What a sad existence..why did moi decide to play this game? Or he wanted to move guys from arid zones to wet ones
It predate moi - people have been moving to mau forest - mau ilikwisha. Just go to google maps. The only recourse is to fence the remainder.
Personally - I have to discourage folks - because they are land deals every day - 10 acres for 0.5m - too good to leave - and they are genuine to an extent you don't need land transfer (there is caveat)
But this eviction - will lead to more problems - if Uhuru-Ruto don't reconcile - shida tupu - next PEV will take kenya down. That is why the angry guy from Laikipia need to chill - Murkomen is mild - pale mashinani - they won't be sympathetic -if a church could not save you in 2007 - the next -nothing can.
What a sad existence..why did moi decide to play this game? Or he wanted to move guys from arid zones to wet ones
Uhuru and his tail Tobiko are on destructive steroids. Now army guys numbed by Sierra Leone civil war you say - will join the nothing to lose kimnyageis in desperation. This is lit powder keg!
I can buy your story but Kiambaa massacre says different. Innocent women, children and old men really?
Kiambaa - went south - I have heard 3 theories - my friend come from near the area - what he told me - is that Kiambaa kalenjin panicked - basically "every village" was suppose to evict their own "madoadoa" - some villages hesisted - like Kiambaa - and they were told - that warriors from other villages - would come and burn & evict everyone indiscriminately - so they mobilized - got petrol - and started burning their kikuyu neighbours properties and eventually the church sheltering as IDP. There is also the gas explosion theory - because kikuyus were in church - this happened lunch hour - when somone was cooking. There is also Sang - local althete hero - killed theory in Yamumbi- and Nandis became violent. In Kipsigis - killing of that Too mp - turn the PEV violent - but luckly most IDps had left. In kericho some idiot shot a petrol arrow head (i don't know how they put petrol on arrow) - and shot a tranformer - the fireworks they saw.After your long rumbling story the fact remains it was premeditated killing weak defenseless people. That's totally revolting anywhere in the world.
In our place - a dozen or more gusii were killed - after mishap. I was around the place - because we had rushed to try rescue the gusii who rented in my father place. When we got there - we found them evicted - all the doors yanked - and we heard women had been told to go to police station - but generally police station were fully - and men were not admitted - they were told to walk home. War is nasty. So while still around there - we heard that gusii men seeing it was late or fearing to walk in day time - had hidden in tea bush somewhere - and a mlevi walking home - had stumbled upon them - and they had killed him. So basically people were rushing there - later - coz it was just rumours - gusii men were attacked and many killed - around 20.
The lesson I learnt from 2007 - gov is just a facade. When war breakdown. Forget it. Police stations got overwhelmed on day 1 - there were handling more than 2,000 IDPs - two kids died the same day on that police station - and men IDPS - were not admitted. Hapo utajipanga.
Next PEV - schools should immediately be turned into IDPS centers - police stations just don't have the capaity. Then next is to figure out food and water for such people.Police will not be helpful for at least first week because they will be protecting IDPS - or trying to rescue trapped people.I can buy your story but Kiambaa massacre says different. Innocent women, children and old men really?
After your long rumbling story the fact remains it was premeditated killing weak defenseless people. That's totally revolting anywhere in the world.
Anyway there is only 1 scenario for a 2022 PEV, Kalenjin will be totally alienated from rest of Kenya, this time you don't have luos, coasterians, kamba luhya to back you morally.
What will happen after will be devastating No. Kalenjin will ever come close to power again, but I guess like you say you don't have anything to lose :rolleyes:
TRUEKiambaa - went south - I have heard 3 theories - my friend come from near the area - what he told me - is that Kiambaa kalenjin panicked - basically "every village" was suppose to evict their own "madoadoa" - some villages hesisted - like Kiambaa - and they were told - that warriors from other villages - would come and burn & evict everyone indiscriminately - so they mobilized - got petrol - and started burning their kikuyu neighbours properties and eventually the church sheltering as IDP. There is also the gas explosion theory - because kikuyus were in church - this happened lunch hour - when somone was cooking. There is also Sang - local althete hero - killed theory in Yamumbi- and Nandis became violent. In Kipsigis - killing of that Too mp - turn the PEV violent - but luckly most IDps had left. In kericho some idiot shot a petrol arrow head (i don't know how they put petrol on arrow) - and shot a tranformer - the fireworks they saw.After your long rumbling story the fact remains it was premeditated killing weak defenseless people. That's totally revolting anywhere in the world.
In our place - a dozen or more gusii were killed - after mishap. I was around the place - because we had rushed to try rescue the gusii who rented in my father place. When we got there - we found them evicted - all the doors yanked - and we heard women had been told to go to police station - but generally police station were fully - and men were not admitted - they were told to walk home. War is nasty. So while still around there - we heard that gusii men seeing it was late or fearing to walk in day time - had hidden in tea bush somewhere - and a mlevi walking home - had stumbled upon them - and they had killed him. So basically people were rushing there - later - coz it was just rumours - gusii men were attacked and many killed - around 20.
The lesson I learnt from 2007 - gov is just a facade. When war breakdown. Forget it. Police stations got overwhelmed on day 1 - there were handling more than 2,000 IDPs - two kids died the same day on that police station - and men IDPS - were not admitted. Hapo utajipanga.
Next PEV - schools should immediately be turned into IDPS centers - police stations just don't have the capaity. Then next is to figure out food and water for such people.Police will not be helpful for at least first week because they will be protecting IDPS - or trying to rescue trapped people.I can buy your story but Kiambaa massacre says different. Innocent women, children and old men really?
Anyway there is only 1 scenario for a 2022 PEV, Kalenjin will be totally alienated from rest of Kenya, this time you don't have luos, coasterians, kamba luhya to back you morally.
What will happen after will be devastating No. Kalenjin will ever come close to power again, but I guess like you say you don't have anything to lose :rolleyes:
Now imagine a war where Kalenjin hero like WSR and everything else is at stake. I can tell you for free - it would be nearly impossible to find a kalenjin - would be allowed to stay "home". Matiangi and Uhuru better prepare to confront 6million people. It won't easy.But Mutahi Ngunyi says you are only 1.4M and that INCLUDES women, where are you getting 6M from? You topped up four-fold when???? :D
Those of us who were around in 2007 knows .... bla bla bla!
?s=20Without KIKUYUS, DP Ruto is NOTHING. Fact. He gave UHURU 1.4 million Votes and UHURU brought in 6 million votes of his own. FACT. Murkomen is talking GIBBERISH as usual when he SAYS that Ruto made Uhuru President. ZERO. You REMOVE Kikuyus from RUTO, there will be no Ruto. FINITO.
— Mutahi Ngunyi (@MutahiNgunyi) September 4, 2020
But Mutahi Ngunyi says you are only 1.4M and that INCLUDES women, where are you getting 6M from? You topped up four-fold when???? :D?s=20Without KIKUYUS, DP Ruto is NOTHING. Fact. He gave UHURU 1.4 million Votes and UHURU brought in 6 million votes of his own. FACT. Murkomen is talking GIBBERISH as usual when he SAYS that Ruto made Uhuru President. ZERO. You REMOVE Kikuyus from RUTO, there will be no Ruto. FINITO.
— Mutahi Ngunyi (@MutahiNgunyi) September 4, 2020
Kalenjin are 6.4M - I left 0.4M babies as of last year. When war start in Kalenjin - nearly everyone plays a role. The few like me - I had to hide severally - from being conscripted. At one point they were going door to door - we had to hide in tea plantation. I don't think you understand what a war cry in Kalenjin mean. It basically mean - all those women - will go into war mode, prepare food and leave it on the road, for warriors, old wazee will do their role, everyone is expected to assist in some way. Those who cannot - are expected to remain silent. There are protocols for everything - including which side of the road to walk."Are Kenya Bantus ready for war" pundit you double as a clown, hell yes we are, the fact however is only kalenjin will go to war, Uhuru will just send police to deal. With you, even masaai are not on your side, where will this war be? Other kabilas will demolish you. You say you will run to Uganda where will you pass by luhya luos and other will block you, pundit kalenjin will be decimated properly trust me, best way is you buy shamba in embu there you will be very peaceful.
This has been documented in Waki, CID, NSIS, Police, here and elsewhere for free - and you still insist - and then you come crying ICC.
Whoever is formenting a war like Tobiko and Uhuru should be very CLEAR about the consequence.
Maasai understand war and don't give a damn - they are like Kalenjin - war-like or war is normal business life - but are Kenyan bantus ready for war.
Tobiko doesn't care - the Maasai - will protect themselves - but will 1M kikuyus saddled amongst kalenjin be able to do the same.
Uhuru has to be careful because Tobiko is creating a war - and the biggest victims - will not be Maasai - but Kikuyus, Gusiis, Luhyas and Luos.
Instead of firing such loosers who forment tribal clashes - he is rewarding them - to extend they call someone like Ruto - whose word the kalenjin will heed - names.But Mutahi Ngunyi says you are only 1.4M and that INCLUDES women, where are you getting 6M from? You topped up four-fold when???? :D?s=20Without KIKUYUS, DP Ruto is NOTHING. Fact. He gave UHURU 1.4 million Votes and UHURU brought in 6 million votes of his own. FACT. Murkomen is talking GIBBERISH as usual when he SAYS that Ruto made Uhuru President. ZERO. You REMOVE Kikuyus from RUTO, there will be no Ruto. FINITO.
— Mutahi Ngunyi (@MutahiNgunyi) September 4, 2020
"Are Kenya Bantus ready for war" pundit you double as a clown, hell yes we are, the fact however is only kalenjin will go to war, Uhuru will just send police to deal. With you, even masaai are not on your side, where will this war be? Other kabilas will demolish you. You say you will run to Uganda where will you pass by luhya luos and other will block you, pundit kalenjin will be decimated properly trust me, best way is you buy shamba in embu there you will be very peaceful.
I know what warriors are capable ofThat line should be your signature, you repeat it like 1000 times. What will happen is other kabilas will take your land and women as spoils, luos, kisii, luhya, masaai and other hoi polloi kabilas, after 2022.Pev Kalenjin will cease to exist as a tribe mark my words, only Mois tugen will survive.
That line should be your signature, you repeat it like 1000 times. What will happen is other kabilas will take your land and women as spoils, luos, kisii, luhya, masaai and other hoi polloi kabilas, after 2022.Pev Kalenjin will cease to exist as a tribe mark my words, only Mois tugen will survive.
Wish we bordered kalenjins would have been fun, I would love to see"warriors" in action, kweli you lucky you border timid kabilas with exception of masaai.
Mountain warrior - Can you go and attack GSU camp or hold police hostageIf you smart you will understand........... why government doesn't arm Merus. Pundit we border samburus, turkanas, somalis and borana...... Think deep..... We are constantly in war mode si hii yenu ya upuzi.
Kalenjin were not interested in killing. Otherwise the figures would mirror Rwanda. That is a fact that I know.
Kalenjin are war machine - in 1992 - Kalenjin were fighting in all directions - luos, luhyas, gusii, kikuyus and name them.
Which was stupid - because election were a year away - I guess Moi had decided kenya to go south - luckly he won in 93.
Kalenjin will only fear the police or army bullets - not other tribes.
I think you really need to understand the kalenjin war infrastructure.
But Kalenjin diaspora of course will suffer - many kalenjin were killed in places like Subukia.
My own bro in 1992 escaped in Thika - Kalenjin were be yacked from matatu - and killed.
I knew a family whose cattle trader was killed by Luos in Sondu when war began.
I hope the next war when it will happen - we will all get lucky and know in advance so we can be safe.
Personally I'd escaped abroad to Uganda or Rwanda if possible.After your long rumbling story the fact remains it was premeditated killing weak defenseless people. That's totally revolting anywhere in the world.
Anyway there is only 1 scenario for a 2022 PEV, Kalenjin will be totally alienated from rest of Kenya, this time you don't have luos, coasterians, kamba luhya to back you morally.
What will happen after will be devastating No. Kalenjin will ever come close to power again, but I guess like you say you don't have anything to lose :rolleyes:
Nonsense on steroids.... refer to Njuri Ncheke admonition above! Stop touting this nonsense Pundit....
Truth will set you free. Even Miguna agrees.
"Let tissue Paper Tobiko try MCA seat in Maasai land before lecturing us about William Samoei Ruto, a man who is mostly respected even in Despot Uhuru's backyard. Tobiko is a political reject used by despot Uhuru and Conman Raila to cause mass evictions and demolitions of citizens premises, destruction of property and beating of people using illegal police."
60,000 were evicted last year - now we are going into another 40,000 - and politics is going south btw the usual protagonist - and you think 2022 will be easy beezy. Ile vita inakuja kenya - ni ya kukata na shoka. And I am not calling for one - but I can see all the EARLY WARNING SIGNS - and if you cannot - pole sana - your stupidity is legendary. Shutting up won't stop it. It upon people in authority including international community to be aware that things are going south....and Uhuru is out of control - way before millions are killed, raped, evicted and their lifes destroyed
https://allafrica.com/stories/201909020183.html
Pundit, stop quoting Miguna. He is a wounded man just out to inflict injury to any of his perceived opponents. Also an elective post is not everything in Kenya. Even the richest Kenyans have failed in their attempts to get an elective post see Jimnah Mbaru in 2013. So an elective post is not the norma ultra inlife. Even Miguna himself has failed to get elected.
Tobiko was a total failure as DPP. Compromised to the core. It does not make his mission to restore the Mau also a failure. Let the man do his job.
Also note on your war cries. If Ruto looses the election or even better, is not declared the winner in 2022, nothing outside the RV will happen. Note all the other ethnic groups who live in RV will be on the alert this time. There will be no surprises. Kila mtu atajipanga.Truth will set you free. Even Miguna agrees.
"Let tissue Paper Tobiko try MCA seat in Maasai land before lecturing us about William Samoei Ruto, a man who is mostly respected even in Despot Uhuru's backyard. Tobiko is a political reject used by despot Uhuru and Conman Raila to cause mass evictions and demolitions of citizens premises, destruction of property and beating of people using illegal police."
60,000 were evicted last year - now we are going into another 40,000 - and politics is going south btw the usual protagonist - and you think 2022 will be easy beezy. Ile vita inakuja kenya - ni ya kukata na shoka. And I am not calling for one - but I can see all the EARLY WARNING SIGNS - and if you cannot - pole sana - your stupidity is legendary. Shutting up won't stop it. It upon people in authority including international community to be aware that things are going south....and Uhuru is out of control - way before millions are killed, raped, evicted and their lifes destroyed
https://allafrica.com/stories/201909020183.html