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Title: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: RV Pundit on October 04, 2020, 11:45:33 PM
A pattern has emerged where there was is increasing unconstitutional interference  with freedom of movement, association and assembly for politician who for whatever reason are not for the time being favorites of President Uhuru
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Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: RV Pundit on October 05, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
I think the next strategy is to seal off central :) completely prevent Ruto from going even to a church - like kibaki did to Raila.

They are getting desperate.

Also very likely they will ban the word "Hustler" :) as hate speech designed to incite the poor against the rich.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 05, 2020, 12:55:32 AM
I think the next strategy is to seal off central :) completely prevent Ruto from going even to a church - like kibaki did to Raila.

They are getting desperate.

Also very likely they will ban the word "Hustler" :) as hate speech designed to incite the poor against the rich.

You saw Kamanda twlling Raila to ensure Uhuru takes him to Central.
Nobody ever thought the violence you were talking about actually would be hapoening in Mt Kenya. Never has it been there in history Mt Kenya doing mob justice because of politics
Mt Kenya hate Uhuru with passion because of his association with Raila .
He became Kamwana because of his dissaciation with Raila in 2013 , Uhuru in his political life has been 75% on the wrong side. In 2002 it was with Moi in 2015 it was with Raila and now from 2018 it has been with Raila.

The so called BBI which wants to strip Mt Kenya of power equation will be the last nail in Uhurus coffin politically snd influencial wise . These are people who Uhuru deceived by pretending to keep Raila off bay and only uniting with him months later. 5 years earlier they had told him they dknt mind being in opposition as long as Uhuru stands against Raila.
Matiangi snd Kibicho pretend to attack when their names are mentioned by politicians and bloggers . One thing they dont realise is come 2022 they will be in docks to answer all their misdeeds. It doesnt make sense as a civil servant to try and place yourself in the mix of politics.
Luckily Ruto is one the most tolerant and patient politician, if it was Raila in the same shoes the story would be different .
There is no difference to what Govt is doing to Ruto now vis a vis what it did to Matiba in the early 90s.but as it did then its only making him more popular.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nefertiti on October 05, 2020, 01:04:47 AM
That's a great analogy - Matiba died a bankrupt cripple and is long forgotten.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: RV Pundit on October 05, 2020, 01:09:20 AM
I think they overrate their powers. Moi even in his sunset years could not pull all that. Kenyans have passed those stages. The more they dig in - the more support Ruto gets - both within and outside GEMA.

As we approach 2022 - it will soon be everyone for himself. The ground game is ground zero. You cannot intimidate voters.

Matiangi wants to be president - I don't know how - Kibicho want to run for Kirinyanga. They are going to fail spectacularly.

Anyway I believe at some point Uhuru will be forced to sober up - otherwise he is pretty in bad shape already - and covid is not helping.

You saw Kamanda twlling Raila to ensure Uhuru takes him to Central.
Nobody ever thought the violence you were talking about actually would be hapoening in Mt Kenya. Never has it been there in history Mt Kenya doing mob justice because of politics
Mt Kenya hate Uhuru with passion because of his association with Raila .
He became Kamwana because of his dissaciation with Raila in 2013 , Uhuru in his political life has been 75% on the wrong side. In 2002 it was with Moi in 2015 it was with Raila and now from 2018 it has been with Raila.

The so called BBI which wants to strip Mt Kenya of power equation will be the last nail in Uhurus coffin politically snd influencial wise . These are people who Uhuru deceived by pretending to keep Raila off bay and only uniting with him months later. 5 years earlier they had told him they dknt mind being in opposition as long as Uhuru stands against Raila.
Matiangi snd Kibicho pretend to attack when their names are mentioned by politicians and bloggers . One thing they dont realise is come 2022 they will be in docks to answer all their misdeeds. It doesnt make sense as a civil servant to try and place yourself in the mix of politics.
Luckily Ruto is one the most tolerant and patient politician, if it was Raila in the same shoes the story would be different .
There is no difference to what Govt is doing to Ruto now vis a vis what it did to Matiba in the early 90s.but as it did then its only making him more popular.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 05, 2020, 01:16:45 AM
That's a great analogy - Matiba died a bankrupt cripple and is long forgotten.

Unlike those times you wont see Ruto anytime in jail or being poisoned..
No Paul Muires to hold brief and betray him. I bet you dont even know Muites was Matibas sidekick . You dont know what transpired then hence your one liner.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 05, 2020, 01:22:37 AM
I think they overrate their powers. Moi even in his sunset years could not pull all that. Kenyans have passed those stages. The more they dig in - the more support Ruto gets - both within and outside GEMA.

As we approach 2022 - it will soon be everyone for himself. The ground game is ground zero. You cannot intimidate voters.

Matiangi wants to be president - I don't know how - Kibicho want to run for Kirinyanga. They are going to fail spectacularly.

Anyway I believe at some point Uhuru will be forced to sober up - otherwise he is pretty in bad shape already - and covid is not helping.

You saw Kamanda twlling Raila to ensure Uhuru takes him to Central.
Nobody ever thought the violence you were talking about actually would be hapoening in Mt Kenya. Never has it been there in history Mt Kenya doing mob justice because of politics
Mt Kenya hate Uhuru with passion because of his association with Raila .
He became Kamwana because of his dissaciation with Raila in 2013 , Uhuru in his political life has been 75% on the wrong side. In 2002 it was with Moi in 2015 it was with Raila and now from 2018 it has been with Raila.

The so called BBI which wants to strip Mt Kenya of power equation will be the last nail in Uhurus coffin politically snd influencial wise . These are people who Uhuru deceived by pretending to keep Raila off bay and only uniting with him months later. 5 years earlier they had told him they dknt mind being in opposition as long as Uhuru stands against Raila.
Matiangi snd Kibicho pretend to attack when their names are mentioned by politicians and bloggers . One thing they dont realise is come 2022 they will be in docks to answer all their misdeeds. It doesnt make sense as a civil servant to try and place yourself in the mix of politics.
Luckily Ruto is one the most tolerant and patient politician, if it was Raila in the same shoes the story would be different .
There is no difference to what Govt is doing to Ruto now vis a vis what it did to Matiba in the early 90s.but as it did then its only making him more popular.

Moi was calculative , the only time he failed was because of Raila then Uhuru , the hamdshake principals.He certainly panicked after seeing NAK formation.
Now Raila is a perpetual loser   Uhuru a confused chap who almost twice gave away his Presidency in 2013 to Mudavadi and now to Raila..
He might think he has hit the jackpot by having Raila on his side but that can be gone by a stroke of a pen come 2022.
Lucky for him Ruto adores him .
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: RV Pundit on October 05, 2020, 01:25:15 AM
You really like twisting history. NAK was a joke. They were hopeless drinking coffee. What Moi wanted was Uhuru-Gideon. It's was audacious dynasty move. Moi was a political genius but I think he underrated Raila - otherwise Kibaki was dead meat - everyone abandoned him - including his financier Njenga Karume - until Tosha moment - Uhuru was already measuring statehouse drapes. Otherwise Moi had beaten Kibaki to pulp with combined GEMA plus in 1997...and he knew he was a joke....and would easily be rigged out if need be.

What he never saw was NARC - Raila inspiring the timid KANU to revolt.

Moi was calculative , the only time he failed was because of Raila then Uhuru , the hamdshake principals.He certainly panicked after seeing NAK formation.
Now Raila is a perpetual loser   Uhuru a confused chap who almost twice gave away his Presidency in 2013 to Mudavadi and now to Raila..
He might think he has hit the jackpot by having Raila on his side but that can be gone by a stroke of a pen come 2022.
Lucky for him Ruto adores him .
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: patel on October 05, 2020, 01:33:53 AM
I have to admit Ruto hustler Nation has picked tremendous support on the ground. At this point Ruto is the front runner followed by Raila at distant second. The rest Mdvd and the rest wote ni punda.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nefertiti on October 05, 2020, 01:42:16 AM
That's a great analogy - Matiba died a bankrupt cripple and is long forgotten.

Unlike those times you wont see Ruto anytime in jail or being poisoned..
No Paul Muires to hold brief and betray him. I bet you dont even know Muites was Matibas sidekick . You dont know what transpired then hence your one liner.

Matiba bore the blunt of the Moi state in 2nd liberation. He was enemy of the state before handing over to Raila who has handed over to Mobutu. That's a good summary. I wasn't around but you read it in the paper too unless you were an activist at 5 years like Njamba.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: RV Pundit on October 05, 2020, 01:45:55 AM
See the problem we are dealing with. You're just a toddler.
Matiba got done in by stroke - he became a vegetable - brain dead - mad.
He proceeded to share his wealth - and then folks took advantage - by time - the family realized - the banks were auctioning him.

Kenya really got luckly because Matiba if he had won - would have been such huge disaster.

After the stroke - his brain basically formatted - and he had to learn ABCD again.

Matiba bore the blunt of the Moi state in 2nd liberation. He was enemy of the state before handing over to Raila who has handed over to Mobutu. That's a good summary. I wasn't around but you read it in the paper too unless you were an activist at 5 years like Njamba.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nefertiti on October 05, 2020, 01:46:03 AM
Ruto adores Uhuru... seriously :D :D
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nefertiti on October 05, 2020, 01:47:01 AM
And what caused Matiba stroke?

See the problem we are dealing with. You're just a toddler.
Matiba got done in by stroke - he became a vegetable - brain dead - mad.
He proceed to share his wealth - and then folks took advantage - by time - the family realized - the banks were auctioning him.
Matiba bore the blunt of the Moi state in 2nd liberation. He was enemy of the state before handing over to Raila who has handed over to Mobutu. That's a good summary. I wasn't around but you read it in the paper too unless you were an activist at 5 years like Njamba.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: RV Pundit on October 05, 2020, 01:48:26 AM
Prison. Didn't get his diabetes or high blood pressure medication in time - bursting a vein - and making him a vegetable the rest of his life.
But some people still wanted to make him PORK.

It good gov compensated him - because Matiba was one fearless man - who gave kenyan courage to face MOI.

I think Uhuru has probably paid him the 1.5B kshs he won in court.

And what caused Matiba stroke?
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on October 05, 2020, 01:49:31 AM
I have to admit Ruto hustler Nation has picked tremendous support on the ground. At this point Ruto is the front runner followed by Raila at distant second. The rest Mdvd and the rest wote ni punda.

Honesty.com
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nefertiti on October 05, 2020, 02:35:34 AM
MOI messed Matiba. 1.5B for a ruined life is a joke.

Prison. Didn't get his diabetes or high blood pressure medication in time - bursting a vein - and making him a vegetable the rest of his life.
But some people still wanted to make him PORK.

It good gov compensated him - because Matiba was one fearless man - who gave kenyan courage to face MOI.

I think Uhuru has probably paid him the 1.5B kshs he won in court.

And what caused Matiba stroke?
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 05, 2020, 05:34:25 AM
You really like twisting history. NAK was a joke. They were hopeless drinking coffee. What Moi wanted was Uhuru-Gideon. It's was audacious dynasty move. Moi was a political genius but I think he underrated Raila - otherwise Kibaki was dead meat - everyone abandoned him - including his financier Njenga Karume - until Tosha moment - Uhuru was already measuring statehouse drapes. Otherwise Moi had beaten Kibaki to pulp with combined GEMA plus in 1997...and he knew he was a joke....and would easily be rigged out if need be.

What he never saw was NARC - Raila inspiring the timid KANU to revolt.

Moi was calculative , the only time he failed was because of Raila then Uhuru , the hamdshake principals.He certainly panicked after seeing NAK formation.
Now Raila is a perpetual loser   Uhuru a confused chap who almost twice gave away his Presidency in 2013 to Mudavadi and now to Raila..
He might think he has hit the jackpot by having Raila on his side but that can be gone by a stroke of a pen come 2022.
Lucky for him Ruto adores him .

Come on ,We know of some Kiambu and Thika politicians crossing over to KANU (Murathe and Karume)  but even Uhurus relatives Beth Mugo and uncle Muhoho stuck with Kibaki..
From calculations  Kibaki, Ngilu Wamalwas 97s votes were more than Mois and Railas combined.
NAK coming together alarmed KANU as had united FORD and they had to  scheme . To be honest cant conclude who would have won that will be an"  if theory" I dont dwell on the past but one thing is for sure , Moi thought Raila would still be on the ballot and would never support Kibaki. That one was a miscalculation.
The other thing which Raila is making the same mistake , Moi misjudged his hate by Mt Kenya. Mt Kenya at that time would dare touch anything Moi related even with a 10 inch pole. Currently Mt Kenya habours the same with Raila , even worse I believe
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 05, 2020, 05:44:19 AM
That's a great analogy - Matiba died a bankrupt cripple and is long forgotten.

Unlike those times you wont see Ruto anytime in jail or being poisoned..
No Paul Muires to hold brief and betray him. I bet you dont even know Muites was Matibas sidekick . You dont know what transpired then hence your one liner.

Matiba bore the blunt of the Moi state in 2nd liberation. He was enemy of the state before handing over to Raila who has handed over to Mobutu. That's a good summary. I wasn't around but you read it in the paper too unless you were an activist at 5 years like Njamba.

Nope we were old enough to experience what was going on then.
Some of the best political times, When Matiba was sick and rexovering in United Kingdom, Muite used to fly and come back with Matiba news .  All Kenyans wanted to hear was what Matibas plan were
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 05, 2020, 05:51:28 AM
See the problem we are dealing with. You're just a toddler.
Matiba got done in by stroke - he became a vegetable - brain dead - mad.
He proceeded to share his wealth - and then folks took advantage - by time - the family realized - the banks were auctioning him.

Kenya really got luckly because Matiba if he had won - would have been such huge disaster.

After the stroke - his brain basically formatted - and he had to learn ABCD again.

Matiba bore the blunt of the Moi state in 2nd liberation. He was enemy of the state before handing over to Raila who has handed over to Mobutu. That's a good summary. I wasn't around but you read it in the paper too unless you were an activist at 5 years like Njamba.
RV , you see when I tell you we can see through posts and tell you for a fact that  Robins has been in politics for the last 5 years Max
Like for example she would never know why Luhya , Mijikenda , Taita could switch sides quickly and support Ruto for being a Kalenjin.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: GeeMail on October 05, 2020, 04:44:05 PM
I have to admit Ruto hustler Nation has picked tremendous support on the ground. At this point Ruto is the front runner followed by Raila at distant second. The rest Mdvd and the rest wote ni punda.

The story is emerging of a self-inflicted injury in order to draw in gullible hasslers. I didn't think Patel of all people would be fooled.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nefertiti on October 05, 2020, 05:45:46 PM
That's a great analogy - Matiba died a bankrupt cripple and is long forgotten.

Unlike those times you wont see Ruto anytime in jail or being poisoned..
No Paul Muires to hold brief and betray him. I bet you dont even know Muites was Matibas sidekick . You dont know what transpired then hence your one liner.

Matiba bore the blunt of the Moi state in 2nd liberation. He was enemy of the state before handing over to Raila who has handed over to Mobutu. That's a good summary. I wasn't around but you read it in the paper too unless you were an activist at 5 years like Njamba.

Nope we were old enough to experience what was going on then.
Some of the best political times, When Matiba was sick and rexovering in United Kingdom, Muite used to fly and come back with Matiba news .  All Kenyans wanted to hear was what Matibas plan were

What was the outcome of the 1992 elections? Did Matiba win? According to Pundit Moi remained wildly popular despite the opposition-donor conspiracy to depose him. The recorded history doesn't agree with your story - Kibaki trailed Matiba closely with Mt Kenya West and Meru. Matiba wasn't all that.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nefertiti on October 05, 2020, 05:51:29 PM
I have to admit Ruto hustler Nation has picked tremendous support on the ground. At this point Ruto is the front runner followed by Raila at distant second. The rest Mdvd and the rest wote ni punda.

The story is emerging of a self-inflicted injury in order to draw in gullible hasslers. I didn't think Patel of all people would be fooled.

Haha patel is the gullible emotional type. During NRM he called me names but we became buddies when I made amends with Baba. Hustler vs dynasty  narrative is class warfare and can easily be termed incitement. Going by the NCIC statement that borders on outlawing hustler and dynasty as profiling - I wager that Sabina and/or Kieleweke plotted the mayhem at Kenol. Mobutu is out of luck and cannot outfox the system.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 05, 2020, 06:06:23 PM
That's a great analogy - Matiba died a bankrupt cripple and is long forgotten.

Unlike those times you wont see Ruto anytime in jail or being poisoned..
No Paul Muires to hold brief and betray him. I bet you dont even know Muites was Matibas sidekick . You dont know what transpired then hence your one liner.

Matiba bore the blunt of the Moi state in 2nd liberation. He was enemy of the state before handing over to Raila who has handed over to Mobutu. That's a good summary. I wasn't around but you read it in the paper too unless you were an activist at 5 years like Njamba.

Nope we were old enough to experience what was going on then.
Some of the best political times, When Matiba was sick and rexovering in United Kingdom, Muite used to fly and come back with Matiba news .  All Kenyans wanted to hear was what Matibas plan were

What was the outcome of the 1992 elections? Did Matiba win? According to Pundit Moi remained wildly popular despite the opposition-donor conspiracy to depose him. The recorded history doesn't agree with your story - Kibaki trailed Matiba closely with Mt Kenya West and Meru. Matiba wasn't all that.

Well There are claims that Matiba won, but personally I concluded that Moi won.
2 major things happened   Ford Split because of the differences between the camps of Matiba and Jaramogi, Jaramogi and his team wanted voting of presidential candidate to  be through deligates system   Matiba wanted political suffarage.
Secondly Kibaki happened and partly the reason Mt Kenya in 1997 were disenfranchised hence the lower outcome and some voted for SDP for Mps and regused to vote for pesidential candidate where as it should be the opposite.
Kibaki spoilt it for Matiba , we strongly then believed that  rhen Kibaki was Mois project because months prior to his defection from he had gone publicly and said that KANU was like a Mugumo tree   you can cut it using a razor blade.
In early 90s Naorobi was like 80%  Kikuyus  so when Matiba decided to organize saba saba with Rubia , it was so big forget this maandamano from kibera chaps,  then his homecoming from treatment in Lkndon was so big and sent panic mode to KANU.
For your info politics then was not brodcast in local station i.e. KBC tv and radio , we would only get it by personally experiencing it or through BBC.
Matiba always believed his votes in Eastern province were transfered to Kibaki although he never produced any proof. Just Matibas votes plus Kibaki remember Matiba had luhya votes courtesy of Shikuku were more than Mois , that tells you how big Mt Kenya vote was.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: patel on October 05, 2020, 07:02:34 PM
Truth is truth and you can mainly gauge political wind by polling Kenyans in different locality, I can tell you my friend hustler nation has a lot of wind on its sail. Things can change but right now the man to beat is Ruto. Raila Joho ticket is DOA no wonder they are busy stuck in Mombasa diddling teenage instagrams models. Uhuru no one want to hear about that joker especially at centro, economy is not stupid my friend.
I have to admit Ruto hustler Nation has picked tremendous support on the ground. At this point Ruto is the front runner followed by Raila at distant second. The rest Mdvd and the rest wote ni punda.

The story is emerging of a self-inflicted injury in order to draw in gullible hasslers. I didn't think Patel of all people would be fooled.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: patel on October 05, 2020, 07:06:46 PM
Robina wacha siasa. 2017 NASA  won clean clean it took Baghdad Bob kimetrica and cambridge analytical paid with ministry of health budget to stifle the will of the people.

I have to admit Ruto hustler Nation has picked tremendous support on the ground. At this point Ruto is the front runner followed by Raila at distant second. The rest Mdvd and the rest wote ni punda.

The story is emerging of a self-inflicted injury in order to draw in gullible hasslers. I didn't think Patel of all people would be fooled.

Haha patel is the gullible emotional type. During NRM he called me names but we became buddies when I made amends with Baba. Hustler vs dynasty  narrative is class warfare and can easily be termed incitement. Going by the NCIC statement that borders on outlawing hustler and dynasty as profiling - I wager that Sabina and/or Kieleweke plotted the mayhem at Kenol. Mobutu is out of luck and cannot outfox the system.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: RV Pundit on October 05, 2020, 07:10:54 PM
Still remember that BBC ringtone - at 6.30 - Dira ya something - that only way to listen to news. Kenya has come far. 2002 Citizen was allowed - otherwise before that - it was KBC - and they dedicated it to Moi - who was everywhere everyday doing something. I saw KTN in Nairobi in 93- but I think they kept off politics.

Well There are claims that Matiba won, but personally I concluded that Moi won.
2 major things happened   Ford Split because of the differences between the camps of Matiba and Jaramogi, Jaramogi and his team wanted voting of presidential candidate to  be through deligates system   Matiba wanted political suffarage.
Secondly Kibaki happened and partly the reason Mt Kenya in 1997 were disenfranchised hence the lower outcome and some voted for SDP for Mps and regused to vote for pesidential candidate where as it should be the opposite.
Kibaki spoilt it for Matiba , we strongly then believed that  rhen Kibaki was Mois project because months prior to his defection from he had gone publicly and said that KANU was like a Mugumo tree   you can cut it using a razor blade.
In early 90s Naorobi was like 80%  Kikuyus  so when Matiba decided to organize saba saba with Rubia , it was so big forget this maandamano from kibera chaps,  then his homecoming from treatment in Lkndon was so big and sent panic mode to KANU.
For your info politics then was not brodcast in local station i.e. KBC tv and radio , we would only get it by personally experiencing it or through BBC.
Matiba always believed his votes in Eastern province were transfered to Kibaki although he never produced any proof. Just Matibas votes plus Kibaki remember Matiba had luhya votes courtesy of Shikuku were more than Mois , that tells you how big Mt Kenya vote was.

Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Kichwa on October 05, 2020, 07:41:00 PM
The furthest Kenya went was 2002, since then, Kenya has been taking steps back. The clear lesson learnt after 2007 is not to give up power. The notion that somehow Ouru is going to let Ruto win and then hand him power is so STUPID it does not even make sense. I remember us telling you guys that Kumi kumi was not going to happen but pundit arrogantly retorted that Kale's are not like Luos and cannot be chezad. Now I am telling you, Ruto is wasting his time and money.  Anybody with money can hold a rally in Kenya and folks will show up. People are poor and bored.


Still remember that BBC ringtone - at 6.30 - Dira ya something - that only way to listen to news. Kenya has come far. 2002 Citizen was allowed - otherwise before that - it was KBC - and they dedicated it to Moi - who was everywhere everyday doing something. I saw KTN in Nairobi in 93- but I think they kept off politics.

Well There are claims that Matiba won, but personally I concluded that Moi won.
2 major things happened   Ford Split because of the differences between the camps of Matiba and Jaramogi, Jaramogi and his team wanted voting of presidential candidate to  be through deligates system   Matiba wanted political suffarage.
Secondly Kibaki happened and partly the reason Mt Kenya in 1997 were disenfranchised hence the lower outcome and some voted for SDP for Mps and regused to vote for pesidential candidate where as it should be the opposite.
Kibaki spoilt it for Matiba , we strongly then believed that  rhen Kibaki was Mois project because months prior to his defection from he had gone publicly and said that KANU was like a Mugumo tree   you can cut it using a razor blade.
In early 90s Naorobi was like 80%  Kikuyus  so when Matiba decided to organize saba saba with Rubia , it was so big forget this maandamano from kibera chaps,  then his homecoming from treatment in Lkndon was so big and sent panic mode to KANU.
For your info politics then was not brodcast in local station i.e. KBC tv and radio , we would only get it by personally experiencing it or through BBC.
Matiba always believed his votes in Eastern province were transfered to Kibaki although he never produced any proof. Just Matibas votes plus Kibaki remember Matiba had luhya votes courtesy of Shikuku were more than Mois , that tells you how big Mt Kenya vote was.

Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: RV Pundit on October 05, 2020, 09:14:38 PM
Kenya cannot be taken back to Siberia. Not possible.
Anyway hold your horses - Ruto is still the guy to beat.
You guys are already ahead of everyone - we are two years to election - and Ruto still looking pretty.

I believe GEMA elite are going through a tough times as they internalize power getting out - 20yrs!

So they need a little pushing.

The furthest Kenya went was 2002, since then, Kenya has been taking steps back. The clear lesson learnt after 2007 is not to give up power. The notion that somehow Ouru is going to let Ruto win and then hand him power is so STUPID it does not even make sense. I remember us telling you guys that Kumi kumi was not going to happen but pundit arrogantly retorted that Kale's are not like Luos and cannot be chezad. Now I am telling you, Ruto is wasting his time and money.  Anybody with money can hold a rally in Kenya and folks will show up. People are poor and bored.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: hk on October 06, 2020, 07:31:19 AM
Truth is truth and you can mainly gauge political wind by polling Kenyans in different locality, I can tell you my friend hustler nation has a lot of wind on its sail. Things can change but right now the man to beat is Ruto. Raila Joho ticket is DOA no wonder they are busy stuck in Mombasa diddling teenage instagrams models. Uhuru no one want to hear about that joker especially at centro, economy is not stupid my friend.
I have to admit Ruto hustler Nation has picked tremendous support on the ground. At this point Ruto is the front runner followed by Raila at distant second. The rest Mdvd and the rest wote ni punda.

The story is emerging of a self-inflicted injury in order to draw in gullible hasslers. I didn't think Patel of all people would be fooled.
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That's the reality. Ruto is the front runner now. In central uhuru is the most hated politician, honestly I think the kenyattas are tempting fate, their precious land might be invaded and acquired forcefully by the "hustlers". Obviously Ruto would be a terrible president, but hey even venezuela voted for chavez.
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: GeeMail on October 06, 2020, 02:39:42 PM
Truth is truth and you can mainly gauge political wind by polling Kenyans in different locality, I can tell you my friend hustler nation has a lot of wind on its sail. Things can change but right now the man to beat is Ruto. Raila Joho ticket is DOA no wonder they are busy stuck in Mombasa diddling teenage instagrams models. Uhuru no one want to hear about that joker especially at centro, economy is not stupid my friend.
I have to admit Ruto hustler Nation has picked tremendous support on the ground. At this point Ruto is the front runner followed by Raila at distant second. The rest Mdvd and the rest wote ni punda.

The story is emerging of a self-inflicted injury in order to draw in gullible hasslers. I didn't think Patel of all people would be fooled.

If nobody wants to hear about the joker in Centro then why would there be a fight in Muranga?
Title: Re: They are really digging in - Martha Karua can't help but notice
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 06, 2020, 03:39:23 PM
Truth is truth and you can mainly gauge political wind by polling Kenyans in different locality, I can tell you my friend hustler nation has a lot of wind on its sail. Things can change but right now the man to beat is Ruto. Raila Joho ticket is DOA no wonder they are busy stuck in Mombasa diddling teenage instagrams models. Uhuru no one want to hear about that joker especially at centro, economy is not stupid my friend.
I have to admit Ruto hustler Nation has picked tremendous support on the ground. At this point Ruto is the front runner followed by Raila at distant second. The rest Mdvd and the rest wote ni punda.

The story is emerging of a self-inflicted injury in order to draw in gullible hasslers. I didn't think Patel of all people would be fooled.

If nobody wants to hear about the joker in Centro then why would there be a fight in Muranga?

Wairia , Sabina and the BBI team paid up guys from slums in Thika  and stage managed throwing of stones and lighting of tirefires so as to create a narrative that wherever Ruto goes there is violence same thimg happened in Kisii. Same tactica employed by Raila in 2007 against Kalonzo at khadija grounds during the fight for ODM presidential candidature.


https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/politics/article/2001389067/ill-call-the-shots-in-muranga-events-says-wa-iria

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During the fundraiser, Nyoro, Wahome and Mathira MP Rigathi Gachagua heaped blames on area Woman Representative Sabina Chege for sponsoring the violence. They also roped in Wa Iria’s name claiming that he had been working under the scene to prevent the DP from holding functions in the region.

According to the trio, Chege was being funded by the Ministry of Interior to scuttle Tangatanga rallies.

“Their efforts to stop the function have failed and we are here and will donate money for this church.”

“Kibicho and Matiang’i and Chege should bring their children to cause chaos, not other people’s children, it is shameful,” said Nyoro.