Raila dropped without drama

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Again you do not understand. Ruto is NOT applying for private sector job. He is applying for public sector job.

Countries that have developed are mostly military dictatorship like Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda (for three relative to almost starting from zero), China, Singapore, South Korea, USSR, name them. Look at India and Kenya - dysfunctional democracies - where everyone is an expert on everything - and nobody does anything - just flapping gums with long theories on TV shows.

The reason is simple - once you have a plan - that has thought about all those economic theories - then you follow the plan - you dont start theorizing failures

The problem is not Keter or Echeza - the problem is Uhuru.

Under Ruto there will be nonsense dictatorship in gov sector - you get the job done - or go home. People like Echeza will be tasked with getting stuff done - no question asked. If the plan is to build 2 million houses - 2 million houses will get build. That is the order Echeza will follow and deliver.

It is why in military or police D- Minus make very good cops. Follow the order. Only the commander has the plan and the strategies - your job is to follow specific actionable orders - shoot - stop shooting.

After Ndii has come up with the plan using his oxbridge brain - Ruto will follow the plan - get it done.

It's Ndii job to work about productivity, bla bla bla into ACTIONABLE PLANS that Echeza and Mama Mboga can understand - productivity he can come and calculate annually - but the plan should run the course.

Kagame or Meles hires such economist - and pays them - and off they go - they get 5yr plan - and it's execution time now - no more theories - no explaining why we are doing it - we are doing it because the plan say we need to do it

There you have it folks, in plain English, as clear as can be, he is endorsing dictatorship. Despite his protestations there is no doubt this guy is connected to the Ruto campaign ala Itumbi. So when he calls for dictatorship better believe that is where Luto's inclinations are.

[RV Pundit]

These have been my views for last 20yrs. Please use the search function. Even when Ruto was not running for PORK. I have never hidden my admiration for Meles or Kagame or Museveni. Or Pinochet or Suharto or China dictatorship. Not for their dictatorship - but for lifting millions out of poverty. Dictatorship is bad...but we need NONSENSE Leadership like Ruto...to COMPLETELY turn around the economy and lift millions out of poverty.

There you have it folks, in plain English, as clear as can be, he is endorsing dictatorship. Despite his protestations there is no doubt this guy is connected to the Ruto campaign ala Itumbi. So when he calls for dictatorship better believe that is where Luto's inclinations are.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

These have been my views for last 20yrs. Please use the search function. Even when Ruto was not running for PORK.

Then why are you demanding free and fair democratic elections?  You don't believe in democracy anyways, you just want your favorite dictator to be elected so he can lord over us in peace? 

Who gave you mandate to rule over us? You keep beating war drums if your dictator is not made PORK

Don't be mad when the current dictator rides roughshod over all democratic  norms either.

Good lord

[RV Pundit]

I dont support dictatorship. In an heterogenous country like kenya. What I support is Nonsense Michuki Matiangi Nyachae Ruto type of leadership.


This thread is 2014 - when I was very angry with Ruto being shackled by Uhuru
https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=926.msg6003#msg6003

Then why are you demanding free and fair democratic elections?  You don't believe in democracy anyways, you just want your favorite dictator to be elected so he can lord over us in peace? 

Who gave you mandate to rule over us?

Don't be mad when the current dictator rides roughshod over all democratic  norms either.

Good lord

[RV Pundit]

This was 7 yrs ago - I DO NOT AND WILL NEVER WRITE USELESS PROPAGANDA. I write stuff that I have deeply thought about and believe in.

I see all those guys as my employees. The guys we hired to provid leadership. I want Uhuru to to do his job. To be on office by 6pm and set example. Day in day out. To really work his butt off. This is no retirement home. This country has a lot of fixing needed. The guy should be holding even 10 meetings every day. When i see the news..i hear nothing....sometimes a week can go without you hearing where Uhuru is. Maybe when he is just jetting in and out.

The only time we saw them rolling their sleeves was day of unveiling the cabinet..from then...the sleeves were rolled back.It only yesterday when i saw Ruto with his shirt on..in harambee house at 8 on the dot. Uhuru gimmick lasted only a day or two..and then he engaged auto-pilot---kimaiyos,karangis and all the fools i bet have also engaged auto-pilot--the junior office are probably on auto-pilot too.

Kibaki lazybones and slothfulness seem to have become defacto Modus Operandi in gov. I think we need to adopt Moi-Ruto work ethic without micromanaging and politicizing public and civil service. That was Moi problem..but everyone in gov was on toes..because Moi would be working the phones for hours.

In Ruto...i see our kagame and museveni. Museveni is ever busy..juzi i saw him with white board unleashing issuess to his juniors.
https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=926.msg6003#msg6003

[hk]

Again you do not understand. Ruto is NOT applying for private sector job. He is applying for public sector job.

Countries that have developed are mostly military dictatorship like Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda (for three relative to almost starting from zero), China, Singapore, South Korea, USSR, name them. Look at India and Kenya - dysfunctional democracies - where everyone is an expert on everything - and nobody does anything - just flapping gums with long theories on TV shows.

The reason is simple - once you have a plan - that has thought about all those economic theories - then you follow the plan - you dont start theorizing failures

The problem is not Keter or Echeza - the problem is Uhuru.

Under Ruto there will be nonsense dictatorship in gov sector - you get the job done - or go home. People like Echeza will be tasked with getting stuff done - no question asked. If the plan is to build 2 million houses - 2 million houses will get build. That is the order Echeza will follow and deliver.

It is why in military or police D- Minus make very good cops. Follow the order. Only the commander has the plan and the strategies - your job is to follow specific actionable orders - shoot - stop shooting.

After Ndii has come up with the plan using his oxbridge brain - Ruto will follow the plan - get it done.

It's Ndii job to work about productivity, bla bla bla into ACTIONABLE PLANS that Echeza and Mama Mboga can understand - productivity he can come and calculate annually - but the plan should run the course.

Kagame or Meles hires such economist - and pays them - and off they go - they get 5yr plan - and it's execution time now - no more theories - no explaining why we are doing it - we are doing it because the plan say we need to do it

There's no country in the world that has development without production or provision of services either for local or export market. Therein lies our problem, the focus should be on production and provision of services. How to produce has been our problem. Is keter, was kandie or felix being hampered from doing their Job?
Agrarian economy needs to improve productivity to develop, Kenya (agriculture) productivity has stagnated or declined from the 70s., that's our main problem.

Uganda, Ethiopia, Rwanda have just marginally improved from very dismal level. Singapore is a market economy which enabled it to develop, Its not a command economy that you seem to propose.
David ndii plan is just rehashing of Narc economic recovery strategy with more emphasis on the poor. The major difference is that Ndii proposes more public spending instead of unleashing private sector. Its a combination of his covid special lifeline fund proposal and more public spending. That's why he's proposing 100m private sector fund per constituency.
Ideology determines the policy, ideology is driven by core convictions of how the world should be. So crafting policy that isn't driven by core convictions you end up with haphazard and mismatch of policies. Pinochet hated Marxist so he emblazed market economy, driven and implemented by Milton friedmans students. As a result Chile is the richest country in latin america.
Anyhow Kenya needs more than brute force enforcers, it needs creative policy thinkers and implementers driven by free market and liberty as the guiding principles( my humble opinion).

[RV Pundit]

Ethiopia, Uganda and Rwanda started at bottom - after 20yrs of war - etc etc - and under Kagame, Museveni and Meles - they have had 7 percent plus growth for decades. Museveni lost it along the way - especially with family planning. Uganda are just breeding - and will overtake kenya population in a decade I think....so we need to remove Museveni.. from that list of public sector reformers of  Africa.

Kenya has been free market economy ever since the British started it. There is very little to be gained from changing any economic policy. Absolutely marginal utility.

What will change is for public sector driven investment - and the freeing private sector from cronyism.

Public sector investment is where we are - I personally favor infrastructure  - Ndii seem to favor social investment in people and their enterprises. I think Ruto also favour infrastructure - so we will see a mixed plan - rural roads (15 percent of paved roads is JUST AWFUL BAD - but electricity is sorted), WATSAN still big issue, housing, ndii cooperative led informal business support (MSME) and of course we continue with social investment in health and education of the poor.

But we are agreed that public sector need someone like Ruto or Michuki or Nyachae to shake it.

Uganda, Ethiopia, Rwanda have just marginally improved from very dismal level. Singapore is a market economy which enabled it to develop, Its not a command economy that you seem to propose.
David ndii plan is just rehashing of Narc economic recovery strategy with more emphasis on the poor. The major difference is that Ndii proposes more public spending instead of unleashing private sector. Its a combination of his covid special lifeline fund proposal and more public spending. That's why he's proposing 100m private sector fund per constituency.
Ideology determines the policy, ideology is driven by core convictions of how the world should be. So crafting policy that isn't driven by core convictions you end up with haphazard and mismatch of policies. Pinochet hated Marxist so he emblazed market economy, driven and implemented by Milton friedmans students. As a result Chile is the richest country in latin america.
Anyhow Kenya needs more than brute force enforcers, it needs creative policy thinkers and implementers driven by free market and liberty as the guiding principles( my humble opinion).

[hk]

Ethiopia, Uganda and Rwanda started at bottom - after 20yrs of war - etc etc - and under Kagame, Museveni and Meles - they have had 7 percent plus growth for decades. Museveni lost it along the way - especially with family planning. Uganda are just breeding - and will overtake kenya population in a decade I think....so we need to remove Museveni.. from that list of public sector reformers of  Africa.

Kenya has been free market economy ever since the British started it. There is very little to be gained from changing any economic policy. Absolutely marginal utility.

What will change is for public sector driven investment - and the freeing private sector from cronyism.

Public sector investment is where we are - I personally favor infrastructure  - Ndii seem to favor social investment in people and their enterprises.

But we are agreed that public sector need someone like Ruto or Michuki or Nyachae to shake it.

Uganda, Ethiopia, Rwanda have just marginally improved from very dismal level. Singapore is a market economy which enabled it to develop, Its not a command economy that you seem to propose.
David ndii plan is just rehashing of Narc economic recovery strategy with more emphasis on the poor. The major difference is that Ndii proposes more public spending instead of unleashing private sector. Its a combination of his covid special lifeline fund proposal and more public spending. That's why he's proposing 100m private sector fund per constituency.
Ideology determines the policy, ideology is driven by core convictions of how the world should be. So crafting policy that isn't driven by core convictions you end up with haphazard and mismatch of policies. Pinochet hated Marxist so he emblazed market economy, driven and implemented by Milton friedmans students. As a result Chile is the richest country in latin america.
Anyhow Kenya needs more than brute force enforcers, it needs creative policy thinkers and implementers driven by free market and liberty as the guiding principles( my humble opinion).

Kenya is a market economy only by name. Uganda is more liberalized than kenya economy. A perfect  example is kenya national cereals board, Uganda doesn't have anything like that.
GDP growth driven by public expenditure means absolutely nothing to the citizens, Jubilee government averaged about 6% and here we are.

[RV Pundit]

1) I agree on more privatization - and remove cryonism - gov should sell cereal boards, KCCs, safaricom, kcb, mumias....all the 200 corporation...and get out of business. They are just there for treasury to sit on 200 boards and influence jobs and contracts there.

And that will give us money to deal with debt or finance infrastructure. I want to see gov sell nearly all those 200 state owned enterprises. All the gov hotels. Sell them all.

2) Now I totally disagree on public investment. I believe once gov get out completely from private sector it should concentrate on basic infrastructure.  Jubilee won by extra 1million or nearly 5 percent - because people FELT the electricity, the rural paved roads and such. Of course they do not automatically produce economic impact...because they are long term projects...so give it time....just like MGR eventually gave us Nairobi and all the towns along it. It not like after paving road or providing electricity - fortunes of resident will change immediately - but eventually it will change. They start moving more, cheaply, goods become cheaper and more widely available, their kids read better, they get sick less, bla de bla...all those savings eventually show up in gdp figures down the road.

3) I believe we have such a huge infrastructure deficit we need to do something - especially on rural roads and water supply. Also urban housing situation is very bad. That is very critical. That I believe Ruto  also shares as his viewpoint.

4) Then we need to think about 15m poor and unemployed. That I think is Ndii genius - let him figures out how to deal with informal and MSMES.  Jobs can be created by fixing infrastructure - getting people digging water pipes, roads and building houses. Cooperative or SACCO led formalization of informal and small business can unleash the economies of scale needed...and I am hoping that is the plan.

Under NARC - I believe Ndii managed to convince us to invest in education and health care - contra to world bank/.IMF 1990s madness to cut back on social investment - and everyone can see the benefit of that.

Kenya is a market economy only by name. Uganda is more liberalized than kenya economy. A perfect  example is kenya national cereals board, Uganda doesn't have anything like that.
GDP growth driven by public expenditure means absolutely nothing to the citizens, Jubilee government averaged about 6% and here we are.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Something is missing from this high-falutin discussion - what we need is more devolution, then let the competition sort out the wheat from the chaff. If you prefer high taxes, bloated public sector, and involving Gava in every minute affair like Pundit try that in your county  and see how it works.
Gambling with other peoples' money is easy, socialists love it, however if you know your community will be taxed through the nose to pay aliens you will think twice before you approve that shiny credit financed boondoggle.

What I object to and which goes against the spirit of devolution is for foreigners such as Uhuruto taking on debts on my behalf at NATIONAL level to benefit their families, tribe and region. It is unacceptable.

Infrastructure - trains, national housing, electricity or roads should all be decided at local level. Governors who are accountable to their local voters would not dare build a white elephant such SGR. Only a few cross country highways should be left to central government which can be financed by vehicle mileage taxes.

[RV Pundit]

We are in total agreement - we need more devolution - but slowly - they need to build capacity - even stuff like piping water to people household - wameshindwa. I dont think they have capacity to manage paving of roads.

I also expect all national projects to be divided equally. If it's roads - let gov build similar kilometers in every const. If it's water pipe- the same. If it any gov project - national - should be divided equally.

Ruto is smart enough to know he will win 2027 by doing exactly that. Kibaki screwed himself up. Ruto made Jubilee 1.0 very fair. Uhuru has spoiled that legacy.

Federalims should be the goal but slowly - some places cannot manage now - so they still need nairobi support.

Something is missing from this high-falutin discussion - what we need is more devolution, then let the competition sort out the wheat from the chaff. If you prefer high taxes, bloated public sector, and involving Gava in every minute affair like Pundit try that in your county  and see how it works.
Gambling with other peoples' money is easy, socialists love it, however if you know your community will be taxed through the nose to pay aliens you will think twice before you approve that shiny credit financed boondoggle.

What I object to and which goes against the spirit of devolution is for foreigners such as Uhuruto taking on debts on my behalf at NATIONAL level to benefit their families, tribe and region. It is unacceptable.

Infrastructure - trains, national housing, electricity or roads should all be decided at local level. Governors who are accountable to their local voters would not dare build a white elephant such SGR. Only a few cross country highways should be left to central government which can be financed by vehicle mileage taxes.