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Title: A day in Kenyan politics is ...
Post by: audacityofhope on September 03, 2020, 11:50:08 AM
I keep telling @ Pundit that Ruto could find himself where he was in 2007, in the same camp as Raila. After all the bile  that his tribal gene has exposed him over these years, what will he be left posting?

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“I don’t want to blame Raila Odinga in this. It is wrong to always use Raila as a bogeyman because the problems that have been bedeviling Ruto has nothing to do with Raila and has everything to do with Uhuru Kenyatta,”  —Murkomen.
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Post by: Nowayhaha on September 03, 2020, 12:18:34 PM
I keep telling @ Pundit that Ruto could find himself where he was in 2007, in the same camp as Raila. After all the bile  that his tribal gene has exposed him over these years, what will he be left posting?

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“I don’t want to blame Raila Odinga in this. It is wrong to always use Raila as a bogeyman because the problems that have been bedeviling Ruto has nothing to do with Raila and has everything to do with Uhuru Kenyatta,”  —Murkomen.

I watched that show with Wamatangi,  Unfortunately Murkomen has failed to mature as a politician  he came out as Juvenile, my conclusion is that he is not going anywahere beyond senate.
If you compare Murkomen the politxal pundit vis a vis Murkomen the politician , there is a strikimg difference the pundit had the wit and talent of answering questions .He needs a sabatical go back and see how he can control emotions. Learn from the Rutos er all. Therebis a way one can answer questions and satisfy all sides.
Raila is Rutos competitor in 2022 , the front row fight should be him, then hit the people around Uhuru hard.
Murkomen came out as what Jakoyo was to Raila, If he is not carefull Rutos men may want him to be shelved.
Title: Re: A day in Kenyan politics is ...
Post by: RV Pundit on September 03, 2020, 12:56:05 PM
I have said it many times. If GEMA can agree to have Raila as PORK; then we should all agree to have Raila finally as our PORK.

Ruto bado ni kijana - just 55yrs or about...so hakuna shida if he becomes Opposition Leader.

But we know Murathe is playing Raila - promising two birds in the bush - so he doesn't ask for a share of the bird at hand.

Title: Re: A day in Kenyan politics is ...
Post by: RV Pundit on September 03, 2020, 12:59:22 PM
I think the gloves are off - even from Ruto. We are entering turbulence - just tighten your seat belts, sit tight and pray for Kenya. Well, Ruto seem to have decided, that when it come to GEMA, he is not going to bend backward anymore.
I watched that show with Wamatangi,  Unfortunately Murkomen has failed to mature as a politician  he came out as Juvenile, my conclusion is that he is not going anywahere beyond senate.
If you compare Murkomen the politxal pundit vis a vis Murkomen the politician , there is a strikimg difference the pundit had the wit and talent of answering questions .He needs a sabatical go back and see how he can control emotions. Learn from the Rutos er all. Therebis a way one can answer questions and satisfy all sides.
Raila is Rutos competitor in 2022 , the front row fight should be him, then hit the people around Uhuru hard.
Murkomen came out as what Jakoyo was to Raila, If he is not carefull Rutos men may want him to be shelved.
Title: Re: A day in Kenyan politics is ...
Post by: Pajero on September 03, 2020, 03:04:52 PM
The way murkomen spoke,its over.political mergers are formed for convinience,period.Ruto should prepare joining Raila after defeat.
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Post by: GeeMail on September 03, 2020, 04:19:29 PM
That will be another handshake. Life goes on.
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Post by: RV Pundit on September 03, 2020, 04:26:56 PM
raila is not winning
The way murkomen spoke,its over.political mergers are formed for convinience,period.Ruto should prepare joining Raila after defeat.
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Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 03, 2020, 04:41:50 PM
I keep telling @ Pundit that Ruto could find himself where he was in 2007, in the same camp as Raila. After all the bile  that his tribal gene has exposed him over these years, what will he be left posting?

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“I don’t want to blame Raila Odinga in this. It is wrong to always use Raila as a bogeyman because the problems that have been bedeviling Ruto has nothing to do with Raila and has everything to do with Uhuru Kenyatta,”  —Murkomen.

That is why I will pay close attention to 2022 with 3 months to the election.
Title: Re: A day in Kenyan politics is ...
Post by: Kadudu on September 03, 2020, 05:03:28 PM
The rest of the time is entertainment for wanainchi.

That is why I will pay close attention to 2022 with 3 months to the election.
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Post by: Nowayhaha on September 03, 2020, 05:31:06 PM
I think the gloves are off - even from Ruto. We are entering turbulence - just tighten your seat belts, sit tight and pray for Kenya. Well, Ruto seem to have decided, that when it come to GEMA, he is not going to bend backward anymore.
I watched that show with Wamatangi,  Unfortunately Murkomen has failed to mature as a politician  he came out as Juvenile, my conclusion is that he is not going anywahere beyond senate.
If you compare Murkomen the politxal pundit vis a vis Murkomen the politician , there is a strikimg difference the pundit had the wit and talent of answering questions .He needs a sabatical go back and see how he can control emotions. Learn from the Rutos er all. Therebis a way one can answer questions and satisfy all sides.
Raila is Rutos competitor in 2022 , the front row fight should be him, then hit the people around Uhuru hard.
Murkomen came out as what Jakoyo was to Raila, If he is not carefull Rutos men may want him to be shelved.

Ruto navigates his interviews and poltical statements very well and effortlessy that its hard to repell his supporters.
You can clearly see his main issues are the referendumn and Corona Alliance lead by coup team in Jubilee party.
Murkomen is yet to mature politically, he needs to take a few lessons from Ruto.

He needs to first know who the enemies are. Ruto has made his mind to galvanize Mt Kenya tirst for 2022. Then secondly go for it in 2022  with or without Jubilee.
Title: Re: A day in Kenyan politics is ...
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 03, 2020, 05:34:34 PM
The way murkomen spoke,its over.political mergers are formed for convinience,period.Ruto should prepare joining Raila after defeat.

What is over ? This is the interview , whats big about it.




Title: Re: A day in Kenyan politics is ...
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 03, 2020, 05:39:15 PM
raila is not winning
The way murkomen spoke,its over.political mergers are formed for convinience,period.Ruto should prepare joining Raila after defeat.

Raila is the only politician who has failed himself.
From 2002 to 2007 he managed to bring together GEMA as a political force.
From 2007 to 2013 he managed to make Mt Kenya and Rift valley as a political force.
Now with his quest for a referendumn he is making a first one by having My Kenya support someone from outside that is Ruto.
Moi was a real proffesor of politics he made sure his opponents were divided at all times at all costs.
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Post by: RV Pundit on September 03, 2020, 05:39:45 PM
Yes, Murkomen is too nice for politics. He is what you see is what you get.
Ruto navigates his interviews and poltical statements very well and effortlessy that its hard to repell his supporters.
You can clearly see his main issues are the referendumn and Corona Alliance lead by coup team in Jubilee party.
Murkomen is yet to mature politically, he needs to take a few lessons from Ruto.

He needs to first know who the enemies are. Ruto has made his mind to galvanize Mt Kenya tirst for 2022. Then secondly go for it in 2022  with or without Jubilee.
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Post by: Nowayhaha on September 03, 2020, 06:01:51 PM
Yes, Murkomen is too nice for politics. He is what you see is what you get.
Ruto navigates his interviews and poltical statements very well and effortlessy that its hard to repell his supporters.
You can clearly see his main issues are the referendumn and Corona Alliance lead by coup team in Jubilee party.
Murkomen is yet to mature politically, he needs to take a few lessons from Ruto.

He needs to first know who the enemies are. Ruto has made his mind to galvanize Mt Kenya tirst for 2022. Then secondly go for it in 2022  with or without Jubilee.

Exactly  He is not intriguing. Too black and white, can be easily cornered  and cant get a gem from him.
As a poltician he lacks the niche required to take him to the next level.
If he faila to improve he will be made the fall boy amongst Ruto men.
Im certainly sure his opponents in Elgeyo Marakwet are watching his moves .Soon you will hear them telling the elctorate he has failed Ruto and he will become another Frabklin Bett , blaming Ruto for his failures.
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Post by: RV Pundit on September 03, 2020, 06:19:01 PM
You're overreacting. He has far more talents than that. He is going far.
Exactly  He is not intriguing. Too black and white, can be easily cornered  and cant get a gem from him.
As a poltician he lacks the niche required to take him to the next level.
If he faila to improve he will be made the fall boy amongst Ruto men.
Im certainly sure his opponents in Elgeyo Marakwet are watching his moves .Soon you will hear them telling the elctorate he has failed Ruto and he will become another Frabklin Bett , blaming Ruto for his failures.
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Post by: Nowayhaha on September 03, 2020, 06:28:30 PM
You're overreacting. He has far more talents than that. He is going far.
Exactly  He is not intriguing. Too black and white, can be easily cornered  and cant get a gem from him.
As a poltician he lacks the niche required to take him to the next level.
If he faila to improve he will be made the fall boy amongst Ruto men.
Im certainly sure his opponents in Elgeyo Marakwet are watching his moves .Soon you will hear them telling the elctorate he has failed Ruto and he will become another Frabklin Bett , blaming Ruto for his failures.

As a poltician , No unless he changes tact.
Even in 2017 it took Rutos intervention for him to be awarded Jubilees certificate..I dont think he will be second time Lucky if he does not change tact.
Title: Re: A day in Kenyan politics is ...
Post by: RV Pundit on September 03, 2020, 06:50:55 PM
Who was competing with murkomen..in 2017..if in 2013 biwott didn't even get near him as 30yr old..Murkomen akon sawa..just need to become a ruthless liar like the rest
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Post by: Nowayhaha on September 04, 2020, 07:33:49 AM
Ruto disowns Murkomen


https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/politics/article/2001385124/murkomen-i-ve-no-idea-what-came-between-uhuru-ruto


Asked if those were Ruto's sentiments as well, Deputy President's Director of Communications Emanuel Tallam said Murkomen speaks for himself.

"The DP speaks for himself. We need to outgrow the culture of always thinking some people speak for some people unless they say so," said Tallam.
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Post by: audacityofhope on September 04, 2020, 08:37:37 PM
I keep telling @ Pundit that Ruto could find himself where he was in 2007, in the same camp as Raila. After all the bile  that his tribal gene has exposed him over these years, what will he be left posting?

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“I don’t want to blame Raila Odinga in this. It is wrong to always use Raila as a bogeyman because the problems that have been bedeviling Ruto has nothing to do with Raila and has everything to do with Uhuru Kenyatta,”  —Murkomen.

That is why I will pay close attention to 2022 with 3 months to the election.
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Title: Re: A day in Kenyan politics is ...
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 05, 2020, 10:13:59 AM
RV Pundit , You see even now journalists are saying the same things we were already saying

https://www.the-star.co.ke/siasa/2020-09-05-is-ruto-culpable-of-kemsa-scandal-or-texas-sharpshooter-victim/


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Finally, my unsolicited advice is to Ruto. You don’t pour more troops into a battle that you are already winning. Likewise, on this battle of inculpating you with the Kemsa scandal, you were already ahead. You didn’t need to even the score
Title: Re: A day in Kenyan politics is ...
Post by: gout on September 05, 2020, 12:07:34 PM
Winning, this is nothing static and unless the enemy is vanquished.  How can you talk of winning when Uhuru and his enablers are at the feeding trough.

Journalists?? Who are journalists in power equations? Mugwe just voicing the GEMA privilege you hide around.

RV Pundit , You see even now journalists are saying the same things we were already saying

https://www.the-star.co.ke/siasa/2020-09-05-is-ruto-culpable-of-kemsa-scandal-or-texas-sharpshooter-victim/


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Finally, my unsolicited advice is to Ruto. You don’t pour more troops into a battle that you are already winning. Likewise, on this battle of inculpating you with the Kemsa scandal, you were already ahead. You didn’t need to even the score
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Post by: RV Pundit on September 05, 2020, 03:07:14 PM
I am not sure what you animus with Murkomen really is. I guess you want him to continue to handle Uhuru with kids gloves so he doesn't anger GEMA ground. That is going to be hard when Uhuru himself is not pulling punches.

This will be upto GEMA to decide. If they want to go with Uhuru - Murkomen is good excuse.

I think Ruto just need to become "real" and stop walking on GEMA eggs. This is time for tough love. Like in 1M 1S - GEMA need to be told the truth - that Mandera is as important as Muranga.

RV Pundit , You see even now journalists are saying the same things we were already saying

https://www.the-star.co.ke/siasa/2020-09-05-is-ruto-culpable-of-kemsa-scandal-or-texas-sharpshooter-victim/
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Post by: Nowayhaha on September 05, 2020, 04:03:46 PM
I am not sure what you animus with Murkomen really is. I guess you want him to continue to handle Uhuru with kids gloves so he doesn't anger GEMA ground. That is going to be hard when Uhuru himself is not pulling punches.

This will be upto GEMA to decide. If they want to go with Uhuru - Murkomen is good excuse.

I think Ruto just need to become "real" and stop walking on GEMA eggs. This is time for tough love. Like in 1M 1S - GEMA need to be told the truth - that Mandera is as important as Muranga.

RV Pundit , You see even now journalists are saying the same things we were already saying

https://www.the-star.co.ke/siasa/2020-09-05-is-ruto-culpable-of-kemsa-scandal-or-texas-sharpshooter-victim/
I told you the way he talks , the way he puts a point across, the choice of words.He is a very intelligent man in 2017 campaign I saw a lot of potential  only to be disspointed later.
You said it well , If he is in poltics He needs to be a politician , talk and act as a poltician. Seems he has either been told or realised there is backlash he has changed tack today with a different narrative. Good improvement.


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Post by: RV Pundit on September 05, 2020, 04:15:24 PM
Yes, ultimately fighting Uhuru is zero sum game, if he is going home, but if he isn't, then it's worth fighting him. Poor Ruto. How do you fight when your hands are tied. Uhuru is knocking him all over and he has to please GEMA. I think Murkomen is tired with just being helpless.
I told you the way he talks , the way he puts a point across, the choice of words.He is a very intelligent man in 2017 campaign I saw a lot of potential  only to be disspointed later.
You said it well , If he is in poltics He needs to be a politician , talk and act as a poltician. Seems he has either been told or realised there is backlash he has changed tack today with a different narrative. Good improvement.



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Post by: Nowayhaha on September 06, 2020, 06:52:52 AM
RV, You see even the Ruto Opps are now pionting the same about Murkomen .

https://www.the-star.co.ke/siasa/2020-09-05-ruto-should-stay-on-message-build-bridges-use-calm-spokesmen-not-bulldogs/

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The second problem for the DP is that a large number of his supporters do not seem to appreciate the gravity of their position right now. Having been turned by the so-called ‘system’ into public enemy Number One, the DP should make his biggest task to win hearts across the country. I’m not sure he intends to do that when politicians associated with him appear confrontational and angry in public discourse.

The emotional meltdown by Elgeyo Marakwet Senator Kipchumba Murkomen a few days ago on the floor of the Senate —  even though on an unrelated matter — provides a good example of this.

It seems that Ruto and his supporters treat everything these days as a fight! If the 'deep state' does exist, I think it enjoys the spectacle of the DP and his fans engaging in what will ultimately be a fight in vain for the soul of Jubilee. It keeps them engaged for months, as their opponents plot the succession.

If the DP intends to win hearts across the country, the face of that pursuit must be national and persuasive. It would help him a great deal if Kenyans saw more of the composed and articulate Caleb Kositany than the rambunctious Murkomen
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Post by: Nowayhaha on September 06, 2020, 06:56:30 AM

And another opps taking advantage of Murkomen

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/the-standard-insider/article/2001385312/murkomen-speaks-for-dp-but-did-we-vote-for-a-love-story

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People of Kenya, please leave Senator Onesmus Kipchumba Murkomen (pictured) alone; he is just doing his job. His task as a present day Kenyan politician is to be a marionette. Now, for those who have forgotten their primary school Art and Craft lessons, the marionette is the most sophisticated in the category of inanimate instruments of performance.

Make no mistake, Murkomen is just one of many in the Deputy President’s extensive array of mouthpieces. But the rest are of a lesser variety. Most are ‘finger puppets’ who are painfully unconvincing. They are too small and expressionless to cause a national ripple. We cannot remember what they say 15 minutes after they say it! 

But Murkomen, the most favoured among the puppets, is effective. He deserves hearty congratulations. However in his stage appearance earlier week on JKL (Jeff Koinange Live), Onesmus Murkomen made grave mistakes that a good marionette should never make.


I must admit that in saying that Murkomen is a marionette, I could be wrong. Maybe the man is not a puppet, and is speaking on his own volition, raising his own sentiments and expressing his own appreciation of the political situation. But if Murkomen is speaking on his own behalf, and not that of the Deputy President, he is using his boss to gain personal traction. His goal being to outshine his master.

SEE ALSO: Murkomen vs Tobiko: War of words rages on

A keen listener during Murkomen’s JKL interview would discern some self-promotional statements that Murkomen made. For instance, Murkomen declared that at the height of the 2017 election season “he was the only politician in the President’s chopper”. He did not give us this information for no reason. He is priming himself as a centre of power himself.

Murkomen is not only dog whistling to the 1.4 million Kenyans who voted for William Ruto, but to any ‘power broker’ he thinks could elevate his political career. Murkomen is demonstrating how he can stand up to the most powerful office in the land, something that his own boss William Ruto has been unable to do. Generally, he told us that for years, the DP has been miserable and bitter, but it is him, Onesmus who has had the guts and audacity to tell the President directly.
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Post by: Nowayhaha on September 06, 2020, 06:56:27 PM
Another Ruto Opps taking advantage of Murkomen

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Post by: Nowayhaha on September 06, 2020, 08:58:43 PM

Another Opps
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