Tinga Magufuli - jailing opposition leaders - what you expect Raila will do.

[Kichwa]

You can call Gor and its fans all you want but do not use that to attack all luos. I am sure you know that All luos are not all Gor Supporters but you are just saying that because you think its cute.

[vooke]

You can call Gor and its fans all you want but do not use that to attack all luos. I am sure you know that All luos are not all Gor Supporters but you are just saying that because you think its cute.

Of course all are not, but that recklessness is the same I see in Kibra and Luo Nyanza.

Profuse apologies for offense but I'm not withdrawing.....and nor, it's not a stereotype

[Kichwa]

Tribalist Idiots like you are best ignored.

That's an insult and not a message. Actually it reflects more on you as a person than on the people you think you are trying to demean.  I wonder how many points you scored with your luo hating club by making that idiotic statement. Why don't you ask Tuju that silly question.

VOOKE: You are a bigger idiot than I thought possible. No wonder Omollo has no tolerance for your nonsense. 

I'm not sure if it's Luos who are violent or Raila or both. I have said I dread running into Gor fans regardless of whether they are going to or coming from a match and regardless of the score lines.

That recklessness is what I see in Nyanza; easily excitable masses. Raila's strengths seems to be in stirring it up. The guys who refused to pay rent just because he was appointed minister.

So I was tickled when I saw him asking to rein in his supporters in Thika while distancing himself from Kisumu.

Someone (a Luo) once hypothesized that they may have higher testosterone levels on average like the Igbo people.

Shoot the messenger after reading the message

Running away from facts. Ask Nairobians; everyone including Luos dread Gor Mahia goons.

[Nefertiti]

I don't think Gor fans represent the Luo any more than Mungiki represent the Kikuyu or Al Shaabab the Somali. Those are stereotypes which are best ignored. We are different based on our ethnicities, backgrounds and skillsets. There is power in diversity. Even on this board if we all subscribe to the same creed or party it would be brain-dead boring.

[Kadame5]

I don't think Gor fans represent the Luo any more than Mungiki represent the Kikuyu or Al Shaabab the Somali. Those are stereotypes which are best ignored. We are different based on our ethnicities, backgrounds and skillsets. There is power in diversity. Even on this board if we all subscribe to the same creed or party it would be brain-dead boring.

Yep! Honestly, my Luo inlaws are the most wangwana people I know in real life. Have none of the loud opinionated arguing that's everpresent in the Gusii side. In fact, I don't know any real life Gor fan though I have know TONNES of Luos, from when I was in nursery to my present age. Tonnes and tonnes.

Now, Kibra is a slum. And those people referred to in 'Nyanza' are always a bunch of poor youth, male to be precise, in political rallies. Apparently they are representative of Luos. Then wild Kyuk youth are representative of Kyuks? No representative sampling of normal Luo folk has been presented by vooke, that's where he gets off on the wrong foot. All the Luos living in Nairobi Estates and mashambani, yaani normal people, are missing from his 'eftense'. A skewed sampling can make any group in this world, even bazungu, look barbaric or primitive.

[Nefertiti]

Yep! Honestly, my Luo inlaws are the most wangwana people I know in real life. Have none of the loud opinionated arguing that's everpresent in the Gusii side. In fact, I don't know any real life Gor fan though I have know TONNES of Luos, from when I was in nursery to my present age. Tonnes and tonnes.

Now, Kibra is a slum. And those people referred to in 'Nyanza' are always a bunch of poor youth, male to be precise, in political rallies. Apparently they are representative of Luos. Then wild Kyuk youth are representative of Kyuks? No representative sampling of normal Luo folk has been presented by vooke, that's where he gets off on the wrong foot. All the Luos living in Nairobi Estates and mashambani, yaani normal people, are missing from his 'eftense'. A skewed sampling can make any group in this world, even bazungu, look barbaric or primitive.

Slum [gang] violence is driven by poverty and survivalist mentality. It's circumstantial -- not ethnic. If you went by vooke's narrative the Pokot and Turkana would be the violent tribes. How many people die in cattle rustling - in Baringo, Laikipia, etc compared to Kibra or Kisumu? vooke has tribal filters and an axe to grind.

[vooke]

Yep! Honestly, my Luo inlaws are the most wangwana people I know in real life. Have none of the loud opinionated arguing that's everpresent in the Gusii side. In fact, I don't know any real life Gor fan though I have know TONNES of Luos, from when I was in nursery to my present age. Tonnes and tonnes.

Now, Kibra is a slum. And those people referred to in 'Nyanza' are always a bunch of poor youth, male to be precise, in political rallies. Apparently they are representative of Luos. Then wild Kyuk youth are representative of Kyuks? No representative sampling of normal Luo folk has been presented by vooke, that's where he gets off on the wrong foot. All the Luos living in Nairobi Estates and mashambani, yaani normal people, are missing from his 'eftense'. A skewed sampling can make any group in this world, even bazungu, look barbaric or primitive.

Slum [gang] violence is driven by poverty and survivalist mentality. It's circumstantial -- not ethnic. If you went by vooke's narrative the Pokot and Turkana would be the violent tribes. How many people die in cattle rustling - in Baringo, Laikipia, etc compared to Kibra or Kisumu? vooke has tribal filters and an axe to grind.

Gor fans are drawn from all over. Did you see the crowd in Tanzania?
Repeat, try to run into them shielding yourself with these academic points and see how far you'll get.

Luhyas/AFC? The best hooligans ever. Polite to a fault.

[Kichwa]

Given the general level of education and exposure on this board we should be way beyond these silly stereotypes.  Pundit predicted that Ourutu did not rig in 2013 and that 2017 would be a walk over for them.  I remember when they said that 2017 was not even worth discussing and that we should focus on 2022.  He never saw the revitalized opposition coming.  Two weeks to 8/8 all the scientific and non-scientific markers are showing that this is a close race with the opposition maintaining its momentum.  This is worrisome to pundit and therefore he goes back to the only thing he knows "tribalism".  He predicted arrogantly that tribal politics will rule for another 100 years, however, its now becoming obvious that ourutu cannot ngorota hoping that the tribal numbers will work their "magic" again.  Unlike Pundit, ourutu seems to understand that tribe alone does not work and that is why they are running around the country issuing tittle deeds, promising heaven on earth, forgiving all kinds of debts, and using all kinds of underhanded tactics to win. 

Yep! Honestly, my Luo inlaws are the most wangwana people I know in real life. Have none of the loud opinionated arguing that's everpresent in the Gusii side. In fact, I don't know any real life Gor fan though I have know TONNES of Luos, from when I was in nursery to my present age. Tonnes and tonnes.

Now, Kibra is a slum. And those people referred to in 'Nyanza' are always a bunch of poor youth, male to be precise, in political rallies. Apparently they are representative of Luos. Then wild Kyuk youth are representative of Kyuks? No representative sampling of normal Luo folk has been presented by vooke, that's where he gets off on the wrong foot. All the Luos living in Nairobi Estates and mashambani, yaani normal people, are missing from his 'eftense'. A skewed sampling can make any group in this world, even bazungu, look barbaric or primitive.

Slum [gang] violence is driven by poverty and survivalist mentality. It's circumstantial -- not ethnic. If you went by vooke's narrative the Pokot and Turkana would be the violent tribes. How many people die in cattle rustling - in Baringo, Laikipia, etc compared to Kibra or Kisumu? vooke has tribal filters and an axe to grind.

[Omollo]

Pundit appears to be ignorant about Kenya's history. If he took time off trying to invest looted money and admire the thieves he has absolved all because they invest in Kenya, he would probably find time to read and comprehend our history.

Raila did not force Luos to support him. He partially inherited their support and later enhanced it spreading it far and wide. Raila is no longer a Luo candidate but a candidate for multiple tribes (if I may go that way) to name some:

Luo, Luhya, Miji Kenda, Kamba, Turkana, Kikuyu, Meru, Tharaka,  etc

Now it is impossible to be a tribal bigot promoting ethnic hegemony and be admired and loved by people outside that tribe. That is exactly what Uhuru is suffering from. He thought he could cheat the other people while exclusively courting his own tribe.

If Pundit were to read Colin Leys, Underdevelopment in Kenya. The Political Economy of Neo-Colonialism he would find the following:

[vooke]

Given the general level of education and exposure on this board we should be way beyond these silly stereotypes.  Pundit predicted that Ourutu did not rig in 2013 and that 2017 would be a walk over for them.  I remember when they said that 2017 was not even worth discussing and that we should focus on 2022.  He never saw the revitalized opposition coming.  Two weeks to 8/8 all the scientific and non-scientific markers are showing that this is a close race with the opposition maintaining its momentum.  This is worrisome to pundit and therefore he goes back to the only thing he knows "tribalism".  He predicted arrogantly that tribal politics will rule for another 100 years, however, its now becoming obvious that ourutu cannot ngorota hoping that the tribal numbers will work their "magic" again.  Unlike Pundit, ourutu seems to understand that tribe alone does not work and that is why they are running around the country issuing tittle deeds, promising heaven on earth, forgiving all kinds of debts, and using all kinds of underhanded tactics to win. 

Yep! Honestly, my Luo inlaws are the most wangwana people I know in real life. Have none of the loud opinionated arguing that's everpresent in the Gusii side. In fact, I don't know any real life Gor fan though I have know TONNES of Luos, from when I was in nursery to my present age. Tonnes and tonnes.

Now, Kibra is a slum. And those people referred to in 'Nyanza' are always a bunch of poor youth, male to be precise, in political rallies. Apparently they are representative of Luos. Then wild Kyuk youth are representative of Kyuks? No representative sampling of normal Luo folk has been presented by vooke, that's where he gets off on the wrong foot. All the Luos living in Nairobi Estates and mashambani, yaani normal people, are missing from his 'eftense'. A skewed sampling can make any group in this world, even bazungu, look barbaric or primitive.

Slum [gang] violence is driven by poverty and survivalist mentality. It's circumstantial -- not ethnic. If you went by vooke's narrative the Pokot and Turkana would be the violent tribes. How many people die in cattle rustling - in Baringo, Laikipia, etc compared to Kibra or Kisumu? vooke has tribal filters and an axe to grind.

Wishful thinking. Tribe it is for the next foreseeable future.

But county level downwards we are seeing issue-based politics

[Kichwa]

You have to realize that Pundit for propaganda purposes wants to hoodwink all of us to be believe that Kenyans only vote along tribal lines.  This false narrative is very important  to them  because it is consistent with  the myth of "tyranny of numbers" which in turn makes it easy to rig and to keep the Kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance together because it guarantees winning and therefore power/loot sharing between two tribes instead of the other 42.   He therefore creates MOAS, which is actually a smoke screen to shield your eyes while the rigging is being carried out.  NASA's hyper sensitivity to rigging has really slowed them down especially the ruling against cooking results at Bomas.  They are now trying to use Matiangi to bulldoze their way through.

Pundit appears to be ignorant about Kenya's history. If he took time off trying to invest looted money and admire the thieves he has absolved all because they invest in Kenya, he would probably find time to read and comprehend our history.

Raila did not force Luos to support him. He partially inherited their support and later enhanced it spreading it far and wide. Raila is no longer a Luo candidate but a candidate for multiple tribes (if I may go that way) to name some:

Luo, Luhya, Miji Kenda, Kamba, Turkana, Kikuyu, Meru, Tharaka,  etc

Now it is impossible to be a tribal bigot promoting ethnic hegemony and be admired and loved by people outside that tribe. That is exactly what Uhuru is suffering from. He thought he could cheat the other people while exclusively courting his own tribe.

If Pundit were to read Colin Leys, Underdevelopment in Kenya. The Political Economy of Neo-Colonialism he would find the following:

[Kichwa]

Who is saying that tribe will disappear?.

Given the general level of education and exposure on this board we should be way beyond these silly stereotypes.  Pundit predicted that Ourutu did not rig in 2013 and that 2017 would be a walk over for them.  I remember when they said that 2017 was not even worth discussing and that we should focus on 2022.  He never saw the revitalized opposition coming.  Two weeks to 8/8 all the scientific and non-scientific markers are showing that this is a close race with the opposition maintaining its momentum.  This is worrisome to pundit and therefore he goes back to the only thing he knows "tribalism".  He predicted arrogantly that tribal politics will rule for another 100 years, however, its now becoming obvious that ourutu cannot ngorota hoping that the tribal numbers will work their "magic" again.  Unlike Pundit, ourutu seems to understand that tribe alone does not work and that is why they are running around the country issuing tittle deeds, promising heaven on earth, forgiving all kinds of debts, and using all kinds of underhanded tactics to win. 

Yep! Honestly, my Luo inlaws are the most wangwana people I know in real life. Have none of the loud opinionated arguing that's everpresent in the Gusii side. In fact, I don't know any real life Gor fan though I have know TONNES of Luos, from when I was in nursery to my present age. Tonnes and tonnes.

Now, Kibra is a slum. And those people referred to in 'Nyanza' are always a bunch of poor youth, male to be precise, in political rallies. Apparently they are representative of Luos. Then wild Kyuk youth are representative of Kyuks? No representative sampling of normal Luo folk has been presented by vooke, that's where he gets off on the wrong foot. All the Luos living in Nairobi Estates and mashambani, yaani normal people, are missing from his 'eftense'. A skewed sampling can make any group in this world, even bazungu, look barbaric or primitive.

Slum [gang] violence is driven by poverty and survivalist mentality. It's circumstantial -- not ethnic. If you went by vooke's narrative the Pokot and Turkana would be the violent tribes. How many people die in cattle rustling - in Baringo, Laikipia, etc compared to Kibra or Kisumu? vooke has tribal filters and an axe to grind.

Wishful thinking. Tribe it is for the next foreseeable future.

But county level downwards we are seeing issue-based politics

[vooke]

Who is saying that tribe will disappear?.

Given the general level of education and exposure on this board we should be way beyond these silly stereotypes.  Pundit predicted that Ourutu did not rig in 2013 and that 2017 would be a walk over for them.  I remember when they said that 2017 was not even worth discussing and that we should focus on 2022.  He never saw the revitalized opposition coming.  Two weeks to 8/8 all the scientific and non-scientific markers are showing that this is a close race with the opposition maintaining its momentum.  This is worrisome to pundit and therefore he goes back to the only thing he knows "tribalism".  He predicted arrogantly that tribal politics will rule for another 100 years, however, its now becoming obvious that ourutu cannot ngorota hoping that the tribal numbers will work their "magic" again.  Unlike Pundit, ourutu seems to understand that tribe alone does not work and that is why they are running around the country issuing tittle deeds, promising heaven on earth, forgiving all kinds of debts, and using all kinds of underhanded tactics to win. 

Yep! Honestly, my Luo inlaws are the most wangwana people I know in real life. Have none of the loud opinionated arguing that's everpresent in the Gusii side. In fact, I don't know any real life Gor fan though I have know TONNES of Luos, from when I was in nursery to my present age. Tonnes and tonnes.

Now, Kibra is a slum. And those people referred to in 'Nyanza' are always a bunch of poor youth, male to be precise, in political rallies. Apparently they are representative of Luos. Then wild Kyuk youth are representative of Kyuks? No representative sampling of normal Luo folk has been presented by vooke, that's where he gets off on the wrong foot. All the Luos living in Nairobi Estates and mashambani, yaani normal people, are missing from his 'eftense'. A skewed sampling can make any group in this world, even bazungu, look barbaric or primitive.

Slum [gang] violence is driven by poverty and survivalist mentality. It's circumstantial -- not ethnic. If you went by vooke's narrative the Pokot and Turkana would be the violent tribes. How many people die in cattle rustling - in Baringo, Laikipia, etc compared to Kibra or Kisumu? vooke has tribal filters and an axe to grind.

Wishful thinking. Tribe it is for the next foreseeable future.

But county level downwards we are seeing issue-based politics

Tribe as a factor in presidential elections is not about to go nowhere