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Title: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
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Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: KenyanPlato on January 18, 2021, 11:11:17 PM
Ndii has political intelligence of a door knob
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Fairandbalanced on January 19, 2021, 12:03:38 AM
Going by this narrative, Luos have been the most marginalized or oppressed since independence. The biggest beneficiary of crony capitalism and cartels is Ruto otherwise he would be selling rabbits somewhere in Kalenjinland. Ruto has been part and parcel of every oppressive government in Kenya and especially the Moi one. Raila has borne the most pain from the oppressors from no trial detention to election rigging. You do not need a PhD to dismantle these idiotic arguments as long as Ruto is the leader of that movement. If Raila was leading this so called hustler movement, it would have some credibility.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 19, 2021, 01:25:11 AM
The more dynasties become afraid the more emboldened the hustlers
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 19, 2021, 03:08:38 AM
Ndii has political intelligence of a door knob

I think he takes things personally.  Last campaign he had the right idea that Kenyans see tribe before everything else and even after.  That must made him very unpopular in Central because he was fighting against their political hegemony.  The irony is this position would make him a natural with BBI.  I don’t think he is a hypocrite.  But he lets personal differences interfere with his political judgment.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: patel on January 19, 2021, 04:11:20 AM
At this rate if Ndii is not careful he will trigger a class warfare in kwinya. Middle class only buffer left.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: KenyanPlato on January 19, 2021, 05:53:27 AM
Ndii can't trigger shit. He thinks poor people are not rational beings. There is no way to solve poor people problems through class warfare. Kenya actually is spending more on poor than ever before. Education is universally funded. Higher education is funded based on needs. What is lacking of momentum to modernize economy to make it more dynamic. Otherwise exploitation of poor us less now than it has ever been. Even ruto is just baffling once he gets elected next year he will have to focus or lose the support quickly. Uhuru term is over. Time for theories is over. Ruto is next president with octogerian raila back to opposition
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: audacityofhope on January 19, 2021, 06:32:04 AM
Ndii has political intelligence of a door knob

I think he takes things personally.  Last campaign he had the right idea that Kenyans see tribe before everything else and even after.  That must made him very unpopular in Central because he was fighting against their political hegemony.  The irony is this position would make him a natural with BBI.  I don’t think he is a hypocrite.  But he lets personal differences interfere with his political judgment.
@Termie,
Taking the cue from @KenyanPlato, I think, nay I know you have nailed it. In his formative years before he went to study for his Ph.D, Ndii and I - new kids on the block - were regulars sitting in meetings and committees. At UNEP he was guaranteed to clash with other meeting participants and frankly civility was restored after he left for his studies. He had this air about himself that he was better than others but not many in the audience were convinced, - he had zero skills in consensus building - so he would end up emotional and frustrated saying words or statements better not said in the heat of the moment. In short, he overrated himself.
He and Arap mashamba are a similar breed. People who seek the highest honors so that they can use that to shut everyone down in the room sababu wamesoma kuliko wote in the room. SMDH.

If Ndii really thinks this isn't a class war but an oppressor vs oppressed then how is a fellow who bought a 4WD dropping their child in school an oppressor? Swali tu!
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: audacityofhope on January 19, 2021, 06:42:32 AM
.... Ruto is next president with octogerian raila back to opposition
Whatcha talkin bout Willis?  :o
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 19, 2021, 06:46:46 AM
The problem with Kenya is the youth bulge..without jobs.This hustler nation is real and nothing can stop it now.The genie is out of the bottle.The dynasties are confused. BBI which proposes tribal coalition is unpopular.Ruto I keep telling people is a great propagandist in mould of German Joseph Geobel.I first noticed him in 90s by his ability to sell Kanu and moi...later uhuru..almost impossible task. Ruto then was pushing for generation change...youth revolution led by 30yrs old kids.It only got undone by Raila tosharing kibaki.Come ODM..Ruto was their best campaigner but obviously Raila was so terrified by Ruto abilities he tried to stifle it instead of growing. Ruto then switched to Uhuru and shocked the world when both ICC indicted persons got elected. The scare mongers about consequences of being pariah nation got nowhere. The fact that kikuyu and kalenjin had fought few years..oil and water..was irrelevant..for Ruto had sold his narrative very well.Ruto is very good with propaganda and messaging...and careful select his words..and nurture smart folks with gift of the gab like him.He doesn't trip like uhuru is doing..he is very careful with his words and obviously work hard so can market any idea.Its help that he is brilliant and can think on the feet.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: audacityofhope on January 19, 2021, 07:10:01 AM
...The scare mongers about consequences of being pariah nation got nowhere....

Got nowhere? Really? Under the duo, Kenya is indebted to astronomical levels with very little to show for it - save for an unviable overpriced SGR. Nothing else but wanton plunder of the Nation resources. You went to school but tribalism has poisoned your DNA. Anytime you unzip, stop and think - dont pass it on. Please. This country yearns for solid achievement not propaganda and here you are praising those who spinners. SMDH.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 19, 2021, 07:19:51 AM
...The scare mongers about consequences of being pariah nation got nowhere....

Go nowhere? Really? Under the duo, Kenya is indebted to astronomical levels with very little to show for it - save for an unviable overpriced SGR. Nothing else but wanton plunder of the Nation resources. You went to school but tribalism has poisoned your DNA. Anytime you unzip, stop and think - dont pass it on. Please. This country yearns for solid achievement not propaganda and here you are praising those who spinners. SMDH.
Jubilee improved its 2and term votes from 50 to 55% ,got more mps and were so popular that Raila boycotted the repeat elections..where Jubilee got 9m votes.Jubilee is now dead of course and we have new coalition the hustler nation.Uhuru legacy is now in trouble after edging out Ruto and bringing in Raila.Please own your mess.Ruto was proud of his term in office as coalition partner with Uhuru.That changed with Jubilee now a party and Ruto a mere DPORK. People can see dishonest Raila crew who were proclaiming Ruto out of  gov and them in..now running from their mess.Please own the mess.Ruto everyone knows was edged out immediately after election therefore not responsible for jubilee incompetence and mess..jubilee 1.0 was already marked a period of great success.. unpredicented. There in lies Ruto and Raila difference..Ruto gets the job done...he is not just good with propaganda
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: audacityofhope on January 19, 2021, 07:28:07 AM
...The scare mongers about consequences of being pariah nation got nowhere....

Got nowhere? Really? Under the duo, Kenya is indebted to astronomical levels with very little to show for it - save for an unviable overpriced SGR. Nothing else but wanton plunder of the Nation resources. You went to school but tribalism has poisoned your DNA. Anytime you unzip, stop and think - dont pass it on. Please. This country yearns for solid achievement not propaganda and here you are praising those who spinners. SMDH.
Jubilee improved its 2and term votes from 50 to 55% ,got more mps and were so popular that Raila boycotted the repeat elections..where Jubilee got 9m votes.Jubilee is now dead of course and we have new coalition the hustler nation.Uhuru legacy is now in trouble after edging out Ruto and bringing in Raila.Please own your mess.Ruto was proud of his term in office as coalition partner with Uhuru.That changed with Jubilee now a party and Ruto a mere DPORK. People can see dishonest Raila crew who were proclaiming Ruto out of  gov and them in..now running from their mess.Please own the mess.Ruto everyone knows was edged out

Except from Kalonzo's statement:

In the same vein, I challenge DP Ruto, alias "Arap Mashamba" well known for his unbridled greed for both public and private land, to offer himself for investigation concerning the following scandals that are in the public domain:

1. The grabbing of the land belonging to Hon. Joseph Murumbi, Kenya’s first Vice-President and a renowned conservationist.
2. The attempted land grab of the Langata Road Primary School playground, where innocent children were mercilessly teargassed and traumatized.
3. The grabbing of the piece of land on which Weston Hotel is located. It is in public knowledge that the land is public property belonging to the Kenya Airports Authority.
4. Who grabbed more than 100 acres belonging to the late Adrian Muteshi, an IDP who died out of bitterness and frustrations having fought for more than 10 years trying to reclaim his land, albeit successfully. The D.P was found criminally culpable.
5. DP Ruto should tell Kenyans the truth about who swindled Makindu Motors of millions of shillings, where a businessman lost  Kshs.300 million due to shenanigans emanating from his office.
6. Can Arap Mashamba tell Kenyans how he acquired large tracts of land in Taita Taveta County?
7.What does DP Ruto know about the fake arms scandal, where one of his bodyguards Seargent Kipyegon Kenei was murdered?
8. Can DP Ruto explain what he knows about the loss of over 4 billion shillings of public funds meant for the construction of Arror and Kimwarer dams? Why was he so defensive when news of the scandal broke out? What information did he want kept out of the public's eye concerning those collapsed projects?
9.DP Ruto should be ready to also give a statement on what he knows about the recent camera scandal that led to one of his bodyguards to "commit suicide." Is there more than meets the eye in that sad incident?
10. I therefore demand on behalf of all Kenyans that the D.P subjects himself to a transparent lifestyle audit.

Let us be honest with ourselves. As leaders in particular, and as Kenyans in general, we must learn to accountable for all our acts of omission and commission. In this regard, I urge “Arap Mashamba” to stop being hypocritical and to take responsibility for his misdeeds, which stink to high heavens.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 19, 2021, 07:34:15 AM
Nice except press conference and such statements are not effective.Ruto destroyed kalonzo in a rally.He need to respond in a rally
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Fairandbalanced on January 19, 2021, 02:58:16 PM
Imagine the task Uhuru had to do to sell Ruto in central, Ruto with his 1.5m votes in kalenjinland was going to be last if he contested on his own. Moi did not need any selling, he was winning by crushing skulls and Ralia during Kibaki’s time did not need much selling in Kalenjinland, the hatred against Kikuyus aka madoadoa was enough motivation in Kalenjinland. I am still not buying that Ruto is going to be able to beat a team Kenya even if it’s led by Raila Odinga.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 19, 2021, 05:48:38 PM
Ndii has political intelligence of a door knob

I think he takes things personally.  Last campaign he had the right idea that Kenyans see tribe before everything else and even after.  That must made him very unpopular in Central because he was fighting against their political hegemony.  The irony is this position would make him a natural with BBI.  I don’t think he is a hypocrite.  But he lets personal differences interfere with his political judgment.
@Termie,
Taking the cue from @KenyanPlato, I think, nay I know you have nailed it. In his formative years before he went to study for his Ph.D, Ndii and I - new kids on the block - were regulars sitting in meetings and committees. At UNEP he was guaranteed to clash with other meeting participants and frankly civility was restored after he left for his studies. He had this air about himself that he was better than others but not many in the audience were convinced, - he had zero skills in consensus building - so he would end up emotional and frustrated saying words or statements better not said in the heat of the moment. In short, he overrated himself.
He and Arap mashamba are a similar breed. People who seek the highest honors so that they can use that to shut everyone down in the room sababu wamesoma kuliko wote in the room. SMDH.

If Ndii really thinks this isn't a class war but an oppressor vs oppressed then how is a fellow who bought a 4WD dropping their child in school an oppressor? Swali tu!

So he is like Miguna.  I think his real beef is against Uhuru; a beef bordering on vendetta.  That makes him take off character positions, including siding with the Ruto gang, just to be on the other side.  His tweet rant is little more than grudge induced pablum. 
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 19, 2021, 06:35:57 PM
True Luo Nyanza have been opressed by none other than their political godfamily Odinga family. Raila is one of the richest Kenyans and he has become that by oppressing Luo Nyanza, he has used them for poltical reasons to cut deals post 1997 elections and become a Cabinet Minister where he was able to amass wealth. In 2007 he oppressed Kenyans by causing a war which used it as ladder to ascend to Prime Ministerial post.

Right now he has teamed with Uhuru another oppressor to shove down the oppressed throats of a constitution which will create more posts(Prime Minister , Deputy Prime Ministers and elected Ministers for the oppressors at the helm of the oppressed(hustlers).  Its well known in Kenya Dynasties are Pro BBI and Hustlers anti BBI. Where is Raila Dynasty(Oppressor) or (Hustler Oppressed)

He has been on record calling Opressed "Takataka" .Thats the language of the oppressor . As Junet once mentioned they are the cows to the oppresor

Going by this narrative, Luos have been the most marginalized or oppressed since independence. The biggest beneficiary of crony capitalism and cartels is Ruto otherwise he would be selling rabbits somewhere in Kalenjinland. Ruto has been part and parcel of every oppressive government in Kenya and especially the Moi one. Raila has borne the most pain from the oppressors from no trial detention to election rigging. You do not need a PhD to dismantle these idiotic arguments as long as Ruto is the leader of that movement. If Raila was leading this so called hustler movement, it would have some credibility.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 19, 2021, 06:37:56 PM
The more dynasties become afraid the more emboldened the hustlers

So who between dynasties and hustlers are oppressors and oppressed
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 19, 2021, 06:44:06 PM
Dynasties have blinked. Huge mistake in war. If you go face to face with Lion - and stare them at eye without blinking - they win run.

The big mistake dynasties are making is showing the long oppressed hustlers that they are scared of this hustler narrative.

The more they try to block it; the more it grow;

There is nothing the oppressed love than a scared oppressed.

It's like a bully budging.

They are talking of class war - that is even motivating it - because most poor have nothing to lose in such a war - in fact they have everything to gain.

So who between dynasties and hustlers are oppressors and oppressed
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 19, 2021, 06:47:44 PM
Can I ask a question , Mt Kenyans have been labeled tribal since time memorial for always supporting one of their own. But alas when they decide to support Ruto (from another tribe) they are discouraged and reminded that their leader is Uhuru.  This is the epitome of hypocrisy . The truth of the matter is Democracy is about majority have their way and minority their say. Mt Kenya is a big voting block and one way Raila and his team have been trying to subdue them is by labeling them tribal , it didnt work , when they decide to form alliances with other groups they are now being told support your own . This tactic will also not subdue them
 
BBI is the one talking about tribal politics , the rotational president politics . Hustler movement on the other hand is talking about empowerment , now which side all along have been playing deceitful politics?



Ndii has political intelligence of a door knob

I think he takes things personally.  Last campaign he had the right idea that Kenyans see tribe before everything else and even after.  That must made him very unpopular in Central because he was fighting against their political hegemony.  The irony is this position would make him a natural with BBI.  I don’t think he is a hypocrite.  But he lets personal differences interfere with his political judgment.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 19, 2021, 06:56:07 PM
As for poor Uhuru - he realize that GEMA and Kalenjin are not keen to fight each other anymore - but instead are starting to redirect their arrows and machettes on their own dynasties. Kalenjin will deal with Moi and rich gang...as GEMA deal with Uhuru and his rich ganga.

Now scared Uhuru is telling kikuyu lets play tribal politics, start war with Kalenjin and endanger a million of our own poor people lifes and properties - but please nobody touch the wealth of one man Kenyatta.

Personal interest versus community interest.

Uhuru is loosing 10-nil and should not tempt fate because the kenyattas may find their wealthy destroyed - eitther way - because Raila has his huge axe to grind - and Ruto may decide to repay back - some of uhuru betrayals.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 19, 2021, 06:57:48 PM
By default, anything Raila support is legit, and anything by Ruto is deceit, according to many ODMers.
Can I ask a question , Mt Kenyans have been labeled tribal since time memorial for always supporting one of their own. But alas when they decide to support Ruto (from another tribe) they are discouraged and reminded that their leader is Uhuru.  This is the epitome of hypocrisy . The truth of the matter is Democracy is about majority have their way and minority their say. Mt Kenya is a big voting block and one way Raila and his team have been trying to subdue them is by labeling them tribal , it didnt work , when they decide to form alliances with other groups they are now being told support your own . This tactic will also not subdue them
 
BBI is the one talking about tribal politics , the rotational president politics . Hustler movement on the other hand is talking about empowerment , now which side all along have been playing deceitful politics?



Ndii has political intelligence of a door knob

I think he takes things personally.  Last campaign he had the right idea that Kenyans see tribe before everything else and even after.  That must made him very unpopular in Central because he was fighting against their political hegemony.  The irony is this position would make him a natural with BBI.  I don’t think he is a hypocrite.  But he lets personal differences interfere with his political judgment.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 19, 2021, 07:41:03 PM
Can I ask a question , Mt Kenyans have been labeled tribal since time memorial for always supporting one of their own. But alas when they decide to support Ruto (from another tribe) they are discouraged and reminded that their leader is Uhuru.  This is the epitome of hypocrisy .

Of course they are tribal.  Even the purported support for Ruto would still be tribal.  Because Ruto promises to keep the game(do they call it ping-pong?) they love going. 

The truth of the matter is Democracy is about majority have their way and minority their say. Mt Kenya is a big voting block and one way Raila and his team have been trying to subdue them is by labeling them tribal , it didnt work , when they decide to form alliances with other groups they are now being told support your own . This tactic will also not subdue them

That is debatable.  Some would say he did but he was rigged out.  I am sure you don't believe that and no amount of argumentation(I dare say even evidence) will change that.  And that's fine.  We are past that.  The point is, BBI attempts to provide a solution in which those differences are dealt with once and for all.  The hustler wants to continue to exploit those differences.

BBI is the one talking about tribal politics , the rotational president politics . Hustler movement on the other hand is talking about empowerment , now which side all along have been playing deceitful politics?

I don't know if you are familiar with racism in the US.  If you are, you would know that one of the racist's favorite tactics to perpetuate it, is to pretend that talking about it is the same as practicing it.  They try to protect it by the maintaining unchanged the status quo into which it is baked by acting as if there is nothing wrong.  Tribalism is Kenya's Achilles heel - I don't think you can walk around it.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Dear Mami on January 20, 2021, 05:27:32 AM
So he is like Miguna.  I think his real beef is against Uhuru; a beef bordering on vendetta.  That makes him take off character positions, including siding with the Ruto gang, just to be on the other side.  His tweet rant is little more than grudge induced pablum.

I think so too (Ndii hates Kamwana so much, he'd probably support an Idi Amin to oust him). I'm very disappointed because I think his analysis of our economic problems is spot on. Just yesterday, I read of our struggle to pay off a 7.1 Trillion debt, worth 69% of our entire economy! :o Sheer madness. A crime of the highest order against our children. What I do not understand? How Ndii has magically forgotten that Ruto was part and parcel of this craziness. He's acting like Raila was involved when he warned against it the entire time. Raila has gotten involved when Kamwana has started to right the sinking ship with pathetic last-ditch efforts. Ruto was fully on board when they decided to sink it by loading it with unsustainable debt that would yield nothing.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on January 20, 2021, 07:31:25 AM
I think so too (Ndii hates Kamwana so much, he'd probably support an Idi Amin to oust him). I'm very disappointed because I think his analysis of our economic problems is spot on. Just yesterday, I read of our struggle to pay off a 7.1 Trillion debt, worth 69% of our entire economy! :o Sheer madness. A crime of the highest order against our children. What I do not understand? How Ndii has magically forgotten that Ruto was part and parcel of this craziness. He's acting like Raila was involved when he warned against it the entire time. Raila has gotten involved when Kamwana has started to right the sinking ship with pathetic last-ditch efforts. Ruto was fully on board when they decided to sink it by loading it with unsustainable debt that would yield nothing.

Very disappointing. Ruto is status quo damu however much he brands himself as an outsider. If you want a root and branch uprooting of the vested political interests you have to go with tinga. It is no brainer. GEMA and Kalenjin hegemony are two sides of the same coin. Both are super corrupt and heartless. As long as the two lead Kenya, forget any progress. God help us.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: audacityofhope on January 20, 2021, 07:51:37 AM
I think so too (Ndii hates Kamwana so much, he'd probably support an Idi Amin to oust him). I'm very disappointed because I think his analysis of our economic problems is spot on. Just yesterday, I read of our struggle to pay off a 7.1 Trillion debt, worth 69% of our entire economy! :o Sheer madness. A crime of the highest order against our children. What I do not understand? How Ndii has magically forgotten that Ruto was part and parcel of this craziness. He's acting like Raila was involved when he warned against it the entire time. Raila has gotten involved when Kamwana has started to right the sinking ship with pathetic last-ditch efforts. Ruto was fully on board when they decided to sink it by loading it with unsustainable debt that would yield nothing.

Very disappointing. Ruto is status quo damu however much he brands himself as an outsider. If you want a root and branch uprooting of the vested political interests you have to go with tinga. It is no brainer. GEMA and Kalenjin hegemony are two sides of the same coin. Both are super corrupt and heartless. As long as the two lead Kenya, forget any progress. God help us.
:iagree: Spoken like 10 wise men who have lived 100 years in colonial and post-colonial Kenya! Very sober analysis. Arcadian_Dreamer, you are certainly not a dreamer but let us not leave it up to God. My hope is that the majority of Kenyans are like Kalonzo, not necessarily loud but when push gets to shove they will fight tooth and nail with an energy hitherto unknown to do what is right 8)
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 20, 2021, 08:15:43 AM
So he is like Miguna.  I think his real beef is against Uhuru; a beef bordering on vendetta.  That makes him take off character positions, including siding with the Ruto gang, just to be on the other side.  His tweet rant is little more than grudge induced pablum.

I think so too (Ndii hates Kamwana so much, he'd probably support an Idi Amin to oust him). I'm very disappointed because I think his analysis of our economic problems is spot on. Just yesterday, I read of our struggle to pay off a 7.1 Trillion debt, worth 69% of our entire economy! :o Sheer madness. A crime of the highest order against our children. What I do not understand? How Ndii has magically forgotten that Ruto was part and parcel of this craziness. He's acting like Raila was involved when he warned against it the entire time. Raila has gotten involved when Kamwana has started to right the sinking ship with pathetic last-ditch efforts. Ruto was fully on board when they decided to sink it by loading it with unsustainable debt that would yield nothing.

Facts.Jubilee 1.0 borrowed mainly for SGR.jubilee 2.0 where Raila is key partner has borrowed more with absolutely nothing to show
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 20, 2021, 08:36:02 AM
The entire civil society..not just Ndii have abandoned Raila
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on January 20, 2021, 06:00:40 PM
:iagree: Spoken like 10 wise men who have lived 100 years in colonial and post-colonial Kenya! Very sober analysis. Arcadian_Dreamer, you are certainly not a dreamer but let us not leave it up to God. My hope is that the majority of Kenyans are like Kalonzo, calm but sensible and when push gets to shove they will fight tooth and nail with an energy hitherto unknown!  8)

Shukran 🙏
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 20, 2021, 06:03:56 PM
So he is like Miguna.  I think his real beef is against Uhuru; a beef bordering on vendetta.  That makes him take off character positions, including siding with the Ruto gang, just to be on the other side.  His tweet rant is little more than grudge induced pablum.

I think so too (Ndii hates Kamwana so much, he'd probably support an Idi Amin to oust him). I'm very disappointed because I think his analysis of our economic problems is spot on. Just yesterday, I read of our struggle to pay off a 7.1 Trillion debt, worth 69% of our entire economy! :o Sheer madness. A crime of the highest order against our children. What I do not understand? How Ndii has magically forgotten that Ruto was part and parcel of this craziness. He's acting like Raila was involved when he warned against it the entire time. Raila has gotten involved when Kamwana has started to right the sinking ship with pathetic last-ditch efforts. Ruto was fully on board when they decided to sink it by loading it with unsustainable debt that would yield nothing.


He has his areas where he is an authority.  It's only human to tend to conflate someone's expertise in one area, with expertise in all or most things.  I find myself always reevaluating guys like him, and reminding myself when to ignore him and when to pay attention.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 20, 2021, 08:34:17 PM
Ndii has been consitent in his ideals since back then in 1992 , he has never changed unlike the so called young Turks who have time and again kissed enemies in the quest of power.
Hypocrates are the ODMers who were defending Ndiis policies back when he was supporting Raila and attacking Uhuru but now attack Ndii and say Uhuru is in the process of resurrecting Kenyan economy simply beacuse he has joined hands with Raila.
Ndii has been vindicated he outed Uhuru since back then secondly he has just confirmed  he is not  tribal unlike real ODMers who a real tribal hiding on elitists and educated monikers .

At this rate if Ndii is not careful he will trigger a class warfare in kwinya. Middle class only buffer left.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 20, 2021, 08:38:14 PM

Kenyanplato , would advice you to go through Ndiis articles in depth . This is a person when you were running away from Kenya , he was laying down Kibakis blue print . Kibaki is a confirmed success , Uhuru with Railas support in second term is a confirmed failure . This is a just a fact

Ndii can't trigger shit. He thinks poor people are not rational beings. There is no way to solve poor people problems through class warfare. Kenya actually is spending more on poor than ever before. Education is universally funded. Higher education is funded based on needs. What is lacking of momentum to modernize economy to make it more dynamic. Otherwise exploitation of poor us less now than it has ever been. Even ruto is just baffling once he gets elected next year he will have to focus or lose the support quickly. Uhuru term is over. Time for theories is over. Ruto is next president with octogerian raila back to opposition
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 20, 2021, 08:42:59 PM
I aint from Canada but I see a lot of things

.... Ruto is next president with octogerian raila back to opposition
Whatcha talkin bout Willis?  :o
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 20, 2021, 08:47:26 PM
Lets talk about SGR , yes Uhuru with Rutos help got SGR built and fuctional during his first term , now tell us what Uhuru with Railas help has gotten in his second term

...The scare mongers about consequences of being pariah nation got nowhere....

Got nowhere? Really? Under the duo, Kenya is indebted to astronomical levels with very little to show for it - save for an unviable overpriced SGR. Nothing else but wanton plunder of the Nation resources. You went to school but tribalism has poisoned your DNA. Anytime you unzip, stop and think - dont pass it on. Please. This country yearns for solid achievement not propaganda and here you are praising those who spinners. SMDH.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 20, 2021, 08:54:29 PM
2nd term big 4 failed..handshake and BBI failing..maybe nys army renovation of the old rail that keep stalling..I hear nanyuki one you're likely to sleep in the forest in 3 hour matatu journey..2nd term is just painting the pig some lipstick.mgr will not work because nobody is making new engines for that..so it waste of time..old trains will have issues that makes it unreliable .Honestly I thought he pulled through  at least housing..total FAILURE
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on January 20, 2021, 10:39:28 PM
Lets talk about SGR , yes Uhuru with Rutos help got SGR built and fuctional during his first term , now tell us what Uhuru with Railas help has gotten in his second term

Skiza Pundit, don't hide behind alternate profiles we know who you are. Uhuruto didn't build shit, the Chinese did, they conceived it, financed it, designed it, the whole hog, all these two remedial thugs did was pen their signature to a contract the CCP drew up giving away their country's sovereignty. Nothing to brag about, eti he built SGR. There was no money in the second term, it was all used up during the first mainly looting by Ruto.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Fairandbalanced on January 20, 2021, 10:52:12 PM
All these inshas are a waste of time. Kenyans have never voted on development or idiology. I will save you a lot of time, energy and pain and let you know that Ruto is not becoming president of Kenya in 2022.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on January 20, 2021, 11:00:56 PM
All these inshas are a waste of time. Kenyans have never voted on development or idiology. I will save you a lot of time, energy and pain and let you know that Ruto is not becoming president of Kenya in 2022.

Yep. Deep state is dead set against his presidency. He is an international pariah to boot. He is done, he knows it.

Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 21, 2021, 05:51:18 AM
Lets talk about SGR , yes Uhuru with Rutos help got SGR built and fuctional during his first term , now tell us what Uhuru with Railas help has gotten in his second term

Skiza Pundit, don't hide behind alternate profiles we know who you are. Uhuruto didn't build shit, the Chinese did, they conceived it, financed it, designed it, the whole hog, all these two remedial thugs did was pen their signature to a contract the CCP drew up giving away their country's sovereignty. Nothing to brag about, eti he built SGR. There was no money in the second term, it was all used up during the first mainly looting by Ruto.
unlike you I have never changed or used alternate moniker all my online life..why would I do that
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 21, 2021, 05:52:55 AM
All these inshas are a waste of time. Kenyans have never voted on development or idiology. I will save you a lot of time, energy and pain and let you know that Ruto is not becoming president of Kenya in 2022.

Yep. Deep state is dead set against his presidency. He is an international pariah to boot. He is done, he knows it.


Presidency is  not given..its taken.Who is deep state?Name 5 of its members.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 21, 2021, 05:56:23 AM
All these inshas are a waste of time. Kenyans have never voted on development or idiology. I will save you a lot of time, energy and pain and let you know that Ruto is not becoming president of Kenya in 2022.
Who are you...mere truck driver in Boston..a forner tout from Limuru.Ruto is winning big because he has the numbers and national support...the tribal maths favour him.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: audacityofhope on January 21, 2021, 08:00:31 AM
All these inshas are a waste of time. Kenyans have never voted on development or idiology. I will save you a lot of time, energy and pain and let you know that Ruto is not becoming president of Kenya in 2022.
Who are you...mere truck driver in Boston..a forner tout from Limuru.Ruto is winning big because he has the numbers and national support...the tribal maths favour him.
But he is saying the truth. Arap Mashamba is rattling even those who didn't give a fuck and would have looked the other way. They will now stick their necks out like Kalonzo did and make it their priority to ensure this guy never sees the inside of state house.
You ask who F&B is? Well he is Kenyan by birth just like you. You are not superior to him in any way.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 21, 2021, 08:10:14 AM
Anybody can blurt anything but please provide the reasoning behind.

If I say Raila will not become PORK in 2022 - I can give you sound reasoning behind it.

Ruto can only stopped by maybe a bullet or plane accident - otherwise he is winning BIG!

And why is he winning big - he has the numbers - his opponents even if they all agree to merge into anti-Ruto alliance like they are doing will still fail.

Ruto has worked hard and smart for this. Kalonzo and MDVD are hoping for some miracles.

Ruto doesn't need Kalonzo to get Kamba votes - he has Muthama as UDA chairman, he has Sonko, he has Kivutha, and he has I think half of Ukambani current Mps supporting him led by likes of Vincent Munyaka - Machakos town mp.

Kalonzo the empty suit now only has Mutula Kilonzo son - and maybe Ngilu in quid pro quid for Kitui governorship. He doesn't even have Video man Mutua :)

Why would Ruto be nice to Kalonzo - Ruto is just trying to win over Mutula Kilonzo son - and it's game over for Kalonzo - in Makueni and Machakos.

Why would Ruto be nice to MaDVD - while he already has 2 out of 4 mps from Vihiga in his camp - leave alone nearly entire Bukusu crew (your own people) and most of Kakamega.

Why would he be nice to Raila - when he is taking over coast from ODM. Or Gideon Moi. Or Uhuru.

Ruto will take war to them - and come 2022 - he will asses his position - and see who he needs to for top up if any.

But he is saying the truth. Arap Mashamba is rattling even those who didn't give a fuck and would have looked the other way. They will now stick their necks out like Kalonzo did and make it their priority to ensure this guy never sees the inside of state house.
You ask who F&B is? Well he is Kenyan by birth just like you. You are not superior to him in any way.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Fairandbalanced on January 21, 2021, 01:06:20 PM
Call me all the names you want, it does not change the fact that Ruto is not going to lead Kenya. He can threaten to unleash mayhem on the country, it’s not going to work. So far, he is the only one campaigning, he has a loud boda boda type running all over the place. The silent majority and the powers that be in the world are not sold on him. I do not need to make long convoluted arguments, It’s a total waste of time. I am not in any way implying that he is not going to be influential in Kenyan politics, he has a wide following and there is value to that but presidency, he is not going anywhere near state house.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 21, 2021, 01:16:57 PM
Coz presidency ni ya Ngina yako and powers in the world. Stop be delusional. Nothing will stop Ruto except death. That is why a whole president and entire opposition are all over the map. They have really thrown everything including the kitchen sink the last 3 now going 4yrs - and yet Dr Ruto has easily overcome them.

If you think Ruto who learnt all those little power games for 10yrs under Moi will be cowed by little deep state and system (who are they - Matiangi and his DOS/Police) -  those ones have already failed - they have thrown everything they had.

Now they are stuck.....

Call me all the names you want, it does not change the fact that Ruto is not going to lead Kenya. He can threaten to unleash mayhem on the country, it’s not going to work. So far, he is the only one campaigning, he has a loud boda boda type running all over the place. The silent majority and the powers that be in the world are not sold on him. I do not need to make long convoluted arguments, It’s a total waste of time. I am not in any way implying that he is not going to be influential in Kenyan politics, he has a wide following and there is value to that but presidency, he is not going anywhere near state house.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Fairandbalanced on January 21, 2021, 01:24:12 PM
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Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 21, 2021, 02:28:53 PM
BZK wasted 1B shs from Uhuru Kenyatta for sale of Molo Milk - in governorship contest - and now he is broke and angry.
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Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 21, 2021, 05:39:08 PM

Ndii has a reply for the likes of you here

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So he is like Miguna.  I think his real beef is against Uhuru; a beef bordering on vendetta.  That makes him take off character positions, including siding with the Ruto gang, just to be on the other side.  His tweet rant is little more than grudge induced pablum.

I think so too (Ndii hates Kamwana so much, he'd probably support an Idi Amin to oust him). I'm very disappointed because I think his analysis of our economic problems is spot on. Just yesterday, I read of our struggle to pay off a 7.1 Trillion debt, worth 69% of our entire economy! :o Sheer madness. A crime of the highest order against our children. What I do not understand? How Ndii has magically forgotten that Ruto was part and parcel of this craziness. He's acting like Raila was involved when he warned against it the entire time. Raila has gotten involved when Kamwana has started to right the sinking ship with pathetic last-ditch efforts. Ruto was fully on board when they decided to sink it by loading it with unsustainable debt that would yield nothing.


He has his areas where he is an authority.  It's only human to tend to conflate someone's expertise in one area, with expertise in all or most things.  I find myself always reevaluating guys like him, and reminding myself when to ignore him and when to pay attention.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: RV Pundit on January 21, 2021, 05:47:43 PM
Only ODM are allowed to change their position - Not anybody else

Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Fairandbalanced on January 21, 2021, 10:52:32 PM
Ruto has a lot of explaining to do, you cannot steal yourself to presidency.
Title: Re: David Ndii -The hustler-dynasty debate is about oppressors vs oppressed
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 21, 2021, 11:13:51 PM

Ndii has a reply for the likes of you here

?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

So he is like Miguna.  I think his real beef is against Uhuru; a beef bordering on vendetta.  That makes him take off character positions, including siding with the Ruto gang, just to be on the other side.  His tweet rant is little more than grudge induced pablum.

I think so too (Ndii hates Kamwana so much, he'd probably support an Idi Amin to oust him). I'm very disappointed because I think his analysis of our economic problems is spot on. Just yesterday, I read of our struggle to pay off a 7.1 Trillion debt, worth 69% of our entire economy! :o Sheer madness. A crime of the highest order against our children. What I do not understand? How Ndii has magically forgotten that Ruto was part and parcel of this craziness. He's acting like Raila was involved when he warned against it the entire time. Raila has gotten involved when Kamwana has started to right the sinking ship with pathetic last-ditch efforts. Ruto was fully on board when they decided to sink it by loading it with unsustainable debt that would yield nothing.


He has his areas where he is an authority.  It's only human to tend to conflate someone's expertise in one area, with expertise in all or most things.  I find myself always reevaluating guys like him, and reminding myself when to ignore him and when to pay attention.

I still find his takes to be pretty decent in his domain of expertise.  Not because he is an expert, but because he can explain things in a way that noobs can understand.  That is usually a sign of someone who knows what they are talking about.

So obviously, this tweet is misunderstood, willfully or otherwise, and not germane to anything in the quoted text.