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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on July 30, 2020, 11:51:53 PM
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The real fight happens in the patent office.
https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/business/huawei-overtakes-samsung-as-top-smartphone-seller-industry-tracker-1908438
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The whole Huawei/ trade war/ China bashing is a lost cause.Whatever happened to we are the best!!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-tech-5g-security-breakingviews-idUSKCN24S09Y ok
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China always retaliates big but ignored by western media. They banned WH econ guy Kudlow, Sen Rubio and other hawks from entering China. They shuttered US consulate in Chengdu. They sanctioned Lockheed Martin. If Trump hits Tiktok they will ban Amazon, Google, Facebook or even Tesla.
This Trump buffoonery is laughable. US needs to focus on basics - continue nurturing research, higher ed, VCs and startups. You cannot fight change with tantrums and drama. China underreports her progress- not exaggerate it as Trump peddles lies. For instance China blatantly ignores US sanctions on Iran, North Korea, Venezuela with no consequences. They been slowly but surely overtaking us but remain modest about it.
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Precisely. For Trump it's just part of his Make America Great Propaganda. So china and democratic party are his main enemies. Not Russia.
China always retaliates big but ignored by western media. They banned WH econ guy Kudlow, Sen Rubio and other hawks from entering China. They shuttered US consulate in Chengdu. They sanctioned Lockheed Martin. If Trump hits Tiktok they will ban Amazon, Google, Facebook or even Tesla.
This Trump buffoonery is laughable. US needs to focus on basics - continue nurturing research, higher ed, VCs and startups. You cannot fight change with tantrums and drama. China underreports her progress- not exaggerate it as Trump peddles lies. For instance China blatantly ignores US sanctions on Iran, North Korea, Venezuela with no consequences. They been slowly but surely overtaking us but remain modest about it.
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sakaja has promised to solve it with his actuarial science degree.
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Precisely. For Trump it's just part of his Make America Great Propaganda. So china and democratic party are his main enemies. Not Russia.
China always retaliates big but ignored by western media. They banned WH econ guy Kudlow, Sen Rubio and other hawks from entering China. They shuttered US consulate in Chengdu. They sanctioned Lockheed Martin. If Trump hits Tiktok they will ban Amazon, Google, Facebook or even Tesla.
This Trump buffoonery is laughable. US needs to focus on basics - continue nurturing research, higher ed, VCs and startups. You cannot fight change with tantrums and drama. China underreports her progress- not exaggerate it as Trump peddles lies. For instance China blatantly ignores US sanctions on Iran, North Korea, Venezuela with no consequences. They been slowly but surely overtaking us but remain modest about it.
Trump reminds me of Idi Amin, who once said "print more money" when informed that there was no money.
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China always retaliates big but ignored by western media. They banned WH econ guy Kudlow, Sen Rubio and other hawks from entering China. They shuttered US consulate in Chengdu. They sanctioned Lockheed Martin. If Trump hits Tiktok they will ban Amazon, Google, Facebook or even Tesla.
As far as I know, Facebook and Google were banned in China ages ago. As for Amazon: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/amazon-china-marketplace-closing-down-heres-why.html
I doubt that banning those guys from entering China is a "big" retaliation ... how often do they go (or want to go) there?
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Ccp will fall eventually it is a matter of time
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China always retaliates big but ignored by western media. They banned WH econ guy Kudlow, Sen Rubio and other hawks from entering China. They shuttered US consulate in Chengdu. They sanctioned Lockheed Martin. If Trump hits Tiktok they will ban Amazon, Google, Facebook or even Tesla.
As far as I know, Facebook and Google were banned in China ages ago. As for Amazon: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/amazon-china-marketplace-closing-down-heres-why.html
I doubt that banning those guys from entering China is a "big" retaliation ... how often do they go (or want to go) there?
Well they still operate in Hong Kong. Likes of Apple can be squeezed to their knees if their sweatshops are shut. The assembly is done in Shenzhen. Tesla has a gigafactory in Shanghai - its biggest future market by projection.
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Ccp will fall eventually it is a matter of time
If Kanu had grown Kenya from peasantry 1500$ per capita to 15k $ - would you care what some foreigner thinks?
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As long as Chinese companies are making the technologies cheap for Africans, Asians and Latin Americans they have the market leadership.
EU has 500 million people; US has 300 million. That is less that 1 billion out 7.5 global population.
Where would we have got a below $100 - smartphone at par with Apple scam and a $200 android TV??
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Exactly. Precisely. Perfecto. And the income in these countries are also rising. So even the luxury market in China is probably equal to US.
As long as Chinese companies are making the technologies cheap for Africans, Asians and Latin Americans they have the market leadership.
EU has 500 million people; US has 300 million. That is less that 1 billion out 7.5 global population.
Where would we have got a below $100 - smartphone at par with Apple scam and a $200 android TV??
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Well they still operate in Hong Kong. Likes of Apple can be squeezed to their knees if their sweatshops are shut. The assembly is done in Shenzhen. Tesla has a gigafactory in Shanghai - its biggest future market by projection.
For companies like Google and Facebook, does Hong Kong really amount to much? (And, by the way, they may have so many headaches from the new security laws that they decide to leave on their own.) As for the others, the Chinese government has gone out of its way to help those companies, because they are seen as a huge plus for the locals. Take Tesla, for example:
" With $1.6 billion in funding from Chinese banks and record-fast approvals by the government, Musk constructed Tesla's third Gigafactory ...
So why has Tesla received such a warm welcome from China? To start, there's the incredible amount of money China stands to make off the factory alone. The Shanghai facility was financed almost entirely through state-controlled banks who can expect a pretty big return on their investment. Plus, Tesla purchased a 50-year lease of the land, which is money that goes directly to the Chinese government. Additionally, 30% of the factory's parts are purchased locally. Musk says by the end of 2020 he plans for that to reach 100%.
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Despite adding competition to China's enormous EV market, Tesla could also have benefits for the country's domestic brands. Chinese companies like NIO and Xpeng that were once dubbed "Tesla-killers" are now struggling. While they are some of the most recognized electric car brands in China, they are virtually unheard of in the West. A well-known international brand like Tesla could help introduce the country's EV industry to global market competition, giving them exposure to buyers in America and Europe, and potentially improving these companies' sales."
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-china-loves-tesla-elon-musk-2020-5
Overall, it's hard to see the kind of "big retaliation" you imagine happening over TikTok.
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By the way MOON Ki this Huawei and 5G shows how innovative China is contra to our claims. Many telcos worldwide are happily invested and are being coerced to shift. China doesn't need Tesla to learn how to compete. Huawei just overtook Samsung in phone sales despite the ban - in the end the US will lose.
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Delusional Trump has threatened to ban TikTok - unless they sell to Microsoft.
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Ccp will fall eventually it is a matter of time
If Kanu had grown Kenya from peasantry 1500$ per capita to 15k $ - would you care what some foreigner thinks?
You would think so. Hiltler developed German so did the Japanese emperors that got involved in 2nd word war. China still has 800 million dirt poor peasants that cannot be absorbed in the abracadabras of ccp
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By the way MOON Ki this Huawei and 5G shows how innovative China is contra to our claims. Many telcos worldwide are happily invested and are being coerced to shift. China doesn't need Tesla to learn how to compete. Huawei just overtook Samsung in phone sales despite the ban - in the end the US will lose.
I don't recall making any such claims.
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Ccp better behave or companies will run away. There is no reason why Google or Amazon will stay there to deal with potential liability of using slave labor and organ harvestin. No executive would want to sign off on sec fillings claiming they are not knowledgeable of any criminal activities in china..the world has changed since 1980s only ccp is still in marking timing not knowing where to move on to.
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the Chinese hate these corrupt inept ccp officials and anyone who takes them on becomes a friend. The guy ccp should help take out xi is young and progressive. Xi is hiding like saddam. He is in a fox hole afraid of his own shadow
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the Chinese hate these corrupt inept ccp officials and anyone who takes them on becomes a friend. The guy ccp should help take out xi is young and progressive. Xi is hiding like saddam. He is in a fox hole afraid of his own shadow
I don't know where you get this delusions sir. I can quote you dozens of hedge fund managers and reputable economists who basically think an economic war with China is unwinnable. When we are threatening not only private companies but countries like Germany and Belgium then you know we have lost it. Xi is matching on to Taiwan after taking Hong Kong and there is nothing we can do about it. Even crazy Duterte of the Philippines told Trump to send the US military to take on China first and he will follow closely behind. We have become a joke.
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I don't know where you get this delusions sir. I can quote you dozens of hedge fund managers and reputable economists who basically think an economic war with China is unwinnable. When we are threatening not only private companies but countries like Germany and Belgium then you know we have lost it. Xi is matching on to Taiwan after taking Hong Kong and there is nothing we can do about it. Even crazy Duterte of the Philippines told Trump to send the US military to take on China first and he will follow closely behind. We have become a joke.
That will start WWIII I can assure you.
China is not as powerful as some of you think it is. It is still dependent on the good graces of USA for its economic prosperity. America has started to turn the screws because CCP has been behaving awfully with everyone, the stage is now set for a long struggle against China.
Trump is a joke yes, but he is not wrong in taking on the CCP.
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China can't win any war is south east Asia or Asia. They were occupied by Japan like nonsense and will be beat up by any nation there. Even Taiwan could beat this useless paper tiger. Ccp cant start war not in another 100 years
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I don't know where you guys get the confidence of a military win against China. Today anything within what military analysts call the first island chain the Chinese can easily take. China has the largest arsenal of standoff weapons including the long range Dong Feng ( DF) missiles that in essence render aircraft carriers worthless. The chinese have hypersonic missiles something the US doesn't. In a short war it would be disastrous for the US. Only if the war drags on and maybe a threat of going nuclear in which case nobody really wins. Taiwan might be gone just like Crimea did in a few years.
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I don't know where you guys get the confidence of a military win against China. Today anything within what military analysts call the first island chain the Chinese can easily take. China has the largest arsenal of standoff weapons including the long range Dong Feng ( DF) missiles that in essence render aircraft carriers worthless. The chinese have hypersonic missiles something the US doesn't. In a short war it would be disastrous for the US. Only if the war drags on and maybe a threat of going nuclear in which case nobody really wins. Taiwan might be gone just like Crimea did in a few years.
China can't defeat Taiwan or Vietnam. However, they want to take on the combined might of US, Japan, India and whole of the Asean, that is a big stretch.
Remember Chinese weapons such the as Dong Fong are not battle tested, we know Chinese hardware has always been finicky and prone to quality issues. China has never mastered jet engine technology for example. China is in trouble, I see echoes of Nazi Germany, if you upset that many countries something fundamentally is wrong with you.
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Even the Chinese rich do not trust their tofu economy
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China has been banking on inability of its competitors from hitting back. India is doing a number on them with well coordinated and researched propaganda. China has a lot of issues to start puking its putrid ccp bile all over.
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Ccp pla is full wimps
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I don't know where you guys get the confidence of a military win against China. Today anything within what military analysts call the first island chain the Chinese can easily take. China has the largest arsenal of standoff weapons including the long range Dong Feng ( DF) missiles that in essence render aircraft carriers worthless. The chinese have hypersonic missiles something the US doesn't. In a short war it would be disastrous for the US. Only if the war drags on and maybe a threat of going nuclear in which case nobody really wins. Taiwan might be gone just like Crimea did in a few years.
China can't defeat Taiwan or Vietnam. However, they want to take on the combined might of US, Japan, India and whole of the Asean, that is a big stretch.
Remember Chinese weapons such the as Dong Fong are not battle tested, we know Chinese hardware has always been finicky and prone to quality issues. China has never mastered jet engine technology for example. China is in trouble, I see echoes of Nazi Germany, if you upset that many countries something fundamentally is wrong with you.
At least get some reputable sources of information not some crazy website. For a start ask yourself why the Chinese are building so many landing craft and any serious military person will tell you it most definitely is in preparation for ferrying troops and equipment for a possible land invasion of Taiwan at a future date.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/08/07/new-intelligence-shows-china-is-building-more-type-075-assault-carriers/
The Huawei fight has nothing to do with security but just tantrums of being outdone by people whom the US consider inferior.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/16/huawei-trade-global-supremacy-us-uk-china-liberal-capitalism
With regards to engine technology on Chinese jets you are behind news. The J-20 was fitted with Russian engines for a start as Chinese engineers worked on their new engine. They have already mastered thrust vectoring and the new J- 20 B's are being fitted with the new engines.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2020/08/05/china-warns-indias-rafale-fighters-have-no-chance-against-chinese-stealth-jets/
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At least get some reputable sources of information not some crazy website. For a start ask yourself why the Chinese are building so many landing craft and any serious military person will tell you it most definitely is in preparation for ferrying troops and equipment for a possible land invasion of Taiwan at a future date.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/08/07/new-intelligence-shows-china-is-building-more-type-075-assault-carriers/
The Huawei fight has nothing to do with security but just tantrums of being outdone by people whom the US consider inferior.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/16/huawei-trade-global-supremacy-us-uk-china-liberal-capitalism
With regards to engine technology on Chinese jets you are behind news. The J-20 was fitted with Russian engines for a start as Chinese engineers worked on their new engine. They have already mastered thrust vectoring and the new J- 20 B's are being fitted with the new engines.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2020/08/05/china-warns-indias-rafale-fighters-have-no-chance-against-chinese-stealth-jets/
Just proves my point, China has not mastered jet engines YET, a requisite for a great military power. All their technologies are reverse engineered soviet and Russian systems, in addition to Western technology acquired through espionage. The real test will come when hostilities break out, all hype goes out of the window. China's military is untested.
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Stealing and copying or reverse engineering technology has existed for centuries. Industrial revolution in the US was powered by stolen technology from Europe, just read or watch the documentary series The men who built America. With regards to military technology radar was a british invention while stealth was Russian but today the US has perfected the two after espionage or encouraging defectors. The russians basically had people working on the Manhattan project on the atomic bomb as spies and that is how they went nuclear something Truman had bragged it would take them decades to achieve. The Israelis are master reverse engineers too. So basically everyone steals when it comes to technology and you can't use that to say they are inferior. With regards to chinese weapons being untested that is something even the US can't definitely be confident about either. Testing your weapons against a rag tag militia or a weak country like Iraq is nothing compared to an opponent who has the ability to fight back. A sophisticated jet being flown by a third party who is not well trained is as ineffective as a worthless piece of equipment. That is why when the US shows off kills by it's pilots of Russian jets piloted by Iraqi or say Korean pilots it's nothing to brag about. When the same jets were piloted by the russians as is the case in the Korean war the US lost. Korea and Vietnam proved that the US is not invincible. Remember in both cases the US military ran for the first time in history.
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Stealing and copying or reverse engineering technology has existed for centuries. Industrial revolution in the US was powered by stolen technology from Europe, just read or watch the documentary series The men who built America. With regards to military technology radar was a british invention while stealth was Russian but today the US has perfected the two after espionage or encouraging defectors. The russians basically had people working on the Manhattan project on the atomic bomb as spies and that is how they went nuclear something Truman had bragged it would take them decades to achieve. The Israelis are master reverse engineers too. So basically everyone steals when it comes to technology and you can't use that to say they are inferior. With regards to chinese weapons being untested that is something even the US can't definitely be confident about either. Testing your weapons against a rag tag militia or a weak country like Iraq is nothing compared to an opponent who has the ability to fight back. A sophisticated jet being flown by a third party who is not well trained is as ineffective as a worthless piece of equipment. That is why when the US shows off kills by it's pilots of Russian jets piloted by Iraqi or say Korean pilots it's nothing to brag about. When the same jets were piloted by the russians as is the case in the Korean war the US lost. Korea and Vietnam proved that the US is not invincible. Remember in both cases the US military ran for the first time in history.
Espionage was always present, countries would steal ideas from each other, yes, but they put their own innovation or spin on it. China is just cloning weapons and products shamelessly, fake Apple stores, counterfeit KFC restaurants and imitation IKEAs are common place in China. J-20 fighter is a poor copy of F-35 fighter. They have even built entire replica European towns. Chinese cultural attitudes towards imitation are rooted in Confucianism. We have not talked about the poor quality and workmanship of their work, they haven't been battle tested. America has been testing its weapons systems for decades against inferior adversaries yes but at least it works. Who knows whether those Chinese junks would work as they advertise them.
BTW are you one of those Chinese 50 centers who get paid to spread CCP propaganda. You've been going a little hard in your defense of the Chinese, which is surprising in light of their treatment of black people in China
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I saw your little jibe coming. Am as American as an immigrant can get. I was educated here and have been successful here so nobody can pay me to spread propaganda. But I also took history as a minor in college and learnt about western propaganda at it's best. In fact most liberal professors here might seem anti American which at first surprised me. I attended college with a lot of Asian and middle eastern kids and in my interactions I learnt alot from them. I still keep in touch with 90% of my college friends and don't have to rely solely on western propaganda from people who have never set foot in those countries. I also have a very good grasp of military stuff because I grew up in the military. So when I challenge you avoid personal attacks. Am not a blind follower of american military industrial complex and their neocon allies who believe they can fight everyone in the world from their homes or offices while sending poor kids on the front lines. About Chinese treatment of black people... that is/was a snapshot of a people just like it happens everywhere. Wait until you meet institutionalized systems of the west that have been in place for decades to smile at you while treating you worse. I hope you don't or have never had to deal with it.China is not a heaven and it's people are not angels either but we have to live with them in a respectable relationship.
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The real fight happens in the patent office.
https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/business/huawei-overtakes-samsung-as-top-smartphone-seller-industry-tracker-1908438 (https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/business/huawei-overtakes-samsung-as-top-smartphone-seller-industry-tracker-1908438)
It must be huge in China and elsewhere. You don't see much of Huawei stateside. Samsung definitely makes its presence felt. And not just in smartphones, but also in household appliances.
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I don't know where you guys get the confidence of a military win against China. Today anything within what military analysts call the first island chain the Chinese can easily take. China has the largest arsenal of standoff weapons including the long range Dong Feng ( DF) missiles that in essence render aircraft carriers worthless. The chinese have hypersonic missiles something the US doesn't. In a short war it would be disastrous for the US. Only if the war drags on and maybe a threat of going nuclear in which case nobody really wins. Taiwan might be gone just like Crimea did in a few years.
China knows that any military conflict with the US will end in China. I consider their buildup more for deterrence purposes than any offensive intentions.
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The real fight happens in the patent office.
https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/business/huawei-overtakes-samsung-as-top-smartphone-seller-industry-tracker-1908438 (https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/business/huawei-overtakes-samsung-as-top-smartphone-seller-industry-tracker-1908438)
It must be huge in China and elsewhere. You don't see much of Huawei stateside. Samsung definitely makes its presence felt. And not just in smartphones, but also in household appliances.
I found the following article interesting on the repercussions of banning Chinese apps.
https://www.gizchina.com/2020/08/07/us-wechat-ban-would-make-iphones-in-china-useless/amp/
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There will be no other World War - trade has solved any chance of that. US symbiotic relationship with China can only allow some hyped banter to keep military industry hawks in business.
The corona virus is telling us that we need more healthcare technologies rather than military technologies and investments.
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Ccp will fall eventually it is a matter of time
If Kanu had grown Kenya from peasantry 1500$ per capita to 15k $ - would you care what some foreigner thinks?
You would think so. Hiltler developed German so did the Japanese emperors that got involved in 2nd word war. China still has 800 million dirt poor peasants that cannot be absorbed in the abracadabras of ccp
CCP has lifted 600M folks out of poverty- in 30 years - only a delusional fool would want them to fall. Chinese are way smarter than the nonsense depicted in western media. For one the party is popular and they are not stupid to discard the winning formula- which is what the CCP really is - a magic recipe for economic development. Of course CCP will some day come to an end - but they will definitely outlive western capitalist mafia and China will be firmly back to the top where they belong. CCP is solid proof there are alternative paths to prosperity besides the western model, monothink and "democracy" shoved down the global throat.
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There will be no other World War - trade has solved any chance of that. US symbiotic relationship with China can only allow some hyped banter to keep military industry hawks in business.
The corona virus is telling us that we need more healthcare technologies rather than military technologies and investments.
Some are saying corona is a Chinese bio weapon that escaped Wuhan military lab. Who knows?
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CCP has lifted 600M folks out of poverty- in 30 years - only a delusional fool would want them to fall. Chinese are way smarter than the nonsense depicted in western media. For one the party is popular and they are not stupid to discard the winning formula- which is what the CCP really is - a magic recipe for economic development. Of course CCP will some day come to an end - but they will definitely outlive western capitalist mafia and China will be firmly back to the top where they belong. CCP is solid proof there are alternative paths to prosperity besides the western model, monothink and "democracy" shoved down the global throat.
Tell that to Chinese peasants suffocating under the yoke of CCP tyranny, they will knock you out.
Those 600 mn peasants made it out of poverty in spite of the CCP not because of it. The Chinese diaspora in Singapore, Macau, Taiwan, Hong Kong and South East Asia are all much more wealthy than mainland Chinese, which shows CCP has kept back China from reaching its true potential.