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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: KenyanPlato on June 17, 2020, 12:11:41 AM
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I know south African went for TRJC. This didn't reduce hate but at least it created an accounting of it. How in a place like USA do you talk the deplorable racists out of the hate they have? Are there studies that have been done on this? I actually listened a TED talk on sunday on NPR and it was talking of how racism has actually been very costly to America. It is because of Racism that America has not invested in public goods and continues to pursue economic idiotic policies like Redlining. As matter of fact the talk said that without racism sub-prime economic crisis wouldnot have have happened. The sub prime product was designed for POC to harm them economically.
How does a fucked up country like USA get out of this rut?
I do not see USA lasting 50 years in the current state
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I know south African went for TRJC. This didn't reduce hate but at least it created an accounting of it. How in a place like USA do you talk the deplorable racists out of the hate they have? Are there studies that have been done on this? I actually listened a TED talk on sunday on NPR and it was talking of how racism has actually been very costly to America. It is because of Racism that America has not invested in public goods and continues to pursue economic idiotic policies like Redlining. As matter of fact the talk said that without racism sub-prime economic crisis wouldnot have have happened. The sub prime product was designed for POC to harm them economically.
How does a fucked up country like USA get out of this rut?
I do not see USA lasting 50 years in the current state
Quite a bit of the stuff you are mentioning about that TED talk, you can usually infer after a few years in the US. I long ago realized that everything that is controversial in the US but uncontroversial in other first world countries has everything to do with the presence of a large black population. Without blacks, the US would be easily a socialist country along the lines of Scandinavian countries. The working class would have long ensured that without the cleavage of racism to weaken them.
For perspective they have lasted over 200 years with worse conditions for blacks. As bad as it is, it has never been this good for African Americans. The younger generations the millenials will be the straw that breaks the grip of racism. Many of them only fully recall Obama as the other President besides Trump. The contrast is stark.
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It have actually taken me a long time to realize what you stated. You were the first person to make me think about it. It is not common knowledge. The millennial have no power. They may be coopted into the system just to get ahead. Boomers were progressive then old age came around and they joined the rat race. I am afraid the core 39% deplorable wont turn around
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Quite a bit of the stuff you are mentioning about that TED talk, you can usually infer after a few years in the US. I long ago realized that everything that is controversial in the US but uncontroversial in other first world countries has everything to do with the presence of a large black population. Without blacks, the US would be easily a socialist country along the lines of Scandinavian countries. The working class would have long ensured that without the cleavage of racism to weaken them.
For perspective they have lasted over 200 years with worse conditions for blacks. As bad as it is, it has never been this good for African Americans. The younger generations the millenials will be the straw that breaks the grip of racism. Many of them only fully recall Obama as the other President besides Trump. The contrast is stark.
I don't think so. Otherwise states with 100% white populations would be socialist by now. Americans love laissez faire capitalism and minimal government intervention. It has something to do with their history and their make up. Of course some of them don't want socialism to spite the minorities but it is a mistake to characterize Americans' love of libertarianism as primarily a misanthropic impulse.
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which state has 100% pure white?
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Quite a bit of the stuff you are mentioning about that TED talk, you can usually infer after a few years in the US. I long ago realized that everything that is controversial in the US but uncontroversial in other first world countries has everything to do with the presence of a large black population. Without blacks, the US would be easily a socialist country along the lines of Scandinavian countries. The working class would have long ensured that without the cleavage of racism to weaken them.
For perspective they have lasted over 200 years with worse conditions for blacks. As bad as it is, it has never been this good for African Americans. The younger generations the millenials will be the straw that breaks the grip of racism. Many of them only fully recall Obama as the other President besides Trump. The contrast is stark.
I don't think so. Otherwise states with 100% white populations would be socialist by now. Americans love laissez faire capitalism and minimal government intervention. It has something to do with their history and their make up. Of course some of them don't want socialism to spite the minorities but it is a mistake to characterize Americans' love of libertarianism as primarily a misanthropic impulse.
But it is. In fact studies have shown that most Americans have "socialist" impulse. Most Americans support universal healthcare for instance. And other freebies. But they vote for a political class that is diametrically at odds with what they want. A state cannot carry out some of these things by itself, because it will be abused by neighboring states that do not. It's either Federal or nothing. It's a bad time, but I'll share some links when I get a chance.
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Another Gem; i will hopefully read the book. My questions are still unanswered
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which state has 100% pure white?
All those flyover states are effectively 100% jungus.
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But it is. In fact studies have shown that most Americans have "socialist" impulse. Most Americans support universal healthcare for instance. And other freebies. But they vote for a political class that is diametrically at odds with what they want. A state cannot carry out some of these things by itself, because it will be abused by neighboring states that do not. It's either Federal or nothing. It's a bad time, but I'll share some links when I get a chance.
Americans of all ethnic groups despise socialism and welfare dependence. Some of the most ardent believers in the American system are immigrants who came here with nothing and are millionaires. Don't fall for the chattering leftist BS, America is not perfect, corporatism needs to be dealt with for example Amazon should be broken up with anti trust, still, America is the freest large country in terms of commerce. If you are honest and hardworking you can still make something of yourself here. You can't do anything in EU or the fabled Nordic socialist heavens leftist fools like to point to, you will be stuck in the same station all life. Free enterprise, low taxes, and minimal government are what make America what is. Socialism would have made Venezuela rich or France.
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Another Gem; i will hopefully read the book. My questions are still unanswered
What is the best way to talk of a group people out of hate?
The answer is there is no way. None
The only effective remedy for hate is racial separation, which was the norm for millennia until they showed up on our shores and started meddling in our affairs, black Americans will have to eke out a few states in the South.
The solution is global Apartheid.
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which state has 100% pure white?
All those flyover states are effectively 100% jungus.
This is demonstrably not true. In fact the whitest state is Maine, in the North East. Flyover states if by that you mean the mid-west, had a massive influx of Negroes from the south earlier. More recently it's been Hispanic. Some of blackest cities on the continent are in the Midwest.
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But it is. In fact studies have shown that most Americans have "socialist" impulse. Most Americans support universal healthcare for instance. And other freebies. But they vote for a political class that is diametrically at odds with what they want. A state cannot carry out some of these things by itself, because it will be abused by neighboring states that do not. It's either Federal or nothing. It's a bad time, but I'll share some links when I get a chance.
Americans of all ethnic groups despise socialism and welfare dependence. Some of the most ardent believers in the American system are immigrants who came here with nothing and are millionaires. Don't fall for the chattering leftist BS, America is not perfect, corporatism needs to be dealt with for example Amazon should be broken up with anti trust, still, America is the freest large country in terms of commerce. If you are honest and hardworking you can still make something of yourself here. You can't do anything in EU or the fabled Nordic socialist heavens leftist fools like to point to, you will be stuck in the same station all life. Free enterprise, low taxes, and minimal government are what make America what is. Socialism would have made Venezuela rich or France.
You are now sounding like Rush Limbaugh. Let me drop you the link when I can, then we can talk about something with meat on it.
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You are now sounding like Rush Limbaugh. Let me drop you the link when I can, then we can talk about something with meat on it.
It is the truth. I have 4 associates of immigrant background who voted for Trump. They are all business owners. Truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. People instinctively understand which economic policies are conducive to business and which are not. Most of those polled are probably Bernie bros in college or unemployed who don't pay their bills on time.
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But it is. In fact studies have shown that most Americans have "socialist" impulse. Most Americans support universal healthcare for instance. And other freebies. But they vote for a political class that is diametrically at odds with what they want. A state cannot carry out some of these things by itself, because it will be abused by neighboring states that do not. It's either Federal or nothing. It's a bad time, but I'll share some links when I get a chance.
Americans of all ethnic groups despise socialism and welfare dependence. Some of the most ardent believers in the American system are immigrants who came here with nothing and are millionaires. Don't fall for the chattering leftist BS, America is not perfect, corporatism needs to be dealt with for example Amazon should be broken up with anti trust, still, America is the freest large country in terms of commerce. If you are honest and hardworking you can still make something of yourself here. You can't do anything in EU or the fabled Nordic socialist heavens leftist fools like to point to, you will be stuck in the same station all life. Free enterprise, low taxes, and minimal government are what make America what is. Socialism would have made Venezuela rich or France.
You are now sounding like Rush Limbaugh. Let me drop you the link when I can, then we can talk about something with meat on it.
The majority socialist views of voters on individual policies was in fact one of the arguments progressives were making against the establishment narrative that voters wouldn't vote for those policies during the primary. There are NUMEROUS polls that show that most Americans, even most Republicans, support those policies, especially healthcare. I have no idea how they tolerate the cognitive dissonance come voting day but their preferences are very clearly documented by now, in countless polls. The vast majority of Democrats along with a slight majority of Republicans.
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You are now sounding like Rush Limbaugh. Let me drop you the link when I can, then we can talk about something with meat on it.
It is the truth. I have 4 associates of immigrant background who voted for Trump. They are all business owners. Truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. People instinctively understand which economic policies are conducive to business and which are not. Most of those polled are probably Bernie bros in college or unemployed who don't pay their bills on time.
"It is truth!" he says, while comfortably rubbishing numerous polls in favor of anecdotes.
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You are now sounding like Rush Limbaugh. Let me drop you the link when I can, then we can talk about something with meat on it.
It is the truth. I have 4 associates of immigrant background who voted for Trump. They are all business owners. Truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. People instinctively understand which economic policies are conducive to business and which are not. Most of those polled are probably Bernie bros in college or unemployed who don't pay their bills on time.
"It is truth!" he says, while comfortably rubbishing numerous polls in favor of anecdotes.
I know. Arcadian seems intelligent. Which is all the more puzzling. 4 buddies *SMDH*.
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The majority socialist views of voters on individual policies was in fact one of the arguments progressives were making against the establishment narrative that voters wouldn't vote for those policies during the primary. There are NUMEROUS polls that show that most Americans, even most Republicans, support those policies, especially healthcare. I have no idea how they tolerate the cognitive dissonance come voting day but their preferences are very clearly documented by now, in countless polls. The vast majority of Democrats along with a slight majority of Republicans.
Bollocks, they don't support socialized healthcare.
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I know. Arcadian seems intelligent. Which is all the more puzzling. 4 buddies *SMDH*.
I was just using those four people to illustrate my point, there is silent majority of all races that doesn't buy the liberal fluff of free lunch and stuff. You guys would be surprised just how much Americans like the status quo. I was very happy when Biden triumphed over Bernie. Trump folks are deflated now, they badly wanted Bernie because they could hammer him.
American healthcare is fine, they just need to remove employer based health insurance.
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A_D you are a NUT case,, No need to split hairs with that .. Even in Black states only hate exists.. So total separation won't work .. Remember there is no time in recent history that people have not mixed.. Even in East Africa going back to 1600s there was still new races and groups coming in to live and trade
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A_D you are a NUT case,, No need to split hairs with that .. Even in Black states only hate exists.. So total separation won't work .. Remember there is no time in recent history that people have not mixed.. Even in East Africa going back to 1600s there was still new races and groups coming in to live and trade
Bury your head in the sand, see where that takes you.
I always laugh at the anti racism initiatives of European football leagues, it is so hollow and meaningless because they are fighting human nature. Crackers are getting more racist and uppity not less. Same way tribalism is getting worse in Kenya, in the past tribal identity was fluid but now it is fixed, it is so bad the only solution is confederation of tribes ala Switzerland. Hate diminishes when you have a homogeneous society.
Even in East Africa going back to 1600s there was still new races and groups coming in to live and trade
The earliest non black outsiders were the Arab and Portuguese slavers who came to conquer and enslave blacks. See, any time two races meet trouble ensues, struggle for domination and competition for resources.
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A_D you are a NUT case,, No need to split hairs with that .. Even in Black states only hate exists.. So total separation won't work .. Remember there is no time in recent history that people have not mixed.. Even in East Africa going back to 1600s there was still new races and groups coming in to live and trade
Bury your head in the sand, see where that takes you.
I always laugh at the anti racism initiatives of European football leagues, it is so hollow and meaningless because they are fighting human nature. Crackers are getting more racist and uppity not less. Same way tribalism is getting worse in Kenya, in the past tribal identity was fluid but now it is fixed, it is so bad the only solution is confederation of tribes ala Switzerland. Hate diminishes when you have a homogeneous society.
Even in East Africa going back to 1600s there was still new races and groups coming in to live and trade
The earliest non black outsiders were the Arab and Portuguese slavers who came to conquer and enslave blacks. See, any time two races meet trouble ensues, struggle for domination and competition for resources.
I know this is deep belief within ultra conservatives. I hate labels but I remember when I used to subscribe to the economonist this were theories advanced by Conservative Thinkers and scholars. I think Africans are better at multiculturalism. If you think about Kenya you can see most instances we do very well in multiculturalism whenever there is no White power structure creating artificial conflict. I am more convinced that White People are very poor in dealing with Multiculturalism because they lack the experience. Something like the USA institutionalized racism is due to Whites being lazy and lacking imagination. Whites culture has a lot of short-term view and very artificial way to relating to each other. It seems like all the advancements in technology are based on getting ahead now consequences be damned. Look at Bio engineering.. these fuckers would knowingly kill the pillars of an ecosystem so that they can have the best trading company.. No other races behaves like Whites.. what we call daring is some type of cultural stupidity of some sort.. I hope I am making sense.
I think we know that Homogenus societies ships sailed way back in 1650s and wont be back. America idea of melting pot won't happen on terms of everyone becoming White. I am seeing Islands like Britain being overrun by brown people in a matter of years.. France will fall to Africans so it is up to white people to take the intiative now or face a bloody show down.. In USA after this elections and by 2030 it will be game over for Whites..
What I have noticed in my time as a consultant is that Corporate America (CAPITAL) has realized that the future is not with White Power. IT is moving rapidly to bring in New races and gender equality. As matter of fact most of big Banks/ financial institutions are embarking on Salary equalization and disclosure of their pay to women and minorities.. They know that their market depends on this group. America Capital owners know that a weak consumer means their death and so the White Power time is up and is a matter of time of total power loss or a show down that will make Rwanda look like paradise
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I know this is deep belief within ultra conservatives. I hate labels but I remember when I used to subscribe to the economonist this were theories advanced by Conservative Thinkers and scholars. I think Africans are better at multiculturalism. If you think about Kenya you can see most instances we do very well in multiculturalism whenever there is no White power structure creating artificial conflict. I am more convinced that White People are very poor in dealing with Multiculturalism because they lack the experience. Something like the USA institutionalized racism is due to Whites being lazy and lacking imagination. Whites culture has a lot of short-term view and very artificial way to relating to each other. It seems like all the advancements in technology are based on getting ahead now consequences be damned. Look at Bio engineering.. these fuckers would knowingly kill the pillars of an ecosystem so that they can have the best trading company.. No other races behaves like Whites.. what we call daring is some type of cultural stupidity of some sort.. I hope I am making sense.
You absolutely are. We in agreement here. I have quibble about being labeled ultra conservative, I don't believe in labels too.
Your observations on white culture and outlook to life are very astute. I would add East Asians are similarly shallow people who lack nuance and soul.
I think we know that Homogenus societies ships sailed way back in 1650s and wont be back. America idea of melting pot won't happen on terms of everyone becoming White. I am seeing Islands like Britain being overrun by brown people in a matter of years.. France will fall to Africans so it is up to white people to take the intiative now or face a bloody show down.. In USA after this elections and by 2030 it will be game over for Whites..
I remember being told globalization was a fact of life and we must get on with it. Post covid 19, the world looks very different, countries are seriously talking about reshoring, bringing back PPE manufacturing, declaring some industries national security assets such food production, global trade is shrinking, those heady days of global village are truly over. The clamor everywhere is for Nationalism and ethnic puritanism. Which is a paradox because where were are connected than ever, most people on this planet have heard of George Floyd for example. It doesn't make us more accepting of each other, just as 50 years of being kept together in pseudo nation hasn't made Kenyan tribes love each other. It is all moot though, because we only 50 years max of stable climate before all hell breaks loose.
What I have noticed in my time as a consultant is that Corporate America (CAPITAL) has realized that the future is not with White Power. IT is moving rapidly to bring in New races and gender equality. As matter of fact most of big Banks/ financial institutions are embarking on Salary equalization and disclosure of their pay to women and minorities.. They know that their market depends on this group. America Capital owners know that a weak consumer means their death and so the White Power time is up and is a matter of time of total power loss or a show down that will make Rwanda look like paradise
One hopes so.
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Hate is a genetic component of animals based primarily on tangible differences such as species, colour blah blah. There is no walking out of it - maybe moderation and self control.
Even pre slavery and pre colonial mwafrika were killing each other over petty hate differences like lions over water, food, and well women. Our current facade of hospitality is built over violent reinforcement and some carrot rewards based on how we have treated mzungu and now Chinese. On any fair day we would make mince meat out the mzungu in Laikipia ranches or in these hotels just like Mau Mau did. Those who enforce the colonial love are rewarded like Jomo and friends or brutally finished like Kimathi, so we learn to make hospitable choices.
The problem when institutionalised for decades, centuries and generations, the hate becomes embedded as way of life as with religious, racial and tribal hatreds. Even this there is no easy way as reforming institutions to address the hate means more hate.
In those circumstances, first is to appreciate that hate is largely nothing personal and thus take all the safety precautions as systems put in place measures such as police cam. Even such is not a solution as there are always loopholes as the one where a rational police officer stopping another officer from choking will be disciplined.
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I know. Arcadian seems intelligent. Which is all the more puzzling. 4 buddies *SMDH*.
I was just using those four people to illustrate my point, there is silent majority of all races that doesn't buy the liberal fluff of free lunch and stuff.
It's not even silent. Most people, given the option, would rather earn than be given free stuff.
You guys would be surprised just how much Americans like the status quo. I was very happy when Biden triumphed over Bernie. Trump folks are deflated now, they badly wanted Bernie because they could hammer him.
Washington, D.C. — Large majorities of Americans across demographic and partisan lines overwhelmingly reject congressional proposals to cut Medicaid, nutrition assistance, affordable housing, and other programs essential for helping provide basic living standards for low-income families, according to new polling from the Center for American Progress and GBA Strategies.
https://www.americanprogress.org/press/release/2018/02/05/446006/release-new-polling-shows-large-majorities-americans-oppose-congressional-republicans-called-welfare-reform/ (https://www.americanprogress.org/press/release/2018/02/05/446006/release-new-polling-shows-large-majorities-americans-oppose-congressional-republicans-called-welfare-reform/)
American healthcare is fine, they just need to remove employer based health insurance.
It's the most expensive with the worst outcomes in the developed world.
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America healthcare is shit. it is worst system for such a rich country.. The infant mortality is still high because doctors are after money and they can't overcome racial bias to help POC. It is the most fucked up thing I have ever seen. Medicare is used by rich people as a piggybank to steal from. The amount of sleeze that is in Medicare mind boggling. Americans are too greedy to really do healthcare right
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America healthcare is shit. it is worst system for such a rich country.. The infant mortality is still high because doctors are after money and they can't overcome racial bias to help POC. It is the most fucked up thing I have ever seen. Medicare is used by rich people as a piggybank to steal from. The amount of sleeze that is in Medicare mind boggling. Americans are too greedy to really do healthcare right
I gave up trying to understand the behemoth. It's almost like you need a degree in accounting to just start wrapping your head around it. There are entire industries whose sole existence is because of health as a commodity and they have nothing to do with actual provision of health. You are right, the corporate greed and welfare is beyond the pale.
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America healthcare is shit. it is worst system for such a rich country.. The infant mortality is still high because doctors are after money and they can't overcome racial bias to help POC. It is the most fucked up thing I have ever seen. Medicare is used by rich people as a piggybank to steal from. The amount of sleeze that is in Medicare mind boggling. Americans are too greedy to really do healthcare right
I will agree that minorities are still shafted in healthcare, comes back to my point about racial separation. Btw don't use POC, it is an archaic useless term coined by white supremacists. That said the problem with American healthcare is bad tax incentives in healthcare. American healthcare is not a s bad as it is painted. Folks just regurgitating talking points, we are here and it is cheap by comparison to other countries with no waiting lists or rationing.
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I gave up trying to understand the behemoth. It's almost like you need a degree in accounting to just start wrapping your head around it. There are entire industries whose sole existence is because of health as a commodity and they have nothing to do with actual provision of health. You are right, the corporate greed and welfare is beyond the pale.
Bitmask, I implore you to read this article before you give up. It will change your whole outlook on this subject. A bit lengthy but well worth the read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/what-health-care-needs-real-consumers-and-dynamic-competition/264026/
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America healthcare is shit. it is worst system for such a rich country.. The infant mortality is still high because doctors are after money and they can't overcome racial bias to help POC. It is the most fucked up thing I have ever seen. Medicare is used by rich people as a piggybank to steal from. The amount of sleeze that is in Medicare mind boggling. Americans are too greedy to really do healthcare right
I will agree that minorities are still shafted in healthcare, comes back to my point about racial separation. Btw don't use POC, it is an archaic useless term coined by white supremacists. That said the problem with American healthcare is bad tax incentives in healthcare. American healthcare is not a s bad as it is painted. Folks just regurgitating talking points, we are here and it is cheap by comparison to other countries with no waiting lists or rationing.
Covid 19 is a pointer of how shitty the system is..I have been in healthcare from the floor to boardroom. I know my way around the system. Even before a hand is laid on you by a doctor you fate is determined by a some accounting wonk and statistician. Healthcare in usa is like military. You remove state and federal govt the pile of fraud collapses. You just have to work in the industry especially in compliance, finance to understand this thing..do you know doctors have one of the toughest lobbyists. Do you know the take the biggest chunck of medicare dollars. Then you have pharmacies ..they are nothing but glorified money laundering machines for phamarcetical companies
If you manted 5 million dollars and be able to get it and flee.. Open a ghetto pharmacy look for Aids patients. You could compete with mafias on how big money make. If you go to ghettos you see west africans with a pharmacy kiosk. Those are money makers. They do this for 5 years and skip town at night
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I gave up trying to understand the behemoth. It's almost like you need a degree in accounting to just start wrapping your head around it. There are entire industries whose sole existence is because of health as a commodity and they have nothing to do with actual provision of health. You are right, the corporate greed and welfare is beyond the pale.
Bitmask, I implore you to read this article before you give up. It will change your whole outlook on this subject. A bit lengthy but well worth the read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/what-health-care-needs-real-consumers-and-dynamic-competition/264026/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/what-health-care-needs-real-consumers-and-dynamic-competition/264026/)
Thanks for the interesting read. The Cheesecake Factory analogy actually confirms what I think is at the core of America's healthcare problems. Healthcare as a commodity.
Too much of the cost(Kenyanplato might know the details better) goes to administration and feeding the insurance beasts than to the actual provision of healthcare. The insurance companies are in it to maximize profit and if that means placing(cost mediated as opposed to health) limits on the care you can receive they will. Making the actual health processes more efficient probably doesn't make a dent in this reality.
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Bitmask, I implore you to read this article before you give up. It will change your whole outlook on this subject. A bit lengthy but well worth the read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/what-health-care-needs-real-consumers-and-dynamic-competition/264026/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/what-health-care-needs-real-consumers-and-dynamic-competition/264026/)
Thanks for the interesting read. The Cheesecake Factory analogy actually confirms what I think is at the core of America's healthcare problems. Healthcare as a commodity.
Too much of the cost(Kenyanplato might know the details better) goes to administration and feeding the insurance beasts than to the actual provision of healthcare. The insurance companies are in it to maximize profit and if that means placing(cost mediated as opposed to health) limits on the care you can receive they will. Making the actual health processes more efficient probably doesn't make a dent in this reality.
I don't think you comprehended the article otherwise you won't be asking these questions. Some people want to have their one payer system through the government all evidence be damned I guess. Ideology is bad thing when it stands in the way of common sense solutions.
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Bitmask, I implore you to read this article before you give up. It will change your whole outlook on this subject. A bit lengthy but well worth the read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/what-health-care-needs-real-consumers-and-dynamic-competition/264026/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/what-health-care-needs-real-consumers-and-dynamic-competition/264026/)
Thanks for the interesting read. The Cheesecake Factory analogy actually confirms what I think is at the core of America's healthcare problems. Healthcare as a commodity.
Too much of the cost(Kenyanplato might know the details better) goes to administration and feeding the insurance beasts than to the actual provision of healthcare. The insurance companies are in it to maximize profit and if that means placing(cost mediated as opposed to health) limits on the care you can receive they will. Making the actual health processes more efficient probably doesn't make a dent in this reality.
I don't think you comprehended the article otherwise you won't be asking these questions. Some people want to have their one payer system through the government all evidence be damned I guess. Ideology is bad thing when it stands in the way of common sense solutions.
If I recall correctly the author sees healthcare purely as a business. He even uses the Cheesecake Factory as an useful analogue. To him it boils down to poor management, rather than a problem with the system itself. Is that close to how you understand it? If not, what do you think the guy is saying?
What's the evidence that is damned against government involvement in healthcare? Don't most OECD countries with a larger government presence have better health outcomes than the US?
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Bitmask, I implore you to read this article before you give up. It will change your whole outlook on this subject. A bit lengthy but well worth the read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/what-health-care-needs-real-consumers-and-dynamic-competition/264026/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/what-health-care-needs-real-consumers-and-dynamic-competition/264026/)
Thanks for the interesting read. The Cheesecake Factory analogy actually confirms what I think is at the core of America's healthcare problems. Healthcare as a commodity.
Too much of the cost(Kenyanplato might know the details better) goes to administration and feeding the insurance beasts than to the actual provision of healthcare. The insurance companies are in it to maximize profit and if that means placing(cost mediated as opposed to health) limits on the care you can receive they will. Making the actual health processes more efficient probably doesn't make a dent in this reality.
I don't think you comprehended the article otherwise you won't be asking these questions. Some people want to have their one payer system through the government all evidence be damned I guess. Ideology is bad thing when it stands in the way of common sense solutions.
If I recall correctly the author sees healthcare purely as a business. He even uses the Cheesecake Factory as an useful analogue. To him it boils down to poor management, rather than a problem with the system itself. Is that close to how you understand it? If not, what do you think the guy is saying?
What's the evidence that is damned against government involvement in healthcare? Don't most OECD countries with a larger government presence have better health outcomes than the US?
Oops! I actually wanted you to read his other article, not this one. Read this article which addresses all your questions.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/09/how-american-health-care-killed-my-father/307617/
If you are a fan of government run healthcare or employer based insurance, read at your own peril.