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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Georgesoros on October 08, 2014, 03:51:57 PM
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This guy is a full time agitator for the president at tax payer's expense.
What about the other mpigs, did they take off?
http://standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000137517/senator-mike-sonko-leads-a-demonstration-in-the-hague
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I often wonder doesn't the president get embarrassed to be associated with these thugs?
Doesn't keeping such ill mannered people around you openly give an indication on how one conducts their affairs? Isnt UK himself implying he is just a thug ?
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It does not look good when his fanatics do this. Judges will see this as a mockery of justice, and rule against him even though they dont have a strong case against him. Ruto looks good because he goes in quietly and leaves without this drama.
I had a friend who was charged with with rape after he touched a woman (a friend of his) and masturbated in front of her. At a court hearing members of his community laughed in court while mocking the lady's side. The guy was convicted because of this, 2yrs in jail.
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Grand Dad: What's your concern Sonko. There has been serious association, intimate association, with dreaded criminals like Maina Njenga, and this choir said nada. Sonko represents a constituency. He is a reflection of that constituency. Eastlands, Youth - Not Crimininal. If we followed your argument to a logical conclusion, we may label Raila a Mungiki...flawed reason, true? But Sonko, Midiwo, Kajwang are very similar actors.
I often wonder doesn't the president get embarrassed to be associated with these thugs?
Doesn't keeping such ill mannered people around you openly give an indication on how one conducts their affairs? Isnt UK himself implying he is just a thug ?
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There you go people. Tax money to do nothing.... and nobody says a thing.
Operations of National Assembly committees have been paralysed after majority of MPs accompanied Uhuru Kenyatta to The Hague for his status conference hearings.
Yesterday, four committees that were scheduled to meet could not raise a quorum as members had gone to The Hague to offer moral support to Uhuru.
The committees that failed to meet yesterday were those of Agriculture, Finance and Transport.
The Budget and Appropriations Committee, chaired by Mutava Musyimi could only raise five members. Most House committees have between 25 and 27 members.
The Agriculture committee chaired by Adan Mohammed Noor was scheduled to meet Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Felix Koskei but no member showed up. Among members of the committee who have accompanied Uhuru are Kabando wa Kabando (Mukurwe-ini), Maison Leshomo (Samburu), Francis Waititu (Juja) and Moses ole Sakuda (Kajiado West).
Igembe Central MP Kubai Iringo walked into the venue where the Finance committee was to meet, surveyed the almost empty room, before loudly wondering if members were “serious or curious”.
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George my friend, greetings. Siku mingi. I see ICC has stirred you out of your vacay cay. Make sure you don't run out of Lucozed....I'm sitting this one out :-).
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Brynn: ICC tumemaliza. Tuko hapapa. What I found interesting is the anticlimax for Kamwana. He should have "stuka'd" a little, but Bensudo was too respectful. She even asked him for an autograph.
George my friend, greetings. Siku mingi. I see ICC has stirred you out of your vacay cay. Make sure you don't run out of Lucozed....I'm sitting this one out :-).
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George, I'm still waiting for something like...., hi Brynn :-). I know you are not in a good mood this week so you get a pass.
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Brynn: That is coming...just getting back mtandani.
George, I'm still waiting for something like...., hi Brynn :-). I know you are not in a good mood this week so you get a pass.
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Grand Dad: What's your concern Sonko. There has been serious association, intimate association, with dreaded criminals like Maina Njenga, and this choir said nada. Sonko represents a constituency. He is a reflection of that constituency. Eastlands, Youth - Not Crimininal. If we followed your argument to a logical conclusion, we may label Raila a Mungiki...flawed reason, true? But Sonko, Midiwo, Kajwang are very similar actors.
I often wonder doesn't the president get embarrassed to be associated with these thugs?
Doesn't keeping such ill mannered people around you openly give an indication on how one conducts their affairs? Isnt UK himself implying he is just a thug ?
Eeiish, Sonko is a criminal, thuggery is in his DNA....he was plucked from a jail cell (or escaped from a cell) and bough to hoodwink that constituence, which is actually very sad because they could have found someone else who is able and a good representation of civil human being....but then again, birds of a feather flock together.
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I often wonder doesn't the president get embarrassed to be associated with these thugs?
Doesn't keeping such ill mannered people around you openly give an indication on how one conducts their affairs? Isnt UK himself implying he is just a thug ?
Really my question too. I wonder how he copes with all this stupidity around.
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Grand Dad: What's your concern Sonko. There has been serious association, intimate association, with dreaded criminals like Maina Njenga, and this choir said nada. Sonko represents a constituency. He is a reflection of that constituency. Eastlands, Youth - Not Crimininal. If we followed your argument to a logical conclusion, we may label Raila a Mungiki...flawed reason, true? But Sonko, Midiwo, Kajwang are very similar actors.
I often wonder doesn't the president get embarrassed to be associated with these thugs?
Doesn't keeping such ill mannered people around you openly give an indication on how one conducts their affairs? Isnt UK himself implying he is just a thug ?
Oh yes, but the things he sometimes does are sort of crazy.
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Am talking of Kenyatta a president.
If you are OK with him hanging out with a person of such character, then .....
If Raila was president and hanging out with Sonko like I will also question it. A leader has to stand out of the crowd.
Grand Dad: What's your concern Sonko. There has been serious association, intimate association, with dreaded criminals like Maina Njenga, and this choir said nada. Sonko represents a constituency. He is a reflection of that constituency. Eastlands, Youth - Not Crimininal. If we followed your argument to a logical conclusion, we may label Raila a Mungiki...flawed reason, true? But Sonko, Midiwo, Kajwang are very similar actors.
I often wonder doesn't the president get embarrassed to be associated with these thugs?
Doesn't keeping such ill mannered people around you openly give an indication on how one conducts their affairs? Isnt UK himself implying he is just a thug ?
Oh yes, but the things he sometimes does are sort of crazy.
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This should implemented in Kenya... Paying politicians not to do anything.
NEW DELHI — Beware, o lollygagging Indian bureaucrats. If it was not already apparent that Prime Minister Narendra Modi would display a schoolmaster’s intolerance for laxity, the recent introduction of an electronic monitoring system — capable of registering the daily entry and exit times of 100,000 government officials — has made the situation abundantly clear.
The system, accessible to the public on the website attendance.gov.in, began working in early October, providing a digital dashboard that so far displays the comings and goings of more than 50,600 employees spread across 150 departments.
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The rollout of the Biometric Attendance System coincided with an article in The Times of India that said that the Bharatiya Janata Party’s president had fitted the vehicles of party members campaigning for state legislative elections with GPS units, gathering real-time evidence that they are, in fact, on the trail and not lingering in hotel lounges. Party officials would not confirm the report.
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Voters approached last week expressed full-throated approval of the planned surveillance.
“My own uncle is a government servant and we see him go into the office at 11 and so on,” said Shubham Tiwari, 20, a graduate student. “What kind of work will they do when there is not one iota of self-discipline? As it is, all the babus do is pass on files,” he added, using a colloquial term for bureaucrats. “At least they should do that with punctuality.”
Vridhi Kapani, 21, an interior designer, complained that every time she visited a bank or government office, “we mostly find babus out for tea breaks or some other.” She called the notion of GPS surveillance “fabulous,” and complained only that it was too limited, recommending that political figures should also be tracked on hidden cameras, “to see how they are bribing people for votes.”
The new system requires government employees to register their presence at the entrance to their offices using a biometric scan of a fingerprint or iris. As the system went live, some longtime civil servants acknowledged to Indian news organizations the practice of “proxy attendance,” in which employees would fail to show up for long stretches but, with colleagues’ assistance, register as present in the department’s attendance diary.
There were also some voices of caution. Pratap Bhanu Mehta, a respected political analyst, wrote that biometric tracking of government employees might turn out to be counterproductive, establishing a system that “would probably produce more gaming of the system than genuine performance.”
“It is a mistake to think that discipline can replace the need for trust,” he wrote. “At most, it displaces trust. But the harm it produces is to create a culture of suspicion, where distrust becomes the norm.”
But Mr. Mehta’s warning was clearly not fully convincing to all the readers of the daily Indian Express newspaper, a number of whom posted incredulous online comments in response, lustily endorsing the surveillance plan. “Sir, Have you been to a Government office before?” one of them read. “If you have dealt with the same, I’m sure you’ll have a diametrically opposite view on this matter.”
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This should implemented in Kenya... Paying politicians not to do anything.
NEW DELHI — Beware, o lollygagging Indian bureaucrats. If it was not already apparent that Prime Minister Narendra Modi would display a schoolmaster’s intolerance for laxity, the recent introduction of an electronic monitoring system — capable of registering the daily entry and exit times of 100,000 government officials — has made the situation abundantly clear.
The system, accessible to the public on the website attendance.gov.in, began working in early October, providing a digital dashboard that so far displays the comings and goings of more than 50,600 employees spread across 150 departments.
Continue reading the main story
RELATED COVERAGE
Narendra Modi Outlines Goals for India on Eve of a Visit With ObamaSEPT. 28, 2014
Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India addressed the United Nations General Assembly on Saturday.Indian Leader Narendra Modi, Once Unwelcome in U.S., Gets Rock Star ReceptionSEPT. 27, 2014
The rollout of the Biometric Attendance System coincided with an article in The Times of India that said that the Bharatiya Janata Party’s president had fitted the vehicles of party members campaigning for state legislative elections with GPS units, gathering real-time evidence that they are, in fact, on the trail and not lingering in hotel lounges. Party officials would not confirm the report.
Many ordinary Indians have little love for bureaucrats, who are widely viewed as corrupt, indolent and obfuscating, and Mr. Modi’s pledge of toughness was a central message of his campaign. The arrival of the new government was accompanied by rumors — widely circulated but never confirmed — that his office maintained a list of officials with regular tee-times at exclusive golf courses and kept tabs on who was meeting whom in hotel clubs.
Voters approached last week expressed full-throated approval of the planned surveillance.
“My own uncle is a government servant and we see him go into the office at 11 and so on,” said Shubham Tiwari, 20, a graduate student. “What kind of work will they do when there is not one iota of self-discipline? As it is, all the babus do is pass on files,” he added, using a colloquial term for bureaucrats. “At least they should do that with punctuality.”
Vridhi Kapani, 21, an interior designer, complained that every time she visited a bank or government office, “we mostly find babus out for tea breaks or some other.” She called the notion of GPS surveillance “fabulous,” and complained only that it was too limited, recommending that political figures should also be tracked on hidden cameras, “to see how they are bribing people for votes.”
The new system requires government employees to register their presence at the entrance to their offices using a biometric scan of a fingerprint or iris. As the system went live, some longtime civil servants acknowledged to Indian news organizations the practice of “proxy attendance,” in which employees would fail to show up for long stretches but, with colleagues’ assistance, register as present in the department’s attendance diary.
There were also some voices of caution. Pratap Bhanu Mehta, a respected political analyst, wrote that biometric tracking of government employees might turn out to be counterproductive, establishing a system that “would probably produce more gaming of the system than genuine performance.”
“It is a mistake to think that discipline can replace the need for trust,” he wrote. “At most, it displaces trust. But the harm it produces is to create a culture of suspicion, where distrust becomes the norm.”
But Mr. Mehta’s warning was clearly not fully convincing to all the readers of the daily Indian Express newspaper, a number of whom posted incredulous online comments in response, lustily endorsing the surveillance plan. “Sir, Have you been to a Government office before?” one of them read. “If you have dealt with the same, I’m sure you’ll have a diametrically opposite view on this matter.”
After the spanking new constitution. Spanking new electoral system. Spanking new EACC. National Land Commission. etc etc. I am convinced there is no taming corruption in Kenya if the same faces keep showing up to manage these new things.
If you introduce this kind of system in Kenya, you only introduce a new avenue for corruption.
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Termie,
I disagree. If Kenyatta wants a biometric system for every employee, he should be the first to use it, then challenge the mpigs and judiciary to use it. All govt. employees must sign.
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Termie,
I disagree. If Kenyatta wants a biometric system for every employee, he should be the first to use it, then challenge the mpigs and judiciary to use it. All govt. employees must sign.
He'd have to have the discipline and ruthlessness of a Paul Kagame. Something the Kenyan state will not grant him, even if he were so inclined. Asubuhi pombe na bangi will never do that.
The point I am making. Such a biometric system will be abused by whoever is put in charge of it to make a quick shilling. That is the likeliest outcome.
There are enough, maybe more than enough, institutions in Kenya to tame corruption. In countries like Britain or the US, the police are enough.
What's missing in Kenya is a cultural change. You can't fight culture with gadgets. The gadgets instead end up facilitating the culture.
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He has all the powers, but he is more interested in ICC than bringing any meaningful change. Change starts from the top. Riding on top of SUVs is not change. That's what we call looking for populism.
BTW, parliament as Oletiptip once said is comprised of the most inactive people in the civil service. And they get paid the most.
Termie,
I disagree. If Kenyatta wants a biometric system for every employee, he should be the first to use it, then challenge the mpigs and judiciary to use it. All govt. employees must sign.
He'd have to have the discipline and ruthlessness of a Paul Kagame. Something the Kenyan state will not grant him, even if he were so inclined. Asubuhi pombe na bangi will never do that.
The point I am making. Such a biometric system will be abused by whoever is put in charge of it to make a quick shilling. That is the likeliest outcome.
There are enough, maybe more than enough, institutions in Kenya to tame corruption. In countries like Britain or the US, the police are enough.
What's missing in Kenya is a cultural change. You can't fight culture with gadgets. The gadgets instead end up facilitating the culture.