - people like Patel can kill leakey :) ) . We won against KANU by mere luck...when Moi made his only mistake in life by fishing a young 30yr old drunkard literally as a rabbit off his hat as his successor. and that too was going so well *Mt Kenya stampede to KANU is a spectacle that need some replaying # until Raila said Kibaki Tosha - Kibaki was by then a bitter joker who had been abandoned by nearly everyone - including his main financier Njenga Karume.

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-the-economy-performed-dismally-under-Moi/1056-5457258-fyv8v1z/index.html

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Re: Prof Karuti lazy explanation of why Moi performed dismally economically.
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2020, 05:01:09 PM »
Robina was sitting her fat bossom in California while we tackled Moi in DC. We lobbied a lot. WW was a senior economist and local govt high ranking official. He and others fought to lobby for Moi to be denied funding and be forced to embrace democracy, WW escaped Moi dragnet in NBI and took off for US exile where he lived not out of choice but due to circumstances

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Re: Prof Karuti lazy explanation of why Moi performed dismally economically.
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2020, 05:28:17 PM »
Robina was sitting her fat bossom in California while we tackled Moi in DC. We lobbied a lot. WW was a senior economist and local govt high ranking official. He and others fought to lobby for Moi to be denied funding and be forced to embrace democracy, WW escaped Moi dragnet in NBI and took off for US exile where he lived not out of choice but due to circumstances
That is why most Kenya laugh when someone wants to take them back..they think it's a joke..Uhuru has to go home..that is a redline..we suffered in 90s to starve the beast..Uhuru will not be anybody pm or president.He goes home like Moi or Kibaki.

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Re: Prof Karuti lazy explanation of why Moi performed dismally economically.
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2020, 07:31:55 PM »
That is alot of excuses for Moi Nobel-grade incompetence. He stuffed the GoK bureaucracy - policy bodies, parastatals, ministries, etc - with semi-literate Kalenjin in his image. These lot were given orders by the roadside. Coupled with brazen looting like Goldenberg. Mwakenya and Saba Saba were reactions to his misrule of torture, tribalism, looting, etc. Raila was right to question Kibaki 7% growth - "anyone can do better than Moi."

Save the spin for the gullible.

Another thing you should disabuse yourself of. The belief that hyperactivity or firm hand leadership can grow the economy. It cannot. Policies and institutions do it. And you need to take national decision making from the unaccountable PORK. You cannot guarantee who will be the leader so think of an optimal setup. How should policy decisions be made? - in State House by one person or in Parliament by open debate? You can see the Trump problem now in advanced democracy - the presidential system weakness. Imagine a fool like Moi implementing Brexit.

One minute you have Moi, the next Kibaki, the next Uhuru then who knows? Think beyond Ruto.

Plato - I was in elementary school when Moi was departing for Kabarak. Half the cops, DOs and the shebang were Kalenjin. The Moi ERROR is Kenya's dark age and will not be treated kindly by history. That is hardly unique there are Mobutus, Idi Amins, Bokasas all over Africa.
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Re: Prof Karuti lazy explanation of why Moi performed dismally economically.
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2020, 08:06:16 AM »
The opposition called for and got us economic sanctions.Thst in addition to Moi corruption and misrule lead to the lost decade of 90s.When the opposition won they invited KANU back to power.Moi was key cog of Kibaki re election in 2007 and eventually UhuRuto then ksnu blueyed boys won.That tell you history is so kind to Moi he got hero welcome where everyone was praising him.

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Re: Prof Karuti lazy explanation of why Moi performed dismally economically.
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2020, 12:51:51 PM »
Political opportunism and those fake orbituaries are not history. With his "mentee" Uhuru and vultures like Raila and Ruto angling for power what else do you expect? Only a few Koigi dare to say the truth of Moi backwardness. When nobody care about who Moi is - years from now - the correct story of tortures, wanton wastage and economic destruction will be told. Noone whitewashes Idi Amin or Mubarak or Evan the Terrible today. Noone will falsely praise a sorry joke like Moi in 2050.
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Re: Prof Karuti lazy explanation of why Moi performed dismally economically.
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2020, 05:36:58 PM »
Criminal enterprises/governments run on elaborate criminal philosophy whose actions -outcomes are far reaching though hard to link. Theft and ruthless killings have an effect on the bodies, midns and spirits of millions who hear the rumours. Appointments on the background of such means little - the philosophy is quite clear on what is to be done or not done. For Moi- it was suitcases with money at State House.

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