After voting moi out in 2002

[Globalcitizen12]

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Something happened to Kenya. Something chsnged that made tribalism fo be so upfront. Right now tribal rhetoric is left, right and center. It is funny tryigj to watch Kenya tv debates seeing elites trying to come up with the most tortured argument to justify their tribal inclinations..

We need  national dialogue so that the country can reset. I personally belief kibaki electroral theft and coup killed kenya..the non elections of 2017 just mutilated a corpse.

Otherwise we are setting the stage for a genocide. I see only millennials are active in  dsocial media Especially fuckbook..the others are forward genocide messages in Whatsapp and the top elites are in twitter scratching their itchy butts for the masses..Donald kipokofir will eat a chickeb bang bang and then twitt a smelly fart to grand mull.mah who will be eating air burgers on his way to the mosque..the hungry angry mullah will http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Rains-are-here--why-are-we-stuck-in-the-mud-of-politics--/440808-4108224-xleepg/index.html a dotardic smelly pile of shit towards Donald the moron ..until miguna unleashes his elephant size poop

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Hehehe...

I agree post 2002 ukabila on steroids established itself.  That is why I am amused when I see suggestions that the younger generation will slay the monster.  Millenials are easily the most ethnically polarized generation since independence.

[Globalcitizen12]

Man they are virlulent tribalists. However most of these tribalists are from rural areas. The worst is that these tribalists are the top 5 percent of smart kids ...anyway in the world of today where trumpuism reigns I can why

[Kadudu]

Not the case anymore. I know tribalists from town who cannot even speak their mother tongue. Now they play the tribal card although they never grew up in that enviroment.
The disease has spread and it is now everywhere.

Man they are virlulent tribalists. However most of these tribalists are from rural areas. The worst is that these tribalists are the top 5 percent of smart kids ...anyway in the world of today where trumpuism reigns I can why

[RV Pundit]

That is the nature of the beast. Competitive politics in heterogeneous environment like us will only accentuate tribal difference. The way forward is for everyone to join JUBILEE as we try to build a unifying KANU like beheemoth and tribalism will abate...just like it small isssue in TZ where CCM curbs that competitive tribal politics. Hopefully NASA can also form a strong party from it's many tribal parties. That way we get two big parties ala US - and don't end up with ANC or CCM kind of situation.

[Globalcitizen12]

Pabdito

Nope jubilee is not kanu it is mongrel that will die in 2021

[Kichwa]

Pundito: Do not even dare to  compare the hateful Ouruto Kalenjin/kikuyu jubilee party with TZ non-tribal political parties. Stealing elections is not competitive politics. It all started in 2002 kikuyu reneging on the MOU,  the 2007 blatant theft, the ICC saga and then the made up ouruto tyranny of numbers excuse for stealing elections.  The horse has left the barn and the country will have to go to the precipice of abyss or go under, a cease fire and then recovery .  This is why I believe NASA should not go into a sham elections again until this issue is settled. There is really no need to postpone the inevitable.

That is the nature of the beast. Competitive politics in heterogeneous environment like us will only accentuate tribal difference. The way forward is for everyone to join JUBILEE as we try to build a unifying KANU like beheemoth and tribalism will abate...just like it small isssue in TZ where CCM curbs that competitive tribal politics. Hopefully NASA can also form a strong party from it's many tribal parties. That way we get two big parties ala US - and don't end up with ANC or CCM kind of situation.

[RV Pundit]

It was bound to happen. But Jubilee has shown the worse of enemies - Kalenjin and Kikuyu in 2007 - can bury the hatchet and live in one big tent. Jubilee as you are well aware won elections everywhere. ODM which was national party has 63mps? - with more than half being Luos. That now is tribal party - Raila has to agree to merge ODM with Ford-K, Wiper & ANC - and form NASA as strong counter party. The way forward is for big players to form and sustain bigger parties. Moi managed to keep tribalism down by uniting the country under KANU. NARC would have been natural replacement but Kibaki tribalism and disdain for politics - meant we had to go to the precipe in 2007.

Tribalism is going to abate if Jubilee manages it's politics well.

Pundito: Do not even dare to  compare the hateful Ouruto Kalenjin/kikuyu jubilee party with TZ non-tribal political parties. It all started in 2002 kikuyu reneging on the MOU,  the 2007 blatant theft, the ICC saga and then the made up ouruto tyranny of numbers excuse for stealing elections.  The horse has left the barn and the country will have to go to the precipice of abyss or go under, a cease fire and then recovery .  This is why I believe NASA should not go into a sham elections again until this issue is settled.

[RV Pundit]

Let wait till then. So far it's national party with neary 2/3 of the mps. I am hopefully UhuRuto will build and sustain this behemoth for 30 yrs.

Pabdito

Nope jubilee is not kanu it is mongrel that will die in 2021

[Kichwa]

Computers never generate leaders. That is just lame excuse from Odinga after the dog beating.

Are you counting computer generated leaders too? We do not recognize the proceeds of illegal activities and that includes stolen elections and WSR wealth.

[Nefertiti]

Jubilee displaced ODM from big parts of NFD, coast and western. As Raila retires - like he said - Jubilee will consolidate into Kanu in 2022 by completing the rout... in Ukambani, Kisii and Turkana.

[Nefertiti]

Tribalism is part of democracy - free speech has bigger dividend than the cost - to deal with corruption, incompetence, favoritism, etc. Kenya has made big leaps with competitive elections - where leaders have to explain things, debate and deliver - unlike Uganda or Rwanda. So long as we have Kaparo NCIC to reign in foulmouths like Kuria & Muthama - and katiba clauses on regional balance - and devolution - checkered democracy is much better than Kanu-style "cohesion" which allowed Moi & Jomo to abuse the country.

[Globalcitizen12]

Robina,
Far from political projection what happened to project Kenya?  I think it is too early to claim that jubilee domination will unify Kenya in future ..I think odm in 2007 had a large footprint that it coulldnt hold onto

[Kichwa]

Robina, I do not know what you are smoking lately.  Ati tribalism is part of democracy.  That is like saying that racisim is part of democracy?  Tribalism or racism, corruption, impunity etc. are vices.  They are enemies of democracy and free society. Democracy is not just about a majority, its is also about free thought and free association.  When you see people like Munya or IR scared of being in opposition because of their tribesmates-that is not freedom of association.  When money acquired through corruption is used to to buy people and form a majority-that is not democracy. Corruption and impunity are enemies of democracy and they cannot co-exist. When Babu Owino is arrested for insulting Ouru-that is not free speech.  The difference between Kenya, Rwanda and Uganda is so little that there is really nothing for Kenyans to brag about. Under Ouruto and the so called jubilee computer generated majority will start attacking the bill of rights, freedom of speech and extending ouru's term limits, there will really be no difference between Rwanda and Kenya. At least in Rwanda they have a benevolent dictatorship unlike Kenya where the looting leaves everybody else out of their circle dirt poor but happy that they are a majority.  Thank God there are so many Kenyans who care only about being on the right side and not with the "majority".

Tribalism is part of democracy - free speech has bigger dividend than the cost - to deal with corruption, incompetence, favoritism, etc. Kenya has made big leaps with competitive elections - where leaders have to explain things, debate and deliver - unlike Uganda or Rwanda. So long as we have Kaparo NCIC to reign in foulmouths like Kuria & Muthama - and katiba clauses on regional balance - and devolution - checkered democracy is much better than Kanu-style "cohesion" which allowed Moi & Jomo to abuse the country.

[Globalcitizen12]

That is one tortured argument Robina. I guess you have decided to join the masses and celebrate democracy of tribalism

[Nefertiti]

Kichwa & Global - tribalism, racism, clannism and other vices are part of the democracy package. We can't have our cake and eat it. Same as islamophobe christianity where a muslim has zero chance of winning PORK in Kenya. You can't mandate love, values or patriotism - evolution - these will take eons. Noone's calling them virtues but they are real.

And oh, Babu is just another Kuria. Sorry he doesn't get the "free speech" pass. A few rough nights will dissuade others from expressing their bigotry. It's a thin line.