Sudan's ex-president Omar al-Bashir headed for the Hague

[Nefertiti]

I mean wazungu act in their nations' interest unlike most Africans. For instance while Sakorzy favored France, Gbagbo and Ouattara put their careers first. Now the same Ouattara has refused to step down and outlawed his former ally Guillaume who helped him depose Gbagbo.

The ICC is a DETERRENT. What we have in Kenya - "UhuRuto" - is not justice but a bunch of thugs cutting a deal. They would kill again in a blink if not for fear of reviving shelved files. Now even Kagame cannot just spread mayhem but has to be careful. There is a system he doesn't control.

Your worldview is so Anglo (western) centric. For example Western leaders act in whose National Interests? Do you believe they act in African interests and not their own? You think they care ao much about African lives than African themselves?

Taylor VOLUNTARILY gave up power and voluntarily went into exile in Nigeria. This was after negotiations that ended Liberia/Sierra Leone conflict. George Bush wanted revenge on Taylor. He threatened Nigerian President (Obasanjo) that he would turn Nigeria into stone age if it didn't surrender Taylor. Obasanjo's VP (if my memory is right) was present when threat was issued. Is that what you call justice?

Gbagbo won election. His competitor protested the results and was helped by French and other to launch a rebel army to eject Gbagbo. And French Army was part of that rebel army. Once they bombed Gbagbo seat of power (like State House) they beat him up and his wife was raped and he was handed over to ICC.

You really don't appreciate how brutal these Wazungus are. And then you think ICC is fair?

NB: Taylor and Gbagbo are punished to be a lesson for any independent minded African leader.

NB: For Gbagbo even ICC Kangaroo Court couldn't find him guilty. But they kept him in custody nevertheless. Then he was "released" under certain conditions and he stays in Belgium. They don't want him back to Ivory Coast for he's still popular.

[Kadudu]

As usual you are busy spreading rumours with no iota of evidence.

Ngunjiri is a cry baby. These people failed to install a government that is answerable to parliament thinking it will always act to their favour. No that the tables have been turned round he is busy whinning about being assasinated. Let him live with the circumstances he helped create.

Btw, Uhuru cannot stir the PEV matters without his role in it being questioned. You do not cut the branch you are sitting on.

Ruto ain't an angel. No one is. His role in PEV is a matter of public records, speculation, rumours and what have you. And so is Uhuru role too. Plus RAO too. No one is an angel.

But this is where you have Africans going to all extremes to get power or eliminate their political opponents. That's what happening. That now Kenya "will cooperate with ICC and provide further evidence that only seem to implicate Ruto." That's what "taking Ruto to the Hague" is all about.
And no, am not falling for Ruto's theatrics. Kimani Ngunjiri was angry with Uhuru for "allegedly mistreating Ruto" and he said that ICC Investigators are here (Kenya) and that he's talking to them. He has had his licensed guns taken away from him. Plus his security. And he cried on Kikuyu Radio that his life is in danger then he was just given blackout. You know Fixing can be both ways!!
My point, ICC agents are around. Have been around the country. And some idiots think they can "assist them" to nail someone. This ain't a conspiracy theory. Its seriously on the agenda.

And if you catch my drift I keep saying ICC is a political court not a court of justice. They don't even have to be around the country for someone to "fix and handover someone..."

Expect tumultuous year.

[Kadudu]

As they say, there is no honour amongst thieves.
It was just a matter of time before one hoodlum betrayed the other.

The ICC is a DETERRENT. What we have in Kenya - "UhuRuto" - is not justice but a bunch of thugs cutting a deal. They would kill again in a blink if not for fear of reviving shelved files. Now even Kagame cannot just spread mayhem but has to be careful. There is a system he doesn't control.

[Nefertiti]

Garliv views it as a great virtue that Taylor "VOLUNTARILY" handed over power. But he maimed people, looted, misgoverned and impoverished his country. Sirleaf and now Weah are still cleaning up his mess. I couldn't care less the real reason Bush jailed him. The wages of his sins are being served.

As they say, there is no honour amongst thieves.
It was just a matter of time before one hoodlum betrayed the other.

[Kadudu]

Garliv has no sense of history. If he knew how Charles Taylor messed up a country like Sirra Leone not even mentioning Liberia. He should talk to people who experienced Taylor's misddeds in these countries and he will know that the man is lucky to be still alive. The sins he commited on this earth are enormous.

Garliv views it as a great virtue that Taylor "VOLUNTARILY" handed over power. But he maimed people, looted, misgoverned and impoverished his country. Sirleaf and now Weah are still cleaning up his mess. I couldn't care less the real reason Bush jailed him. The wages of his sins are being served.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Garliv has no sense of history. If he knew how Charles Taylor messed up a country like Sirra Leone not even mentioning Liberia. He should talk to people who experienced Taylor's misddeds in these countries and he will know that the man is lucky to be still alive. The sins he commited on this earth are enormous.

Garliv views it as a great virtue that Taylor "VOLUNTARILY" handed over power. But he maimed people, looted, misgoverned and impoverished his country. Sirleaf and now Weah are still cleaning up his mess. I couldn't care less the real reason Bush jailed him. The wages of his sins are being served.

Both Sierra Leone and Liberia were grotesque depictions of African wars that even a Hollywood director could never have dreamed of.  Men in Halloween costumes, women's negligees, completely butt naked visiting untold wanton brutality on people, for no readily apparent reasons.  At the end of the parade of mayhem Charles Taylor himself.  He is indeed lucky to have avoid Samuel Doe's fate.

[Garliv]

Am aware of all that history. Or supposed history. Taylor's involvement is in the same category as what Gaddafi was being accused of like giving his soliders viagra to go on a raping spree. That he was executing critics in  football stadiums by firing squad even as Nato bombed Libya. Same history that accuses Syria's Assad of "atrocities" while the US and its Nato Gang support and arm worst kind of extremists Jihadists to render whole country into stone age. I could go on but you get the point. IT'S FAKE HISTORY. Propaganda. When you want to kill a dog, first give it a bad name (meaning smear it with all sorts of evil so that when you finally kill it no one will question, everyone will say THE DOG DESERVED IT! " This always work. Remember stories about Saddam and Incubator babies? Currently whistle-blowers at OPCW are revealing sordid details on how the organization faked Douma chemical attack in Syria so as to give US/Nato Gang JUSTIFICATION to bomb Syria. So Kadudu, I have sense of history. Very much so.

Damn this Anglo Media saturation always work wonders. The Victim becomes the Villain and the Villain is Holy God's Chosen!

NB: Am not denying that atrocities happened, am just saying you took mainstream propaganda against Taylor as proof or as factual. Tomorrow will go through bookmarks and post some links and research and confessions. Btw, did you follow Taylor's trial and what was presented? Did you notice how they mistreated the only Judge who dissented? That he had to read his Judgement solitary as others left and curtain drawn? That he was few days later "disciplined" for some infraction or ethics?

Garliv has no sense of history. If he knew how Charles Taylor messed up a country like Sirra Leone not even mentioning Liberia. He should talk to people who experienced Taylor's misddeds in these countries and he will know that the man is lucky to be still alive. The sins he commited on this earth are enormous.

Garliv views it as a great virtue that Taylor "VOLUNTARILY" handed over power. But he maimed people, looted, misgoverned and impoverished his country. Sirleaf and now Weah are still cleaning up his mess. I couldn't care less the real reason Bush jailed him. The wages of his sins are being served.

[Nefertiti]

Woi Garliv, no you do not know history. Gadaffi was framed but Taylor's handiwork is readily available for all to see. With his buddy Foday Sanko of Sierra Leone - they chopped off people's hands at the wrist. Those grotesque photos were on display at his trial. He deserves more than he got.

Gadaffi of course we know Libya then and now and there is no comparison. Complete with fake CIA websites with laughable nonsense about him raping kids. There is no NATO in Liberia.

[Garliv]

Very soon ICC issue will crop up in a big way. So let's wait. But mostly lots of stuffs going on silently.
Another thing Uhuru doesn't think ICC has any chance of getting anything which would help resurrect the case. Further at the moment he is with Baba and lots of promises to such as Trump so he feels safe. Ako the right side.

Ngunjiri troubles have nothing to do with with parliamentary or not. Even under parliamentary you can still get what he's going through.

NB: whereas crimes were committed during PEV i don't believe the level of criminality was so high as to have Kenyan case accepted at the ICC. I believe its just too "small" for ICC intended purposes when it was established. And i still maintain ICC is not a respectable or neutral or fair institution. It's just another one for the powerful to trample and hang the poor and weak. Its a colonial court. Its value being only believed in by uninformed Africans and some Western NGOs who derive relevance from it. The worst thing any thinking African wound have signed into or accept to be subjected to it.

As usual you are busy spreading rumours with no iota of evidence.

Ngunjiri is a cry baby. These people failed to install a government that is answerable to parliament thinking it will always act to their favour. No that the tables have been turned round he is busy whinning about being assasinated. Let him live with the circumstances he helped create.

Btw, Uhuru cannot stir the PEV matters without his role in it being questioned. You do not cut the branch you are sitting on.

Ruto ain't an angel. No one is. His role in PEV is a matter of public records, speculation, rumours and what have you. And so is Uhuru role too. Plus RAO too. No one is an angel.

But this is where you have Africans going to all extremes to get power or eliminate their political opponents. That's what happening. That now Kenya "will cooperate with ICC and provide further evidence that only seem to implicate Ruto." That's what "taking Ruto to the Hague" is all about.
And no, am not falling for Ruto's theatrics. Kimani Ngunjiri was angry with Uhuru for "allegedly mistreating Ruto" and he said that ICC Investigators are here (Kenya) and that he's talking to them. He has had his licensed guns taken away from him. Plus his security. And he cried on Kikuyu Radio that his life is in danger then he was just given blackout. You know Fixing can be both ways!!
My point, ICC agents are around. Have been around the country. And some idiots think they can "assist them" to nail someone. This ain't a conspiracy theory. Its seriously on the agenda.

And if you catch my drift I keep saying ICC is a political court not a court of justice. They don't even have to be around the country for someone to "fix and handover someone..."

Expect tumultuous year.

[Garliv]

People hands were chopped off. Connection to Taylor is what's at issue. It's a good start you acknowledge Gaddafi was set up. Even Wikileaks released documents showing US witch hunt against Taylor. Say what you may about Wikileaks but they have never been proved wrong. I will make my case on this. Kesho..

Woi Garliv, no you do not know history. Gadaffi was framed but Taylor's handiwork is readily available for all to see. With his buddy Foday Sanko of Sierra Leone - they chopped off people's hands at the wrist. Those grotesque photos were on display at his trial. He deserves more than he got.

Gadaffi of course we know Libya then and now and there is no comparison. Complete with fake CIA websites with laughable nonsense about him raping kids. There is no NATO in Liberia.

[Nefertiti]

I don't mind witch-hunt against anyone who hurts their fellow Africans via greed, violence or misgovernance. The US or Europeans will hang them for selfish reasons but it is just the same to me. Justice is served.

Despite his brutal coup Gadaffi ran a welfare state and the Libyans were happy for most of his reign. Nothing of the benign sort can be said about Taylor.

People hands were chopped off. Connection to Taylor is what's at issue. It's a good start you acknowledge Gaddafi was set up. Even Wikileaks released documents showing US witch hunt against Taylor. Say what you may about Wikileaks but they have never been proved wrong. I will make my case on this. Kesho..

[Kadudu]

You are wasting time discussing with Garliv. It is like trying to debate with Donald Trump about climate change. Garliv lives in his own bubble where everything is propaganda created in CIA labs. Lost case. I rest my discussion with this fellow.

Woi Garliv, no you do not know history. Gadaffi was framed but Taylor's handiwork is readily available for all to see. With his buddy Foday Sanko of Sierra Leone - they chopped off people's hands at the wrist. Those grotesque photos were on display at his trial. He deserves more than he got.

Gadaffi of course we know Libya then and now and there is no comparison. Complete with fake CIA websites with laughable nonsense about him raping kids. There is no NATO in Liberia.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

You are wasting time discussing with Garliv. It is like trying to debate with Donald Trump about climate change. Garliv lives in his own bubble where everything is propaganda created in CIA labs. Lost case. I rest my discussion with this fellow.

Woi Garliv, no you do not know history. Gadaffi was framed but Taylor's handiwork is readily available for all to see. With his buddy Foday Sanko of Sierra Leone - they chopped off people's hands at the wrist. Those grotesque photos were on display at his trial. He deserves more than he got.

Gadaffi of course we know Libya then and now and there is no comparison. Complete with fake CIA websites with laughable nonsense about him raping kids. There is no NATO in Liberia.

If you've ever been involved in a discussion(debate) with a Trump supporter, Garliv evokes a familiar pattern.  Before 2016, I found myself arguing with a dude who literally believed Russia had stationed thousands of troops on US soil, waiting to take out Trump, the minute he was elected.  This was before revelations of Russian interference, in favor of Trump.

[Nefertiti]

Garliv and Plato are dyed in the wool Kikuyu chauvinists. The Odingas are to blame for the Moi misrule.