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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on November 19, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
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https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/news/seven-dead-in-protests-against-arrest-of-uganda-s-bobi-wine--3203880
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That musajja has some ways to go. He is not even at Moi level in 90s. More like Moi right after 82 coup.
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Bobi wine is inciting youth in kampala. He has zero chance against nrm militias
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Bobi wine is inciting youth in kampala. He has zero chance against nrm militias
It has to start somewhere though I admit I don't understand Uganda politics well, are they similar to ours? I was shocked that Ethiopia has complex politics I new 0 about.
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Ethiopia is complicated with federal system- there are regional parties; It more like 8 countries in one; each federal region; has their president; speak their own language; teach in their own language; there are regional parties; federal parties; etc.
Uganda is kenya without tribalism. Yes there is feel that Banyakole are sitting on everyone but it not really tribal -at worse it's regionalism.
Uganda doesn't have kenya prov administration - they have elected LC1, LC2 - village head, ass chief, chief - etc. They are elected by people and don't get salary - but you pay them to sign things or stamp stuff or solve cases - more like a chief who get paid by services they provide - and is elected and mos tof the time respected by people.
And then they have Kingdoms - and those kingdoms have some power. They own large lands, have their own govs with ministers, collect their levies.
Uganda have mayors for big towns - and town councils - outside that - it's LC1 or LC 2 or Mps - no Regional Or District or DO - so the police are ones who have more say.
Every police station I saw in Uganda has some fire fighting equipment - kenya doesn't have one.
Given a choice - btw Kenya and Uganda - I WILL DEFINITELY CHOOSE UGANDA - as the place to live.
Kenya is just too EXPENSIVE for nothing.
Bobi wine is inciting youth in kampala. He has zero chance against nrm militias
It has to start somewhere though I admit I don't understand Uganda politics well, are they similar to ours? I was shocked that Ethiopia has complex politics I new 0 about.
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Pure cold blood murder
https://www.facebook.com/akinyi.emmanuela/videos/3867642409912652/
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Ethiopia is complicated with federal system- there are regional parties; It more like 8 countries in one; each federal region; has their president; speak their own language; teach in their own language; there are regional parties; federal parties; etc.
Uganda is kenya without tribalism. Yes there is feel that Banyakole are sitting on everyone but it not really tribal -at worse it's regionalism.
Uganda doesn't have kenya prov administration - they have elected LC1, LC2 - village head, ass chief, chief - etc. They are elected by people and don't get salary - but you pay them to sign things or stamp stuff or solve cases - more like a chief who get paid by services they provide - and is elected and mos tof the time respected by people.
And then they have Kingdoms - and those kingdoms have some power. They own large lands, have their own govs with ministers, collect their levies.
Uganda have mayors for big towns - and town councils - outside that - it's LC1 or LC 2 or Mps - no Regional Or District or DO - so the police are ones who have more say.
Every police station I saw in Uganda has some fire fighting equipment - kenya doesn't have one.
Given a choice - btw Kenya and Uganda - I WILL DEFINITELY CHOOSE UGANDA - as the place to live.
Kenya is just too EXPENSIVE for nothing.
Bobi wine is inciting youth in kampala. He has zero chance against nrm militias
It has to start somewhere though I admit I don't understand Uganda politics well, are they similar to ours? I was shocked that Ethiopia has complex politics I new 0 about.
Feels like a mini Ethiopia still worse than Kenya.
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"No Worry by Konshens & Bobi Wine
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My favorite Bobby Wine
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In political freedoms; yes; but life in uganda is very cheap; food so plentiful'; the variety more than in kenya; alcohol very cheap; that is why Museveni despite all that; is going for live presidency. Yes anything imported is more expensive than kenya - phones, electronics - but other stuff like clothes - are cheaper.
And really there is no prov admin or police intruding in people lifes - alcohol is sold in dukas - weed is everywhere (that is part I really enjoyed :))
Feels like a mini Ethiopia still worse than Kenya.
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Sounds like Kenya in
300BC 1980
Ethiopia is complicated with federal system- there are regional parties; It more like 8 countries in one; each federal region; has their president; speak their own language; teach in their own language; there are regional parties; federal parties; etc.
Uganda is kenya without tribalism. Yes there is feel that Banyakole are sitting on everyone but it not really tribal -at worse it's regionalism.
Uganda doesn't have kenya prov administration - they have elected LC1, LC2 - village head, ass chief, chief - etc. They are elected by people and don't get salary - but you pay them to sign things or stamp stuff or solve cases - more like a chief who get paid by services they provide - and is elected and mos tof the time respected by people.
And then they have Kingdoms - and those kingdoms have some power. They own large lands, have their own govs with ministers, collect their levies.
Uganda have mayors for big towns - and town councils - outside that - it's LC1 or LC 2 or Mps - no Regional Or District or DO - so the police are ones who have more say.
Every police station I saw in Uganda has some fire fighting equipment - kenya doesn't have one.
Given a choice - btw Kenya and Uganda - I WILL DEFINITELY CHOOSE UGANDA - as the place to live.
Kenya is just too EXPENSIVE for nothing.
Bobi wine is inciting youth in kampala. He has zero chance against nrm militias
It has to start somewhere though I admit I don't understand Uganda politics well, are they similar to ours? I was shocked that Ethiopia has complex politics I new 0 about.
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Kenya is colonial police state - and was worse in 1980s - was police state. But it also make managing kenya easy and gov has control through prov administration. Uganda doesnt have such structures.
Kenya must dismantle the prov administration for personal freedoms to thrive.
And make police, DPP and Judiciary independent.
That why we can be like California - Pablo Alto - San francisco - where liberals love it.
That is why BBI handchieth should be rejected.
Sounds like Kenya in 300BC 1980
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Cops consistently rank as the most corrupt institution - worse than Kenyattas and Mobutus - so I don't see them as antidote for freedom. With illicit brews, crime, FGM, etc you need tight grip in Kenya. I know little of Uganda but doesn't strike one as free nor progressive. Bobi Wine and Besigye still being locked up for holding meeting - in Kenya only Miguna get such for treason. I don't see freedom- or am missing something- isn't it a contradiction?
Here cops report to Mayor - who can fire or discipline them. Mayors often suspend city Chief of Police or slash budget like after George Floyd some heads rolled. They are not independent. The mayor chairs the city commission that hire, fire, set rules, budgets, etc for cops. Sheriffs are elected DO or chief for rural counties. Cops are a FORCE and cannot be left free of control by elected authority which is accountable to the public.
Cops still have bad reputation especially among blacks. Brutality. So I don't hold KE cops to any high hope - cops are not loved anywhere. Until IPOA get real power and inculcate discipline and accountability culture in the rank and file - like Internal Affairs here - cops need a tight leash not independence. Don't let few whining politicians like Kuria or Mobutu bias you. That a very small slice of police work.
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Pundit if these racist cops didn't report to elected Mayor - a liberal - they would dispatch many blacks bila wasiwasi at slightest suspicion. Cops behave like a cartel with code of silence and covering each other back. Yes even the black cops. Without bodycams and youtube we would never know of George Floyd real story. They would plant fake guns or drugs and case closed. Liberal mayor rein them in. NOONE want cops to be independent here.
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Seems even after purging all bush war Generals - he could be slowly losing his grip in the army and police. He could go under easily with the confusion flux in Amerika.
https://www.facebook.com/www.bobiwine.ug/posts/10160427631508012
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Seems even after purging all bush war Generals - he could be slowly losing his grip in the army and police. He could go under easily with the confusion flux in Amerika.
https://www.facebook.com/www.bobiwine.ug/posts/10160427631508012 (https://www.facebook.com/www.bobiwine.ug/posts/10160427631508012)
I suspect those are Museveni's LDUs. They were formed to arm civilians for defence without the burden of having to pay and sustain a standing army.
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This in a way may make it easier for others to organise their guerillas in the confusion. On a bad day those military and police will be easily taken down by enemy fire.
Seems even after purging all bush war Generals - he could be slowly losing his grip in the army and police. He could go under easily with the confusion flux in Amerika.
https://www.facebook.com/www.bobiwine.ug/posts/10160427631508012 (https://www.facebook.com/www.bobiwine.ug/posts/10160427631508012)
I suspect those are Museveni's LDUs. They were formed to arm civilians for defence without the burden of having to pay and sustain a standing army.
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29 people dead. This is beginning of the end of Museveni.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/news/death-toll-from-uganda-clashes-rises-3204852
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Pundit are you still on M7 koolaid? You often shower the old sucker with praises.
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I always give any devil their dues.
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In political freedoms; yes; but life in uganda is very cheap; food so plentiful'; the variety more than in kenya; alcohol very cheap; that is why Museveni despite all that; is going for live presidency. Yes anything imported is more expensive than kenya - phones, electronics - but other stuff like clothes - are cheaper.
And really there is no prov admin or police intruding in people lifes - alcohol is sold in dukas - weed is everywhere (that is part I really enjoyed :))
Feels like a mini Ethiopia still worse than Kenya.
Pundit there is no substitution for freedom nothing, don't be fooled eti you can a good life without that, that's why China even with its economic muscle never ranks anywhere close to the west when it comes to citizen empowerment. You become mere robots of the state and they fool you with cheap alcohol, food etc.
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Our generation is hopeless having been screwed by capitalism. In the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s that generation was invested in humanism and wanted better for all across the world. They were able to organise across continents. Old men in Murang'a would send conman Kenyatta to London; Likes of Che Guevarra would come to Congo to fight with Patrice Lumumbas. We are so screwed up with illusions of good life which is but a mirage seeing how the supposedly successful people are now dying of breathing complication which is a nursery school science.
While the despots seem to be accumulating more power in the short term claiming you are spreading corona; in the coming decade we will get several Gaddaffi moments.
I never expected it to unravel in the Washington swamp the way it is! I was expecting Slovakia, Belarus, Nigeria and such to take the dump first. It is inevitable as the uselessness of governments whose only welfare is for the 1 percenters is exposed. Corona is certainly a reboot button. I do not discount emegence of guerillas to join Bobi Wine or Tigrays from bolivia or Kenya. Alshabaab destructive ideology has done it, it is probably some time for some humanistic guerillas to organise.
In political freedoms; yes; but life in uganda is very cheap; food so plentiful'; the variety more than in kenya; alcohol very cheap; that is why Museveni despite all that; is going for live presidency. Yes anything imported is more expensive than kenya - phones, electronics - but other stuff like clothes - are cheaper.
And really there is no prov admin or police intruding in people lifes - alcohol is sold in dukas - weed is everywhere (that is part I really enjoyed :))
Feels like a mini Ethiopia still worse than Kenya.
Pundit there is no substitution for freedom nothing, don't be fooled eti you can a good life without that, that's why China even with its economic muscle never ranks anywhere close to the west when it comes to citizen empowerment. You become mere robots of the state and they fool you with cheap alcohol, food etc.
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Crap. China has lifted nearly a billion out of poverty. What more freedom is more important than freedom from poverty, hunger and disease. Political personal freedoms are great but they are actual luxuries. China has climbed in almost every indices - but you don't expect to compare itself to the west yet - they are maybe another generation from their - they are not a developed world yet.
Countries in the gulf never enjoy any freedom with sharia law - but if you go to Dubai, Qatar and such - they are living the life!! The lack of democracy is of a little interest to them - the kings and princes - can continue - as long as people are happy and free from poverty.
Pundit there is no substitution for freedom nothing, don't be fooled eti you can a good life without that, that's why China even with its economic muscle never ranks anywhere close to the west when it comes to citizen empowerment. You become mere robots of the state and they fool you with cheap alcohol, food etc.
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I thought M7 was Ruto's model? :D
African dictators will always be brutal and act with murderous impunity because Africans by nature are thuggish and heartless.