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Ndii interview on Citizen gives clear economic answers
« on: February 15, 2023, 04:02:49 AM »
Makes a lot of sense. I hope it works because it sounds well thought out


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Re: Ndii interview on Citizen gives clear economic answers
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2023, 06:33:29 AM »
So far so good. Its taken leap of faith to abandon infrastructure or development for economy.

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Re: Ndii interview on Citizen gives clear economic answers
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2023, 07:23:43 AM »
I have a hard time following Ndii but a few things he said confused me:

1) They got rid of subsidies but they're offering a fertilizer subsidy?

2) They want to build more dams and rely on a PPP system like they did for electricity but hasn't the PPP system led to astronomical electricity rates?

Also, I want to juxtapose what Ndii said here with what Martha Wangari is saying here about the disastrous CBC system and parents not being able to pay for school and a whole generation of 10 & 11 year old's may miss out on school entirely because there's simply no money.  What's Ndii's solution for this educational crisis that is now unfolding on the ground?


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Re: Ndii interview on Citizen gives clear economic answers
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2023, 07:29:18 AM »
1) They got rid of subsidies of maize (output) to focus on input subsidies; fertilizer subsidy is central to improving maize yields.
2) Power PPPs involved lots corruptions from Gichuru to current regime. Water PPPs let hope will be signed with public participation/interest.
3) I agree with Wangari - CBC remain a huge mess. I was myself in rural kenya and people dont know where to get 17K for fees for primary kids - when they use to pay 1k.

The solution is to declare junior secondary completely free...give 17K capitation.

I have a hard time following Ndii but a few things he said confused me:

1) They got rid of subsidies but they're not offering a fertilizer subsidy?

2) They want to build more dams and rely on a PPP system like they did for electricity but hasn't the PPP system led to astronomical electricity rates?

Also, I want to juxtapose what Ndii said here with what Martha Wangari is saying here about the disastrous CBC system and parents not being able to pay for school and a whole generation of 10 & 11 year old's may miss out on school entirely because there's simply no money.  What's Ndii's solution for this educational crisis that is now unfolding on the ground?


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Re: Ndii interview on Citizen gives clear economic answers
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2023, 07:32:43 AM »
Look like was already done...it will be 15k from gov - parents need 2K plus uniforms - at least for public schools

The government has directed that each learner transiting to Grade Seven in a public school be allocated Sh15,000 as capitation for free junior secondary education.

A total of 1,253,577 learners sat the 2022 Kenya Primary School Education Assessment (KPSEA) in 32,555 centres across the country.

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/corporate/state-to-spend-sh6-billion-on-free-junior-secondary-4088198

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Re: Ndii interview on Citizen gives clear economic answers
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2023, 07:34:19 AM »
I have a hard time following Ndii but a few things he said confused me:

1) They got rid of subsidies but they're offering a fertilizer subsidy?

2) They want to build more dams and rely on a PPP system like they did for electricity but hasn't the PPP system led to astronomical electricity rates?

Also, I want to juxtapose what Ndii said here with what Martha Wangari is saying here about the disastrous CBC system and parents not being able to pay for school and a whole generation of 10 & 11 year old's may miss out on school entirely because there's simply no money.  What's Ndii's solution for this educational crisis that is now unfolding on the ground?


Ndii us talking about economic strategy..fertilizer subsidy is aimed at production side with hope that one we had food production at lower cost it will translate to lower food costs and the hope once cost of food is lower the savings will he spent elsewhere in the economy simulating the economy. here ndii is giving the fisherman a net to go fish more fish .on education govt has no money to implement cbc. also I think the hidden agenda of cbc is produce more dropouts at junior high level thus providing more unskilled labor and cheap labor to the economy

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Re: Ndii interview on Citizen gives clear economic answers
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2023, 07:39:02 AM »
Look like was already done...it will be 15k from gov - parents need 2K plus uniforms - at least for public schools

The government has directed that each learner transiting to Grade Seven in a public school be allocated Sh15,000 as capitation for free junior secondary education.

A total of 1,253,577 learners sat the 2022 Kenya Primary School Education Assessment (KPSEA) in 32,555 centres across the country.

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/corporate/state-to-spend-sh6-billion-on-free-junior-secondary-4088198

THat article is from January 16th. Wangari just said a school in her constituency had space for 45 students and only 12 showed up. So, there's a break down that's not working somewhere.

She's also saying that KDF can't be deployed without Parliamentary approval and she hasn't seen anything on that yet


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Re: Ndii interview on Citizen gives clear economic answers
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2023, 08:39:27 AM »
Yes Ruto has to take control of CBC - otherwise it could be a huge mess. KDF I think Duale has gazetted - next is parliamentary approval - a fait accompli
THat article is from January 16th. Wangari just said a school in her constituency had space for 45 students and only 12 showed up. So, there's a break down that's not working somewhere.

She's also saying that KDF can't be deployed without Parliamentary approval and she hasn't seen anything on that yet



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Re: Ndii interview on Citizen gives clear economic answers
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2023, 10:19:58 AM »
Cost of living is now a death sentence with the drought. Counties seem overwhelmed or just deaf and blind. Abbas Gullet successor at Red Cross also not fit for the task. That in the North means nearly all kids are out of school.

Add the CBC junior bullchieth and you have probably another 200K Grade 7 out of school in rest of the country.
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Re: Ndii interview on Citizen gives clear economic answers
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2023, 10:37:49 AM »
Yeah redcross fallen - my villagemate wakili kipngetich ameshindwa na kazi
Cost of living is now a death sentence with the drought. Counties seem overwhelmed or just deaf and blind. Abbas Gullet successor at Red Cross also not fit for the task. That in the North means nearly all kids are out of school.

Add the CBC junior bullchieth and you have probably another 200K Grade 7 out of school in rest of the country.

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Re: Ndii interview on Citizen gives clear economic answers
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2023, 05:12:36 PM »
That Njoya woman was right. she said it from the get go that cbc was going to create another poorly educated underclass. her claim now makes sense. anyone with two senses could have told you that creating junior high in a poor country is not going ro work very well..those 200k are out of the system forever. the girls will become maids. I am hearing most parents just changed schools and enrolled kids to standard 8 ...lol. hii kitu is really going to fuck up the poor

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2023, 05:38:05 PM »
It need fixing before its too late. We cant throw the baby with dirty bath water. Out of 1.2m - 0.2m are now out there. It will be difficult to bring them back
That Njoya woman was right. she said it from the get go that cbc was going to create another poorly educated underclass. her claim now makes sense. anyone with two senses could have told you that creating junior high in a poor country is not going ro work very well..those 200k are out of the system forever. the girls will become maids. I am hearing most parents just changed schools and enrolled kids to standard 8 ...lol. hii kitu is really going to fuck up the poor