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Title: Congratulations Robina
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 04, 2020, 07:30:46 AM
You got this right. Liberals agenda has been rejected by whites. It over for liberals
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: RV Kirgit on November 04, 2020, 09:09:26 AM
They rigged out Sanders! They lost fairly square.

Now that Trump has no re-election baggage, the first person to be shown wide door is "world top epidemiologist" Dr. Fauchi gates
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: RV Pundit on November 04, 2020, 09:13:54 AM
Look like status quo remains. The power of rural voters. The silent majority as urbanites talk themselves hoarse.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Nefertiti on November 04, 2020, 10:07:32 AM
Yes Dr Faucci will be sucked. But Trump was openly lying about antidote... we are nowhere near a vaccine.

They rigged out Sanders! They lost fairly square.

Now that Trump has no re-election baggage, the first person to be shown wide door is "world top epidemiologist" Dr. Fauchi gates
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Nefertiti on November 04, 2020, 10:09:49 AM
Yup. Pollsters here are also way off on turnout which likes of  Ipsos have sort of mastered back in Kenya.

Look like status quo remains. The power of rural voters. The silent majority as urbanites talk themselves hoarse.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Fairandbalanced on November 04, 2020, 01:52:13 PM
What are you people talking about? I would suggest you sit this one out. Watch Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada as early and mail in votes are counted. This was the Democrats strategy, encourage people to vote early before they change their minds. It seems to be working so do not chest thump too early, it’s going to be very close but I give the Democrats an edge.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: RV Pundit on November 04, 2020, 01:59:57 PM
Don't see == trump needs 60 - he needs about 4 states - Michigan, Penn, Georgia and North Carolina - where he enjoys leads - he just need to win those 4.
Poor Biden is left with tiny states with 3,6,10 votes..he is kaput.
We have another 5yrs of trump.
What are you people talking about? I would suggest you sit this one out. Watch Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada as early and mail in votes are counted. This was the Democrats strategy, encourage people to vote early before they change their minds. It seems to be working so do not chest thump too early, it’s going to be very close but I give the Democrats an edge.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: GeeMail on November 04, 2020, 02:48:34 PM
Don't see == trump needs 60 - he needs about 4 states - Michigan, Penn, Georgia and North Carolina - where he enjoys leads - he just need to win those 4.
Poor Biden is left with tiny states with 3,6,10 votes..he is kaput.
We have another 5yrs of trump.
What are you people talking about? I would suggest you sit this one out. Watch Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada as early and mail in votes are counted. This was the Democrats strategy, encourage people to vote early before they change their minds. It seems to be working so do not chest thump too early, it’s going to be very close but I give the Democrats an edge.
Four [4] years, Pundit. It's Ruto who will serve five years as official opposition leader. That is, if he does not end up in Den haag by 2022.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Fairandbalanced on November 04, 2020, 02:53:26 PM
Penn is going Democrat, Biden will then only need Wisconsin and Nevada and it’s game over. Trump is already crying fraud.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Fairandbalanced on November 04, 2020, 03:12:28 PM
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Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Fairandbalanced on November 04, 2020, 03:26:43 PM
Wisconsin is going Biden, if Nevada holds and he wins Penn, it’s over. Nevada is key. They still have a lot of votes to count but Biden is winning so far.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kadudu on November 04, 2020, 04:43:26 PM
Michigan is also very tight. Biden catching up pole pole.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kadudu on November 04, 2020, 04:45:32 PM
Michigan is also very tight. Biden catching up pole pole. Only half of Detroit voted tallied so far and now difference between Trump and Biden 20k.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: RV Pundit on November 04, 2020, 05:54:01 PM
Look like Trump - will likely lose - Michigan - is key. Very good news. We were depressed.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on November 04, 2020, 06:09:13 PM
Biden will win. Millions of uncounted mail ballots majority leaning to Democrats. Trump took a leaf from baba :)
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kadudu on November 04, 2020, 06:46:14 PM
You mean Kibaki? :D :D :D
Very hard to pull a Tharaka Nithi in the US.

Biden will win. Millions of uncounted mail ballots majority leaning to Democrats. Trump took a leaf from baba :)
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on November 04, 2020, 07:17:40 PM
You mean Kibaki? :D :D :D
Very hard to pull a Tharaka Nithi in the US.

Biden will win. Millions of uncounted mail ballots majority leaning to Democrats. Trump took a leaf from baba :)
There is always a first time.The klanmen are coming for your ass, I expecct mass shouting to skyrocket after Friday, Trump might as well sink into the white house bunker and pop a cyanide pill. Myself I wanted him to win.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: mankind on November 04, 2020, 07:31:14 PM
Yep Trumpis toast.  If Biden holds Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada and Maine which definitely will go democratic he wins with around 271- 272 electoral college.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 04, 2020, 07:45:32 PM
Yep Trumpis toast.  If Biden holds Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada and Maine which definitely will go democratic he wins with around 271- 272 electoral college.

Toast?  Not yet.  But teetering there.  There is even a realistic scenario where he wins PA and Biden hits 270 on the nose.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: RV Pundit on November 04, 2020, 07:51:21 PM
Njuri, 4yrs ago, I didn't care, but in these corona times, we need a sober leader, not a fumbling idiot. Trump break was good, to check the liberals, but time now for serious leadership.
There is always a first time.The klanmen are coming for your ass, I expecct mass shouting to skyrocket after Friday, Trump might as well sink into the white house bunker and pop a cyanide pill. Myself I wanted him to win.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: mankind on November 04, 2020, 07:56:09 PM
Yep Trumpis toast.  If Biden holds Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada and Maine which definitely will go democratic he wins with around 271- 272 electoral college.

Toast?  Not yet.  But teetering there.  There is even a realistic scenario where he wins PA and Biden hits 270 on the nose.

  At this point Biden doesn't need PA.  If he holds WI, MI and Nevada,remember Maine is going to go Democratic maybe minus that one congressional district then Trump is toast.  At this point watch out for that slim margin in Nevada.  Trump can win PA, GA and  NC but will still loose
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 04, 2020, 08:05:03 PM
Yep Trumpis toast.  If Biden holds Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada and Maine which definitely will go democratic he wins with around 271- 272 electoral college.

Toast?  Not yet.  But teetering there.  There is even a realistic scenario where he wins PA and Biden hits 270 on the nose.

  At this point Biden doesn't need PA.  If he holds WI, MI and Nevada,remember Maine is going to go Democratic maybe minus that one congressional district then Trump is toast.  At this point watch out for that slim margin in Nevada.  Trump can win PA, GA and  NC but will still loose

Indeed he has a not unrealistic path without PA.  For Trump, such margins are simply not there.  And even if he wins PA and holds GA and NC, losing is looking like a matter of just time and patience.  He doesn't seem to have a way of turning things around, in other words he has maxed out the juice from his strongholds.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on November 04, 2020, 08:52:17 PM
Njuri, 4yrs ago, I didn't care, but in these corona times, we need a sober leader, not a fumbling idiot. Trump break was good, to check the liberals, but time now for serious leadership.
There is always a first time.The klanmen are coming for your ass, I expecct mass shouting to skyrocket after Friday, Trump might as well sink into the white house bunker and pop a cyanide pill. Myself I wanted him to win.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8909537/Joe-Biden-starts-election-day-attending-morning-mass-visiting-son-Beaus-grave-Delaware.html
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 04, 2020, 09:03:18 PM
Trump is now demanding a recount in WI with 2 small precincts left with 600 votes.  Biden leads by 20,000.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: mankind on November 04, 2020, 09:19:56 PM
 It's practically over for Trump.  He actually might even lose GA  the way things are going.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 04, 2020, 10:19:09 PM
It's practically over for Trump.  He actually might even lose GA  the way things are going.

Yep, it is.  Barring a rare miracle, AZ and NV are a lock for Biden.  He has it in the bag, even without PA.  GA and PA looking like frosting at this point.  Biden's campaign took the non-flashy path of least resistance to 270, avoiding wasting resources on shiny objects. 

Trump's options have now been reduced to courts.   I think he has launched a suit in MI(I forget the details). 
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: GeeMail on November 04, 2020, 10:53:55 PM
It has to be the Subreme Goat.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 05, 2020, 12:11:17 AM
Pa is disapponting
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: RV Pundit on November 05, 2020, 01:01:13 AM
Does it still matter?
Pa is disapponting
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Fairandbalanced on November 05, 2020, 01:19:15 AM
Biden is your president, waiting for Arizona and Nevada and it’s now just a formality. Highly impressed with the Democrats and their chess game. It’s why I say Ruto is campaigning too early, if there was early voting in Kenya, we can say he is winning but 1.5yrs in politics is a long time. For all we know, he could be fighting another case at the ICC.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: RV Pundit on November 05, 2020, 02:53:02 AM
How are they remotely related :) :) dude get over it. Trump should never have won in the first place. It's was Obama leaning too left gov. Lesson for Biden is to try get to the center. At his age - he is unlikely to seek re-election.
Biden is your president, waiting for Arizona and Nevada and it’s now just a formality. Highly impressed with the Democrats and their chess game. It’s why I say Ruto is campaigning too early, if there was early voting in Kenya, we can say he is winning but 1.5yrs in politics is a long time. For all we know, he could be fighting another case at the ICC.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 05, 2020, 12:01:00 PM
AZ currently counting a nail biting dump that could theoretically flip it for Trump is back to light blue  It’s still unlikely, because of the required margins for Trump to flip it.  More likely his best performance will tighten it, with Biden still winning. 

Angry Trump supporters, some with guns, have besieged the counting center in Maricopa county.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Nefertiti on November 05, 2020, 12:21:07 PM
At this point Trump should just concede. But don't bet on it - might be another week or longer of court drama. 2000 redux on big scale. How do we lecture TZ after this :)
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: RV Pundit on November 05, 2020, 01:29:49 PM
So if trump wins PA 20, Georgia and NC - 31 - that 51 plus Alaska 3 - 54 plus 213  - could take him to 265 - so he basically need either Nevada or Arizona.

The MAGA paka is still able to do it.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on November 05, 2020, 02:02:20 PM
At this point Trump should just concede. But don't bet on it - might be another week or longer of court drama. 2000 redux on big scale. How do we lecture TZ after this :)
SHUT THE FCUK UP. TELL THAT TO RAIRA OMOLLO OJINGA. Robina don't remove the spec in your brothers eye when yours is MBIG. Respect.  :D
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Dear Mami on November 05, 2020, 02:08:17 PM
So if trump wins PA 20, Georgia and NC - 31 - that 51 plus Alaska 3 - 54 plus 213  - could take him to 265 - so he basically need either Nevada or Arizona.

The MAGA paka is still able to do it.

What's this story circulating the interwebz about fraud in the Midwest? Are they making it up, ama what? https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/

Fox and the Daily Wire haven't reported it, so I'm inclined to think the facts claimed about pure Biden voter dumps are fake but it's rapidly flying through conservative circles and might be the reason for the MAGA groups storming some counting booth in Phoenix. (Or is it Detroit??? Or both? Not sure where the protests are).
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Nefertiti on November 05, 2020, 03:02:08 PM
So if trump wins PA 20, Georgia and NC - 31 - that 51 plus Alaska 3 - 54 plus 213  - could take him to 265 - so he basically need either Nevada or Arizona.

The MAGA paka is still able to do it.

What's this story circulating the interwebz about fraud in the Midwest? Are they making it up, ama what? https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/

Fox and the Daily Wire haven't reported it, so I'm inclined to think the facts claimed about pure Biden voter dumps are fake but it's rapidly flying through conservative circles and might be the reason for the MAGA groups storming some counting booth in Phoenix. (Or is it Detroit??? Or both? Not sure where the protests are).

It's beginning to look more like Kenya than US elections. God help us.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Nefertiti on November 05, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
At this point Trump should just concede. But don't bet on it - might be another week or longer of court drama. 2000 redux on big scale. How do we lecture TZ after this :)
SHUT THE FCUK UP. TELL THAT TO RAIRA OMOLLO OJINGA. Robina don't remove the spec in your brothers eye when yours is MBIG. Respect.  :D

LOL. you gotta admit the possibility of a THARAKA NITHI trick or two at play here... complete with dead voters. Just saying. Trump should concede just to rescue the endangered US reputation if nothing else.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 05, 2020, 04:49:45 PM
So if trump wins PA 20, Georgia and NC - 31 - that 51 plus Alaska 3 - 54 plus 213  - could take him to 265 - so he basically need either Nevada or Arizona.

The MAGA paka is still able to do it.

Yep.  I would count AK for him; it's a red state.  He must hold onto the leads in PA, GA and NC, then flip AZ.  But Biden looks like he is going to flip GA by noon today at the rate things are going; PA in the next few days if they don't stop the count.  NV will probably also be dark blue by the end of the day; they seem to have a very different approach to releasing their numbers. 

He has a chance but he is hitting moving targets at this point.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 05, 2020, 04:58:37 PM
At this point Trump should just concede. But don't bet on it - might be another week or longer of court drama. 2000 redux on big scale. How do we lecture TZ after this :)

Trump cannot concede.  His personality disorder does not leave room for that.  If anything, I expect him to become more unhinged and dangerous in the coming days. 
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Nefertiti on November 05, 2020, 05:33:39 PM
At this point Trump should just concede. But don't bet on it - might be another week or longer of court drama. 2000 redux on big scale. How do we lecture TZ after this :)

Trump cannot concede.  His personality disorder does not leave room for that.  If anything, I expect him to become more unhinged and dangerous in the coming days.

This is headed to SCOTUS. No matter what happens we are irredeemably tainted. Xi and Putin are having a ball.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Dear Mami on November 05, 2020, 06:02:26 PM

What's this story circulating the interwebz about fraud in the Midwest? Are they making it up, ama what? https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/

Fox and the Daily Wire haven't reported it, so I'm inclined to think the facts claimed about pure Biden voter dumps are fake but it's rapidly flying through conservative circles and might be the reason for the MAGA groups storming some counting booth in Phoenix. (Or is it Detroit??? Or both? Not sure where the protests are).

It's beginning to look more like Kenya than US elections. God help us.

I, too, am shocked at the "familiar" ring to these developments, as a Kenyan. I wonder if this level of contestation will be the US norm going forward or if it'll ease up after Trump? At least in Kenya our bazillion ethnicities, young "democracy," and ever-shifting/super dynamic political alignments more or less keep us from totally splitting, though we came close in 2017. The US effectively has these two coalesced "nations" co-existing in one republic that seem increasingly antagonistic in their relations. Do you think it holds in the coming decades? Or is this just a Trump-era phenomenon?
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 05, 2020, 06:49:09 PM

What's this story circulating the interwebz about fraud in the Midwest? Are they making it up, ama what? https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/)

Fox and the Daily Wire haven't reported it, so I'm inclined to think the facts claimed about pure Biden voter dumps are fake but it's rapidly flying through conservative circles and might be the reason for the MAGA groups storming some counting booth in Phoenix. (Or is it Detroit??? Or both? Not sure where the protests are).

It's beginning to look more like Kenya than US elections. God help us.

I, too, am shocked at the "familiar" ring to these developments, as a Kenyan. I wonder if this level of contestation will be the US norm going forward or if it'll ease up after Trump? At least in Kenya our bazillion ethnicities, young "democracy," and ever-shifting/super dynamic political alignments more or less keep us from totally splitting, though we came close in 2017. The US effectively has these two coalesced "nations" co-existing in one republic that seem increasingly antagonistic in their relations. Do you think it holds in the coming decades? Or is this just a Trump-era phenomenon?

Trumpism is just a culmination and symptom of the problem.  It's a decades old problem, dating back to the 60s Southern Strategy by the GOP after the Civil Rights act.  Some argue it dates back to the American civil war.  After the civil war, the defeated side was not crushed and vanquished.  They were instead reinstated into polite society for the sake of peace and continued to wage that war by other means.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Nefertiti on November 05, 2020, 08:50:45 PM

What's this story circulating the interwebz about fraud in the Midwest? Are they making it up, ama what? https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/)

Fox and the Daily Wire haven't reported it, so I'm inclined to think the facts claimed about pure Biden voter dumps are fake but it's rapidly flying through conservative circles and might be the reason for the MAGA groups storming some counting booth in Phoenix. (Or is it Detroit??? Or both? Not sure where the protests are).

It's beginning to look more like Kenya than US elections. God help us.

I, too, am shocked at the "familiar" ring to these developments, as a Kenyan. I wonder if this level of contestation will be the US norm going forward or if it'll ease up after Trump? At least in Kenya our bazillion ethnicities, young "democracy," and ever-shifting/super dynamic political alignments more or less keep us from totally splitting, though we came close in 2017. The US effectively has these two coalesced "nations" co-existing in one republic that seem increasingly antagonistic in their relations. Do you think it holds in the coming decades? Or is this just a Trump-era phenomenon?

Trumpism is just a culmination and symptom of the problem.  It's a decades old problem, dating back to the 60s Southern Strategy by the GOP after the Civil Rights act.  Some argue it dates back to the American civil war.  After the civil war, the defeated side was not crushed and vanquished.  They were instead reinstated into polite society for the sake of peace and continued to wage that war by other means.

Yes it's been long coming. The media is basically managing the Trump mobs now, this was long over. Deplorables have gone crazy.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: audacityofhope on November 05, 2020, 09:20:16 PM

What's this story circulating the interwebz about fraud in the Midwest? Are they making it up, ama what? https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/)

Fox and the Daily Wire haven't reported it, so I'm inclined to think the facts claimed about pure Biden voter dumps are fake but it's rapidly flying through conservative circles and might be the reason for the MAGA groups storming some counting booth in Phoenix. (Or is it Detroit??? Or both? Not sure where the protests are).

It's beginning to look more like Kenya than US elections. God help us.

I, too, am shocked at the "familiar" ring to these developments, as a Kenyan. I wonder if this level of contestation will be the US norm going forward or if it'll ease up after Trump? At least in Kenya our bazillion ethnicities, young "democracy," and ever-shifting/super dynamic political alignments more or less keep us from totally splitting, though we came close in 2017. The US effectively has these two coalesced "nations" co-existing in one republic that seem increasingly antagonistic in their relations. Do you think it holds in the coming decades? Or is this just a Trump-era phenomenon?

Trumpism is just a culmination and symptom of the problem.  It's a decades old problem, dating back to the 60s Southern Strategy by the GOP after the Civil Rights act.  Some argue it dates back to the American civil war.  After the civil war, the defeated side was not crushed and vanquished.  They were instead reinstated into polite society for the sake of peace and continued to wage that war by other means.
Incredibly powerful, must-watch moment.

?s=20
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: RV Pundit on November 05, 2020, 09:53:12 PM
Is it racism or classism? It appears almost like rural (small towns) versus urban (Cities) split. And those votes are kenyan like 80% for trump in rural America; and 20% for Biden; and in the cities the reverse is true.

The map has never really changed - coastal populous cities on edge of the country - both east and west coast - support democrats - always blue

The middle large swathe of America solidly republican - always red.

But as long as there is good balance - it's no biggie. 4yrs for rural America. 4 yrs for urban America. Republican and Democrat make for good PING PONG. We need the same in kenya - 5yrs for Kalenjin; 5yr for kikuyu :) or we can spice it up - GEMA versus Non-GEMA ping-pong

It's not really racism like you have in Kenya - because in kenya - whether in Kisumu or Malindi or Pokot - a Luo or Kikiyu or kalenjin will vote certain way.

There are millions of whites - in cities - who don't subscribe to this racism. It more a rural America thing.

Urban America is all nice and cosmopolitan. Rural America remain white and mostly backward. And thanks to gun ownership - it's pretty closed scary place for non-whites generally.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 05, 2020, 11:13:50 PM
Is it racism or classism? It appears almost like rural (small towns) versus urban (Cities) split. And those votes are kenyan like 80% for trump in rural America; and 20% for Biden; and in the cities the reverse is true.

The map has never really changed - coastal populous cities on edge of the country - both east and west coast - support democrats - always blue

The middle large swathe of America solidly republican - always red.

But as long as there is good balance - it's no biggie. 4yrs for rural America. 4 yrs for urban America. Republican and Democrat make for good PING PONG. We need the same in kenya - 5yrs for Kalenjin; 5yr for kikuyu :) or we can spice it up - GEMA versus Non-GEMA ping-pong

It's not really racism like you have in Kenya - because in kenya - whether in Kisumu or Malindi or Pokot - a Luo or Kikiyu or kalenjin will vote certain way.

There are millions of whites - in cities - who don't subscribe to this racism. It more a rural America thing.

Urban America is all nice and cosmopolitan. Rural America remain white and mostly backward. And thanks to gun ownership - it's pretty closed scary place for non-whites generally.

In a very broad sense, there is an urban/rural divide.  But there aren't enough people in the rural areas to match the cities.  That mass of red you see in red/blue electoral college maps is mostly just empty land.  The farms are huge.  The reality is more like a blue urban core, a purple suburban area, and red as you radiate further out.

Outside of a handful of states like New Jersey and Massachusetts, most states are purple.  Blue around urban areas and reddening as you move further out.  So even in a red state like Arkansas, you will have deep blue around Little Rock, and red as you radiate out.  Generally the more diverse an area is, the bluer it is.

As an example, to win statewide in Illinois, you just need to win Cook County(almost half the state population) and then remain competitive(even if losing) everywhere else.  The suburbs around Cook County also lean blue.  The rest of the state is deep red with blue holdouts in Champagne, Springfield, East St. Louis etc.  It's a pattern across many states with big cities.

As for racism, it's part of America's culture.  In my experience, you can find it anywhere.  Of course in bigger cities, there is less social license for the blatant variety - so people are conditioned to abhor it.  It doesn't mean it's not there.  But at least it's not tolerated. 

Granted, one party has made peace with it(arguably made it a cornerstone), and the other has made a point to fight it.  Demographic change is at the heart of the current turmoil in American politics.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 05, 2020, 11:39:00 PM
In another era, different GOP President I would have dismissed this crackpot's idea as a stretch.  I don't doubt Trump(and the current GOP) will be seriously considering going this route if(when) Trump formally loses.  There will be chaos all the way to inauguration.


I almost choked with laughter the other day when I saw message by Mike Pompeo directed at Tz about elections.  I think Magufuli just ignored it.

Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: RV Pundit on November 06, 2020, 12:56:43 AM
Yes of course - it start from deep blue and radiate to deep red the further rural. The more rural the more white homogenous, the less educated, the more conservative, the more religious, guns and the poorer. The same is true for inner cities - it black, latino, less educated, violent, drugs, crime,name it.

It appears the real America dream is in the middle - in the suburbs of middle class America. Inner cities are angry blacks and latinos. The rural areas are angry whites. In the suburbia lives the progressive American with a white picket fence.

And that middle is probably holding peace because inner city thugs cannot square with rural gun totting thugs.

Is it racism or classism? It appears almost like rural (small towns) versus urban (Cities) split. And those votes are kenyan like 80% for trump in rural America; and 20% for Biden; and in the cities the reverse is true.

The map has never really changed - coastal populous cities on edge of the country - both east and west coast - support democrats - always blue

The middle large swathe of America solidly republican - always red.

But as long as there is good balance - it's no biggie. 4yrs for rural America. 4 yrs for urban America. Republican and Democrat make for good PING PONG. We need the same in kenya - 5yrs for Kalenjin; 5yr for kikuyu :) or we can spice it up - GEMA versus Non-GEMA ping-pong

It's not really racism like you have in Kenya - because in kenya - whether in Kisumu or Malindi or Pokot - a Luo or Kikiyu or kalenjin will vote certain way.

There are millions of whites - in cities - who don't subscribe to this racism. It more a rural America thing.

Urban America is all nice and cosmopolitan. Rural America remain white and mostly backward. And thanks to gun ownership - it's pretty closed scary place for non-whites generally.

In a very broad sense, there is an urban/rural divide.  But there aren't enough people in the rural areas to match the cities.  That mass of red you see in red/blue electoral college maps is mostly just empty land.  The farms are huge.  The reality is more like a blue urban core, a purple suburban area, and red as you radiate further out.

Outside of a handful of states like New Jersey and Massachusetts, most states are purple.  Blue around urban areas and reddening as you move further out.  So even in a red state like Arkansas, you will have deep blue around Little Rock, and red as you radiate out.  Generally the more diverse an area is, the bluer it is.

As an example, to win statewide in Illinois, you just need to win Cook County(almost half the state population) and then remain competitive(even if losing) everywhere else.  The suburbs around Cook County also lean blue.  The rest of the state is deep red with blue holdouts in Champagne, Springfield, East St. Louis etc.  It's a pattern across many states with big cities.

As for racism, it's part of America's culture.  In my experience, you can find it anywhere.  Of course in bigger cities, there is less social license for the blatant variety - so people are conditioned to abhor it.  It doesn't mean it's not there.  But at least it's not tolerated. 

Granted, one party has made peace with it(arguably made it a cornerstone), and the other has made a point to fight it.  Demographic change is at the heart of the current turmoil in American politics.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: hk on November 06, 2020, 09:41:58 AM
Robina,

Proposition 22 passed with overwhelming majority exempting gig workers being classified as employees. Is this a clear indication of unions and democrats overreach in California? If uber and lyft drivers were some obscure workers it could have passed.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Nefertiti on November 06, 2020, 10:06:59 AM
Robina,

Proposition 22 passed with overwhelming majority exempting gig workers being classified as employees. Is this a clear indication of unions and democrats overreach in California? If uber and lyft drivers were some obscure workers it could have passed.

I aways agreed with Uber - taxi drivers OWN the cabs and are in fact Uber partners. Cabs were there long before Uber - they can actually quit any day WITHOUT NOTICE - what "employees" do that in any other industry? They can even form their own app company.. but cannot voluntarily join optional app and claim to be employees. AirBnB obviously doesn't employ condo owners.

Robina may work for multiple companies too - split my hours - as gigger or contractor NOT employee. To become proper employee I must commit and moonlight quietly under the radar.

Unions have LOST on this one. Mainly because Uber consumers- riders- are the majority and love low rates and professional service. Accepting statewide referendum is a very bad strategy for unions. They will lose everywhere.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 06, 2020, 11:54:02 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/georgia-2020-election-results/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=103771893#post-update-fdf1a84c


Robina,

I know you are a Jehova witness MAGA loving nubian. Are you still going to court today

Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Nefertiti on November 06, 2020, 09:53:03 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/georgia-2020-election-results/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=103771893#post-update-fdf1a84c


Robina,

I know you are a Jehova witness MAGA loving nubian. Are you still going to court today

No am "Mercedes" - mormon from New Mexico :)
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Nefertiti on November 06, 2020, 11:00:26 PM
Trump alleges brazen rigging.. apparently stuffed ballots are being sneaked in by Dems in PA and GA.. they were waiting for legal votes to be counted then smuggle in as many as it takes to scuttle his lead. Watch at the tail end the Sky News man says it sounds like a presser on Zimbabwe or Belarus :(

bitmask - we may need to open the servers here :)

Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 07, 2020, 12:00:58 AM
Trump alleges brazen rigging.. apparently stuffed ballots are being sneaked in by Dems in PA and GA.. they were waiting for legal votes to be counted then smuggle in as many as it takes to scuttle his lead. Watch at the tail end the Sky News man says it sounds like a presser on Zimbabwe or Belarus :(

bitmask - we may need to open the servers here :)


They are in Paris though.  Wrong time zones.  We are awake when they are asleep, and vice versa :D .

He could try Baba's swearing in strategy.  Or take his L like a chump.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: hk on November 07, 2020, 11:39:19 AM
Robina,

Proposition 22 passed with overwhelming majority exempting gig workers being classified as employees. Is this a clear indication of unions and democrats overreach in California? If uber and lyft drivers were some obscure workers it could have passed.

I aways agreed with Uber - taxi drivers OWN the cabs and are in fact Uber partners. Cabs were there long before Uber - they can actually quit any day WITHOUT NOTICE - what "employees" do that in any other industry? They can even form their own app company.. but cannot voluntarily join optional app and claim to be employees. AirBnB obviously doesn't employ condo owners.

Robina may work for multiple companies too - split my hours - as gigger or contractor NOT employee. To become proper employee I must commit and moonlight quietly under the radar.

Unions have LOST on this one. Mainly because Uber consumers- riders- are the majority and love low rates and professional service. Accepting statewide referendum is a very bad strategy for unions. They will lose everywhere.
Proposition 16 also failed in California. The race based preference proposal was soundly rejected. Goes to show even in Blue california citizens are against race preference mandates. Racial identity politics practiced by democrats doesn't resonates with most of America including California. That's surprising.
Title: Re: Congratulations Robina
Post by: gout on November 07, 2020, 02:49:16 PM
Trump bleeding and humiliation is being taken to the edge. The beheaders are enjoying the show and his meltdown.