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Title: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 09, 2020, 08:50:09 PM
Never knew , Uhuru would stoop so low to curtail freedom of movement and freedom of association. What happened yesterday in Migori and today in Msambweni is a recipe for chaos. Especially coming from police orchestrated  violence in Muranga and Kisii.

This he is doing in the name of having BBI referendumn come to pass.
I pose a question to my self what kind of negotiation preceeded the handshake. What did Uhuru promise Raila that its so important than having a peaceful Kenya.

There is noway you can facilitate Raila campaigns through burials and prevent Rutos empoworing of youths through donations.

This is setting stage for anarchy and it wont end up well.
However unlike in 2007 where level of information and technology was so low. This time around Kenyans see and know the main players (both in government and opposition)  the main perpertutors of violence and BBI is the poisoned chalice.
 

Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: RV Pundit on October 09, 2020, 08:55:46 PM
I am glad you're finally waking up.
You've been accusing me of nonsense.
When some of us clearly highlight the early warning signals.
When some of us predict the ugly scenes.
You claim we are wishing or engineering them.

The king is naked.
He thought Ruto ni mchezo who he will toss around.

But WSR is bad news. Na bado. Uhuru is plotting the downfall of  Kenyatta family without knowing.

Now this  less than 2yrs to election -20 months - can you sustain police blocking political rallies - esp as we head into 2022 :) :)

Kichecko biggest.

If Ruto organized 20 simulatnously harambees the police force will be overwhelmed.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 09, 2020, 09:31:32 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on October 09, 2020, 08:55:46 PM
I am glad you're finally waking up.
You've been accusing me of nonsense.
When some of us clearly highlight the early warning signals.
When some of us predict the ugly scenes.
You claim we are wishing or engineering them.

The king is naked.
He thought Ruto ni mchezo who he will toss around.

But WSR is bad news. Na bado. Uhuru is plotting the downfall of  Kenyatta family without knowing.

Now this  less than 2yrs to election -20 months - can you sustain police blocking political rallies - esp as we head into 2022 :) :)

Kichecko biggest.

If Ruto organized 20 simulatnously harambees the police force will be overwhelmed.

From the last few days , it has become evident the govt is inclined to cause mayhem. First Muranga violence was remotely controlled from Office of the President , secondly the NSAC was sanctioned imediately , thirdly you cannot prevent  DP gatherings and at the same time facilitate Railas.
This ofcourse is a scheme to have Ruto and his supporters react the label him violent.
ICC is watching



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Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 09, 2020, 09:33:07 PM
Uhuru is a criminal a spoilt sissy who only understands violence, he probably thinks he can easily control Ruto and cage him but opposite is true Gatundu will burn, Gatheca thinks he is a god but hatajua hajui.. Katambe the masses do not have anything to lose.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Fairandbalanced on October 10, 2020, 12:26:24 AM
Let me get this straight, there is going to be a war between hustlers and the so called dynasties just so pineapple face buck teeth can become president?in this war, kalenjins obviously support buck teeth so there is not going to be war there, this war is going to be fought in Mt Kenya where boda boda drivers are going to hunt down the so called dynasties and finish them so buck teeth can become president. They are going to completely annihilate the dynasties or the rich, their primary employers and economic engines so buck teeth can give them wheelbarrows and jembes. You guys seem to be smoking something that’s not sitting very well. I am not worried about Kikuyus turning against one another, have you seen how quickly the conversation changed after the Muranga debacle. I would be more worried about the half of the country that hates buck teeth never accepting his victory if he won, I do not think he can win without rigging and death but even if he does, he will have to offer a lot of deals to a lot of people to be able to rule.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: RV Pundit on October 10, 2020, 12:32:30 AM
Relax as Ruto help liberate you. Ruto last time helped your rout 95% of all your leaders from MCA to the top for non-performance. Now Ruto is going to help the poor in kenya including in Mt Kenya ask very serious questions and force gov to have pro-poor policies.

For example boda boda is the main transport and employer means in kenya - so it need huge support. Just like we have Kenya Railways - receiving billions - Kenya Boda Boda corporation ought to be facilitated. Many boda boda are harresed in towns, they don't have dedicated lanes, the wards are full, nearly 1 in 5 youths (in my village estimation) in kenya has been maimed or disabled by boda boda accidents. Nearly every boda boda rider in kenya has had an accident and their faces are bruised. And yet nobody talks about them.

Nobody is going to attack anybody unless the gov attacks hustlers. Hustlers will elect Ruto who will enact pro-poor policies.

There are 17M youths without jobs. They need jobs. Gov has to engage in mass employment activities. Ruto contend 1M alone can be employed if we get chinese like construction engine going on.

But if you attack hustlers' - or rig their victory - ole wako. The boda bodas alone will overrun the police in 3 days max. From there it will be downhill - because you have rejected pro-poor policies - they will do it in crude way.

This is a conversation we should have had long time ago but tribal politics always go in the way. Now the 3 sons of former president have aligned against a son of pauper - and stars have aligned for Hustler Movement and revolution.


The dichotomy has never been this clearer.

Quote from: Fairandbalanced on October 10, 2020, 12:26:24 AM
Let me get this straight, there is going to be a war between hustlers and the so called dynasties just so pineapple face buck teeth can become president?in this war, kalenjins obviously support buck teeth so there is not going to be war there, this war is going to be fought in Mt Kenya where boda boda drivers are going to hunt down the so called dynasties and finish them so buck teeth can become president. They are going to completely annihilate the dynasties or the rich, their primary employers and economic engines so buck teeth can give them wheelbarrows and jembes. You guys seem to be smoking something that’s not sitting very well. I am not worried about Kikuyus turning against one another, have you seen how quickly the conversation changed after the Muranga debacle. I would be more worried about the half of the country that hates buck teeth never accepting his victory if he won, I do not think he can win without rigging and death but even if he does, he will have to offer a lot of deals to a lot of people to be able to rule.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 10, 2020, 12:51:20 PM
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Nefertiti on October 10, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
Tangatanga is smelling defeat. They used to coax Raila to declare he will accept the results at Uhuru Park before 2012... it Mobutu turn to pledge he will accept unconditionally.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Nefertiti on October 10, 2020, 01:20:48 PM
Quote from: Fairandbalanced on October 10, 2020, 12:26:24 AM
Let me get this straight, there is going to be a war between hustlers and the so called dynasties just so pineapple face buck teeth can become president?in this war, kalenjins obviously support buck teeth so there is not going to be war there, this war is going to be fought in Mt Kenya where boda boda drivers are going to hunt down the so called dynasties and finish them so buck teeth can become president. They are going to completely annihilate the dynasties or the rich, their primary employers and economic engines so buck teeth can give them wheelbarrows and jembes. You guys seem to be smoking something that’s not sitting very well. I am not worried about Kikuyus turning against one another, have you seen how quickly the conversation changed after the Muranga debacle. I would be more worried about the half of the country that hates buck teeth never accepting his victory if he won, I do not think he can win without rigging and death but even if he does, he will have to offer a lot of deals to a lot of people to be able to rule.

It's comical to watch the whining and teeth gnashing. Mobutu is CAGED - his warrior leverage is dead - cause it is "hustlers" who lose big in any mayhem. He cannot run to court and overturn the public order act - because it is legit - rich vs poor is dictionary incitement. Even Maraga can get this one right.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: RV Pundit on October 10, 2020, 01:26:14 PM
Pray which public order act is that. There is nothing legal about Uhuru new order. Maybe public health - COVID-19. Otherwise public order act was long scrapped in the 90s. You're only required to NOTIFY the police. Not to seek their authorization. The police don't grant the rights to hold public meeting.

When you were in your diapers - the police and prov administration - use to issue public meeting permits - but now - you don't need any permit - you are just required to tell the police that hey we have a meeting tomorrow. Whatever they are purporting to issue as orders are illegal.


Political they are selling Ruto - the more they fear and block him - the more popualr he become - they are making him scarce and valuable. If he was allowed to run around - he might exhaust this hustler narrative long before the main dance. But now they are just pushing the problem forward...because eventually the country will open up...elections will be conducted.

Quote from: Robina on October 10, 2020, 01:20:48 PM
It's comical to watch the whining and teeth gnashing. Mobutu is CAGED - his warrior leverage is dead - cause it is "hustlers" who lose big in any mayhem. He cannot run to court and overturn the public order act - because it is legit - rich vs poor is dictionary incitement. Even Maraga can get this one right.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Nefertiti on October 10, 2020, 01:38:32 PM
Tangatanga just need to ask GM or Omtatah to run to high court - and illegal act will be overturned. Unless of course they are afraid it will be upheld - and they will lose legitimacy. Do you find it strange KNHRC, KUJ, LSK usual suspects are not outrightly siding with Mobutu against this UhuRao dictatorship? In Saba Saba days Aaron Ndumbis and NGOs were falling over themselves.

Quote from: RV Pundit on October 10, 2020, 01:26:14 PM
Pray which public order act is that. There is nothing legal about Uhuru new order. Maybe public health - COVID-19. Otherwise public order act was long scrapped in the 90s. You're only required to NOTIFY the police. Not to seek their authorization. The police don't grant the rights to hold public meeting.

When you were in your diapers - the police and prov administration - use to issue public meeting permits - but now - you don't need any permit - you are just required to tell the police that hey we have a meeting tomorrow. Whatever they are purporting to issue as orders are illegal.


Political they are selling Ruto - the more they fear and block him - the more popualr he become - they are making him scarce and valuable. If he was allowed to run around - he might exhaust this hustler narrative long before the main dance. But now they are just pushing the problem forward...because eventually the country will open up...elections will be conducted.

Quote from: Robina on October 10, 2020, 01:20:48 PM
It's comical to watch the whining and teeth gnashing. Mobutu is CAGED - his warrior leverage is dead - cause it is "hustlers" who lose big in any mayhem. He cannot run to court and overturn the public order act - because it is legit - rich vs poor is dictionary incitement. Even Maraga can get this one right.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: RV Pundit on October 10, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Again which act is that? You're just as ignorant as kondele street vendor. You cannot go to court to overturn what does not exist. What Ruto people need to do is simply ignore the police orders and continue with rallies. Let them break it. Soon it will look bad. And they will stop it.

As for civil society - I think there is mass transfer going on now -  strange times :) but you won't notice. Ruto is inhering Raila constitutuency under radar and still has Jubilee Asili. Which is why 65% is looking increasingily very likely.

Meanwhile Raila is still chasing two birds in the bush.

By time you wake up - Ruto through his Hustler Revolution - would be in with 2/3 mandate.

Quote from: Robina on October 10, 2020, 01:38:32 PM
Tangatanga just need to ask GM or Omtatah to run to high court - and illegal act will be overturned. Unless of course they are afraid it will be upheld - and they will lose legitimacy. Do you find it strange KNHRC, KUJ, LSK usual suspects are not outrightly siding with Mobutu against this UhuRao dictatorship? In Saba Saba days Aaron Ndumbis and NGOs were falling over themselves.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Nefertiti on October 10, 2020, 01:46:35 PM
Public Order Act section 5 cap 56 that OCS are quoting to cancel wheelbarrow events.

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Quote from: RV Pundit on October 10, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Again which act is that? You're just as ignorant as kondele street vendor. You cannot go to court to overturn what does not exist.
Quote from: Robina on October 10, 2020, 01:38:32 PM
Tangatanga just need to ask GM or Omtatah to run to high court - and illegal act will be overturned. Unless of course they are afraid it will be upheld - and they will lose legitimacy. Do you find it strange KNHRC, KUJ, LSK usual suspects are not outrightly siding with Mobutu against this UhuRao dictatorship? In Saba Saba days Aaron Ndumbis and NGOs were falling over themselves.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: RV Pundit on October 10, 2020, 01:52:17 PM
Why not read that public order act - show me where police are supposed to authorize meetings.
Quote from: Robina on October 10, 2020, 01:46:35 PM
Public Order Act section 5 cap 56 that OCS are quoting to cancel wheelbarrow events.

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Quote from: RV Pundit on October 10, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Again which act is that? You're just as ignorant as kondele street vendor. You cannot go to court to overturn what does not exist.
Quote from: Robina on October 10, 2020, 01:38:32 PM
Tangatanga just need to ask GM or Omtatah to run to high court - and illegal act will be overturned. Unless of course they are afraid it will be upheld - and they will lose legitimacy. Do you find it strange KNHRC, KUJ, LSK usual suspects are not outrightly siding with Mobutu against this UhuRao dictatorship? In Saba Saba days Aaron Ndumbis and NGOs were falling over themselves.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Nefertiti on October 10, 2020, 02:39:18 PM
That's my point: ask judge to stop illegal NSAC orders to cops to cancel rallies. I mean they already did it in Gusii, Mumias, Msambweni - illegally disallow hustler rallies

Quote from: RV Pundit on October 10, 2020, 01:52:17 PM
Why not read that public order act - show me where police are supposed to authorize meetings.
Quote from: Robina on October 10, 2020, 01:46:35 PM
Public Order Act section 5 cap 56 that OCS are quoting to cancel wheelbarrow events.

?s=20


Quote from: RV Pundit on October 10, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Again which act is that? You're just as ignorant as kondele street vendor. You cannot go to court to overturn what does not exist.
Quote from: Robina on October 10, 2020, 01:38:32 PM
Tangatanga just need to ask GM or Omtatah to run to high court - and illegal act will be overturned. Unless of course they are afraid it will be upheld - and they will lose legitimacy. Do you find it strange KNHRC, KUJ, LSK usual suspects are not outrightly siding with Mobutu against this UhuRao dictatorship? In Saba Saba days Aaron Ndumbis and NGOs were falling over themselves.
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Nefertiti on October 10, 2020, 03:00:07 PM
OCS word is final. Every law or right come down to interpretation by executive- cops, IEBC, name it - otherwise aggrieved party can run to court


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CAP. 56 Public Order Act [Rev. 2012]

PART III—Public Gatherings

SECTION 5.
(1)No person shall hold a public meeting or a public procession
except in accordance with the provisions of this section.

(2) Any person intending to convene a public meeting or a public procession shall notify the regulating officer of such intent at least three days but not more than fourteen days before the proposed date of the public meeting or procession.

(3) A notice under subsection (2) shall be in the prescribed form and shall specify—
(a) the full names and physical address of the organizer of the proposed public meeting or public procession;
(b) the proposed date of the meeting or procession and the time thereof which shall be between six o’clock in the morning and six o’clock in the afternoon;

(4) Where, upon receipt of a notice under subsection (2), it is not possible to hold the proposed public meeting or public procession for the reason that notice of another public meeting or procession on the date, at the time and at the venue proposed has already been received by the regulating officer, the regulating officer shall forthwith notify the organizer.

(5) The notification by the regulating officer under subsection (4) shall be in writing and shall be delivered to the organizer at the physical address specified pursuant to the provisions of subsection (3).

(6) Where the regulating officer notifies the organizer of a public meeting or public procession in accordance with subsection (3) that it is not possible to hold the proposed meeting or procession, such public meeting or procession shall not be held on the date, at the time and venue proposed, but may, subject to this section, be held on such future date as the organizer may subsequently notify.

(7) The organizer of every public meeting or public procession or his authorized agent shall be present throughout the meeting or procession and shall assist the police in the maintenance of peace and order at the meeting or procession.

(8.) The regulating officer or any police officer of or above the rank of inspector may stop or prevent the holding of—
(a) any public meeting or public procession held contrary to the provisions of sub-sections (2) or (6);
(b) any public gathering or other meeting or procession which, having regard to the rights and interests of the persons participating in such gathering, meeting or procession, there is clear, present or imminent danger of a breach of the peace or public order,
and may, for any of the purposes aforesaid, give or issue such orders, including orders for the dispersal of the meeting, procession or gathering as are reasonable in the circumstances, having regard to the rights and freedoms of the persons in respect of whom such orders are issued and the rights and freedoms of others.

(9) Any person who neglects or refuses to obey any order given or issued under subsection (7) shall be guilty of an offence.
 route in the case of a public procession.

(10) Any public meeting or public procession held contrary to the provisions of subsections (1) and (5) shall be deemed to be an unlawful assembly.

(11) Any person who takes part in any public meeting or public procession deemed to be an unlawful assembly under subsection (10), or holds, convenes or organizes or is concerned in the holding, convening or organizing of any such meeting or procession shall be guilty of the offence of taking part in an unlawful assembly under Chapter IX of the Penal Code and liable to imprisonment for one year.

(12) The organizer of any excluded meeting may request the regulating officer that the police be present at such meeting to ensure the maintenance of peace and order.

(13) A request under subsection (12) shall be in writing and shall be delivered to the regulating officer at least three days before the proposed date of the meeting.

(14) The regulating officer shall keep a public register of all notices received under subsection (2).

(15) Any person may, during working hours, inspect the register kept under subsection (14).



https://www.nis.go.ke/downloads/Public%20Order%20Act,%20Cap%2056.pdf
Title: Re: There Is A Possibility Kenya Will Burn In 2022
Post by: Nefertiti on October 11, 2020, 11:56:50 AM
Your boy is going to court

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Stung by the security agency’s bold move, the DP quickly summoned his trusted lieutenants, who include elected politicians and other advisers, to weigh the options at his disposal.

Section 5 of the Public Order Act permits the local station commanders to use their discretion to decline or allow such gatherings.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/ruto-s-strategy-to-beat-order-against-political-meetings--2462542