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https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/leaders-unite-tame-ruto-in-battle-for-2022-3333622
In Mt Kenya, Nation has learnt that the DP’s foot soldiers are reluctant to join UDA for fear of facing a backlash from the voters.
Despite backing the DP’s candidature for 2022 and his “Hustler Nation” campaign mantra, his lieutenants in the region are said to be unenthusiastic about associating with UDA and prefer fringe parties in the region.
Those in the know say it’s the reason the DP withdrew from the Juja Parliamentary mini-poll slated for May 18.
However, Kiharu MP Ndindi Nyoro insists UDA remains the party of choice in the region.
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Uda will give way to hustler nation party..uhuru is working hard to undo but time is his biggest enemy and COVID..so Ruto should just wait it out like last year and come next year everyone for himself
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2 months old UDA is in disarray as 0-EQ Muthama repel everyone. Once again Ruto incompetence in running a national party is blatantly obvious.
Uda will give way to hustler nation party..uhuru is working hard to undo but time is his biggest enemy and COVID..so Ruto should just wait it out like last year and come next year everyone for himself
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Pundit this BBI line-up loading... tribe is eating hustler lunch bila huruma
Uhuru holds talks with coast governors Joho, Kingi and Mvurya
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Robina do you believe Baba will fit in this BBI equation?
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Robina do you believe Baba will fit in this BBI equation?
Yup. Uhuru is promoting tribal kings as chess pieces in NARC 2. Ruto is still reeling from the round 1 dog-beating. Even Pundit here sounds docile.. the bravado and hubris are gone :)
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Robina do you believe Baba will fit in this BBI equation?
Yup. Uhuru is promoting tribal kings as chess pieces in NARC 2. Ruto is still reeling from the round 1 dog-beating. Even Pundit here sounds docile.. the bravado and hubris are gone :)
So baba will be the BBI dynasty presidential candidate?
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Robina do you believe Baba will fit in this BBI equation?
Yup. Uhuru is promoting tribal kings as chess pieces in NARC 2. Ruto is still reeling from the round 1 dog-beating. Even Pundit here sounds docile.. the bravado and hubris are gone :)
So baba will be the BBI dynasty presidential candidate?
Yes, Baba is the BBI candidate. For one if they were to betray him - they are smart enough not to do it before BBI crosses the Rubicon. This latest move is decisively going to rout Ruto in Mt Kenya. Now Baba really needs Uhuru, and the Sacred crew are more secure in system grasp. The real person being played is William Ruto.
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Robina we will back if we survive Korona..I think we are in checkmate position between Raila,Ruto and Uhuru.Uhuru strength has been to play both Baba and Ruto.As 2022 approaches he cannot do that.Obviously everyone knows except insane Robina think Raila is an option in uhuru game..never ever..Ruto can reconcile with uhuru easily coz there is not ideological..just you outstole me jealousy..but Raila is feared for lack of word..see Magufuli or Idi kind of mercurial nature of leader...feared.Uhuru wants the prince Gideon.The tricky part remain GEMA people are still protecting king Ruto..checkmatjng Uhuru...so Uhuru has gone to Raila corner and takes his pawns and pieces....made them all little princes...Odinga now very lonely and is threatening to join Ruto corner.Gema people in Ruto are saying go to hell.Uhuru is waiting for entry point to gema hearts...Raila working with Ruto..is golden chance...but Ruto is aware..so I think Rarua cerelac alliance will be underground .Bbi imekunywa maji coz odm want to vote it down to force referendum while uhuru does not want referendum but gains immediately
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Pundit I agree on a few points but not all...
Uhuru has/is weakening Raila - true. Uhuru has installed tribal kings and this makes him more powerful while they all need him.
Uhuru has/is betraying Raila - doubtful. One Kenya cannot win PORK on their own, therefore this is unlikely. Weakening Raila makes it easier to strike a deal under BBI lineup. None of the Sacred flowergirls feels entitled to PORK like Raila & Ruto so it easy to manage them as pawns.
BBI is dead - nope. Tribal gods need BBI like air - it guarantees power-sharing and hybrid which allow them to run for MP without losing face then possibly land CS. This why Kingi-Mvurya want local party for bargaining and ready to dump Raila-Ruto for pocket change. There will be squabbles in JLAC committee but Speakers Muturi and Lusaka will rule BBI bill cannot be amended. Orengo noise and plenary numbers don't matter cause only referendum will decide popular initiative. Now, Raila cannot oppose referendum after singing BBI for 3 years without serious PR/credibility nightmare. Ruto equally cannot oppose without totally losing few remaining Mt Kenya disciples like Ndindi Nyoro. Already literally all Gema MPs in Kieleweke and Tangatanga have ganged up against any amendments that dilute 1M1V1S. Raila at worst is likely to go watermelon with Ruto - but more likely go Yes hypocritically (shingo upande) like 2010.
I agree Uhuru-Raila-Ruto have struck checkmate. Obviously Uhuru is the kingmaker. Once judiciary 7-cases combo get dispensed - it back to business - there is nothing that even remotely indicates Uhuru prefers Ruto over Raila. Ruto-Raila alliance of course faces the lineup conundrum as neither can step down for the other. Also Raila seems to think joining Ruto will further dilute his reformer image. But never say never in politics.
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Pundit - Ruto might need to step down for ODM in Bonchari as show of good faith. UDA is a knock-off version of URP :) It been downhill for Ruto to see him courting Raila on air.
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Gema are king maker.Uhuru is using gov largese n deep states.uhuru has lost gema including kikuyu core..he has only won hell gates n ruiru thanks to industrial odm workers..otherwise huruma Rv ward again too many Luos in langas and no need to reopen kiambaa in same ward so uda stood down otherwise uda and kuria has beat jubilee. Watch gema.Raila is skunk cannot be sold in gema and has cost uhuru heavily.Uhuru want to dump him and Ruto should not pick him.Wacha akule ujeuri.Uhuru believe dumping Raila gives him an earing...that why in my Kenya bbi has been divorced from him.The battle is on gema..largest tribal solid reliable block of nearly 30%.Uhuru want to regain it then barter it to non Raila..likely gideon or fellow kikuyu...double trouble. RAILA MAMBO YAKE KWISHA.Kisii sioni jubilee wacha...odm has zero mp and it's not there zone.Odm governor are with Matiangi. Matiangi ni jubilee. SO RAILA WILL BE TAMED IN LUO NYANZA.
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Pundit - Ruto might need to step down for ODM in Bonchari as show of good faith. UDA is a knock-off version of URP :) It been downhill for Ruto to see him courting Raila on air.
why would he endanger gema support by doing that..Raila and Uhuru waendelee kusalamiani
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Pundit I agree on a few points but not all...
Uhuru has/is weakening Raila - true. Uhuru has installed tribal kings and this makes him more powerful while they all need him.
Uhuru has/is betraying Raila - doubtful. One Kenya cannot win PORK on their own, therefore this is unlikely. Weakening Raila makes it easier to strike a deal under BBI lineup. None of the Sacred flowergirls feels entitled to PORK like Raila & Ruto so it easy to manage them as pawns.
BBI is dead - nope. Tribal gods need BBI like air - it guarantees power-sharing and hybrid which allow them to run for MP without losing face then possibly land CS. This why Kingi-Mvurya want local party for bargaining and ready to dump Raila-Ruto for pocket change. There will be squabbles in JLAC committee but Speakers Muturi and Lusaka will rule BBI bill cannot be amended. Orengo noise and plenary numbers don't matter cause only referendum will decide popular initiative. Now, Raila cannot oppose referendum after singing BBI for 3 years without serious PR/credibility nightmare. Ruto equally cannot oppose without totally losing few remaining Mt Kenya disciples like Ndindi Nyoro. Already literally all Gema MPs in Kieleweke and Tangatanga have ganged up against any amendments that dilute 1M1V1S. Raila at worst is likely to go watermelon with Ruto - but more likely go Yes hypocritically (shingo upande) like 2010.
I agree Uhuru-Raila-Ruto have struck checkmate. Obviously Uhuru is the kingmaker. Once judiciary 7-cases combo get dispensed - it back to business - there is nothing that even remotely indicates Uhuru prefers Ruto over Raila. Ruto-Raila alliance of course faces the lineup conundrum as neither can step down for the other. Also Raila seems to think joining Ruto will further dilute his reformer image. But never say never in politics.
Raila want referendum so prepare for defeat of BBI in senate forcing a referendum using WIn WIn.Ruto will work with Raila on that .Uhuru role in BBI will then to provide Money or not when court cases are done.Iebc are injuncted until cases heard n determined
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Gema are king maker.Uhuru is using gov largese n deep states.uhuru has lost gema including kikuyu core..he has only won hell gates n ruiru thanks to industrial odm workers..otherwise huruma Rv ward again too many Luos in langas and no need to reopen kiambaa in same ward so uda stood down otherwise uda and kuria has beat jubilee. Watch gema.Raila is skunk cannot be sold in gema and has cost uhuru heavily.Uhuru want to dump him and Ruto should not pick him.Wacha akule ujeuri.Uhuru believe dumping Raila gives him an earing...that why in my Kenya bbi has been divorced from him.The battle is on gema..largest tribal solid reliable block of nearly 30%.Uhuru want to regain it then barter it to non Raila..likely gideon or fellow kikuyu...double trouble. RAILA MAMBO YAKE KWISHA.Kisii sioni jubilee wacha...odm has zero mp and it's not there zone.Odm governor are with Matiangi. Matiangi ni jubilee. SO RAILA WILL BE TAMED IN LUO NYANZA.
Hell's Gate margin shows Kikuyu split 50-50 with Luo flower-pickers giving Jubilee the edge. Anyway Juja tells us the true status of UDA in Gema: if Ruto backing was solid he would be dying to scorn Uhuru and Murathes. Now he is hiding behind Moses Kuria's PEP should shit hit the fan. Bonchari don't be so sure UDA might face worse embarassment than ODM. UDA so far lacks national traction and momentum after string of losses with no win in horizon. One Kenya is leading the pack.
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Pundit I agree on a few points but not all...
Uhuru has/is weakening Raila - true. Uhuru has installed tribal kings and this makes him more powerful while they all need him.
Uhuru has/is betraying Raila - doubtful. One Kenya cannot win PORK on their own, therefore this is unlikely. Weakening Raila makes it easier to strike a deal under BBI lineup. None of the Sacred flowergirls feels entitled to PORK like Raila & Ruto so it easy to manage them as pawns.
BBI is dead - nope. Tribal gods need BBI like air - it guarantees power-sharing and hybrid which allow them to run for MP without losing face then possibly land CS. This why Kingi-Mvurya want local party for bargaining and ready to dump Raila-Ruto for pocket change. There will be squabbles in JLAC committee but Speakers Muturi and Lusaka will rule BBI bill cannot be amended. Orengo noise and plenary numbers don't matter cause only referendum will decide popular initiative. Now, Raila cannot oppose referendum after singing BBI for 3 years without serious PR/credibility nightmare. Ruto equally cannot oppose without totally losing few remaining Mt Kenya disciples like Ndindi Nyoro. Already literally all Gema MPs in Kieleweke and Tangatanga have ganged up against any amendments that dilute 1M1V1S. Raila at worst is likely to go watermelon with Ruto - but more likely go Yes hypocritically (shingo upande) like 2010.
I agree Uhuru-Raila-Ruto have struck checkmate. Obviously Uhuru is the kingmaker. Once judiciary 7-cases combo get dispensed - it back to business - there is nothing that even remotely indicates Uhuru prefers Ruto over Raila. Ruto-Raila alliance of course faces the lineup conundrum as neither can step down for the other. Also Raila seems to think joining Ruto will further dilute his reformer image. But never say never in politics.
Raila want referendum so prepare for defeat of BBI in senate forcing a referendum using WIn WIn.Ruto will work with Raila on that .Uhuru role in BBI will then to provide Money or not when court cases are done.Iebc are injuncted until cases heard n determined
I doubt Raila wants to share BBI glory with Ruto... who remains his biggest rival. What you don't get - Uhuru and One Kenya are more likely to partner with the weaker of Ruto and Raila... rather obvious. Hii story yako ati "trust" is faulty. That's hardly a factor in politic. Being "unsellable" in Gema makes Raila a better partner than Ruto in Uhuru's eyes. Plus age, etc. Ruto is abhorrent skunk on so many levels.
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How did you get Phd or your head got permentantly damaged in the process.
I mean people when work together - each is working for their own interest.
If Raila passes - BBI in parliament - Uhuru will be done with him - Uhuru will ask AG to remove sections that touches the referendum - and sent it to IEBC - and the rest will be deemed ammended. He will implement BBI - by copting cerelac babies to gov as PM/DPMs - meanwhile Raila will be waiting to unveil BBI Lineup in 2022 :) :) - while Uhuru is ready to unveil today.
So Raila need Ruto to temporarly kill BBI in parliament - so referendum becomes a MUST - please read KANSTITUTION - although I don't see how after referendum high - he will stop Uhuru from using Imperial BBI powers in 2022 to push Giddy Man.
That is how BBI is playing out in the near term. Uhuru definitely not keen for referendum where his weak gema base will be exposed. Raila is almost obsessed with referendum where he becomes father of constitution again and again.
Ruto is obsessed with 2022 PORK - he knows everything else will be easy from there.
Now as for GEMA - the battle is btw a retiring unpopular hated Uhuru - and Ruto. Raila is impossible sell - in Mt kenya - that one has been abandoned - you just didn't get the memo - even lone Kamanda has given up.
Now for Uhuru - it's Cereleac coalition gameplan - and the thorny issue of who takes care of GEMA interests; Shida tupu.
In meantime I'd advise Ruto to avoid Raila like a skunk - because GEMA hates the man - to the bone - and Uhuru is in trouble for that reason.
Anyway wacha Korona kwanza itufanya next 3 months.
Kortini iko na kesi nane - Sijui BBI itatoboa yote?
You and Raila need plan B. Uhuru has hitched into regional tribal tapestry - tribal divide and rule. Ruto is struggling to steady the hustler boat after taking water.
Raila is confused - can't believe he been left in middle of river jordan again :) - neither in Egypt - nor Canaan.
I doubt Raila wants to share BBI glory with Ruto... who remains his biggest rival. What you don't get - Uhuru and One Kenya are more likely to partner with the weaker of Ruto and Raila... rather obvious. Hii story yako ati "trust" is faulty. That's hardly a factor in politic. Whereas Raila being "unsellable" in Gema makes him a better partner than Ruto in Uhuru's eyes.
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Juja iko nairobi metro; not ideal kikuyu or gema const; but still good test; UDA out of respect for wife; won't participate; just like Huruma ward; Bonchari - Gusii - maybe the Slim Shaddy Matiangi will finally PLEASE STAND UP PLEASE STAND UP! I don't see lazy boy doing it; ODM could take it;
But it also revelation time for ODM ; let see if Ongwaes- Ongeris will back Jubilee or ODM; Shida tupu; they are hidding under baba - but singing Mataingi;
UDA ambition in Gusii is to play 30% - not to win.
Hell's Gate margin shows Kikuyu split 50-50 with Luo flower-pickers giving Jubilee the edge. Anyway Juja tells us the true status of UDA in Gema: if Ruto backing was solid he would be dying to scorn Uhuru and Murathes. Now he is hiding behind Moses Kuria's PEP should shit hit the fan. Bonchari don't be so sure UDA might face worse embarassment than ODM. UDA so far lacks national traction and momentum after string of losses with no win in horizon. One Kenya is leading the pack.
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Gema are king maker.Uhuru is using gov largese n deep states.uhuru has lost gema including kikuyu core..he has only won hell gates n ruiru thanks to industrial odm workers..otherwise huruma Rv ward again too many Luos in langas and no need to reopen kiambaa in same ward so uda stood down otherwise uda and kuria has beat jubilee. Watch gema.Raila is skunk cannot be sold in gema and has cost uhuru heavily.Uhuru want to dump him and Ruto should not pick him.Wacha akule ujeuri.Uhuru believe dumping Raila gives him an earing...that why in my Kenya bbi has been divorced from him.The battle is on gema..largest tribal solid reliable block of nearly 30%.Uhuru want to regain it then barter it to non Raila..likely gideon or fellow kikuyu...double trouble. RAILA MAMBO YAKE KWISHA.Kisii sioni jubilee wacha...odm has zero mp and it's not there zone.Odm governor are with Matiangi. Matiangi ni jubilee. SO RAILA WILL BE TAMED IN LUO NYANZA.
Pundit you been to school done statistics and estimates and you still believe that in a Kenya of 43 or 44 communities, which single tribe has 30% population? Have you even ever been in Central? Not just Kiambu but Nyeri and Muranga and seen how sparsely populated those places are as in they are no different - population-wise - as other parts of Kenya that are agri-based? There are large tracks of land under tea and coffee meaning land where people would be living if they were that many, is under crop instead. Census has been politically abused. Kikuyu have remained 22% at best since Independence, if not gone down. During Moi time, he let them drink local brew silly as a tool to fight their opposition to him. And because they felt persecuted then, many left for abroad - hence no contest that Kikuyu tribe the largest kenyan tribe outside Kenya.
Turning to RV and Kalenjin, they are not that many Kalenjins. Moi and Jubilee upped their numbers for election purposes. On their own UDA-a Kalenjin party has no numbers - Kalenjin not even a tribe - coined by Moi pre-independence. I asked you this question you skirted around it.
As usual misinformation is your hallmark but Nipateans on this forum have the likes of @AudacityOfHope to fix and correct that:
Acccording to the official 2019 population census figures this is the list of most populous counties in Kenya:
1. Nairobi (4.3 million)
2. Kiambu (2.4 million),
3. Nakuru (2.1million),
4. Kakamega (1.8 million) and
5. Bungoma (1.6 million).
BTW why is there no Kalenjin county on this list? Mmezoea kuiba kura since days of Moi; 2022 mtajua hanna numbers kabisa!! :85:
Most populated counties in Kenya | Nation (https://nation.africa/kenya/life-and-style/7-most-populated-counties-in-kenya--64722)
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-11-04-census-list-of-most-populous-counties-in-kenya/
Lastly Pundit, get well soon. Many a classmate of mine have been felled by Covid-19 (some in very short periods) in recent days so we know it can be serious, serious enough for me to have taken my jab.
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Lol what a troll. What is Ruto, Raila, Uhuru position on 1)BBI in parliament? 2)BBI in referendum?
My take:
Ruto wants BBI to pass in parliament but fail in referendum.
Raila wants BBI to fail in parliament but pass in referendum.
Uhuru wants BBI to fail in parliament but pass in referendum. This is where we differ.
Why? There are 2 main items in BBI: hybrid needs referendum (roles of parliament duhh). 1M1V1S does not need referendum. If 1M1V1S passes in parliament, Uhuru cannot use referendum to kick Ruto out of Gema. For Ruto it's the opposite.
1M1V1S is Uhuru thing to get back Gema. Hybrid is Raila thing to string coalition after playing all the flowergirls. Ruto wants none of these. So you see Raila-Uhuru remain aligned against Ruto despite your wishful thinking. The mistrust has been caused by the One Kenya shenanigans. I see nothing big to break Handshake right now. Of course for you Pundit Uhuru has no real beef with Ruto therefore wants to betray Raila by pocketing 1M1V1S then tanking rest of BBI. To I Robina Uhuru wants hybrid to uproot Ruto from Gema. Even if Uhuru was to shortchange Raila for One Kenya - he would still need hybrid to cobble Sacred coalition so he needs referendum to pass. Uhuru therefore cannot pocket the goodies in parliament and make No possible to win.
Kwesson: have you heard anyone in ODM asking Raila to join Ruto? I mean besides the gossip. But Ruto has been on air claiming to have common ground with Raila - some mumbo jumbo about national parties. 8)
Please be coherent in your rebuttal. I hope you have shaken covid... it affects the brain bad. :)
How did you get Phd or your head got permentantly damaged in the process.
I mean people when work together - each is working for their own interest.
If Raila passes - BBI in parliament - Uhuru will be done with him - Uhuru will ask AG to remove sections that touches the referendum - and sent it to IEBC - and the rest will be deemed ammended. He will implement BBI - by copting cerelac babies to gov as PM/DPMs - meanwhile Raila will be waiting to unveil BBI Lineup in 2022 :) :) - while Uhuru is ready to unveil today.
So Raila need Ruto to temporarly kill BBI in parliament - so referendum becomes a MUST - please read KANSTITUTION - although I don't see how after referendum high - he will stop Uhuru from using Imperial BBI powers in 2022 to push Giddy Man.
That is how BBI is playing out in the near term. Uhuru definitely not keen for referendum where his weak gema base will be exposed. Raila is almost obsessed with referendum where he becomes father of constitution again and again.
Ruto is obsessed with 2022 PORK - he knows everything else will be easy from there.
Now as for GEMA - the battle is btw a retiring unpopular hated Uhuru - and Ruto. Raila is impossible sell - in Mt kenya - that one has been abandoned - you just didn't get the memo - even lone Kamanda has given up.
Now for Uhuru - it's Cereleac coalition gameplan - and the thorny issue of who takes care of GEMA interests; Shida tupu.
In meantime I'd advise Ruto to avoid Raila like a skunk - because GEMA hates the man - to the bone - and Uhuru is in trouble for that reason.
Anyway wacha Korona kwanza itufanya next 3 months.
Kortini iko na kesi nane - Sijui BBI itatoboa yote?
You and Raila need plan B. Uhuru has hitched into regional tribal tapestry - tribal divide and rule. Ruto is struggling to steady the hustler boat after taking water.
Raila is confused - can't believe he been left in middle of river jordan again :) - neither in Egypt - nor Canaan.
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You are just a slippery troll. So Juja UDA is stepping down out of respect for ex-MP wife? :) Hahaha since Juja is metropolitan that should be perfect place for UDA hustler nation next to Nairobi where Bishop Wanjiru wave was to sweep away Handshake Waweru. It simple: Ruto is scared of being routed by the "hated" Uhuru... which would decisively blow up his Gema supremacy facade.
Gusii UDA is worse off than anyone... that Kiamokama MCA dog-beating was so bad... 4-to-1 UDA vs ODM margin. You need to appreciate toxic Kipsigis-Gusii history - it Uhuru-TNA that netted few votes for Jubilee not Ruto. Ongeris were forced to ship ODM but of course now Matiang'i factor is big. What I expect if Jubilee-ODM face off persist... is UDA emerging distant third. 10% Kiamokama. I don't see how such outcome will any worse for ODM than UDA.
Raila needs to sweet-talk Uhuru instead of acting jilted or listening to Orengo. He has more to lose and Ruto is cheering the cracks real or imagined.
Juja iko nairobi metro; not ideal kikuyu or gema const; but still good test; UDA out of respect for wife; won't participate; just like Huruma ward; Bonchari - Gusii - maybe the Slim Shaddy Matiangi will finally PLEASE STAND UP PLEASE STAND UP! I don't see lazy boy doing it; ODM could take it;
But it also revelation time for ODM ; let see if Ongwaes- Ongeris will back Jubilee or ODM; Shida tupu; they are hidding under baba - but singing Mataingi;
UDA ambition in Gusii is to play 30% - not to win.
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Naskia bbi secretariat folded n chamvi taken to harambe house. Robina you're very naive like Raila.There is no day uhuru or moi or Kibaki or Kenya elites will sasa Babu tosha.Feared mercurial.Ruto ni wao.Uhuru now is on Gideon Moi.
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You are just a slippery troll. So Juja UDA is stepping down out of respect for ex-MP wife? :) Hahaha since Juja is metropolitan that should be perfect place for UDA hustler nation next to Nairobi where Bishop Wanjiru wave was to sweep away Handshake Waweru. It simple: Ruto is scared of being routed by the "hated" Uhuru... which would decisively bow up his Gema supremacy facade.
Gusii UDA is worse off than anyone... that Kiamokama MCA dog-beating was so bad... 4-to-1 UDA vs ODM margin. You need to appreciate toxic Kipsigis-Gusii history - it Uhuru-TNA that netted few votes for Jubilee not Ruto. Ongeris were forced to ship ODM but of course now Matiang'i factor is big. What I expect if Jubilee-ODM face off persist... is UDA emerging distant third. 10% Kiamokama. I don't see how such outcome will any worse for ODM than UDA.
Raila needs to sweet-talk Uhuru instead of acting jilted or listening to Orengo. He has more to lose and Ruto is cheering the cracks real or imagined.
Juja iko nairobi metro; not ideal kikuyu or gema const; but still good test; UDA out of respect for wife; won't participate; just like Huruma ward; Bonchari - Gusii - maybe the Slim Shaddy Matiangi will finally PLEASE STAND UP PLEASE STAND UP! I don't see lazy boy doing it; ODM could take it;
But it also revelation time for ODM ; let see if Ongwaes- Ongeris will back Jubilee or ODM; Shida tupu; they are hidding under baba - but singing Mataingi;
UDA ambition in Gusii is to play 30% - not to win.
Matiangi used violence against uda..I don't see any much difference..Jubilee will try to rig itself in gusii.As for juja n all these...remember ruto cannot campaign directly..n for strategic reasons will avoid uhuru.
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Gema are king maker.Uhuru is using gov largese n deep states.uhuru has lost gema including kikuyu core..he has only won hell gates n ruiru thanks to industrial odm workers..otherwise huruma Rv ward again too many Luos in langas and no need to reopen kiambaa in same ward so uda stood down otherwise uda and kuria has beat jubilee. Watch gema.Raila is skunk cannot be sold in gema and has cost uhuru heavily.Uhuru want to dump him and Ruto should not pick him.Wacha akule ujeuri.Uhuru believe dumping Raila gives him an earing...that why in my Kenya bbi has been divorced from him.The battle is on gema..largest tribal solid reliable block of nearly 30%.Uhuru want to regain it then barter it to non Raila..likely gideon or fellow kikuyu...double trouble. RAILA MAMBO YAKE KWISHA.Kisii sioni jubilee wacha...odm has zero mp and it's not there zone.Odm governor are with Matiangi. Matiangi ni jubilee. SO RAILA WILL BE TAMED IN LUO NYANZA.
Pundit you been to school done statistics and estimates and you still believe that in a Kenya of 43 or 44 communities, which single tribe has 30% population? Have you even ever been in Central? Not just Kiambu but Nyeri and Muranga and seen how sparsely populated those places are as in they are no different - population-wise - as other parts of Kenya that are agri-based? There are large tracks of land under tea and coffee meaning land where people would be living if they were that many, is under crop instead. Census has been politically abused. Kikuyu have remained 22% at best since Independence, if not gone down. During Moi time, he let them drink local brew silly as a tool to fight their opposition to him. And because they felt persecuted then, many left for abroad - hence no contest that Kikuyu tribe the largest kenyan tribe outside Kenya.
Turning to RV and Kalenjin, they are not that many Kalenjins. Moi and Jubilee upped their numbers for election purposes. On their own UDA-a Kalenjin party has no numbers - Kalenjin not even a tribe - coined by Moi pre-independence. I asked you this question you skirted around it.
As usual misinformation is your hallmark but Nipateans on this forum have the likes of @AudacityOfHope to fix and correct that:
Acccording to the official 2019 population census figures this is the list of most populous counties in Kenya:
1. Nairobi (4.3 million)
2. Kiambu (2.4 million),
3. Nakuru (2.1million),
4. Kakamega (1.8 million) and
5. Bungoma (1.6 million).
BTW why is there no Kalenjin county on this list? Mmezoea kuiba kura since days of Moi; 2022 mtajua hanna numbers kabisa!! :85:
Most populated counties in Kenya | Nation (https://nation.africa/kenya/life-and-style/7-most-populated-counties-in-kenya--64722)
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-11-04-census-list-of-most-populous-counties-in-kenya/
Lastly Pundit, get well soon. Many a classmate of mine have been felled by Covid-19 (some in very short periods) in recent days so we know it can be serious, serious enough for me to have taken my jab.
kiambu 2 or 3 million votes require national audit...rest imo sawa..considering age cohorts are not same...gema has more adults...
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Kiambu I see no 1.1 so gema combined should be 25..I think as population 23..kikuyus are 18 or less
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Ruto after supporting Uhuru since 2000 - and still Uhuru pick Gideon. Noone will touch Ruto skunk with 10ft pole including the clueless flower-girls and you compare him with Raila? By the way - D/PM must be elected MPs (national assembly) - so how do Kalonzo, Mdvd, Weta, Giddy qualify before 2022?
Naskia bbi secretariat folded n chamvi taken to harambe house. Robina you're very naive like Raila.There is no day uhuru or moi or Kibaki or Kenya elites will sasa Babu tosha.Feared mercurial.Ruto ni wao.Uhuru now is on Gideon Moi.
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How did uhuru become minister in 2001.Those guys can be in parliament in New York minute.Ruto is front runner that everyone trying to bring down.Sasa why would he be propped..yet combine Raila and Uhuru wanahema against him.Power is from ground popularity..not number of flowergirlsaround you..Ruto has jubilees soul intact.Raila is not part of uhuru future..except if he accepts to be kym.But you are so deluded like kichwa was before 2013 who thought Kibaki and obama were preparing the way for jesus..only to be waloooped by ICC indicted duo
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Matiangi used violence against uda..I don't see any much difference..Jubilee will try to rig itself in gusii.As for juja n all these...remember ruto cannot campaign directly..n for strategic reasons will avoid uhuru.
Which expose his tenuous hold on Gema. Let see if Moses Kuria has balls to attack Uhuru as he square with Kabogo.
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Lol D/PMs have to be elected MPs - not senator or nominated. Read BBI please. That disqualify the flower-girls. Hybrid needs referendum... do you deny this? you are so ignorant.
Ruto UDA is facing loss after loss - and you cry machinery violence or respect for widows as excuse. In Garissa ati they respect Haji BBI chairman :)
You can't explain how Raila needs Ruto cause they have opposite interest. Flower-girls and MPs you been lecturing us since 2018 that they follow the ground. But now we are in 2021 - few months to showtime - but I see noone joining Ruto. Didmus and Mvurya are dumping him.
How did uhuru become minister in 2001.Those guys can be in parliament in New York minute.Ruto is front runner that everyone trying to bring down.Sasa why would he be propped..yet combine Raila and Uhuru wanahema against him.Power is from ground popularity..not number of flowergirlsaround you..Ruto has jubilees soul intact.Raila is not part of uhuru future..except if he accepts to be kym.But you are so deluded like kichwa was before 2013 who thought Kibaki and obama were preparing the way for jesus..only to be waloooped by ICC indicted duo
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Robina is the true definition of self deceit . We mentioned here that Railas aim was to initiate a contest a pit Mt Kenya against Ruto and in the event win Mt Kenya for 2022 elections . But he comes to realize too late no matter what , Mt Kenya will never support him .
It is now almost 20 years since Raila started his beef with Kibaki and Mt Kenya - To forgive him it will take years . Actually most probably not in our generation . Children who were born in Mt Kenya in 2004 will be eligible to vote in 2022 and their whole lifetime they have seen Raila as their tormentor , You think they will vote for Raila because of BBI ?
Ruto is the incoming President , he is doing fine though with some blunders here and there , any association with Raila be it a scaremongering tactic against government operachicks will only dent his image in Mt Kenya - He needs to stay away and clear from Raila .
A fallout with Uhuru has not affected him that much in Mt Kenya simply because they see in him a person who will battle it out with Raila .
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I see uhuru lost BBI interest after judiciary injuncted him...stopping from sign into law until issues heard determined
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Robina is the true definition of self deceit . We mentioned here that Railas aim was to initiate a contest a pit Mt Kenya against Ruto and in the event win Mt Kenya for 2022 elections . But he comes to realize too late no matter what , Mt Kenya will never support him .
It is now almost 20 years since Raila started his beef with Kibaki and Mt Kenya - To forgive him it will take years . Actually most probably not in our generation . Children who were born in Mt Kenya in 2004 will be eligible to vote in 2022 and their whole lifetime they have seen Raila as their tormentor , You think they will vote for Raila because of BBI ?
Ruto is the incoming President , he is doing fine though with some blunders here and there , any association with Raila be it a scaremongering tactic against government operachicks will only dent his image in Mt Kenya - He needs to stay away and clear from Raila .
A fallout with Uhuru has not affected him that much in Mt Kenya simply because they see in him a person who will battle it out with Raila .
What self-deceit? I have maintained Raila does not need to tour Mt Kenya nor get their direct support any more than he needs say Kamba support. BBI is a power-sharing deal so Gema only need to follow their own interest:- 1M1V1S, PM, etc - which is what BBI offers. One Kenya cannot win PORK on their own and so long as Uhuru prefes Raila over Ruto, the latter is endangered by his thinning Gema support.
You cannot show us how the BBI common interest (for the Handshake crew of Uhuru, Raila, Sacred flower-girls) has diverged. Because it hasn't. Ruto is still the common enemy. Mt Kenya leaders have refused to board UDA for one. Only a handful of usual diehards have joined:- Nyoro, Ngunjiri, Kihika. Even Kuria PEP is more popular than UDA in Mt Kenya.
If there is a real Uhuru-Raila fallout we will soon see. It can't be silenced for long just like the Uhurutopia explosion. Only desperate UDA is cheering loudly while everyone else seems unbothered.
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"UDA is DOA" is a fact right now. No redemption coming soon.
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Uhuru Raila fallout is near complete. Robina you missed it.
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"UDA is DOA" is a fact right now. No redemption coming soon.
Doa where...
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Raila thought this was another Rainbow coalition moment , another Orange Moment. They even coined a name the Mandela moment.
He was outsmarted by KKK in 2010 constituion , Ruto made him lose the Rift Valley. He should have learnt now Coast is gone , Western is gone.
BBI is predominantly an Uhuru document to ensure he safeguards the family wealth. If it goes through Ruto will become a powerful president but Uhuru will have leverage over him. And yes Raila supporters are becoming more anti BBI. Ruto should stay far away ajiangalilie after the mess is over come in and focus on 2022.
Uhuru Raila fallout is near complete. Robina you missed it.
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Obado atimua Raila migori..they want baba in Bondo https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-03-30-obado-in-daredevil-fight-to-end-raila-stranglehold-on-nyanza/
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Obado atimua Raila migori..they want baba in Bondo https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-03-30-obado-in-daredevil-fight-to-end-raila-stranglehold-on-nyanza/
This is good for Luo as Raila expiry nears. Baba will pop off in few years. I doubt likes of Orengo can take on the alley cat. Unless Raila becomes PORK Obado is next Luo kingpin.
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"UDA is DOA" is a fact right now. No redemption coming soon.
Doa where...
UDA has been routed everywhere. I mean their base is RV, Gema and NEP... but they are ducking by-elections in the last two with flimsy excuses. The embarrassment on March 4th and 18th was sobering.
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Uhuru Raila fallout is near complete. Robina you missed it.
This remains a fervent UDA prayer :) I see no divergence of interest: containing Ruto through BBI referendum.
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Uhuru Raila fallout is near complete. Robina you missed it.
This remains a fervent UDA prayer :) I see no divergence of interest: containing Ruto through BBI referendum.
I thought Ruto contained. BBI and handshake iko ICU as uhuru is busy tearing odm apart n propping Gideo moi but you're stuck like a broken record than uhuru is making Raila pork..an impossible task for many well known reasons