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Title: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 22, 2020, 12:51:25 AM





















Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 22, 2020, 12:56:45 AM
Parliament is mortally wounded. As long as that constitution issues has not been resovled - anything it does going forward is illegimitate.  It's NOT properly costitutued without 1/3 of women. End of story. That is elephant in the room.

Way forward is for parliament to find a way to bring 1/3 of women by passing a gender bill.

The rest ni kingereza mingi. The constitution REQUIRES 1/3 of parliament be women. Copy Rwanda.

The easiest way is for parliament to convene and pass the gender bill.

Going to court will result in tears. The constitution IS VERY CLEAR ON THE ISSUE. There is nothing to sue about. Parliament cannot argue with constitution.

How do we get 1/3 women in parliament - we need ideas - but certainly politician girlfriends and wives...will be happy beneficiaries of this.

We can go for lottery - every 1/3 of constitutuencies - will have their seats reserved for women only candidate.  We can also force all political parties to nominate 1/3 of women. How they do this - is their business.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: KenyanPlato on September 22, 2020, 03:16:55 AM
I think Ahamednasir likes to use a lot legal jargon and technicalities of which I think just create nothing but smoke. Has he ever won a substantial constitutional case or he just yaps by writing yards of nonsense.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: patel on September 22, 2020, 05:17:01 AM
Precisely,  only a lazy mind would entertain that thief masquerading as senior counsel non sense.  Ahmednassir is trash.
I think Ahamednasir likes to use a lot legal jargon and technicalities of which I think just create nothing but smoke. Has he ever won a substantial constitutional case or he just yaps by writing yards of nonsense.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Kadudu on September 22, 2020, 09:58:20 AM
The Grand Mullah is a backstage lawyer. People need him when their cases have to be settled with the judge in the office and not in the courtroom. Good case is when he represented the Jubilee party in the controversial 2017 presidential election. The man had nothing to tell the court apart from personal attacks on the NASA presidential candidate. No wonder Jubilee lost the case.

I think Ahamednasir likes to use a lot legal jargon and technicalities of which I think just create nothing but smoke. Has he ever won a substantial constitutional case or he just yaps by writing yards of nonsense.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 22, 2020, 10:33:21 AM
I think Ahamednasir likes to use a lot legal jargon and technicalities of which I think just create nothing but smoke. Has he ever won a substantial constitutional case or he just yaps by writing yards of nonsense.

He won Jubilee (TNA/URP ) election case against Railas ODM in 2013 .
Remember The Raila Doctrine  -->simply states ...a presidential election can never be declared to have been free and/or fair unless Raila Odinga wins the election."

Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 22, 2020, 10:42:58 AM
Kadudus , Patel , Kplato and all ODM supporters beef with AA is simply coz he has represented  Jubilee thrice against the cases of ODM and Raila and was able to win twice and in the process exposed Raila and ODM for who they are . He is a Known Jubilee/Ruto supporter hence the mudslinging .

AA made history as one of the few layers during Nyayo era to attack Judiciary of being corrupt when no one could . When NARC came to power he lead The Judiciary overhaul , now that was historic .
And yes  Ahmednasir was instrumental in the appointment of many Judges after 2003 Judicary overhaul Including Maraga who he abhors and could be the reason some people think he is corrupt .
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 22, 2020, 11:25:30 AM
AA became powerful when he had Moi era judges kicked out - and brought in the Maragas with Kiraitu. Then he was LSK chair. And then he became even more powerful when again he was hired in JSC to interview and vet senior judges.

Basically he intimidates judges to rule his way or he will hang them.

That is why he started Nairobi Law Monthly.

At end of the day he is crook working with somalis to launder money or corrupt individuals like likes of Brian Yogo

That is how he transformed from a skinny law lecturer during our time in campus to now a BILLIONAIRE owning 1st community bank - driving 1m dollar cars.

But seeing the odds he had to surmont from Mandera - you gotta love his hustle and struggle.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 22, 2020, 11:32:05 AM
He has the harvard thing with Kiraitu and others going for them - but generally there are more intelligent lawyers like Fred Ngatia. But generally he get his way through bulldozing things  - he basically threaten the judge to rule his way or he will expose scandal or two. I am sure he has lots of guys working behind the scene to collect dirt on judges.
The Grand Mullah is a backstage lawyer. People need him when their cases have to be settled with the judge in the office and not in the courtroom. Good case is when he represented the Jubilee party in the controversial 2017 presidential election. The man had nothing to tell the court apart from personal attacks on the NASA presidential candidate. No wonder Jubilee lost the case.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 22, 2020, 11:34:01 AM
He has had two opportunities to make the judiciary in his image..2003 and recently in 2010...and judges know he is a fighter who will drag your through the mud if need be ...so many would simply rule his way....except maybe in supreme court...where he cannot intimidate judges...as those are very senior old men mostly. I bet he wins most of cases at high court - by sheer intimidation.
Kadudus , Patel , Kplato and all ODM supporters beef with AA is simply coz he has represented  Jubilee thrice against the cases of ODM and Raila and was able to win twice and in the process exposed Raila and ODM for who they are . He is a Known Jubilee/Ruto supporter hence the mudslinging .

AA made history as one of the few layers during Nyayo era to attack Judiciary of being corrupt when no one could . When NARC came to power he lead The Judiciary overhaul , now that was historic .
And yes  Ahmednasir was instrumental in the appointment of many Judges after 2003 Judicary overhaul Including Maraga who he abhors and could be the reason some people think he is corrupt .
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nefertiti on September 22, 2020, 11:38:10 AM
I agree with Grand Mulla - Maraga is a drama queen.

1. Uhuru can ignore CJ's advice.
2. Parliament can run to High Court, get a stay, and the hearing/appeals will spiral to SCORK whose determination would be final.
3. The stay in 2 above would make Parliament legitimate in the interim.
4. During the interim in 3, Parliament can pass the gender bill, or alter the 1/3 clause(s).
5. BBI is a beneficiary of this situation - as the best way to comprehensively address this and other issues.

Uhuru has just been handed a big lever IMO. He can carry out many [rogue] acts as Parliament is lameduck yet he and the courts are not.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nefertiti on September 22, 2020, 11:44:46 AM
Pundit do you know your clay god Mobutu has no party to face elections. He need to quickly rebrand Koigi Chama cha Mwananchi in case elections are called.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 22, 2020, 11:47:15 AM
There are gazillion parties including Kiunjuri Tissue Paper Party of Kenya. Tissue Paper Party will merge with many in rift valley (PDP) - to form a coalition named Hustler Nation. You don't need  a party for that - just a catch name.
Pundit do you know your clay god Mobutu has no party to face elections. He need to quickly rebrand Koigi Chama cha Mwananchi in case elections are called.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 22, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
It okay to support Raila but do not to act like a fool even in nondescript forum like this.

What did you want Maraga to do.

He has tried to meet AG and two speakers before.

Parliament has been given 10yrs - it was suppose to be 5yrs. They have had 3 debates - and nothing - and there is none on the horizon.

He has received six petitions.

The constitution he swore to upheld requires him to advice the president to disband parliament.

Now ball is in Uhuru's hand.

He can decide to act today or delay.

Parliament can go to court. Petitioners who wanted parliament disbanded can go to court.

Then court will issues orders...against their boss the CJ :) That is not possible.

High court in fact already ruled on this I belief -  and gave parliament deadline - which they have flouted.

Only way out is for parliament to meet and pass gender bill tomorrow.

Then can promise women even 50% of all seats.

And then immedately begin the process of amending the katiba and that law.

You cannot cure illegality with another illegality.

First pass gender bill rendering Uhuru decision null and void...and parliament cease being in abeyance of the constitution.

Then fix constitution...using BBI or whatever. Hopeful Ndii BASIC STRUCTURE of constitution that is not ammendable is not part of this.

It look likely to be at the core of constitution - and is not ammendable - unless entire katiba is overhauled.


But anything parliament does from now on unless to pass that gender bill is NULL AND VOID

I agree with Grand Mulla - Maraga is a drama queen.

1. Uhuru can ignore CJ's advice.
2. Parliament can run to High Court, get a stay, and the hearing/appeals will spiral to SCORK whose determination would be final.
3. The stay in 2 above would make Parliament legitimate in the interim.
4. During the interim in 3, Parliament can pass the gender bill, or alter the 1/3 clause(s).
5. BBI is a beneficiary of this situation - as the best way to comprehensively address this and other issues.

Uhuru has just been handed a big lever IMO. He can carry out many [rogue] acts as Parliament is lameduck yet he and the courts are not.

Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on September 22, 2020, 12:15:43 PM
Grand mullah is a corrupt no it all somali. Nothing worse like a mjuaji somali, but we need cut him some slack these guys from disadvantaged backgrounds hustle x2 to get to the top.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nefertiti on September 23, 2020, 03:26:20 AM
The high court can block CJ's advisory to PORK. He did not act as SCORK in this instance so he can be overruled by a mere judge - then CoA, then SCORK. He is just a state officer same as PORK, AG, IG, etc.

Your logic is faulty: if Parliament cannot pass bills hows does that exempt the gender bill? Parliament is not illegitimate unless and until actually dissolved by PORK. It can still act but is only politically lameduck - crisis of confidence or uncertainly - same as say retiring PORK. An ironic twist of fate cause we thought it Uhuru who would be lameduck.

It okay to support Raila but do not to act like a fool even in nondescript forum like this.

What did you want Maraga to do.

He has tried to meet AG and two speakers before.

Parliament has been given 10yrs - it was suppose to be 5yrs. They have had 3 debates - and nothing - and there is none on the horizon.

He has received six petitions.

The constitution he swore to upheld requires him to advice the president to disband parliament.

Now ball is in Uhuru's hand.

He can decide to act today or delay.

Parliament can go to court. Petitioners who wanted parliament disbanded can go to court.

Then court will issues orders...against their boss the CJ :) That is not possible.

High court in fact already ruled on this I belief -  and gave parliament deadline - which they have flouted.

Only way out is for parliament to meet and pass gender bill tomorrow.

Then can promise women even 50% of all seats.

And then immedately begin the process of amending the katiba and that law.

You cannot cure illegality with another illegality.

First pass gender bill rendering Uhuru decision null and void...and parliament cease being in abeyance of the constitution.

Then fix constitution...using BBI or whatever. Hopeful Ndii BASIC STRUCTURE of constitution that is not ammendable is not part of this.

It look likely to be at the core of constitution - and is not ammendable - unless entire katiba is overhauled.


But anything parliament does from now on unless to pass that gender bill is NULL AND VOID

I agree with Grand Mulla - Maraga is a drama queen.

1. Uhuru can ignore CJ's advice.
2. Parliament can run to High Court, get a stay, and the hearing/appeals will spiral to SCORK whose determination would be final.
3. The stay in 2 above would make Parliament legitimate in the interim.
4. During the interim in 3, Parliament can pass the gender bill, or alter the 1/3 clause(s).
5. BBI is a beneficiary of this situation - as the best way to comprehensively address this and other issues.

Uhuru has just been handed a big lever IMO. He can carry out many [rogue] acts as Parliament is lameduck yet he and the courts are not.

Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 23, 2020, 09:23:54 AM
CJ is the president of the court.There is already a high court ruling on the same.If they file the case the court will dismiss it.This process already left the station...started in lower courts and now all that is left for judiciary to declare parliament illegal if uhuru doesn't dissolve it..upon application of anyone
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 23, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
The high court can block CJ's advisory to PORK. He did not act as SCORK in this instance so he can be overruled by a mere judge - then CoA, then SCORK. He is just a state officer same as PORK, AG, IG, etc.

Your logic is faulty: if Parliament cannot pass bills hows does that exempt the gender bill? Parliament is not illegitimate unless and until actually dissolved by PORK. It can still act but is only politically lameduck - crisis of confidence or uncertainly - same as say retiring PORK. An ironic twist of fate cause we thought it Uhuru who would be lameduck.

It okay to support Raila but do not to act like a fool even in nondescript forum like this.

What did you want Maraga to do.

He has tried to meet AG and two speakers before.

Parliament has been given 10yrs - it was suppose to be 5yrs. They have had 3 debates - and nothing - and there is none on the horizon.

He has received six petitions.

The constitution he swore to upheld requires him to advice the president to disband parliament.

Now ball is in Uhuru's hand.

He can decide to act today or delay.

Parliament can go to court. Petitioners who wanted parliament disbanded can go to court.

Then court will issues orders...against their boss the CJ :) That is not possible.

High court in fact already ruled on this I belief -  and gave parliament deadline - which they have flouted.

Only way out is for parliament to meet and pass gender bill tomorrow.

Then can promise women even 50% of all seats.

And then immedately begin the process of amending the katiba and that law.

You cannot cure illegality with another illegality.

First pass gender bill rendering Uhuru decision null and void...and parliament cease being in abeyance of the constitution.

Then fix constitution...using BBI or whatever. Hopeful Ndii BASIC STRUCTURE of constitution that is not ammendable is not part of this.

It look likely to be at the core of constitution - and is not ammendable - unless entire katiba is overhauled.


But anything parliament does from now on unless to pass that gender bill is NULL AND VOID

I agree with Grand Mulla - Maraga is a drama queen.

1. Uhuru can ignore CJ's advice.
2. Parliament can run to High Court, get a stay, and the hearing/appeals will spiral to SCORK whose determination would be final.
3. The stay in 2 above would make Parliament legitimate in the interim.
4. During the interim in 3, Parliament can pass the gender bill, or alter the 1/3 clause(s).
5. BBI is a beneficiary of this situation - as the best way to comprehensively address this and other issues.

Uhuru has just been handed a big lever IMO. He can carry out many [rogue] acts as Parliament is lameduck yet he and the courts are not.


Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 23, 2020, 10:55:51 AM
Beside this has been heard all the way to supreme court.

In 2012, the Supreme Court of Kenya gave parliament until August 27, 2015, to enact legislation to implement the provisions of Articles 27(8) and 81(b). Despite this, Parliament has failed and/or refused to enact legislation. In March 2017, the High Court once again found that parliament had failed in their constitutional obligations to enact legislation on the gender principle, and gave them 60 days within which to do so. The court further ordered that should parliament fail to enact the legislation during this period, the provision of Article 261 of the constitution applies and any person could petition the chief justice to advise the president to dissolve parliament. Despite all this, parliament did not enact the legislation within the 60 days
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 23, 2020, 10:56:40 AM
 This is the sole constitutional remedy provided for the failure and/or refusal by parliament to enact constitutionally required legislation. Perhaps because it is a last resort, the language in Article 261(7) is mandatory for both parties. Neither the chief justice nor the president is granted any discretion; nor incidentally, does it require the chief justice to be petitioned to act.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nefertiti on September 23, 2020, 12:35:09 PM
This is like Uhuru refusing to swear in judges. If the swearing was meant to be mandatory they would automatically become judges after 21 days lapsed. Say as happens if PORK does not assent to bills - they become law after 21 days - the katiba expressly states so. But for judges instead we still have Maraga, LSK and Omtatas making incoherent noises but effectively powerless.

Only PORK has power to swear in judges - and only PORK has power to dissolve parliament in this instance. If Uhuru ignores the advisory - parliament will be lemaduck but not illegitimate. You run to court - and judge issues court order for Uhuru to dissolve parliament - but judge cannot automatically dissolve parliament nor swear judges. And Uhuru cannot be locked up for contempt cause he is above the law.

See? JSC vs PORK is the indicative precedent here.

This is the sole constitutional remedy provided for the failure and/or refusal by parliament to enact constitutionally required legislation. Perhaps because it is a last resort, the language in Article 261(7) is mandatory for both parties. Neither the chief justice nor the president is granted any discretion; nor incidentally, does it require the chief justice to be petitioned to act.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nefertiti on September 23, 2020, 12:46:26 PM
RV - this your usual fake punditry.

Judge cannot declare parliament nor PORK nor judiciary unconstitutional. Cause those are co-equal arms of GoK. Once PORK has been sworn in - you must impeach him as the only recourse - it why Kibaki swear himself at night - now new katiba only D/CJ can swear in PORK it forestall crisis.

This redux nonsense of "governor cannot be suspended from office" - the beauty of legal issues is they are not horizon like MAD. In few days it will be resolved.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 23, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
They declared Uhuru win null and void. Judiciary has powers. That is why Moi used to control it. Now a judge can throw anything anywhere. For example Mumbi just killed devolution with her naivety.

They are equal arms of gov. Uhuru does not enjoy supreme powers.

Get used to that. Maraga just about started.

RV - this your usual fake punditry.

Judge cannot declare parliament nor PORK nor judiciary unconstitutional. Cause those are co-equal arms of GoK. Once PORK has been sworn in - you must impeach him as the only recourse - it why Kibaki swear himself at night - now new katiba only D/CJ can swear in PORK it forestall crisis.

This redux nonsense of "governor cannot be suspended from office" - the beauty of legal issues is they are not horizon like MAD. In few days it will be resolved.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nefertiti on September 23, 2020, 04:46:56 PM
The katiba expressly empower SCORK (not CJ) to nullify elections within 14 or some limited days. Right now even if you discover Uhuru rigged - you can only impeach him - cause the window that give SCORK power passed.

What stop Maraga or courts from declaring the JSC list automatically sworn in despite Uhuru refusal to swear them?  8) Uhuru has ignored 4 court orders I think - and 14 days given to swear them lapsed eons ago.

Parliament will not be declared illegal - dream on - that Ndii naivety of katiba cannot be amended. It akin to declaring judiciary or executive illegal. Overriding public interest is to avoid crisis - so Omtata NGOs will be ignored. You go to elections- fewer women come back - then what? Parliament either passes the gender bill - or referendum - otherwise forget 1/3. The horse bolted in Naivasha when MPs fixed women reps to 47 instead of pro-rata nominations as CoE wanted.

"Parliament is illegal" from judge not happening.

They declared Uhuru win null and void. Judiciary has powers. That is why Moi used to control it. Now a judge can throw anything anywhere. For example Mumbi just killed devolution with her naivety.

They are equal arms of gov. Uhuru does not enjoy supreme powers.

Get used to that. Maraga just about started.

RV - this your usual fake punditry.

Judge cannot declare parliament nor PORK nor judiciary unconstitutional. Cause those are co-equal arms of GoK. Once PORK has been sworn in - you must impeach him as the only recourse - it why Kibaki swear himself at night - now new katiba only D/CJ can swear in PORK it forestall crisis.

This redux nonsense of "governor cannot be suspended from office" - the beauty of legal issues is they are not horizon like MAD. In few days it will be resolved.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 23, 2020, 04:52:44 PM
You're not any different from a Kondole woman in your lack of reasoning. There are checks and balances. Uhuru might have emasculated the police and dpp which are independent - but judiciary has proven tough. He can sit on the judges - but he aint appointing any. He can refuse to obey court orders - but they will remain  - and eventually like everything else - they will come to bite.
The katiba expressly empower SCORK (not CJ) to nullify elections within 14 or some limited days. Right now even if you discover Uhuru rigged - you can only impeach him - cause the window that give SCORK power passed.

What stop Maraga or courts from declaring the JSC list automatically sworn in despite Uhuru refusal to swear them?  8) Uhuru has ignored 4 court orders I think - and 14 days given to swear them lapsed eons ago.

Parliament will not be declared illegal - dream on - that Ndii naivety of katiba cannot be amended. It akin to declaring judiciary or executive illegal. Overriding public interest is to avoid crisis - so Omtata NGOs will be ignored. You go to elections- fewer women come back - then what? Parliament either passes the gender bill - or referendum - otherwise forget 1/3. The horse bolted in Naivasha when MPs fixed women reps to 47 instead of pro-rata nominations as CoE wanted.

"Parliament is illegal" from judge not happening.

They declared Uhuru win null and void. Judiciary has powers. That is why Moi used to control it. Now a judge can throw anything anywhere. For example Mumbi just killed devolution with her naivety.

They are equal arms of gov. Uhuru does not enjoy supreme powers.

Get used to that. Maraga just about started.

RV - this your usual fake punditry.

Judge cannot declare parliament nor PORK nor judiciary unconstitutional. Cause those are co-equal arms of GoK. Once PORK has been sworn in - you must impeach him as the only recourse - it why Kibaki swear himself at night - now new katiba only D/CJ can swear in PORK it forestall crisis.

This redux nonsense of "governor cannot be suspended from office" - the beauty of legal issues is they are not horizon like MAD. In few days it will be resolved.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 23, 2020, 04:52:58 PM
The Grand Mullah is a backstage lawyer. People need him when their cases have to be settled with the judge in the office and not in the courtroom. Good case is when he represented the Jubilee party in the controversial 2017 presidential election. The man had nothing to tell the court apart from personal attacks on the NASA presidential candidate. No wonder Jubilee lost the case.

I think Ahamednasir likes to use a lot legal jargon and technicalities of which I think just create nothing but smoke. Has he ever won a substantial constitutional case or he just yaps by writing yards of nonsense.

Yeah.  He is not a great litigator like Ngatia for instance.  All he has is an Ivy League qualification.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nefertiti on September 23, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
And you are just Miguna harebrained empty coat. Only MPs can impeach PORK. Only PORK can swear judges or dissolve parliament. Lameduck parliament obviously means uncertainty - but not illegal - Maraga already did that damage.

You're not any different from a Kondole woman in your lack of reasoning. There are checks and balances. Uhuru might have emasculated the police and dpp which are independent - but judiciary has proven tough. He can sit on the judges - but he aint appointing any. He can refuse to obey court orders - but they will remain  - and eventually like everything else - they will come to bite.
The katiba expressly empower SCORK (not CJ) to nullify elections within 14 or some limited days. Right now even if you discover Uhuru rigged - you can only impeach him - cause the window that give SCORK power passed.

What stop Maraga or courts from declaring the JSC list automatically sworn in despite Uhuru refusal to swear them?  8) Uhuru has ignored 4 court orders I think - and 14 days given to swear them lapsed eons ago.

Parliament will not be declared illegal - dream on - that Ndii naivety of katiba cannot be amended. It akin to declaring judiciary or executive illegal. Overriding public interest is to avoid crisis - so Omtata NGOs will be ignored. You go to elections- fewer women come back - then what? Parliament either passes the gender bill - or referendum - otherwise forget 1/3. The horse bolted in Naivasha when MPs fixed women reps to 47 instead of pro-rata nominations as CoE wanted.

"Parliament is illegal" from judge not happening.

They declared Uhuru win null and void. Judiciary has powers. That is why Moi used to control it. Now a judge can throw anything anywhere. For example Mumbi just killed devolution with her naivety.

They are equal arms of gov. Uhuru does not enjoy supreme powers.

Get used to that. Maraga just about started.

RV - this your usual fake punditry.

Judge cannot declare parliament nor PORK nor judiciary unconstitutional. Cause those are co-equal arms of GoK. Once PORK has been sworn in - you must impeach him as the only recourse - it why Kibaki swear himself at night - now new katiba only D/CJ can swear in PORK it forestall crisis.

This redux nonsense of "governor cannot be suspended from office" - the beauty of legal issues is they are not horizon like MAD. In few days it will be resolved.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 23, 2020, 06:20:11 PM
But Uhuru can only stall - buy time - otherwise constitution doesn't give him power - he is conveyor belt. He can only waste time. He need to appoint the judges. There is no other way around it. He needs to disband parliament if they cannot quickly enact gender bill.
And you are just Miguna harebrained empty coat. Only MPs can impeach PORK. Only PORK can swear judges or dissolve parliament. Lameduck parliament obviously means uncertainty - but not illegal - Maraga already did that damage
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nefertiti on September 23, 2020, 09:07:27 PM
Actually Uhuru can ignore the advice altogether, stall upto 2022 elections or call referendum - because MPs and elections already failed many times to pass gender cap.

Basically among 1) MPs pass gender bill by vote, 2) fresh elections or 3) referendum - it no-brainer which method is practical and which can cause crisis. National interest is big overriding factor that guide PORK besides Maraga or Omtata opinion.

But Uhuru can only stall - buy time - otherwise constitution doesn't give him power - he is conveyor belt. He can only waste time. He need to appoint the judges. There is no other way around it. He needs to disband parliament if they cannot quickly enact gender bill.
And you are just Miguna harebrained empty coat. Only MPs can impeach PORK. Only PORK can swear judges or dissolve parliament. Lameduck parliament obviously means uncertainty - but not illegal - Maraga already did that damage
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 23, 2020, 09:19:33 PM
The only thing not sueable in all that is president acting - otherwise I can sue if 1) doesn't meet the constitutional terms 2) the referendum is a process - not an event - you don't just call for a referendum - there is an elaborate procedure - for now parliamentary route is bound to have issues - so only option is to go popular way - collect 1M signatures .

Actually step one is to come up with draft bill - what exactly do you want to ammend. Realistic because it's long process that can be taken to court any time - it not feasible.

Actually Uhuru can ignore the advice altogether, stall upto 2022 elections or call referendum - because MPs and elections already failed many times to pass gender cap.

Basically among 1) MPs pass gender bill by vote, 2) fresh elections or 3) referendum - it no-brainer which method is practical and which can cause crisis. National interest is big overriding factor that guide PORK besides Maraga or Omtata opinion.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 23, 2020, 09:34:01 PM
So" Robinas punditry" says The President can just wake up and call for a referendumn , what about the 1M signatures , what about county assemblies endorsments , what about framing of the question .
Robina need to learn to ask questions if she is not sure of something and not concluding with affirmation.
RV is correct any transaction by parliament will be deemed illegal and can be challenged in courts as unconstutional.
This also means halting government in cases like bugedtry etc.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nefertiti on September 23, 2020, 09:36:35 PM
Easiest route is MPs pass gender bill obviously - already failed 10X

Elections - unknown outcome that easily spin into crisis - if MPs come back with fewer women. Already failed 2X. Possible crisis/deadlock makes elections the worst option

Referendum is murky with Omtatas/Aukots/Ndiis but practical - can have guaranteed outcome. Yes - entrench women quota or No - scrap the cap for parliament.

The only thing not sueable in all that is president acting - otherwise I can sue if 1) doesn't meet the constitutional terms 2) the referendum is a process - not an event - you don't just call for a referendum - there is an elaborate procedure - for now parliamentary route is bound to have issues - so only option is to go popular way - collect 1M signatures .

Actually step one is to come up with draft bill - what exactly do you want to ammend. Realistic because it's long process that can be taken to court any time - it not feasible.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 23, 2020, 09:37:28 PM
Behind kingereza mingi she is very ignorant. I think she is young and started learning politics a few years ago.
So" Robinas punditry" says The President can just wake up and call for a referendumn , what about the 1M signatures , what about county assemblies endorsments , what about framing of the question .
Robina need to learn to ask questions if she is not sure of something and not concluding with affirmation.
RV is correct any transaction by parliament will be deemed illegal and can be challenged in courts as unconstutional.
This also means halting government in cases like bugedtry etc.

Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 23, 2020, 09:39:23 PM
Have you ever read Kenya constitution or at least law 101?

The election of the new parliament is NOT expected to solve the gender issues.

The new parliament will come  and pass the gender legislation so the next election - 1/3 of parliament will be women.

All they need to do now is pass some gender bill. It doesn't have to be implemented pronto.

They have only failed because they thought nobody will dare disband parliament. Now you'll see them pass some gender bill. They know they are at mercy of Uhuru now....and they won't like it.

Easiest route is MPs pass gender bill obviously - already failed 10X

Elections - unknown outcome that easily spin into crisis - if MPs come back with fewer women. Already failed 2X. Possible crisis/deadlock makes elections the worst option

Referendum is murky with Omtatas/Aukots/Ndiis but practical - can have guaranteed outcome. Yes - entrench women quota or No - scrap the cap for parliament.

The only thing not sueable in all that is president acting - otherwise I can sue if 1) doesn't meet the constitutional terms 2) the referendum is a process - not an event - you don't just call for a referendum - there is an elaborate procedure - for now parliamentary route is bound to have issues - so only option is to go popular way - collect 1M signatures .

Actually step one is to come up with draft bill - what exactly do you want to ammend. Realistic because it's long process that can be taken to court any time - it not feasible.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nefertiti on September 23, 2020, 09:47:11 PM
I don't need to read law 101 to know this is rusty legalese.

Have you ever read Kenya constitution or at least law 101?

The election of the new parliament is NOT expected to solve the gender issues.

The new parliament will come  and pass the gender legislation so the next election - 1/3 of parliament will be women.

All they need to do now is pass some gender bill. It doesn't have to be implemented pronto.

They have only failed because they thought nobody will dare disband parliament. Now you'll see them pass some gender bill. They know they are at mercy of Uhuru now....and they won't like it.

Easiest route is MPs pass gender bill obviously - already failed 10X

Elections - unknown outcome that easily spin into crisis - if MPs come back with fewer women. Already failed 2X. Possible crisis/deadlock makes elections the worst option

Referendum is murky with Omtatas/Aukots/Ndiis but practical - can have guaranteed outcome. Yes - entrench women quota or No - scrap the cap for parliament.

The only thing not sueable in all that is president acting - otherwise I can sue if 1) doesn't meet the constitutional terms 2) the referendum is a process - not an event - you don't just call for a referendum - there is an elaborate procedure - for now parliamentary route is bound to have issues - so only option is to go popular way - collect 1M signatures .

Actually step one is to come up with draft bill - what exactly do you want to ammend. Realistic because it's long process that can be taken to court any time - it not feasible.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: Nefertiti on September 23, 2020, 09:50:24 PM
Anyway Pundit and Omtata Noway - gotta run to factory shift. In few days or weeks we will see what happen.
Title: Re: Grand Mullahs Take On Maragas Advice
Post by: RV Pundit on September 23, 2020, 09:53:27 PM
Plain reading of article 261 and 262 moron.
All you do is just heckle raila, ruto, uhuru,
Zero intelligent conversation
It's like arguing with a railamainic in a some dingy bar.
Read the constitution for crying out loud.

We are not here to just argue Raila or Ruto or Uhuru - at least engage some brain cells.

Article 261

(7) If Parliament fails to enact legislation in accordance with an order under clause (6) (b), the Chief Justice shall advise the President to dissolve Parliament and the President shall dissolve Parliament.
(8) If Parliament has been dissolved under clause (7), the new Parliament shall enact the required legislation within the periods specified in the Fifth Schedule beginning with the date of commencement of the term of the new Parliament.
(9) If the new Parliament fails to enact legislation in accordance with clause (8), the provisions of clauses (1) to (8) shall apply afresh.


I don't need to read law 101 to know this is rusty legalese.