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... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread

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... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread

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... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread

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For once I have to credit to Jacob Juma for bringing t g e Eurobond scandal to the forefront.  Apparently Juma was killed a day before he met ambassador Bob Godec to give him dossier on Eurobond theft. Godec has been Cosy with Jubilee government, this might be a good time to investigate how much he paid for ambassador appointment.  Remember his history in Tunisia and Arab spring? He could be the cog stalling investigation

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Correction. Shortly after Juma met with Bob & handed him the dossier, Juma was murdered. His involvement with the Arab Spring uprising is questionable.

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I normally respect this Jaindi guy.  I just wish he could have stayed away from the Audit Vault adventure - it makes him look bad and makes me wonder how much he can be trusted in the other areas that he touches upon in which I may not have a good grasp. 
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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I normally respect this Jaindi guy.  I just wish he could have stayed away from the Audit Vault adventure - it makes him look bad and makes me wonder how much he can be trusted in the other areas that he touches upon in which I may not have a good grasp. 

When a database becomes an engine that runs something, you know there are serious problems.   
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A very dangerous govt. that needs to be clipped.

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I normally respect this Jaindi guy.  I just wish he could have stayed away from the Audit Vault adventure - it makes him look bad and makes me wonder how much he can be trusted in the other areas that he touches upon in which I may not have a good grasp. 

When a database becomes an engine that runs something, you know there are serious problems.   

Yep.  The man is right that corruption is bad news.  Bad he hurts his story by trying to make it seem more complicated than it really is.  There is nothing particularly secret or even technologically sophisticated about the happenings in NYS and others.  And Audit Vault is not even needed to tell you what is on IFMIS.  It makes you wonder how much other stuff he makes up in his other stories where he might be considered some sort of expert.
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Gaidi kisero is just a hatchet man doing bidding for tender preneurs..wait until you hear in the next budget the astronomical amount of money that will be used to update IFMIS.....all this is by design,  Gaidi kisero is like a Northern star pointing where the next heist will happen and of course he gets his 'prepping' cut upfront.  Nyakundi has done a good job exposing these thieves.

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Termie has not done much to explain his reaction to the article.

The technical issues aside, I saw Kisero trying to explain why Ouko is being threatened with a Kangaroo Process.
... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread

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Termie has not done much to explain his reaction to the article.

The technical issues aside, I saw Kisero trying to explain why Ouko is being threatened with a Kangaroo Process.

I got sidetracked by his ramblings on Audit Vault.  Things like that can drown out a real message like the Kangaroo process he talks about.  Especially since he has made it seem as if the EACC is after Ouko because they are scared of the Audit Vault.  You would need Audit Vault if something somehow got changed in the database while bypassing IFMIS which has not been an issue as far I can tell.  It's a useful tool, but its capabilities are not the reason he is being haunted by EACC.  Ouko is not  being harassed so much because he knows about corruption but that recently he seems hell bent on investigating it - that's it.  They have no issues with stuff being known.  In Kenya's case, what needs to be known is already in the public domain and was easily found just by looking at the transaction trail.

I know you tend to assume that if one points out a shortcoming or another, that they are speaking for one side or another.  In this case, I am actually pro-Kisero, so I hate to see him talking "with authority" about things he obviously knows nothing about.  It weakens his credibility and can make one wonder if he should be taken seriously in other areas where he is a genuine authority.
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Termie has not done much to explain his reaction to the article.

The technical issues aside, I saw Kisero trying to explain why Ouko is being threatened with a Kangaroo Process.

Here, the technical issues cannot be put aside, because the failure or inability to understand them has led your man to an incorrect conclusion on why Ouko is "being threatened":

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They will also allow him to see and recover any financial information and data that may have been deleted by crooked government officials ... Those behind the corrupt networks in control of Ifmis must be shaking in their shoes.

In the lengthy "technical preliminaries", he probably thought he was toboaring as well as enlightening the ignorant.  (He explicitly states the latter.)  I have no doubt that instead he has misinformed many people, who will not even be aware of it (because he is an "expert").    It's an incredibly bad piece of writing, and I astonished that you brought it here.
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In Kenya you are hired not to do your job. Performance died the day Kibaki left office, although I think he could have done more to strenghten institutions. Did you know Kibaki was sued and actually attended a court hearing?

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I concur. I was nudging Termie to complete what he had started. I knew he would address the technical issues which well, forms the gist of the article. I know Jaindi and must say I felt a bit of shame really.  :)

My position remains that Ouko is being targeted for daring to poke his nose in the Eurobond. That is the stuff of International Arrest warrants and freezing of stashed wealth etc. The thieves cannot take chances.

Here, the technical issues cannot be put aside, because the failure or inability to understand them has led your man to an incorrect conclusion on why Ouko is "being threatened":

In the lengthy "technical preliminaries", he probably thought he was toboaring as well as enlightening the ignorant.  (He explicitly states the latter.)  I have no doubt that instead he has misinformed many people, who will not even be aware of it (because he is an "expert").    It's an incredibly bad piece of writing, and I astonished that you brought it here.
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His foray into the technology aspect is so bad... I don't even know how to address it.  You have to peel off layers of ignorance about ignorance before you just give up.
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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Eurobond money never made it to kenya.  Time to petition Trump administration regarding this money. We also need audit on government payment to Podesta family.  Podesta group will be the key to unraveling Eurobond money.

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Eurobond money never made it to kenya.  Time to petition Trump administration regarding this money. We also need audit on government payment to Podesta family.  Podesta group will be the key to unraveling Eurobond money.
With Trump you need no intermediary. Just tweet to him and you could get a live response.
... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread