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Very good news.

Nothing beats the German apprenticeship program.

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Re: Germany to Invest 3 Billion in Technical Skills Training in Kenya
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2016, 05:18:29 PM »
Technical training is a must.  I seriously question the value of many current degree programs, of the liberal arts variety, that money is wasted on.
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Re: Germany to Invest 3 Billion in Technical Skills Training in Kenya
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2016, 05:28:35 PM »
Kenya needs to covert all those "universities" shut down to Technical Colleges.. Blue collar work is what will build Kenya and there is still abundance of this work. everyone ones a corner office but only 5% of the population has this luxury. Is Kenya Polytechnic now a university? Does it offer engineering degrees or technical degrees?

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Re: Germany to Invest 3 Billion in Technical Skills Training in Kenya
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2016, 05:40:00 PM »
Technical training is a must.  I seriously question the value of many current degree programs, of the liberal arts variety, that money is wasted on.

Exactly.

Everybody in Kenya wants to be a doctor, with not a single thought being given on who produces the equipment doctor's need.

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Re: Germany to Invest 3 Billion in Technical Skills Training in Kenya
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2016, 06:44:17 PM »
world needs more liberal arts so thinkers and creators. not many engineers can make stuff and end up doing factory work, just like not many scientists make new drugs and end up doing menial tasks in labs.

it's just a matter of offering degree programs that can combine creativity and engineering.

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Re: Germany to Invest 3 Billion in Technical Skills Training in Kenya
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2016, 06:45:33 PM »
lots of top tech people I know either dropped out of college or have an arts degree. i honestly don't know any successful engineers in tech sector. a lot just end up working for construction companies under the direction of architects (who are arty).

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Re: Germany to Invest 3 Billion in Technical Skills Training in Kenya
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2016, 07:08:25 PM »
world needs more liberal arts so thinkers and creators. not many engineers can make stuff and end up doing factory work, just like not many scientists make new drugs and end up doing menial tasks in labs.

it's just a matter of offering degree programs that can combine creativity and engineering.

I won't argue against that.  Some might be needed.  I am arguing against Ngugi wa Thiong'o, Chinua Achebe types.  The fact that some have even won Nobel prizes tells me we have enough of those.
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Re: Germany to Invest 3 Billion in Technical Skills Training in Kenya
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2016, 07:13:25 PM »
world needs more liberal arts so thinkers and creators. not many engineers can make stuff and end up doing factory work, just like not many scientists make new drugs and end up doing menial tasks in labs.

it's just a matter of offering degree programs that can combine creativity and engineering.

Germany long ago understood that for a country to prosper, they need people willing to do the grunt work, not academicians unwillingly forced to do work they think is beneath them. Put a university graduate in the same position and they'll spend all their time trying to get into an office.



These workers are the backbone of the German machine, honing and more importantly passing on their factory skills to future generations.

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Re: Germany to Invest 3 Billion in Technical Skills Training in Kenya
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2016, 07:18:29 PM »
world needs more liberal arts so thinkers and creators. not many engineers can make stuff and end up doing factory work, just like not many scientists make new drugs and end up doing menial tasks in labs.

it's just a matter of offering degree programs that can combine creativity and engineering.

Germany long ago understood that for a country to prosper, they need people willing to do the grunt work, not academicians unwillingly forced to do work they think is beneath them. Put a university graduate in the same position and they'll spend all their time trying to get into an office.



These workers are the backbone of the German machine, honing their skills with each passing year.

Grunt work is the term I was looking for.  It's not even just Germany.  The US, the west really.  Blue collar is usually fairly well trained guys.  The guy that comes to test your water quality, fix your plumbing, your car, the local pond...right there is an entire economy that has nothing to do with exporting or importing stuff.
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Re: Germany to Invest 3 Billion in Technical Skills Training in Kenya
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2016, 05:11:08 PM »
those blue collar workers didn't go to uni. They are trade professions so via apprenticeships. Often with engineering graduates with hand skills they end up doing an apprenticeship upon realising there aren't many hand jobs for engineers. Those engineers who want to work in an office upon graduation go into sales, then work their way up to managerial positions.

Problem is there are too many formally educated students in professions like engineering, IT that don't match up to what's out there in the job market. Engineering should be offered in colleges not theory like uni, which was the case 30 years ago. Engineering and even IT so telcommunication jobs are man jobs requiring drilling and construction skills neither which are offered at uni. You have all these thin squaky nerds no serious engineering/It manager would hire onsite so most of them end up in sales or call centers.

People who actually run the IT force like the innovators are dropouts with a passion for programming not even 4 years of uni can teach. People who are great at engineering are builders who were on apprenticeships, run their own business, become managers for construction companies. Those engineering and IT degrees are really there to burn out migrant communities, so drain their pockets at the promise of tech high life, then feed them like fodder to run call centers and sales on meagre salaries.

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Re: Germany to Invest 3 Billion in Technical Skills Training in Kenya
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2016, 05:22:19 PM »
The first jobs to go will be factory work like the stuff blue collar workers do, replaced by programmers, police, security, teachers, educators, call centers, sales, healthcare etc. only thing really left in a very futuristic society are thinkers, creative, artists, innovators, ethicists, those professions that keep humanity human. life fresh & sustainable. Basically any job in the public sector is replaceable via machines.