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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Pajero on June 30, 2020, 05:31:04 PM
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Based on the current IEBC register
1.KIKUYU-4.8M
2.LUO-2.7M
3.KALENJIN-2.4M
4.LUHYA-2.2M
5.KAMBA-2M
6.MERU-1M
7.KISII-0.9
8.SOMALIS-0.7
9.MAASAIS-0.5
10.MIJIKENDA-0.5
11.EMBU-0.3
12.OTHERS-0.8
TOTAL=19.6
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Can you share the methodology?
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Based on the current IEBC register
1.KIKUYU-4.8M
2.LUO-2.7M
3.KALENJIN-2.4M
4.LUHYA-2.2M
5.KAMBA-2M
6.MERU-1M
7.KISII-0.9
8.SOMALIS-0.7
9.MAASAIS-0.5
10.MIJIKENDA-0.5
11.EMBU-0.3
12.OTHERS-0.8
TOTAL=19.6
Kalenjins deserve 2 cabinet posts at most. Pork Watauga kwa tv
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Merus can produce a serious running mate if they ditatch from okuyus.
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When did Luos overtake kalenjin and luhya...who died.
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Ask IEBC
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When did IEBC make these claims?
Census 2019 is only reliable data we have
Luos and Kambas cluster together at 10-11%.
Kalenjin and Luhya cluster together at 13-14%
Kikuyus are 17%
Gusii, Meru, and Somalis now cluster at 5%.
Work with that... GEMA has a headstart ..maybe >25% if you factor more adults than children.
Ask IEBC
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Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others
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2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.
It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.
Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others
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2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.
It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.
Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others
There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to
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When did IEBC make these claims?
Census 2019 is only reliable data we have
Luos and Kambas cluster together at 10-11%.
Kalenjin and Luhya cluster together at 13-14%
Kikuyus are 17%
Gusii, Meru, and Somalis now cluster at 5%.
Work with that... GEMA has a headstart ..maybe >25% if you factor more adults than children.
Ask IEBC
That is why I asked for methodology. I thought Pajero had done something like looking at the last name of every voter and determining the tribe. Because only the census cares explicitly about the tribe.
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Pundit is missing the point here,this is not population census,this is number of registered voters as per IEBC register.There is no co-relation between the two.Kalenjins and luhyas may be more than luos population wise but are trailing luos in number of registered voters.
And by the way,i have usually doubted that census data,more so the luhya and kalenjin numbers.
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Based on the current IEBC register
1.KIKUYU-4.8M
2.LUO-2.7M
3.KALENJIN-2.4M
4.LUHYA-2.2M
5.KAMBA-2M
6.MERU-1M
7.KISII-0.9
8.SOMALIS-0.7
9.MAASAIS-0.5
10.MIJIKENDA-0.5
11.EMBU-0.3
12.OTHERS-0.8
TOTAL=19.6
Looks kinda credible but am assuming its an estimate it will change by 2022. Somalis and other herders have higher population but its below 18 and many wont make into 18 due to several factors causing there life expectancy to be low,thats why Merus and Kikuyus have that high registered voters as the demographic is mostly above 18. Actually Meru has the highest life expectancy in Kenya.
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Pundit is missing the point here,this is not population census,this is number of registered voters as per IEBC register.There is no co-relation between the two.Kalenjins and luhyas may be more than luos population wise but are trailing luos in number of registered voters.
And by the way,i have usually doubted that census data,more so the luhya and kalenjin numbers.
So you have an issue with the census(not entirely wrong) and are basing this on the IEBC register. How are you deriving the tribe from the register?
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Merus can produce a serious running mate if they ditatch from okuyus.
Kabilas have always wanted us to detach from okuyu..calling us all names... .. But we are more than wise NOT stupid, we are not rebels without a cause unless you wanted us to be in opposition all those years, being with kikuyus has enabled Merus to sit on Mbig table and get the leftovers after the 2 Mbig fishes get their stomachs full, we dont mind the left overs, on the contrary Luos, kambas, luhya kisii with much huge population than Merus struggle, for us its a good survival strategy that brought us to the verge of being DP before gatheca threw a spanner in the works. We wouldn't just go for DP just for the sake and be in opposition. We know kabilas would be very happy for merus to be their. We are sticking with Hustler because its a sure bet unlike supporting baba
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2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.
It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.
Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others
There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to
Nyeri, Muranga, Kirinyaga and Kiambu could be thought of as separate tribes in a federation also. Kikuyus are bunched in a small geographical area while Kalenjins are dispersed. But let not truth get in the way of tribal propaganda.
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Acadian
What do you smoke? Kikuyus are one monolithic homogeneous tribe. There is a big difference of a tugen and a Nandi. Moi created the kalenjin to compete with kikuyus. Everyone is reacting due to kikuyu numbers domination. This couple with financial muscle kikuyus can rule Kenya till 2060
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Acadian
What do you smoke? Kikuyus are one monolithic homogeneous tribe. There is a big difference of a tugen and a Nandi. Moi created the kalenjin to compete with kikuyus. Everyone is reacting due to kikuyu numbers domination. This couple with financial muscle kikuyus can rule Kenya till 2060
So why do Kirinyaga want to be out of Kikuyu and join Embu? You have no financial muscle, you have been busy looting the state since independence. Wahindis are the real financial muscle without government patronage or stealing.
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Acadian
What do you smoke? Kikuyus are one monolithic homogeneous tribe. There is a big difference of a tugen and a Nandi. Moi created the kalenjin to compete with kikuyus. Everyone is reacting due to kikuyu numbers domination. This couple with financial muscle kikuyus can rule Kenya till 2060
So why do Kirinyaga want to be out of Kikuyu and join Embu? You have no financial muscle, you have been busy looting the state since independence. Wahindis are the real financial muscle without government patronage or stealing.
If government looting was the source we would have become poorer during moi time
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Acadian
What do you smoke? Kikuyus are one monolithic homogeneous tribe. There is a big difference of a tugen and a Nandi. Moi created the kalenjin to compete with kikuyus. Everyone is reacting due to kikuyu numbers domination. This couple with financial muscle kikuyus can rule Kenya till 2060
So why do Kirinyaga want to be out of Kikuyu and join Embu? You have no financial muscle, you have been busy looting the state since independence. Wahindis are the real financial muscle without government patronage or stealing.
If government looting was the source we would have become poorer during moi time
You did become poorer, Kibaki's tenure was when they had to reboot the plunder on grand scale. That was when you the Mwirarias, the Murungarus and the like. Real wealth creation is beyond your scope and probably most mwafrika. Graft, malfeasance, corruption is wealth destruction, robbing Paul to pay Peter scheme.
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2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.
It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.
Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others
There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to
Nyeri, Muranga, Kirinyaga and Kiambu could be thought of as separate tribes in a federation also. Kikuyus are bunched in a small geographical area while Kalenjins are dispersed. But let not truth get in the way of tribal propaganda.
I get what he means by Kikuyu being monolothic. They speak the same language. Which is a dubious standard. Some people speak the same language but don't consider themselves the same people as others who do. Rwanda for example. Somalis hate fellow Somalis with a genocidal passion, yet to an outsider it's not clear what the big deal is. Others may speak different languages, and still see themselves as one with those with a different language. Ethnicity can be a complex issue. But IMO what matters is what the people consider themselves.
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2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.
It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.
Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others
There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to
Nyeri, Muranga, Kirinyaga and Kiambu could be thought of as separate tribes in a federation also. Kikuyus are bunched in a small geographical area while Kalenjins are dispersed. But let not truth get in the way of tribal propaganda.
I get what he means by Kikuyu being monolothic. They speak the same language. Which is a dubious standard. Some people speak the same language but don't consider themselves the same people as others who do. Rwanda for example. Somalis hate fellow Somalis with a genocidal passion, yet to an outsider it's not clear what the big deal is. Others may speak different languages, and still see themselves as one with those with a different language. Ethnicity can be a complex issue. But IMO what matters is what the people consider themselves.
Kalenjins see themselves as one people, that is all that matters. They vote as a block, they hunt as unit. I don't discount the unifying force of Moi on the Kalenjins, for Kikuyus it probably was the terrible shared memory of persecution at the hands of the British that unified them and later Jomo Kenyatta. But these alliances are fragile.
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2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.
It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.
Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others
There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to
Nyeri, Muranga, Kirinyaga and Kiambu could be thought of as separate tribes in a federation also. Kikuyus are bunched in a small geographical area while Kalenjins are dispersed. But let not truth get in the way of tribal propaganda.
I get what he means by Kikuyu being monolothic. They speak the same language. Which is a dubious standard. Some people speak the same language but don't consider themselves the same people as others who do. Rwanda for example. Somalis hate fellow Somalis with a genocidal passion, yet to an outsider it's not clear what the big deal is. Others may speak different languages, and still see themselves as one with those with a different language. Ethnicity can be a complex issue. But IMO what matters is what the people consider themselves.
Kalenjins see themselves as one people, that is all that matters. They vote as a block, they hunt as unit. I don't discount the unifying force of Moi on the Kalenjins, for Kikuyus it probably was the terrible shared memory of persecution at the hands of the British that unified them and later Jomo Kenyatta. But these alliances are fragile.
Can't argue with that. Most precolonial Kenyan tribes were not much of a unit beyond a couple of villages. There was exactly one Kingdom in the entire country.
But the colonials with a better viewpoint could easily see who was related to who.
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Of 6.3m kalenjin..1.5m referred themselves as kalenjin while others choose their subtribe.The subtribe have same language and culture..and consciousness as one people
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Of 6.3m kalenjin..1.5m referred themselves as kalenjin while others choose their subtribe.The subtribe have same language and culture..and consciousness as one people
Pundit, is it true Moi was trying to coalesce Kamatusas into a tribe or at least grouping like GEMA ?
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What moi did with others in 1940 was to replace "Nandi Speaking people" with Kalenjin. Otherwise by 18th century - mzungu had studied Kalenjin - and put them in a basket called Nandi speaking people. That is why most kalenjin are reffered to as Wa-nandi. Kalenjin was coined in 1940s - not during Moi era - by alliance high school kids - who wanted to correct the misconception that all Kalenjin were nandis.
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What did Kalenjin refer themselves to before arrival of Mzungu (like Kipsigis to Keiyo) - Bikaab kutit - people of the same mouth - others would say Bikaab Cheko - people of milk.
Pundit, is it true Moi was trying to coalesce Kamatusas into a tribe or at least grouping like GEMA ?
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Kirinyanga was in Embu and Eastern until 1966 when Kenyatta wanted to expand Central. Central was 3 district of Kiambu, Muranga and Nyeri. Kenyatta took Kirinyanga from eastern (splitting embu) - and Nyandaraua (splitting Nakuru) from rift valley. Embus are so inter-mixed with Kirinyangas - the borders don't make much sense.
So why do Kirinyaga want to be out of Kikuyu and join Embu? You have no financial muscle, you have been busy looting the state since independence. Wahindis are the real financial muscle without government patronage or stealing.
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Also Kalenjin subtribe were free to move to another sub-tribe and settle. Intermarriages were common.
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How does one get the information on the ethnic group of registered voters in urban areas? Here the Kalejin have a big disadvantage from among the big 5 groups.
Pundit is missing the point here,this is not population census,this is number of registered voters as per IEBC register.There is no co-relation between the two.Kalenjins and luhyas may be more than luos population wise but are trailing luos in number of registered voters.
And by the way,i have usually doubted that census data,more so the luhya and kalenjin numbers.
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Not anymore - kalenjin are now hustling - in towns.
How does one get the information on the ethnic group of registered voters in urban areas? Here the Kalejin have a big disadvantage from among the big 5 groups.
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When did Luos overtake kalenjin and luhya...who died.
Propaganda. What matters is voter turnout. Luhya are the 2nd largest tribe but when it comes out to voting Kambas overtake them .hence the reason Musalia and Mudavadi cant be DP candidates.
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The problem we have in Kenya is many kabilas don't have their history properly studied and recorded, the best time for this was early 1900c when bazungu came he did his best but obviously lackluster kabilas werw overlooked , then another chance was when we got Uhuru 1963 these histories should have been archived but what we have in national archives is very shallow and intertwined and lumped together. Sad most kabilas have their history lost forever
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Kirinyanga was in Embu and Eastern until 1966 when Kenyatta wanted to expand Central. Central was 3 district of Kiambu, Muranga and Nyeri. Kenyatta took Kirinyanga from eastern (splitting embu) - and Nyandaraua (splitting Nakuru) from rift valley. Embus are so inter-mixed with Kirinyangas - the borders don't make much sense.
So why do Kirinyaga want to be out of Kikuyu and join Embu? You have no financial muscle, you have been busy looting the state since independence. Wahindis are the real financial muscle without government patronage or stealing.
You fail yo state one way of containing mt kenya was co.ing up with provinces. Mt Kenya people were scattered all over and substantial number were in eastern and Rv. Actually do you know the representative of Central came from Embu ? Nyaga that tells uou alot
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Not anymore - kalenjin are now hustling - in towns.
How does one get the information on the ethnic group of registered voters in urban areas? Here the Kalejin have a big disadvantage from among the big 5 groups.
Another lie, very few Kalenjins in Mombasa and Nairobi apart from Baracks, even in Nakuru they are very few. You find them in eldoret which is and rural town say like Meru and also there Luos and Kikuyus have a substantial number
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2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.
It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.
Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others
There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to
Yup. Kalenjin or Luhya are the equivalent of GEMA. If you factor Kikuyu alone then you should equally factor Nandi or Bukusu. Meru are not about to dump Kikuyu any more than Kipsigis are about to dump Nandi.
GEMA are by far the most cohesive, organized and resourceful group.
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That I don't know. There were old provinces - like NFD. Kericho for example was in Nyanza. The old province was not tribal. The British had almost haphazardly split Kenya.
In 1962 - The British hired a Prof of a surveyor from the UK to demarcate Kenya into provinces and districts - folks were unhappy with old provinces and districts.
That commission went around asking Kenyans where they wanted. Naturally, Kenyans wanted to remain with their tribes. Kipsigis for example wanted to get out of Nyanza and join fellow Kalenjin.
In the end - 1962 came up with 8 provinces - and 43-45 districts (Bomet and Nyamira were added by Moi - I think Homabaya or Nyandaraua were covered by Kenyatta-Jaramogi). It also came up with 8 provinces.
This was largely a fair process - tribal demarcation if you will - at the district level.
In 1966 - Kenyatta and Jaramogi - connive to alter boundaries. Nyandarua was carved from Nakuru and taken to central. Kirinyanga was carved out of Embu and Eastern and taken to Central. Jaramogi or Mboya got Kisumu split to Homabay.
In the early 1990s - Moi also started. He split Kisii into Nyamir and Kericho into Bomet. Giving us the current 47 counties
And then avalanche started. All which were declared illegal later because I think they didn't follow the law.
You fail yo state one way of containing mt kenya was co.ing up with provinces. Mt Kenya people were scattered all over and substantial number were in eastern and Rv. Actually do you know the representative of Central came from Embu ? Nyaga that tells uou alot
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1962 Prof Foster-Sutton Commission: Kenya Regional Boundaries Commission. Gave us the tribal tapestry that we wanted.
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That I don't know. There were old provinces - like NFD. Kericho for example was in Nyanza. The old province was not tribal. The British had almost haphazardly split Kenya.
In 1962 - The British hired a Prof of a surveyor from the UK to demarcate Kenya into provinces and districts - folks were unhappy with old provinces and districts.
That commission went around asking Kenyans where they wanted. Naturally, Kenyans wanted to remain with their tribes. Kipsigis for example wanted to get out of Nyanza and join fellow Kalenjin.
In the end - 1962 came up with 8 provinces - and 43-45 districts (Bomet and Nyamira were added by Moi - I think Homabaya or Nyandaraua were covered by Kenyatta-Jaramogi). It also came up with 8 provinces.
This was largely a fair process - tribal demarcation if you will - at the district level.
In 1966 - Kenyatta and Jaramogi - connive to alter boundaries. Nyandarua was carved from Nakuru and taken to central. Kirinyanga was carved out of Embu and Eastern and taken to Central. Jaramogi or Mboya got Kisumu split to Homabay.
In the early 1990s - Moi also started. He split Kisii into Nyamir and Kericho into Bomet. Giving us the current 47 counties
And then avalanche started. All which were declared illegal later because I think they didn't follow the law.
You fail yo state one way of containing mt kenya was co.ing up with provinces. Mt Kenya people were scattered all over and substantial number were in eastern and Rv. Actually do you know the representative of Central came from Embu ? Nyaga that tells uou alot
Pundit
In legco representative of Central represented the following districts. Dont rewrite history. Fyi during the 2010 constitution writing Martha Karua had managed to put this issue as part of the agenda and consesus was it was to be revisited after promulgation of the constituion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Mate
Mate ran in the 1957, winning the CentralKenya seat for the LegCo,[4] against former nominated MP Eliud Mathu as well as such politicians as Jeremiah Nyagah.[5] Mate won fifty one percent of the vote ahead of Elliud Mathu (30 percent) and Nyagah (12 percent).[6][7] (Central province is now composed of Meru, Tharaka Nithi, Embu, Kirinyaga, Nyeri, Laikipia Kiambu and Murang'a counties.) During Mate's term of office, he served in minority KADU government of Ronald Ngala in various capacities including Minister of Health, Education and Social Services.[8]
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Nowayaha,
1) Understand old provinces and district - pre-1963 - colonial era -Kericho for example was in Nyanza - Western was Northern Nyanza.
There were six provinces - Nyanza, Rift valley, Central, Southern, Northern and Coast.
2) Province post-1962 - 1963 - this is province and district we know. Prof Sutton commission. 8 provinces - Nairobi and Northern/Southern into North Eastern and Eastern - Nyanza split into Western and Nyanza.
I am not sure why Embu and Meru went to Eastern?
3) Post-1963 - minor alteration.
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Based on the current IEBC register
1.KIKUYU-4.8M
2.LUO-2.7M
3.KALENJIN-2.4M
4.LUHYA-2.2M
5.KAMBA-2M
6.MERU-1M
7.KISII-0.9
8.SOMALIS-0.7
9.MAASAIS-0.5
10.MIJIKENDA-0.5
11.EMBU-0.3
12.OTHERS-0.8
TOTAL=19.6
Looks kinda credible but am assuming its an estimate it will change by 2022. Somalis and other herders have higher population but its below 18 and many wont make into 18 due to several factors causing there life expectancy to be low,thats why Merus and Kikuyus have that high registered voters as the demographic is mostly above 18. Actually Meru has the highest life expectancy in Kenya.
Yep. Also because GEMA headcount is dwindling- as they turn the curve they have more adults than kids. Expect them to dominate another 2 or 3 decades. Kalenjin and Somali will dominate in 2060 - when devolution will be 60%. Pundit struggles with this reality.
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Partly true. I have even seen Kalejin chokoras in Nairobi. In the past chokoras in Nairobi were 90% Kikuyu and 10% Luo. Now Kalejins are in the mix.
Not anymore - kalenjin are now hustling - in towns.
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2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.
It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.
Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others
There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to
Nyeri, Muranga, Kirinyaga and Kiambu could be thought of as separate tribes in a federation also. Kikuyus are bunched in a small geographical area while Kalenjins are dispersed. But let not truth get in the way of tribal propaganda.
Kikuyu are only Nyeri, Murang'a, etc internally - to everyone else including Meru they are just Kikuyu. To Kalenjin, Luo, etc they are solid GEMA block. Not even Kirinyaga or Mbeere can cut any deal on their own. I see desperate Pundit inventing "Diaspora GEMA" clan :) - a brand new bridge by the hawker from Nanyuki. Kikuyu alone are in Central proper, Nairobi, Machakos, Kajiado, Narok, Nakuru, Kericho, Uasin Gishu, Laikipia, even Samburu, Lamu, Mombasa. Enough to provoke savages there. Meru are in Isiolo.
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Acadian
What do you smoke? Kikuyus are one monolithic homogeneous tribe. There is a big difference of a tugen and a Nandi. Moi created the kalenjin to compete with kikuyus. Everyone is reacting due to kikuyu numbers domination. This couple with financial muscle kikuyus can rule Kenya till 2060
So why do Kirinyaga want to be out of Kikuyu and join Embu? You have no financial muscle, you have been busy looting the state since independence. Wahindis are the real financial muscle without government patronage or stealing.
If government looting was the source we would have become poorer during moi time
You did become poorer, Kibaki's tenure was when they had to reboot the plunder on grand scale. That was when you the Mwirarias, the Murungarus and the like. Real wealth creation is beyond your scope and probably most mwafrika. Graft, malfeasance, corruption is wealth destruction, robbing Paul to pay Peter scheme.
Yes - Kikuyu are not "an enterprise" but thieves. They are leeches using their numbers to rob other tribes.
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Why are you spreading hatred about a hard working people like Mathira MP, Rigathi Gachagua? :D
Yes - Kikuyu are not "an enterprise" but thieves. They are leeches using their numbers to rob other tribes.
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When did Luos overtake kalenjin and luhya...who died.
Propaganda. What matters is voter turnout. Luhya are the 2nd largest tribe but when it comes out to voting Kambas overtake them .hence the reason Musalia and Mudavadi cant be DP candidates.
Also cohesiveness. Kalenjin and GEMA vote together- Mdvd got 4% Maragoli in 2013 - Bukusu backed Raila. Only Muliro, Shikuku and Wamalwa nearly roped in most Luhya clans. Kombo and Weta are the most useless of the lot - Kombo killed FORD K when he lost most Bukusu to Raila in 2007.
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2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.
It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.
Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others
There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to
Nyeri, Muranga, Kirinyaga and Kiambu could be thought of as separate tribes in a federation also. Kikuyus are bunched in a small geographical area while Kalenjins are dispersed. But let not truth get in the way of tribal propaganda.
Kikuyu are only Nyeri, Murang'a, etc internally - to everyone else including Meru they are just Kikuyu. To Kalenjin, Luo, etc they are solid GEMA block. Not even Kirinyaga or Mbeere can cut any deal on their own. I see desperate Pundit inventing "Diaspora GEMA" clan :) - a brand new bridge by the hawker from Nanyuki. Kikuyu alone are in Central proper, Nairobi, Machakos, Kajiado, Narok, Nakuru, Kericho, Uasin Gishu, Laikipia, even Samburu, Lamu, Mombasa. Enough to provoke savages there. Meru are in Isiolo.
Merus are in Isiolo as its historically been that way part of land lived and CLAIMED by Merus for centuries.Even Mps form Isiolo north used to be Merus before other kabilas ganged up to kick us out. Merus control isiolo town business wise almost exclusively, wabera and burat are exclusive Meru so as the southern parts of town. I know boranas and other kabilas have their own versions, its very contested and thats why isiolo is always unstable, take for instance isiolo airport half in isiolo rest in Meru, 78 batallion etc infact as you enter isiolo coming from Nairobi the east part of town is in Meru county, with conflicts major one being 2015 again samburus, turkanas, somalis, borana ganged up against amerus only KDF stepped in to stop the war from getting out of hand. Where my land is in kambi juu is half meru then rest isiolo.
All said reason am writing is for you NOT to think for a single minute that merus are visitors in Isiolo like the way you saying about kikuyu diaspora. Isiolo to us Merus is just part of our land by birth and inheritance for centuries.
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2009 - Kalenjin were 4.9m - kikuyus 6.6M - 1.7m
2019 - Kalenjin are 6.3m - kikuyus are 8.1 - 1.8m
So Kikuyu population seem to have magically grown - Dr Zach Mwangi and Uhuru cooked census. When Ruto does the 2029 census we will overtake kikuyus.
It obvious 2019 census was cooked when Kikuyus figured out their propaganda about one shilling one vote had no data basis.
Kalenjins have a lot of children that is the only explanation..anyway there is no kaelnjins ..Nandi wako among others
There no tribe called Kalenjin. We have Nandis, Pokot, Tugen etc ,,Kikuyus is the only stand alone tribe that has a massive population that no other tribe will catch up to
Nyeri, Muranga, Kirinyaga and Kiambu could be thought of as separate tribes in a federation also. Kikuyus are bunched in a small geographical area while Kalenjins are dispersed. But let not truth get in the way of tribal propaganda.
Tiga mucene.
Wi na muhahi muingi muno.
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Why are you spreading hatred about a hard working people like Mathira MP, Rigathi Gachagua? :D
Yes - Kikuyu are not "an enterprise" but thieves. They are leeches using their numbers to rob other tribes.
......and other hard workers like Waluke and Wakhungu and Rebecca Nabutola and Peris Simam.
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Tiga mucene.
Wi na muhahi muingi muno.
Tf is he talking about ? Someone translate this vernacular.