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Re: US told kibaki he never won
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2024, 10:22:47 PM »

What about Ruto who was in Pentagon ? And Chief defender who acknowledged that Kibaki defeated Raila?

Martha is being insincere. She knows very well she and Mathaura presided over election theft.

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Re: US told kibaki he never won
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2024, 10:25:52 PM »
2013 , 2017 and 2022 elections proved that yes indeed Raila lost , come 2027 this will be proven again with Raila being No 2 and Ruto No 3. .

What Kibakis, Muthauras, Marthas, and Kivuitus did in 2007 was asenine. They tainted Kenya and made thousands of Kenyans die, evicted, burned alive, and sustain deep panga cuts just for them to have power. May all suffer eternally. Sad that Kivuitu, on his last day, a few hours before death, admitted they rigged and asked for mercy!
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According to election observers, ballot boxes were stuffed by both sides. In one constituency, Mr Odinga won 100.5 per cent of valid votes. In Maragwa, a constituency with near-total support for Mr Kibaki, turnout was 115 per cent.

When the result was queried the returning officer was allowed to reduce the turnout to a more acceptable figure. Under Kenyan election law votes from that constituency should have been excluded.

Observers also reported that counts were changed by returning officers in local polling centres, as well as staff at the National Electoral Commission in Nairobi, largely to favour the incumbent bidding for re-election. Koki Muli, a senior Kenyan observer, said: "They added 5,000, 10,000, 15,000 – whatever they wanted. It was bizarre. We had results which were quite outrageous."

In some constituencies the total announced for Mr Kibaki at electoral headquarters in Nairobi was higher than that announced at regional tallying centres in the presence of foreign observers. An additional 25,116 votes were added in Molo and 17,677 in Kieni. In North Imenti, Mr Kibaki won 78,684 votes, but official ECK results gave him an extra 5,324. In a handful of constituencies where Mr Odinga was strong, the results were reduced by election commission officials in Nairobi. In Changamwe, Mr Odinga won 28,340 votes to Mr Kibaki's 14,813. However, the official result announced at the election headquarters put Mr Odinga on 17,706 and Mr Kibaki on 9,366, reducing Mr Odinga's lead by 5,187.

Mr Odinga had been leading by more than one million votes after the first day of counting following the 27 December ballot, but after days two and three the gap narrowed as results came in from constituencies where Mr Kibaki's support was strong. Mr Kibaki was declared the winner amid scenes of chaos on 30 December, although later the head of the electoral commission said he had been pressured by members of the ruling Party of National Unity (PNU) and could not be sure who had won.

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Re: US told kibaki he never won
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2024, 10:31:23 PM »
His likes are the ones who have misguided Ruto , economically , politically , socially and morally .
Raila learnt the hardway in 2013 politics of betrayal can never take any one anywhere , Ruto will learn his lesson  in 2027 .


RV Pundit is on a campaign against the Kikuyu. Hence the focus on Kibaki et al. Naturally he ignores the role of Ruto, Kosgey and Kalenjin savages in the PEV.

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Re: US told kibaki he never won
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2024, 10:35:02 PM »

Referendumn is not a reflection of election .Kibaki won North Eastern in Election and outdid Raila in Lower Eastern .
Ruto lost 2010 referendum but won 2013 elections .
Wrong premises you are using …..

  Numbers don't lie. Raila lost in 2007 period. A careful look at all the data shows clearly that there was rigging on both sides but Odm was dealt a blow by Kalonzo bailing out. We had this discussion with data and kinda settled it. I still have the spreadsheets for all the constituencies if RV wants to revisit.

 It's very easy to claim rigging in Kenya because folks are generally lazy to go through details. You saw the same thing with the finance bill. I looked through it and after costing a few contentious issues I came to the conclusion the bill wasn't as bad as it was made to look. Mbadi himself has said that several times. So unless we stop being lazy and sensationalists let's try to at least stick to facts.
pnu withheld results of strongholds n padded it. Odm won referendum by 56%.or 58%...kalomzo took 8% off

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Re: US told kibaki he never won
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2024, 10:38:55 PM »

Ruto clearly messed up with economic policy and trying to use politics to correct that.
Pundit has been popping popcorns since the time he was preaching Ruto will be President for life and now his focus is to be Aricans president until GENZ proved otherwise , na bado , Ruto has been the President for 3 years with nothing tangible to show . Next year we are back to the debt trap more challenges more popping pop corn for Pundit

RV Pundit is on a campaign against the Kikuyu. Hence the focus on Kibaki et al. Naturally he ignores the role of Ruto, Kosgey and Kalenjin savages in the PEV.
just reacting to Martha story book
Clearly Pundit hates Kikuyus but with Kikuyus self destructing he will be popping popcorns.

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Re: US told kibaki he never won
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2024, 10:40:09 PM »


You just have nostalgia of Moi era ………

I have the self-entitlement of kikuyu elite -sina shida na wanjiku wa ground.
Clearly Pundit hates Kikuyus but with Kikuyus self destructing he will be popping popcorns.

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Re: US told kibaki he never won
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2024, 10:42:46 PM »

Raila handshaked Uhuru and now has handshaked Ruto meaning the problem of 2007 was Raila .
He refused to accept defeat just like in 2017 and 2022 , unlike Kibaki Uhuru and Ruto knew how to deal with him

That is one thing Kikuyus never want to address. It is as if without Kikuyus Kenya cannot exist.

That is the same mentality that drove Kibaki to steal the election knowing very well he would be sacrificing his own people in RV. Kibaki and the Kikuyu elite knew the consequences of stealing the election, but they were ready to sacrifice Kikuyu peasants in RV.

Kenya today is in political and economic dire straits due to the stolen election of 2007. Uhuru would never have become president in 2013 without the 2007 PEV. Most likely Ruto would also not be president today. With Uhuru came the open looting of state coffers which continues to date under Ruto.

I have the self-entitlement of kikuyu elite -sina shida na wanjiku wa ground.
Clearly Pundit hates Kikuyus but with Kikuyus self destructing he will be popping popcorns.

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Re: US told kibaki he never won
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2024, 10:43:50 PM »
What bout 2013 , 2017 and 2022. ? Did he win ?


Baba won 2007.   But if you are gaslit, you can entertain all sorts of questions about it.

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Re: US told kibaki he never won
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2024, 01:22:02 PM »
Nahh.
Moi ended up resurrecting Kenyattas dead empire after doing so much work. Ruto is begging for the sign despite hasoras having given a clear mandate and opportunity to eat them up for a hasoras based economy. Now it is Devki, Adani, Kenyattas.

Moi enhanced Hoi polloi access to education through 8-4-4 and removed the colonial dynastic 7-6-3. Ruto is pushing it back.

You dont mean replace self entitled elite with another self entitled elite like Moi did.
Ruto job is to ensure we have national elite.
Moi tried.
Ruto should finish it.
Every community should have fair chance.
And that mean splitting the pie.
Until El Molo become something.

Ruto has political job to build national consenus
Ndii has the economic job to bring poor.

Kikuyu and Luo poor all live in Kibera slums.

Ruto having fallen off with kikuyu has chance to fix kikuyu insular politics - best exemplified and dramatized by PiggyG

Entitlement is a vague word. If a few Pokots have kept Kenyan governments awake since 1900, how, where can you write off Kikuyus? 

Just like Nyeuthi in Amerika are finding out with Trump 2.0, crying sijui White Privilege and BLM won't replace the hard work of creating dependable networks and having not just hollow poets like Obama and fence post Kamala.

The Kikuyu elite will defend their lunch day and night and take the high horse any day. It is upon the likes of Mois, Rutos, Railas to prove they can do a better job for their lot.

That is one thing Kikuyus never want to address. It is as if without Kikuyus Kenya cannot exist.

That is the same mentality that drove Kibaki to steal the election knowing very well he would be sacrificing his own people in RV. Kibaki and the Kikuyu elite knew the consequences of stealing the election, but they were ready to sacrifice Kikuyu peasants in RV.

Kenya today is in political and economic dire straits due to the stolen election of 2007. Uhuru would never have become president in 2013 without the 2007 PEV. Most likely Ruto would also not be president today. With Uhuru came the open looting of state coffers which continues to date under Ruto.

I have the self-entitlement of kikuyu elite -sina shida na wanjiku wa ground.
Clearly Pundit hates Kikuyus but with Kikuyus self destructing he will be popping popcorns.
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine