Obama anti corruption laws are bad news to African oligarchs

[Globalcitizen12]

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[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

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Madueke a ruthless Igbo thief, makes our own dear Waiguru look amateurish by comparison.  Did she recover from cancer?

[Globalcitizen12]

No she is still getting court  ordered vacations to go get treated abroad. It was said she had a ex marital affair with goodluck. She will dead in a few years. She been ravaged by cancer. I wonder why Obama never used this law to take on Russian oligarchs?

[Nefertiti]

The trouble with current international anti-corruption laws is manifold

1. Requires that charges be instituted by affected state. This should be changed to allow individuals, NGO's, etc
2. No proper law covers international jurisdictions for economic crimes unlike human rights abuses. A Geneva Convention on corruption would be useful such that it does not rely on bipartisan agreements
3. Western powers are not obliged to monitor/capture illegal cashflows & assets. The convention in 2 above would oblige signatories to act

Am sure NSA, MI6, Mossad, etc know all about African and Russian thieves but do not care about them especially as the money ends up in their economies. That's how they are able to capture terrorists, enforce sanctions, what not.

Bottomline - no political will to tackle international graft

[MOON Ki]

The trouble with current international anti-corruption laws is manifold

1. Requires that charges be instituted by affected state. This should be changed to allow individuals, NGO's, etc
2. No proper law covers international jurisdictions for economic crimes unlike human rights abuses. A Geneva Convention on corruption would be useful such that it does not rely on bipartisan agreements
3. Western powers are not obliged to monitor/capture illegal cashflows & assets. The convention in 2 above would oblige signatories to act

Am sure NSA, MI6, Mossad, etc know all about African and Russian thieves but do not care about them especially as the money ends up in their economies. That's how they are able to capture terrorists, enforce sanctions, what not.

Bottomline - no political will to tackle international graft

Would the thieves in a place like Kenya stop stealing just because their loot might get confiscated fi they stashed it outside Kenya?   I doubt it.   I think the political will to tackle graft has to start locally before the international aspect can have a real impact.   

Here is an interesting case: The USA has for some time been sitting on a nice chunk of change---around $500 million--recovered from the Abacha hoard, refusing to return it until the Nigerians can explain exactly how (and in what traceable manner) it will be spent.   Why?   Because the last time anyone returned a big chunk of stolen money to Nigeria, it promptly got re-stolen.   At some point the Nigerians have to start helping themselves.

By the way, there is a UN Convention on Corruption:

The United Nations Convention against Corruption is the only legally binding universal anti-corruption instrument. The Convention's far-reaching approach and the mandatory character of many of its provisions make it a unique tool for developing a comprehensive response to a global problem. The Convention covers five main areas: preventive measures, criminalization and law enforcement, international cooperation, asset recovery, and technical assistance and information exchange. The Convention covers many different forms of corruption, such as bribery, trading in influence, abuse of functions, and various acts of corruption in the private sector. A highlight of the Convention is the inclusion of a specific chapter on asset recovery, aimed at returning assets to their rightful owners, including countries from which they had been taken illicitly. The vast majority of United Nations Member States are parties to the Convention.

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/treaties/CAC/

[Nefertiti]

Dear MOON Ki,

I stand corrected. On local political will, I have suggested in the past that outsourcing key elements of the justice system to "expats" from civilized cultures mighty do us some good. I recall getting lukewarm to outright invectives in response. It took the verge of a precipice to get the new constitution. I wonder what it would take to get to such a level of reform.

[Globalcitizen12]

Jesus Christ
I asked a Burmese why women, after centuries of following their men, now walk ahead. He said there were many unexploded land mines since the war. ~ Robert Mueller, US Lawyer

[Nefertiti]

If you ignore Pundit's confusion you will note only 1 county (Kirinyaga) is guaranteed a female governor. Bomet and Machakos are tossup. It seems the mighty women are falling for the Women Rep trap which I consider a Burmese landmine.

Jesus Christ
I asked a Burmese why women, after centuries of following their men, now walk ahead. He said there were many unexploded land mines since the war. ~ Robert Mueller, US Lawyer

[Globalcitizen12]

Yeah there are several women out there I think can make it as Mupigs but are comfortable to be women reps.. I think Nyeri women rep Nyokabi can win a MP seat may be outside Nyeri like in Nairobi. It is tough for women especially in a treacherous environment like Kenya ..Only sly foxes like Ngilu are able to con their way and survive

[MOON Ki]

Dear MOON Ki,

I stand corrected. On local political will, I have suggested in the past that outsourcing key elements of the justice system to "expats" from civilized cultures mighty do us some good. I recall getting lukewarm to outright invectives in response. It took the verge of a precipice to get the new constitution. I wonder what it would take to get to such a level of reform.

The lukewarm response etc would not have come from me.    I'm actually in favour of going much farther: outsource the key elements of government, or perhaps even all of it, and leave the wananchi to focus on "enjoying" life.   

Terminator too has sometimes proposed what you suggest.  E.g.

One option might be to consider outsourcing the handling of corruption cases to external entities.  Some foreign country.

http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=1851.msg12271#msg12271

The prospects don't look great.   I think we'll continue to stumble along until things get really bad.  The boiling point will probably be when all the hungry, unemployed youth realize that they are getting conned by the kula-nyama lot.   

[RV Pundit]

Yeap this would a step towards curbing international graft.
The trouble with current international anti-corruption laws is manifold

1. Requires that charges be instituted by affected state. This should be changed to allow individuals, NGO's, etc
2. No proper law covers international jurisdictions for economic crimes unlike human rights abuses. A Geneva Convention on corruption would be useful such that it does not rely on bipartisan agreements
3. Western powers are not obliged to monitor/capture illegal cashflows & assets. The convention in 2 above would oblige signatories to act

Am sure NSA, MI6, Mossad, etc know all about African and Russian thieves but do not care about them especially as the money ends up in their economies. That's how they are able to capture terrorists, enforce sanctions, what not.

Bottomline - no political will to tackle international graft

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[Globalcitizen12]

Moonki.
There will be never a revolution in Kenya.. the youth of today will age and retreat back to the village become toothless and continue with tribal dirges every 5 years.. This is a proven life cycle of the African peasant.. Gets educated, has no job, hustles in the city as youngman, moves back to the village in middle age and becomes a "elder statesman" elevated to duties such as chairing funeral committees, dowry negotiations, political brokerage and marital disputes hearing.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Dear MOON Ki,

I stand corrected. On local political will, I have suggested in the past that outsourcing key elements of the justice system to "expats" from civilized cultures mighty do us some good. I recall getting lukewarm to outright invectives in response. It took the verge of a precipice to get the new constitution. I wonder what it would take to get to such a level of reform.

That is something I too have suggested.  Investigations, prosecutions, and even jailing.  The fees for the costs coming from a portion of the recovered proceeds.  I thought Jersey would be a nice candidate for that type of work.

It's not practical to expect Goldenbeg, Angloleasing, and similar scandals to be competently handled and solved by Kenyans.  We don't have the institutional maturity.

[Nefertiti]

I wonder what's 'vintage' about an assassin. That proponents of transparency should do so in anonymity. Smh