Is it possible to persuade the SCOK to hurry up with the judgment?

[Kadame7]

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On fb, some people are saying he is ready to fire Chiloba and crew but needs something to rely on. The judgment would make it easier. Word is he's very eager to redeem himself. I think every effort should be availed him to do this by providing him with the detailed judgment. Another suggestion I've seen on tweerrer is that He should replace the old bungling R.0.s and P.Os with head teachers of schools at the various polling stations country wide who can get training quickly. What do y'all think?

The IEBC should open its servers for maximum scrutiny though and forward names to the DPP of all those associated with the nefarious activities and seek the help of international experts who would never soil their reputation for Kenya to come in and get on with checks and other systems.

I have seen a clip on France 24 with the lady Head of the EU observers' group who's a member of the European Parliament where she was asked if she saw any signs of fear or intimidation among the IEBC commissioners when she was in Kenya. Her answer was sly and cautious but she said: Obviously Msando's death would have sent chills down their spine. If they saw things this way, how did they rush to give a stamp of approval then? I'm confused.

[vooke]

There's a rumor that NASWA already have the judgement
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/09/06/nasa-is-privy-to-the-full-supreme-court-ruling-jubilee-says_c1630142

[Kadame7]

There's a rumor that NASWA already have the judgement
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/09/06/nasa-is-privy-to-the-full-supreme-court-ruling-jubilee-says_c1630142

 

This is so obviously not a 'rumour' but transparent Jubilee propaganda after the Nation (and the Judges who spoke to their investigative journalists) exposed Jubilee shenanigans last week. The embarrassment must really sting. As if those judges would risk this with the drunken sore loser president ranting at them all weekend long and past. But it's a nice try on their part. At worst, they are attempting to tell the court what to say in the judgment. The nerve. Its actually much more likely that THEY know whats in it or are anticipating it in order to pre-empt its impact.

[Kichwa]

Exactly.

There's a rumor that NASWA already have the judgement
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/09/06/nasa-is-privy-to-the-full-supreme-court-ruling-jubilee-says_c1630142

 

This is so obviously not a 'rumour' but transparent Jubilee propaganda after the Nation (and the Judges who spoke to their investigative journalists) exposed Jubilee shenanigans last week. The embarrassment must really sting. As if those judges would risk this with the drunken sore loser president ranting at them all weekend long and past. But it's a nice try on their part. At worst, they are attempting to tell the court what to say in the judgment. The nerve. Its actually much more likely that THEY know whats in it or are anticipating it in order to pre-empt its impact.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

On fb, some people are saying he is ready to fire Chiloba and crew but needs something to rely on. The judgment would make it easier. Word is he's very eager to redeem himself. I think every effort should be availed him to do this by providing him with the detailed judgment. Another suggestion I've seen on tweerrer is that He should replace the old bungling R.0.s and P.Os with head teachers of schools at the various polling stations country wide who can get training quickly. What do y'all think?

The IEBC should open its servers for maximum scrutiny though and forward names to the DPP of all those associated with the nefarious activities and seek the help of international experts who would never soil their reputation for Kenya to come in and get on with checks and other systems.

I have seen a clip on France 24 with the lady Head of the EU observers' group who's a member of the European Parliament where she was asked if she saw any signs of fear or intimidation among the IEBC commissioners when she was in Kenya. Her answer was sly and cautious but she said: Obviously Msando's death would have sent chills down their spine. If they saw things this way, how did they rush to give a stamp of approval then? I'm confused.

Does he need to wait for a reason to fire Chiloba?  I think the fact is Chiloba has a vested interest in NASA's loss.  He cannot be considered a neutral player.  Not after NASA successfully exposed his organization and himself by extension as frauds.  He knows if they succeed in the rerun, his job is on the chopping block with the possibility of prosecution.  That probably goes for quite a few others in IEBC, including possibly Chebukati himself. 

It would be nice if they all resign.  But Chebukati should not even consider unilaterally resigning by himself because he would be replaced by an even more dubious character.

[vooke]

There's a rumor that NASWA already have the judgement
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/09/06/nasa-is-privy-to-the-full-supreme-court-ruling-jubilee-says_c1630142

 

This is so obviously not a 'rumour' but transparent Jubilee propaganda after the Nation (and the Judges who spoke to their investigative journalists) exposed Jubilee shenanigans last week. The embarrassment must really sting. As if those judges would risk this with the drunken sore loser president ranting at them all weekend long and past. But it's a nice try on their part. At worst, they are attempting to tell the court what to say in the judgment. The nerve. Its actually much more likely that THEY know whats in it or are anticipating it in order to pre-empt its impact.

Rumors and propaganda are not mutually exclusive. I just can't see any value this adds to Jubilee. If the idea is to portray NASWA as having SCOK moles, it's a tad stupid

The loss was humiliating. No prizes for guessing so

[Kadame7]

There's a rumor that NASWA already have the judgement
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/09/06/nasa-is-privy-to-the-full-supreme-court-ruling-jubilee-says_c1630142

 

This is so obviously not a 'rumour' but transparent Jubilee propaganda after the Nation (and the Judges who spoke to their investigative journalists) exposed Jubilee shenanigans last week. The embarrassment must really sting. As if those judges would risk this with the drunken sore loser president ranting at them all weekend long and past. But it's a nice try on their part. At worst, they are attempting to tell the court what to say in the judgment. The nerve. Its actually much more likely that THEY know whats in it or are anticipating it in order to pre-empt its impact.

Rumors and propaganda are not mutually exclusive. I just can't see any value this adds to Jubilee. If the idea is to portray NASWA as having SCOK moles, it's a tad stupid

The loss was humiliating. No prizes for guessing so

'Rumours' implies its not obviously a made up story like this one  The loss wasn't humiliating so much as it was painful, which is pretty normal and understandable. What was humiliating or at least highly embarrassing was exposure of their attempts to manipulate the judgment. This is what they are countering here with another predictable "They are dirty too, just like us!" It serves the ongoing agenda of discrediting the court and judgment, threatening the judges, and smearing their political opponents all at once.

[vooke]

There's a rumor that NASWA already have the judgement
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/09/06/nasa-is-privy-to-the-full-supreme-court-ruling-jubilee-says_c1630142

 

This is so obviously not a 'rumour' but transparent Jubilee propaganda after the Nation (and the Judges who spoke to their investigative journalists) exposed Jubilee shenanigans last week. The embarrassment must really sting. As if those judges would risk this with the drunken sore loser president ranting at them all weekend long and past. But it's a nice try on their part. At worst, they are attempting to tell the court what to say in the judgment. The nerve. Its actually much more likely that THEY know whats in it or are anticipating it in order to pre-empt its impact.

Rumors and propaganda are not mutually exclusive. I just can't see any value this adds to Jubilee. If the idea is to portray NASWA as having SCOK moles, it's a tad stupid

The loss was humiliating. No prizes for guessing so

'Rumours' implies its not obviously a made up story like this one  The loss wasn't humiliating so much as it was painful, which is pretty normal and understandable. What was humiliating or at least highly embarrassing was exposure of their attempts to manipulate the judgment. This is what they are countering here with another predictable "They are dirty too, just like us!" It serves the ongoing agenda of discrediting the court and judgment, threatening the judges, and smearing their political opponents all at once.

Possible. But attempts smear Judiciary and especially SCOK by linking them to NASWA predate this petition and in fact the 'exposure'.



Rumors are just unverified accounts. They are 'made up' if there's positive evidence somebody intentionally lied or they turn out false.

I can't read anymore into this other than one of Jubilee's systematic attacks on Judiciary. As for motives, your guess is as bad as mine

[Kadame7]

There's a rumor that NASWA already have the judgement
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/09/06/nasa-is-privy-to-the-full-supreme-court-ruling-jubilee-says_c1630142

 

This is so obviously not a 'rumour' but transparent Jubilee propaganda after the Nation (and the Judges who spoke to their investigative journalists) exposed Jubilee shenanigans last week. The embarrassment must really sting. As if those judges would risk this with the drunken sore loser president ranting at them all weekend long and past. But it's a nice try on their part. At worst, they are attempting to tell the court what to say in the judgment. The nerve. Its actually much more likely that THEY know whats in it or are anticipating it in order to pre-empt its impact.

Rumors and propaganda are not mutually exclusive. I just can't see any value this adds to Jubilee. If the idea is to portray NASWA as having SCOK moles, it's a tad stupid

The loss was humiliating. No prizes for guessing so

'Rumours' implies its not obviously a made up story like this one  The loss wasn't humiliating so much as it was painful, which is pretty normal and understandable. What was humiliating or at least highly embarrassing was exposure of their attempts to manipulate the judgment. This is what they are countering here with another predictable "They are dirty too, just like us!" It serves the ongoing agenda of discrediting the court and judgment, threatening the judges, and smearing their political opponents all at once.

Possible. But attempts smear Judiciary and especially SCOK by linking them to NASWA predate this petition and in fact the 'exposure'.



Rumors are just unverified accounts. They are 'made up' if there's positive evidence somebody intentionally lied or they turn out false.

I can't read anymore into this other than one of Jubilee's systematic attacks on Judiciary. As for motives, your guess is as bad as mine

I don't really see that we are saying anything substantially different. It seems you may have taken offense at my objection to using the word 'rumour'. It wasn't personal. When I hear 'rumours' I generally think of things which are equally likely to be true or false. For example, Obama's teenaged daughters being paged while at the White House (something once spread on the internet) was far less rumourish than tabloidish to me. Or Obama not being American but Kenyan. That was my meaning. It doesn't matter though. I just thought propaganda was a more suitable term for the content of that report which is far more likely to be deliberate Jubilee lies with the exposed Murkomen up front than it is to be truth-telling, all things considered.

[vooke]

There's a rumor that NASWA already have the judgement
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/09/06/nasa-is-privy-to-the-full-supreme-court-ruling-jubilee-says_c1630142

 

This is so obviously not a 'rumour' but transparent Jubilee propaganda after the Nation (and the Judges who spoke to their investigative journalists) exposed Jubilee shenanigans last week. The embarrassment must really sting. As if those judges would risk this with the drunken sore loser president ranting at them all weekend long and past. But it's a nice try on their part. At worst, they are attempting to tell the court what to say in the judgment. The nerve. Its actually much more likely that THEY know whats in it or are anticipating it in order to pre-empt its impact.

Rumors and propaganda are not mutually exclusive. I just can't see any value this adds to Jubilee. If the idea is to portray NASWA as having SCOK moles, it's a tad stupid

The loss was humiliating. No prizes for guessing so

'Rumours' implies its not obviously a made up story like this one  The loss wasn't humiliating so much as it was painful, which is pretty normal and understandable. What was humiliating or at least highly embarrassing was exposure of their attempts to manipulate the judgment. This is what they are countering here with another predictable "They are dirty too, just like us!" It serves the ongoing agenda of discrediting the court and judgment, threatening the judges, and smearing their political opponents all at once.

Possible. But attempts smear Judiciary and especially SCOK by linking them to NASWA predate this petition and in fact the 'exposure'.



Rumors are just unverified accounts. They are 'made up' if there's positive evidence somebody intentionally lied or they turn out false.

I can't read anymore into this other than one of Jubilee's systematic attacks on Judiciary. As for motives, your guess is as bad as mine

I don't really see that we are saying anything substantially different. It seems you may have taken offense at my objection to using the word 'rumour'. It wasn't personal. When I hear 'rumours' I generally think of things which are equally likely to be true or false. For example, Obama's teenaged daughters being paged while at the White House (something once spread on the internet) was far less rumourish than tabloidish to me. That was m meaning. It doesn't matter though. I just thought propaganda was a more suitable term for the content of that report which is far more likely to be deliberate Jubilee lies with the exposed Murkomen up front than it is to be truth-telling, all things considered.

Sure, rumors,propaganda are all unsubstantiated stuff. Propaganda sounds more organized and goal oriented while rumors could be anything from honest disinformation to silly prank.
 
Difference is your perceived motive.
To you, Jubilee is after moral equivalence while I think the target is actually SCOK. That's why I said your guess is as bad as mine.

The influence peddling story is days old and Jubilee did absolutely nothing about it in the following days. The story is not gaining currency so I don't see anything that would prompt them to out of blues get on defense. NASWA funnily is not exploiting it at least not yet.


PS
There's is nothing offensive or offense-worthy in either term, just not convinced you should depart from one for the other

[Kadame7]

Sure, rumors,propaganda are all unsubstantiated stuff. Propaganda sounds more organized and goal oriented while rumors could be anything from honest disinformation to silly prank.
 
Difference is your perceived motive.
To you, Jubilee is after moral equivalence while I think the target is actually SCOK. That's why I said your guess is as bad as mine.

The influence peddling story is days old and Jubilee did absolutely nothing about it in the following days. The story is not gaining currency so I don't see anything that would prompt them to out of blues get on defense. NASWA funnily is not exploiting it at least not yet.


PS
There's is nothing offensive or offense-worthy in either term, just not convinced you should depart from one for the other

Ok. But just to restate my position, I see both motives, not just one.