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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Nefertiti on June 12, 2020, 09:28:36 AM
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https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001374724/uhuru-reclaims-central-through-raila
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He can reclaim all the elites but kwa ground vitu ni different.
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Pundit, you remember a few weeks ago when Senate capitulated completely and bent the knee to Kamwana? I told you MPs and County Reps would do the same, and you said, nah, coz elected vs nominated. BBI is easy peasy after that, then the "ground" right on cue. In fact, Ruto is no martyr. He'll soon figure out he's better off supporting Kamwana and regrouping for baadaye. He won't suffer for anyone.
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The issue has been simple from day one. What is the endgame? If you think GEMA can vote for Raila; then I have a bridge I can sell to you. When rational GEMA including these intimidated leaders do the calculation- they come to the same conclusion - it's better to support Ruto than Raila.
I can understand Uhuru and his elite trying to win back gema by misusing Raila - but I don't buy Raila is part of any of their big plans.
And I have yet another bridge to sell - BBI - that Uhuru will turn from being the almost unchallenged dictator to become Raila mtu wa Mkono :)
Maybe Omwenga at star is right - if you really love Uhuru - give him 3rd term
https://www.the-star.co.ke/siasa/2020-06-12-why-uhuru-needs-a-third-term-in-office/
Pundit, you remember a few weeks ago when Senate capitulated completely and bent the knee to Kamwana? I told you MPs and County Reps would do the same, and you said, nah, coz elected vs nominated. BBI is easy peasy after that, then the "ground" right on cue. In fact, Ruto is no martyr. He'll soon figure out he's better off supporting Kamwana and regrouping for baadaye. He won't suffer for anyone.
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The issue has been simple from day one. What is the endgame? If you think GEMA can vote for Raila; then I have a bridge I can sell to you. When rational GEMA including these intimidated leaders do the calculation- they come to the same conclusion - it's better to support Ruto than Raila.
Pundit, you remember a few weeks ago when Senate capitulated completely and bent the knee to Kamwana? I told you MPs and County Reps would do the same, and you said, nah, coz elected vs nominated. BBI is easy peasy after that, then the "ground" right on cue. In fact, Ruto is no martyr. He'll soon figure out he's better off supporting Kamwana and regrouping for baadaye. He won't suffer for anyone.
If it's so simple, why do all your predictions keep falling flat, from Senate, now Parliament? You just keep pushing the goalposts back each time. Soon there may be no more room to move back to. It'll be the edge of the planet. If BBI goes through, GEMA will be voting their own, as usual, not Raira or Ruto.
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Maybe because my big prediction that Raila is getting used has not fallen flat :)
There are things that I don't buy
1) That Uhuru and GEMA will turn 360 degrees and hand over power to Raila - just because they don't like Ruto :)
2) That Uhuru who is commander in chief and almost a king now - will turn 360 degrees and go back to be a prime minister of Raila gov..a glorified Duale diving jives from likes of Babu Owino :) - and saluting Raila as Your H.E, the commander in Chief of all armed forces...bla bla. It doesn't make SENSE.
Now the way I see - and I use LOGICS ONLY.
1) GEMA goes with Ruto - and secure their 50%. This is their best deal.
2) GEMA goes Pajero way - try to get one of their own - and cobble another coalition.
3) GEMA back someone who is neither Ruto nor Raila - because they fear the two - sort of Kibaki idea of maDVD or Kalonzo or even useless Gideon.
If it's so simple, why do all your predictions keep falling flat, from Senate, now Parliament? You just keep pushing the goalposts back each time. Soon there be no more room to move to. If BBI goes through, GEMA will be voting their own, as usual, not Raira or Ruto.
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Maybe because my big prediction that Raila is getting used has not fallen flat :)
If it's so simple, why do all your predictions keep falling flat, from Senate, now Parliament? You just keep pushing the goalposts back each time. Soon there be no more room to move to. If BBI goes through, GEMA will be voting their own, as usual, not Raira or Ruto.
So all the other failed predictions don't ping you that the assumptions in your model may be off somewhere?
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I don't worry about small variables. I predicted UhuRuto way back in 2008! Ask Pajero here. I could see it making all senses. Unless Uhuru has gone mad like Garvli claim - I will predict his moves using rationality and logic.
So all the other failed predictions don't ping you that the assumptions in your model may be off somewhere?
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I don't worry about small variables. I predicted UhuRuto way back in 2008! Ask Pajero here. I could see it making all senses. Unless Uhuru has gone mad like Garvli claim - I will predict his moves using rationality and logic.
So all the other failed predictions don't ping you that the assumptions in your model may be off somewhere?
But you've been wrong every step of the way since 2017. Surely that calls for some humility and re-evaluation and updating to your models?
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Please share that thesis on this research. Anyway your stories about Ruto heroics real and imagined are numerous. They go poof! everyday you are now a joke like Miguna or Prof Makau Mutua. Making ridiculous claims all over
The issue has been simple from day one. What is the endgame? If you think GEMA can vote for Raila; then I have a bridge I can sell to you. When rational GEMA including these intimidated leaders do the calculation- they come to the same conclusion - it's better to support Ruto than Raila.
I can understand Uhuru and his elite trying to win back gema by misusing Raila - but I don't buy Raila is part of any of their big plans.
And I have yet another bridge to sell - BBI - that Uhuru will turn from being the almost unchallenged dictator to become Raila mtu wa Mkono :)
Maybe Omwenga at star is right - if you really love Uhuru - give him 3rd term
https://www.the-star.co.ke/siasa/2020-06-12-why-uhuru-needs-a-third-term-in-office/
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My model is okay, and so i my humility, and when I get it wrong, I will readily admit it. Nothing has changed. There is high drama but nothing has really changed.
But you've been wrong every step of the way since 2017. Surely that calls for some humility and re-evaluation and updating to your models?
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https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001374724/uhuru-reclaims-central-through-raila
There Goes Gideon Mois Media company trying to create a narrative . Uhuru is a foregone issue in Mt Kenya
Based on past experience once Mt Kenya decided you are not wanted any more even after being the Kingpin -Its a done deal - Example is Matiba in 92 vS Matiba in 97 and 2007
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If you are waiting for me to leave all my reasoning and say GEMA will support Raila in BBI arrangement - then that won't happen - until it become a reality. Don't hold you breathe. It simply doesn't make any sense to me.
Please that thesis on this research. Anyway your stories about Ruto heroics real and imagined are numerous. They go poof! everyday you are now a joke like Miguna or Prof Makau Mutua. Making ridiculous claims all over
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The issue has been simple from day one. What is the endgame? If you think GEMA can vote for Raila; then I have a bridge I can sell to you. When rational GEMA including these intimidated leaders do the calculation- they come to the same conclusion - it's better to support Ruto than Raila.
Pundit, you remember a few weeks ago when Senate capitulated completely and bent the knee to Kamwana? I told you MPs and County Reps would do the same, and you said, nah, coz elected vs nominated. BBI is easy peasy after that, then the "ground" right on cue. In fact, Ruto is no martyr. He'll soon figure out he's better off supporting Kamwana and regrouping for baadaye. He won't suffer for anyone.
If it's so simple, why do all your predictions keep falling flat, from Senate, now Parliament? You just keep pushing the goalposts back each time. Soon there may be no more room to move back to. It'll be the edge of the planet. If BBI goes through, GEMA will be voting their own, as usual, not Raira or Ruto.
8) 8) 8) We were constantly reminded Ruto controlled everything including Jubilee Party. A few days before the purge Ruto himself called a presser and claimed they discuss GoK with Uhuru daily. They were merely social distancing... cause No 1 & 2 cannot travel together in wartime :D Tangatanga is one big propaganda machine.
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He can reclaim all the elites but kwa ground vitu ni different.
The elites are good at changing goal posts ask Njenga Karume , Stanley Githunguri and actually Uhuru himself circa 2007
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URP-TNA coalition ended in 2016 and from then Uhuru became THE president. Ruto ceased being a co-president. That you are now realizing it now is amazing :). Ruto took that gamble because he wanted to strongly couple with GEMA and make it very hard for TNA to just pull out of a coalition like they would have done - and to get an entry into GEMA - and I think that was working. Maybe there are doubts nows.
Uhuru doesn't need to consult Ruto about anything - he is president in single party - and Ruto is DPORK - and Ruto has said that as much. Previously he had to consult because TNA and URP were coalition partners
8) 8) 8) We were constantly reminded Ruto controlled everything including Jubilee Party. A few days before the purge Ruto himself called a presser and claimed they discuss GoK with Uhuru daily. They were merely social distancing... cause No 1 & 2 cannot travel together in wartime :D Tangatanga is one big propaganda machine.
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If it's so simple, why do all your predictions keep falling flat, from Senate, now Parliament? You just keep pushing the goalposts back each time. Soon there may be no more room to move back to. It'll be the edge of the planet. If BBI goes through, GEMA will be voting their own, as usual, not Raira or Ruto.
8) 8) 8) We were constantly reminded Ruto controlled everything including Jubilee Party. A few days before the purge Ruto himself called a presser and claimed they discuss GoK with Uhuru daily. They were merely social distancing... cause No 1 & 2 cannot travel together in wartime :D Tangatanga is one big propaganda machine.
Pundit is an African man. Sometimes they'd rather die be4 admitting to have been wrong. When Ruto himself bends the knee, Pundit will say he knew he would do it all along.
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No, you ODMers don't just like the truth I dish, that is why you're all over attempting to railroad me to say GEMA will endorse Raila for his final run as PORK. Something that I know is impossible scenario.
I accept to be wrong but wake me up around 2022 when I will be doing MOASS - and I will tell you months before it - who will win it.
Pundit is an African man. Sometimes they'd rather die be4 admitting to have been wrong. When Ruto himself bends the knee, Pundit will say he knew he would do it all along.
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Your claims about Ruto's stranglehold on JP, Parliament and now "ground" you been making 2018 to now. Until Uhurutopia imploded few weeks ago you claimed the civil war was a charade to string Raila. It is your spin and tail-chasing I am mocking.
URP-TNA coalition ended in 2016 and from then Uhuru became THE president. Ruto ceased being a co-president. That you are now realizing it now is amazing :). Ruto took that gamble because he wanted to strongly couple with GEMA and make it very hard for TNA to just pull out of a coalition like they would have done - and to get an entry into GEMA - and I think that was working. Maybe there are doubts nows.
Uhuru doesn't need to consult Ruto about anything - he is president in single party - and Ruto is DPORK - and Ruto has said that as much. Previously he had to consult because TNA and URP were coalition partners
8) 8) 8) We were constantly reminded Ruto controlled everything including Jubilee Party. A few days before the purge Ruto himself called a presser and claimed they discuss GoK with Uhuru daily. They were merely social distancing... cause No 1 & 2 cannot travel together in wartime :D Tangatanga is one big propaganda machine.
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From mid-2021 is when elite will be going to the ground and will listen to the ground. All Ruto needs to do is survive one more year and don't commit silly mistakes like Raila normally does. He needs to control the likes of Sudis who can provide fodder for his enemies.
Politics is a brutal game - one mistake and you could be down and out.
The elites are good at changing goal posts ask Njenga Karume , Stanley Githunguri and actually Uhuru himself circa 2007
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This is the new laughable nonsense that will implode as all the others before.
He can reclaim all the elites but kwa ground vitu ni different.
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No, you ODMers don't just like the truth I dish, that is why you're all over attempting to railroad me to say GEMA will endorse Raila for his final run as PORK. Something that I know is an impossible scenario.
I haven't railroaded u, bwana. I have asked why you keep hitting misses so consistently: From Langata by-election mpaka now, Robina has been running circles around you in .ke politics, so I'm just concluding your models are not as good as they used to be, even if I accept they were accurate be4.
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Uhuru took over jubilee through sheer forces - illegalities - starting from Jubilee NMC - creating coalitions with KANU - and name it. Ruto saw it not worth the fight. Let him have those positions - and he still will struggle because he doesn't have real support of parliament and the ground.
ODM are helping Uhuru - and without that help - Ruto would make a mincemeat of Uhuru.
But because Ruto figures out Uhuru is playing Raila - why waste bullets.
Your claims about Ruto's stranglehold on JP, Parliament and now "ground" you been making 2018 to now. Until Uhurutopia imploded few weeks ago you claimed the civil war was a charade to string Raila. It is your spin and tail-chasing I am mocking.
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More power to Robina. He is winning the battles like Raila but as always will lose the war. Focus yourself on the war.
I haven't railroaded u, bwana. I have asked why you keep hitting misses so consistently: From Langata by-election mpaka now, Robina has been running circles around you in .ke politics, so I'm just concluding your models are not as good as they used to be, even if I accept they were accurate be4.
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:D The only one being played is Ruto. Spin has a limit my fren. You can't blame Jezebel and Kibicho for the floods then act surprised by the ruthless machinery. It a well known factor like money, tribe, turnout. Unless, of course, you are fake pundit.
Uhuru took over jubilee through sheer forces - illegalities - starting from Jubilee NMC - creating coalitions with KANU - and name it. Ruto saw it not worth the fight. Let him have those positions - and he still will struggle because he doesn't have real support of parliament and the ground.
ODM are helping Uhuru - and without that help - Ruto would make a mincemeat of Uhuru.
But because Ruto figures out Uhuru is playing Raila - why waste bullets.
Your claims about Ruto's stranglehold on JP, Parliament and now "ground" you been making 2018 to now. Until Uhurutopia imploded few weeks ago you claimed the civil war was a charade to string Raila. It is your spin and tail-chasing I am mocking.
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If one was to ask the most basic question, "how would raira help Uhuru reclaim central" these newspapers are good for wrapping nyama just like the addict said. Very stupid reasoning. Its like Uhuru helping raira reclaim luo vote. Daft!
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Pundito,you need to take some leave coz at this rate you will go mad.You have been peddling theories here since 2013 left,right and centre.You even claimed Uhuru will step down for Ruto 3 months prior to 2022 elections.All your predictions are falling flat.The only consistent theory you have is GEMA will never support Raila.
Fast foward,we are in 2020 Uhuru is showing no sign of tosharing Ruto,he has frustrated Ruto left ,right, centre,he has been chased out of mombasa official residence,his lietanants removed from key party positions,mau evictions,kibichos,murathes,gitaus used to undermine him,roles transferred to matiangi,budget slashed,executive order on precidency and many more.Yet you still believe that Uhuru and by extension gema will support Ruto.What is soo hard for you and kalenjins to believe that you have been played big time,not once,not twice.Pick up the pieces and accept reality.
on to Raila,i still insist that Uhuru nor gema have no good plans for him just as they dont have for Ruto.But unlike Ruto and kalenjins,Raila and his luos do not loose anything because after all kikuyus have never supported him,if anything he stands to gain much from a divided jubilee.Besides Raila has his political bases intact,vis nyanza,western,nairobi and coast.Raila interest here is to divide jubilee and ensure Kalenjin wing of jubilee Ruto goes south,while kikuyu wing goes north.
Now back to Ruto,he needs uhuru and jubilee more than uhuru needs him.Thats a plain fact.Dont tell us about ground,Kenya poltics is tribal and it will never change with Ruto.Gema will go with Uhuru,take that to bank.For now Ruto has no party,he will be forced to defect with his kalenjin wing to revive URP of another outfit may be jubilee kenya,jubilee Eldoret or asili,i dont care.thats already a blow to his ambitions,he will be playing catch up with Raila and Uhuru.You dont form a party 5 months to elections and expect to win.
Ruto thinks Raila is the enemy but i disagree,he needs to look at the bigger picture,he is fighting an imaginary enemy,his enemy no 1 is Uhuru and gema.he should focus his lenses beyond Raila.
Digest.
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Only that Raila plan is so transparent it laughable. You can only execute a trojan horse once. When Raila think he is done imploding Jubilee - Jubilee will meet one afternoon - and declare the hostilities ceased - and Ruto endorsed.
If not - then like you say - Raila will win. But does GEMA want Raila to win? No. Does Ruto want Raila to win? No.
Are Jubilee differences irreconcilable? I don't think so.
So anyway let start with plausible scenarios.
1) Raila splits Jubilee into two - We have 3 horse fight - btw Gema, Raila, and Ruto.
2) Jubilee ceases hostilities - endorse Ruto - and goes on to win.
Pundito,you need to take some leave coz at this rate you will go mad.You have been peddling theories here since 2013 left,right and centre.You even claimed Uhuru will step down for Ruto 3 months prior to 2022 elections.All your predictions are falling flat.The only consistent theory you have is GEMA will never support Raila.
Fast foward,we are in 2020 Uhuru is showing no sign of tosharing Ruto,he has frustrated Ruto left ,right, centre,he has been chased out of mombasa official residence,his lietanants removed from key party positions,mau evictions,kibichos,murathes,gitaus used to undermine him,roles transferred to matiangi,budget slashed,executive order on precidency and many more.Yet you still believe that Uhuru and by extension gema will support Ruto.What is soo hard for you and kalenjins to believe that you have been played big time,not once,not twice.Pick up the pieces and accept reality.
on to Raila,i still insist that Uhuru nor gema have no good plans for him just as they dont have for Ruto.But unlike Ruto and kalenjins,Raila and his luos do not loose anything because after all kikuyus have never supported him,if anything he stands to gain much from a divided jubilee.Besides Raila has his political bases intact,vis nyanza,western,nairobi and coast.Raila interest here is to divide jubilee and ensure Kalenjin wing of jubilee Ruto goes south,while kikuyu wing goes north.
Now back to Ruto,he needs uhuru and jubilee more than uhuru needs him.Thats a plain fact.Dont tell us about ground,Kenya poltics is tribal and it will never change with Ruto.Gema will go with Uhuru,take that to bank.For now Ruto has no party,he will be forced to defect with his kalenjin wing to revive URP of another outfit may be jubilee kenya,jubilee Eldoret or asili,i dont care.thats already a blow to his ambitions,he will be playing catch up with Raila and Uhuru.You dont form a party 5 months to elections and expect to win.
Ruto thinks Raila is the enemy but i disagree,he needs to look at the bigger picture,he is fighting an imaginary enemy,his enemy no 1 is Uhuru and gema.he should focus his lenses beyond Raila.
Digest.
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If one was to ask the most basic question, "how would raira help Uhuru reclaim central" these newspapers are good for wrapping nyama just like the addict said. Very stupid reasoning. Its like Uhuru helping raira reclaim luo vote. Daft!
That's a literal statement - as in Raila is acting as a go-between or soft landing for defecting GEMA - meeting them at the fake AU office. Obviously Warugurus are not joining Raila but re-joining Uhuru.
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If one was to ask the most basic question, "how would raira help Uhuru reclaim central" these newspapers are good for wrapping nyama just like the addict said. Very stupid reasoning. Its like Uhuru helping raira reclaim luo vote. Daft!
That's a literal statement - as in Raila is acting as a go-between or soft landing for defecting GEMA - meeting them at the fake AU office. Obviously Warugurus are not joining Raila but re-joining Uhuru.
Raira has begun repeating same mistakes he did previously... And Uhuru is very happy. Why not let addict deal with his problems, i see tears very soon for baba. Tuju should be doing dirty work for wanjohi not baba.
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Y'all waking up to Baghdad bob fake punditry littered with URP propaganda. Only good for entertainment value. Grandeur delusion. Man down. Man on the ground. Ruto strategy lay low for 1 year and run down the clock. Who does that when scud missiles are raining down ?
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Ruto's strategy to lie low is the best option and most logical of all steps he could take. I have stated before that Ruto WAS NOT COMPETING WITH UHURU. So when Uhuru comes from woodwork intoxicated with not retiring, it got a lot of people off guards. If Ruto complains or try to assert himself then he gives Uhuru nuts justifications to keep attacking him.
Take it to the bank; ONLY envisaged constitutional changes can delay Ruto as 5th President or Death. Right now, you give him anybody including Raila and Uhuru he will beat them at the polls. Period.
All claims here that Raila has "non-Gema" is overhyped hopes. He cannot get Eastern without Kalonzo/Mutua/Ngilu factors. Somalis are HUGELY pro-Ruto. Luhya as usual will give Ruto like 30% (depending), Maasai's are pro-Ruto. Turkanas are pro-Ruto. Raila is guranteed Nyanza/Western 70%. Coast he gets majority but Coast is so low in population that it doesn't have huge impact except for MPs/Senators factor. That takes like the "majority of non-Gemas"... Now ADD RV numbers and Mt. Kenya behemoth and Ruto has no competitor. He's competing to outlast Uhuru's madness/dictatorship which for now BEST medicine is silence; that's all.
Y'all waking up to Baghdad bob fake punditry littered with URP propaganda. Only good for entertainment value. Grandeur delusion. Man down. Man on the ground. Ruto strategy lay low for 1 year and run down the clock. Who does that when scud missiles are raining down ?
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If one was to ask the most basic question, "how would raira help Uhuru reclaim central" these newspapers are good for wrapping nyama just like the addict said. Very stupid reasoning. Its like Uhuru helping raira reclaim luo vote. Daft!
That's a literal statement - as in Raila is acting as a go-between or soft landing for defecting GEMA - meeting them at the fake AU office. Obviously Warugurus are not joining Raila but re-joining Uhuru.
Raira has begun repeating same mistakes he did previously... And Uhuru is very happy. Why not let addict deal with his problems, i see tears very soon for baba. Tuju should be doing dirty work for wanjohi not baba.
Baba is not so naive as desperate clocking 80. Having been near-executive PM he has only one ambition left - to be on the portraits. So he has literally nothing to lose and won't experiment like Ruto. Even the 2010 greed of giving up parliamentary is gone. He is ready to be ceremonial and let Uhuru 2.0 in as Exec PM. I don't see big chance of betrayal when he is already giving up CEO powers for figurehead.
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Nobody will buy that ceremonial thing Robina.Unless Constitution is overhauled to parliamentary system the president remains very powerful.Raila strategy to keep Uhuru longer in power will collapse because Uhuru is smarter than that that..
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Ruto's strategy to lie low is the best option and most logical of all steps he could take. I have stated before that Ruto WAS NOT COMPETING WITH UHURU. So when Uhuru comes from woodwork intoxicated with not retiring, it got a lot of people off guards. If Ruto complains or try to assert himself then he gives Uhuru nuts justifications to keep attacking him.
Take it to the bank; ONLY envisaged constitutional changes can delay Ruto as 5th President or Death. Right now, you give him anybody including Raila and Uhuru he will beat them at the polls. Period.
All claims here that Raila has "non-Gema" is overhyped hopes. He cannot get Eastern without Kalonzo/Mutua/Ngilu factors. Somalis are HUGELY pro-Ruto. Luhya as usual will give Ruto like 30% (depending), Maasai's are pro-Ruto. Turkanas are pro-Ruto. Raila is guranteed Nyanza/Western 70%. Coast he gets majority but Coast is so low in population that it doesn't have huge impact except for MPs/Senators factor. That takes like the "majority of non-Gemas"... Now ADD RV numbers and Mt. Kenya behemoth and Ruto has no competitor. He's competing to outlast Uhuru's madness/dictatorship which for now BEST medicine is silence; that's all.
Y'all waking up to Baghdad bob fake punditry littered with URP propaganda. Only good for entertainment value. Grandeur delusion. Man down. Man on the ground. Ruto strategy lay low for 1 year and run down the clock. Who does that when scud missiles are raining down ?
Yes Ruto lay low strategy deflated Uhuru.I don't see Uhuru sharing power now that he has Jubilee majority.Ruto needs to play dumb for the next 1yr unless BBI is really provocative.Come mid 2021 Wanjohi will naturally be lameduck.
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Well conjecture vs news as usual. Uhuru is perceiving a "constitutional moment" - it's on YouTube :) - Raila and ODM dream day and night about referendum. What evidence backs your take - referendum budget?
Nobody will buy that ceremonial thing Robina.Unless Constitution is overhauled to parliamentary system the president remains very powerful.Raila strategy to keep Uhuru longer in power will collapse because Uhuru is smarter than that that..
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No thanks - this I cannot even take to the local Ajua down the street.
Ruto's strategy to lie low is the best option and most logical of all steps he could take. I have stated before that Ruto WAS NOT COMPETING WITH UHURU. So when Uhuru comes from woodwork intoxicated with not retiring, it got a lot of people off guards. If Ruto complains or try to assert himself then he gives Uhuru nuts justifications to keep attacking him.
Take it to the bank; ONLY envisaged constitutional changes can delay Ruto as 5th President or Death. Right now, you give him anybody including Raila and Uhuru he will beat them at the polls. Period.
Raila has non-GEMA is not hype - he has polled highly among the for 10yr+ - even the 44% vs 53 Uhuruto is bulk non-GEMA-RV votes. You can argue Kalonzo and Weta-Mdvd but that depends on where they go, no?
UKAMBANI for instance Raila has the 3 governors going by Kibra. They delivered Kamba to Imra as wishy-washy Kalonzo backed Prezzo- then Butichi- then Mariga :)
LUHYA Raila bagged 95% 2017. He is destabilizing Mdvd and Weta because he is going with GEMA partner so he needs Luhya divided - that way he gets the most spoils. Raila has fierce anti-Ruto Luhyas mbutas - Oparanya, Atwoli, Eugene, Malala, Wangamati, Khaemba, etc. Ruto diehards are pawns - Khalwale, Waluke, Washiali. He just lost Echesa - I suspect Khalwale will be the next Judas to stab him in the back.
GUSII was split about 50-50 Uhuruto-Raila - but we know Ruto has no following there. Cause he has warrior issues akin to Uhuru coast land problem. Unless Ruto pulls a Matiang'i or such rabbit he is DOA.
NFD is arguable but with their pro-incumbent DNA and Ali Robas defecting Ruto is in trouble. More trouble with Borana, Samburu with Koreres, Yattanis. NFD is dicey and hard nut for Ruto with loss of incumbency. If Duale decamps it will be the last stroke.
MAA the ground was pro-Ruto before BBI and Mau. Then Tunai and Lenku decamped. Kina, Tobiko lit up Mau. The Kipsigis-Maa simmering and fermented tensions are the worst. on't hold your breath.
TURKANA - if Ruto keeps Nanok, Munyes, Ethuro he can nick it. Tough luck - Nanok has been lying low like an envelope - Munyes is CS so cannot back him - Ethuro is MIA.
In short Ruto is not doing well in Mijikenda, Gusii, Luhya (3) and is struggling in Matusa, NFD (2). Kamba is up in the air but Raila has the upper hand cause of Ngilus. That 3 blocks strongly pro-Raila. 2 blocks 50-50. One is open. Zero blocks strongly pro-Ruto.
So you see it fair to say Raila has non-GEMA, no?
MT KENYA... ha! The trend of course is a nighmare scenario for Ruto. Raila is backed by Gema king as the pawns desert Ruto - in a long file - you know the litany. The only "ground" we can point to is thuraku on social media - not looking good for your Ruto. Sorry I don't how "silence" is the best medicine. I know you don't agree - despite that I have evidence - maybe let time settle this for us?
All claims here that Raila has "non-Gema" is overhyped hopes. He cannot get Eastern without Kalonzo/Mutua/Ngilu factors. Somalis are HUGELY pro-Ruto. Luhya as usual will give Ruto like 30% (depending), Maasai's are pro-Ruto. Turkanas are pro-Ruto. Raila is guranteed Nyanza/Western 70%. Coast he gets majority but Coast is so low in population that it doesn't have huge impact except for MPs/Senators factor. That takes like the "majority of non-Gemas"... Now ADD RV numbers and Mt. Kenya behemoth and Ruto has no competitor. He's competing to outlast Uhuru's madness/dictatorship which for now BEST medicine is silence; that's all.
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And am FIRMLY SAYING THIS; NO ONE CAN BEAT RUTO SHOULD KATIBA BE AS IT IS. PERIOD. All (secret) Opinion polls plus intelligence report have come to that undeniable conclusion. ONLY RAILA can give him competition BUT has no chance of prevailing over Ruto. Even with meaningless Uhuru Meta Meta Endorsement Raila doesn't beat Ruto. Hence the "real fear" of some Uhuru Nuts that "left alone haka kamtu katachukua..."
NB: We don't mind for Kalonzo to get DP with Ruto and that would FINISH any chance Raila may think he has.
And you agree that Raila is only guaranteed FULL SUPPORT in Nyanza/Western. And to a degree Coast. The rest Ruto Rules. You can argue whatever but that is the way it is. Ruto can even give Raila 100% of Nyanza (but Kisiis will give Ruto 40%) and Western (but Ruto can get 30%) BUT STILL HE BEATS RAILA OR ANYONE ELSE.
Only salvation for you and Raila team are CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGES.
NB: FOR MT. KENYA; Don't even argue anything here. Believe what you want and analyse till cows home. Nothing will change facts; Even regular Sub-Chiefs and Chiefs reports from locations across Mt. Kenya emphatically report that people have not warmed up to BBI or to proposed or intended constitutional changes. For Presidential consideration after Uhuru, Ruto is OVERWHELMINGLY PREFERRED. If you have contacts at Interior or other place they have access to such reports they will CONFIRM THAT. Na sisi tuko ground pia....
No thanks - this I cannot even take to the local Ajua down the street.
Ruto's strategy to lie low is the best option and most logical of all steps he could take. I have stated before that Ruto WAS NOT COMPETING WITH UHURU. So when Uhuru comes from woodwork intoxicated with not retiring, it got a lot of people off guards. If Ruto complains or try to assert himself then he gives Uhuru nuts justifications to keep attacking him.
Take it to the bank; ONLY envisaged constitutional changes can delay Ruto as 5th President or Death. Right now, you give him anybody including Raila and Uhuru he will beat them at the polls. Period.
Raila has non-GEMA is not hype - he has polled highly among the for 10yr+ - even the 44% vs 53 Uhuruto is bulk non-GEMA-RV votes. You can argue Kalonzo and Weta-Mdvd but that depends on where they go, no?
UKAMBANI for instance Raila has the 3 governors going by Kibra. They delivered Kamba to Imra as wishy-washy Kalonzo backed Prezzo- then Butichi- then Mariga :)
LUHYA Raila bagged 95% 2017. He is destabilizing Mdvd and Weta because he is going with GEMA partner so he needs Luhya divided - that way he gets the most spoils. Raila has fierce anti-Ruto Luhyas mbutas - Oparanya, Atwoli, Eugene, Malala, Wangamati, Khaemba, etc. Ruto diehards are pawns - Khalwale, Waluke, Washiali. He just lost Echesa - I suspect Khalwale will be the next Judas to stab him in the back.
GUSII was split about 50-50 Uhuruto-Raila - but we know Ruto has no following there. Cause he has warrior issues akin to Uhuru coast land problem. Unless Ruto pulls a Matiang'i or such rabbit he is DOA.
NFD is arguable but with their pro-incumbent DNA and Ali Robas defecting Ruto is in trouble. More trouble with Borana, Samburu with Koreres, Yattanis. NFD is dicey and hard nut for Ruto with loss of incumbency. If Duale decamps it will be the last stroke.
MAA the ground was pro-Ruto before BBI and Mau. Then Tunai and Lenku decamped. Kina, Tobiko lit up Mau. The Kipsigis-Maa simmering and fermented tensions are the worst. on't hold your breath.
TURKANA - if Ruto keeps Nanok, Munyes, Ethuro he can nick it. Tough luck - Nanok has been lying low like an envelope - Munyes is CS so cannot back him - Ethuro is MIA.
In short Ruto is not doing well in Mijikenda, Gusii, Luhya (3) and is struggling in Matusa, NFD (2). Kamba is up in the air but Raila has the upper hand cause of Ngilus. That 3 blocks strongly pro-Raila. 2 blocks 50-50. One is open. Zero blocks strongly pro-Ruto.
So you see it fair to say Raila has non-GEMA, no?
MT KENYA... ha! The trend of course is a nighmare scenario for Ruto. Raila is backed by Gema king as the pawns desert Ruto - in a long file - you know the litany. The only "ground" we can point to is thuraku on social media - not looking good for your Ruto. Sorry I don't how "silence" is the best medicine. I know you don't agree - despite that I have evidence - maybe let time settle this for us?
All claims here that Raila has "non-Gema" is overhyped hopes. He cannot get Eastern without Kalonzo/Mutua/Ngilu factors. Somalis are HUGELY pro-Ruto. Luhya as usual will give Ruto like 30% (depending), Maasai's are pro-Ruto. Turkanas are pro-Ruto. Raila is guranteed Nyanza/Western 70%. Coast he gets majority but Coast is so low in population that it doesn't have huge impact except for MPs/Senators factor. That takes like the "majority of non-Gemas"... Now ADD RV numbers and Mt. Kenya behemoth and Ruto has no competitor. He's competing to outlast Uhuru's madness/dictatorship which for now BEST medicine is silence; that's all.
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Ceremonial President and Executive PM is how it started and it is how it's still being framed/phrased. But there is more to it..
Consider this: They amend constitution and have a one term President of 7 years. The President is ceremonial (in the sense that has "reduced powers"). The PM is elected based on numbers of MPs and Senators (so both houses). Uhuru becomes President under one-term of 7years and Raila get PM to run government. Gideon/Kalonzo either deputise President or the PM. With Mudavadi given some prominent role like second deputy PM in charge of Treasury, Planning, Industrialization, IT ministries under him.
Legal Justification for Uhuru to be one term President is based on Moi Ruling when he amended Section 2A of the old constitution and managed to rule for another 10years. Remember under the current constitution they inserted a specific clause to deny Kibaki from playing that game. So Kibaki could not argue that he was eligible to "restart" his Presidential bid. And that clause applied SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT SPECIFIC MOMENT so Uhuru is free to argue. With Raila political backing, Uhuru has muzzled Senate, National Assembly and now hammer is falling on the Judiciary.
My point is this; UHURU HAS ALL INTENT OF EXTENDING HIS STAY IN POWER. It looks logically insane, but from all that is out there i know he's damn serious. There are 3 versions of expected constitutional changes in limited circulation/consultations. Haji and his group of Wazees are just waiting to be handed the preferable version and publish it.
Nobody will buy that ceremonial thing Robina.Unless Constitution is overhauled to parliamentary system the president remains very powerful.Raila strategy to keep Uhuru longer in power will collapse because Uhuru is smarter than that that..
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Hahaha let us deal with what is in the news or past elections - or reliable opinion polls - not what Philip Kameru whispered to Garliv over beer. Hearsay about "ground" is not useful without an objective source.
Let us try a small one: who supports Ruto in Gusii? So he can bag 40%. As at now - Raila has all the big kahuna: both governors, both senators, I believe all MPs. The other factor is Matiang'i who of course is Hanshake. Why exactly would Ruto bag 30% - because he is a performer?
Let us settle Gusii then go to Luhya - and establish Ruto vs Raila numbers.
And am FIRMLY SAYING THIS; NO ONE CAN BEAT RUTO SHOULD KATIBA BE AS IT IS. PERIOD. All (secret) Opinion polls plus intelligence report have come to that undeniable conclusion. ONLY RAILA can give him competition BUT has no chance of prevailing over Ruto. Even with meaningless Uhuru Meta Meta Endorsement Raila doesn't beat Ruto. Hence the "real fear" of some Uhuru Nuts that "left alone haka kamtu katachukua..."
NB: We don't mind for Kalonzo to get DP with Ruto and that would FINISH any chance Raila may think he has.
And you agree that Raila is only guaranteed FULL SUPPORT in Nyanza/Western. And to a degree Coast. The rest Ruto Rules. You can argue whatever but that is the way it is. Ruto can even give Raila 100% of Nyanza (but Kisiis will give Ruto 40%) and Western (but Ruto can get 30%) BUT STILL HE BEATS RAILA OR ANYONE ELSE.
Only salvation for you and Raila team are CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGES.
NB: FOR MT. KENYA; Don't even argue anything here. Believe what you want and analyse till cows home. Nothing will change facts; Even regular Sub-Chiefs and Chiefs reports from locations across Mt. Kenya emphatically report that people have not warmed up to BBI or to proposed or intended constitutional changes. For Presidential consideration after Uhuru, Ruto is OVERWHELMINGLY PREFERRED. If you have contacts at Interior or other place they have access to such reports they will CONFIRM THAT. Na sisi tuko ground pia....
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Garlic, those ideas are too smart to be executed.Lets wait for BBI 2.0.I don't think Uhuru top priority is to stay in power like Musebeni
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Garlic, those ideas are too smart to be executed.Lets wait for BBI 2.0.I don't think Uhuru top priority is to stay in power like Musebeni
I mentioned it in one of these platforms that after 2017 elections Railas only goal was to correct the mistake he made in 2010 by backing the constituion .Its a known fact that Ruto Kalonzo and Uhuru had ganged up as KKK against Raila during Naivasha talks to remove the PM in proposed constituion and expected Raila to oppose it. To their suprise Raila did an about turn and started supporting it hence KKK became the opposers . It was only after Kibaki managed to whip them actuslly he threatened to fire them that they changed their minds and supported hence the name watermelon was coined for Uhuru and Kalonzo.
Raila had resigned to the idea that his calling post 2017 was only amending constituion by hook or crook to include a powerful Prime Minister
Uhuru even after handshake was captured even saying there is no need to amend the constituion its commo knowledge he changed his mimd by realising he will be the first President finishing his two terms without leaving a legacy and in comparison with what Kibaki did including reviving the economy building infastructure and promulgation of 2010 constituion .e.t.c. Uhuru has decided to take the opportunity presented by handshake to make structural changes in Constituion atleast he will leave woth something (a legacy) What he doesnt know is that there are good and bad legacies. The direction he has taken he will end up writing a meimor regretting the decisions he took or listened to in his 2nd term.
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Uhuru had a solid legacy if he had finished the journey with Jubilee 1.0 foundation.
But somewhere along the line - he dumped Jubilee manifesto - and embraced new ideas Big 4, fighting corruption and handshake (BBI).
Now after COVID-19 - we can confidently predict Big 4 is gone, anti-graft war long-stalled with unhappy judiciary (key component of that fight), and now changing constitution is very dicey.
First spending 20-30B to finance a referendum when COVID-19 has made the economy so gloomy is moronic.
If he is serious that changes in the constitution are not major - then he needs to include it with the 2022 election.
Anyway they have about 15 days to unveil the draft.
I mentioned it in one of these platforms that after 2017 elections Railas only goal was to correct the mistake he made in 2010 by backing the constituion .Its a known fact that Ruto Kalonzo and Uhuru had ganged up as KKK against Raila during Naivasha talks to remove the PM in proposed constituion and expected Raila to oppose it. To their suprise Raila did an about turn and started supporting it hence KKK became the opposers . It was only after Kibaki managed to whip them actuslly he threatened to fire them that they changed their minds and supported hence the name watermelon was coined for Uhuru and Kalonzo.
Raila had resigned to the idea that his calling post 2017 was only amending constituion by hook or crook to include a powerful Prime Minister
Uhuru even after handshake was captured even saying there is no need to amend the constituion its commo knowledge he changed his mimd by realising he will be the first President finishing his two terms without leaving a legacy and in comparison with what Kibaki did including reviving the economy building infastructure and promulgation of 2010 constituion .e.t.c. Uhuru has decided to take the opportunity presented by handshake to make structural changes in Constituion atleast he will leave woth something (a legacy) What he doesnt know is that there are good and bad legacies. The direction he has taken he will end up writing a meimor regretting the decisions he took or listened to in his 2nd term.
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You don't get it Pundito my brother, the country was falling apart at the seams. He had good intelligence both local and international that Ouruto was unsustainable. It was hard for him too to believe in the beginning but the evidence was overwhelming. If he did not do that handshake, his legacy would have been a civil war. There is noway half of this counry was going to accept Ruto. There was not going to be an election in 2022 even if Ouru endorsed Ruto. Handshake saved this country my friends. Stop cheap arm chair politicking for a change and look at the reality.
Uhuru had a solid legacy if he had finished the journey with Jubilee 1.0 foundation.
But somewhere along the line - he dumped Jubilee manifesto - and embraced new ideas Big 4, fighting corruption and handshake (BBI).
Now after COVID-19 - we can confidently predict Big 4 is gone, anti-graft war long-stalled with unhappy judiciary (key component of that fight), and now changing constitution is very dicey.
First spending 20-30B to finance a referendum when COVID-19 has made the economy so gloomy is moronic.
If he is serious that changes in the constitution are not major - then he needs to include it with the 2022 election.
Anyway they have about 15 days to unveil the draft.
I mentioned it in one of these platforms that after 2017 elections Railas only goal was to correct the mistake he made in 2010 by backing the constituion .Its a known fact that Ruto Kalonzo and Uhuru had ganged up as KKK against Raila during Naivasha talks to remove the PM in proposed constituion and expected Raila to oppose it. To their suprise Raila did an about turn and started supporting it hence KKK became the opposers . It was only after Kibaki managed to whip them actuslly he threatened to fire them that they changed their minds and supported hence the name watermelon was coined for Uhuru and Kalonzo.
Raila had resigned to the idea that his calling post 2017 was only amending constituion by hook or crook to include a powerful Prime Minister
Uhuru even after handshake was captured even saying there is no need to amend the constituion its commo knowledge he changed his mimd by realising he will be the first President finishing his two terms without leaving a legacy and in comparison with what Kibaki did including reviving the economy building infastructure and promulgation of 2010 constituion .e.t.c. Uhuru has decided to take the opportunity presented by handshake to make structural changes in Constituion atleast he will leave woth something (a legacy) What he doesnt know is that there are good and bad legacies. The direction he has taken he will end up writing a meimor regretting the decisions he took or listened to in his 2nd term.
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You don't get it Pundito my brother, the country was falling apart at the seams. He had good intelligence both local and international that Ouruto was unsustainable. It was hard for him too to believe in the beginning but the evidence was overwhelming. If he did not do that handshake, his legacy would have been a civil war. There is noway half of this counry was going to accept Ruto. There was not going to be an election in 2022 even if Ouru endorsed Ruto. Handshake saved this country my friends. Stop cheap arm chair politicking for a change and look at the reality.
Uhuru had a solid legacy if he had finished the journey with Jubilee 1.0 foundation.
But somewhere along the line - he dumped Jubilee manifesto - and embraced new ideas Big 4, fighting corruption and handshake (BBI).
Now after COVID-19 - we can confidently predict Big 4 is gone, anti-graft war long-stalled with unhappy judiciary (key component of that fight), and now changing constitution is very dicey.
First spending 20-30B to finance a referendum when COVID-19 has made the economy so gloomy is moronic.
If he is serious that changes in the constitution are not major - then he needs to include it with the 2022 election.
Anyway they have about 15 days to unveil the draft.
I mentioned it in one of these platforms that after 2017 elections Railas only goal was to correct the mistake he made in 2010 by backing the constituion .Its a known fact that Ruto Kalonzo and Uhuru had ganged up as KKK against Raila during Naivasha talks to remove the PM in proposed constituion and expected Raila to oppose it. To their suprise Raila did an about turn and started supporting it hence KKK became the opposers . It was only after Kibaki managed to whip them actuslly he threatened to fire them that they changed their minds and supported hence the name watermelon was coined for Uhuru and Kalonzo.
Raila had resigned to the idea that his calling post 2017 was only amending constituion by hook or crook to include a powerful Prime Minister
Uhuru even after handshake was captured even saying there is no need to amend the constituion its commo knowledge he changed his mimd by realising he will be the first President finishing his two terms without leaving a legacy and in comparison with what Kibaki did including reviving the economy building infastructure and promulgation of 2010 constituion .e.t.c. Uhuru has decided to take the opportunity presented by handshake to make structural changes in Constituion atleast he will leave woth something (a legacy) What he doesnt know is that there are good and bad legacies. The direction he has taken he will end up writing a meimor regretting the decisions he took or listened to in his 2nd term.
He is still stuck at MOAS. That ship sailed. in politics it is about interests. The west and GEMA interests are for a united Kenya. There is no two ways about it. Since there cann't be credible elections for PORK in Kenya the two groups have settled on a negotiated power sharing. It is in this backdrop that Ruto had to be dropped.
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office.They saw it all in 2007 when Ruto was young man.You want to provoke a war then cry icc like it will bring back lives and properties lost.Kikuyus have told Uhuru to jump into lake Victoria alone..they are aware that consequences of betraying Ruto would be so long lasting they will lose rift valley
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid
How is RV your land? How so? How comes you never been able to evict the multinationals that have all the prime land? The battle against Kales will have to be fought one and it cannot be delayed for ever. May be making Macbangi a PM may be of use in this war. if anything the incentive to kick out kikuyus from land would be better than Ruto winning
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid
How is RV your land? How so? How comes you never been able to evict the multinationals that have all the prime land? The battle against Kales will have to be fought one and it cannot be delayed for ever. May be making Macbangi a PM may be of use in this war. if anything the incentive to kick out kikuyus from land would be better than Ruto winning
Ask any kisii if they have an inch of land in kipsigis or maasai land..the best they did was nyachae farm in nakuru..which they lost.. And are in slums.kalenjin are dynamo.. prepare to host a million of your diaspora.Kisiis are angry and defeated..you will join them if you're not careful
.Be happy that your own are in rv..dont start.. because the day the war cry is sounded.. everything changes in a newyork minute.I will be required to cook food for the warriors and keep my mouth shut shut..even elders shut up because kalenjin warriors run the show..
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come 2022 .
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come 2022 .
This is not about Peasants.. This about rich and elites.
Peasants will wait for direction and they will take the direction that is decided for them
GEMA oligarchs are playing their cards through Uhuru
Western Alliance are playing theirs through Raila, Mudavadi
Kamba thru Kalonzo
Coast thru Joho
One thing for sure is that Kalenjins want their land back and they will get it one way of the other.. GEMA oligarchs can allow. I think it will be in the long term interests of Kikuyu oligarchs to let all Kikuyus in RV relocate to Central.. We can urbanize and industrialize quickly using this dispossessed labor. By t.. We he way few rich Kikuyus reinvest in RV enclaves that kalenjins are majority so the loss of 2007 wont be likely repeated ..the kikuyu peasant will return to RV during peacetime to extract and runaway during elections
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come 2022 .
I am political pundit.Why would you think.i do threats.I am helping you understand all scenarios.My own kids are half gema
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come 2022 .
This is not about Peasants.. This about rich and elites.
Peasants will wait for direction and they will take the direction that is decided for them
GEMA oligarchs are playing their cards through Uhuru
Western Alliance are playing theirs through Raila, Mudavadi
Kamba thru Kalonzo
Coast thru Joho
One thing for sure is that Kalenjins want their land back and they will get it one way of the other.. GEMA oligarchs can allow. I think it will be in the long term interests of Kikuyu oligarchs to let all Kikuyus in RV relocate to Central.. We can urbanize and industrialize quickly using this dispossessed labor. By t.. We he way few rich Kikuyus reinvest in RV enclaves that kalenjins are majority so the loss of 2007 wont be likely repeated ..the kikuyu peasant will return to RV during peacetime to extract and runaway during elections
Unlike Nyanza where Railas family controls the masses .In Mt Kenya thats not the case - Take for example 92 Elections the Mt Kenya Oligarx were vouching for Kibaki only for the masses to vote for Matiba , In 2002 The Mt Kenya Oligarx were vauching for Uhuru only for the masses to vote Kibaki and in 2013 The oilgarx were vauching for Mudavadi only for the masses to vote for Uhuru. From this example you can clearly see on both sides when the oligarx sponsored Kibaki and Uhuru the Mt Kenya masses voted for a different candidate . In the occasion when the masses voted for them it was not because Mt Kenya masses had an agenda in 2002 to defeat Moi and anybody who had Mois support and and in 2013 To ensure Raila doesnt get power - On the last bit the mission is still on .
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come 2022 .
I am political pundit.Why would you think.i do threats.I am helping you understand all scenarios.My own kids are half gema
Its evident you are getting emotional over Uhurus support of BBI/Handshake - Relax - In 2010 during Referendum campaigns Ruto and Uhuru parted ways albeit for a short period . By Ruto opposing the constitution and making him the supreme leader of Riftvalley made Jubilee win 2013 elections and now by Uhuru making the blunders he is doing has made Mt Kenya identify with Ruto and he is the President in waiting .
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come 2022 .
This is not about Peasants.. This about rich and elites.
Peasants will wait for direction and they will take the direction that is decided for them
GEMA oligarchs are playing their cards through Uhuru
Western Alliance are playing theirs through Raila, Mudavadi
Kamba thru Kalonzo
Coast thru Joho
One thing for sure is that Kalenjins want their land back and they will get it one way of the other.. GEMA oligarchs can allow. I think it will be in the long term interests of Kikuyu oligarchs to let all Kikuyus in RV relocate to Central.. We can urbanize and industrialize quickly using this dispossessed labor. By t.. We he way few rich Kikuyus reinvest in RV enclaves that kalenjins are majority so the loss of 2007 wont be likely repeated ..the kikuyu peasant will return to RV during peacetime to extract and runaway during elections
Unlike Nyanza where Railas family controls the masses .In Mt Kenya thats not the case - Take for example 92 Elections the Mt Kenya Oligarx were vouching for Kibaki only for the masses to vote for Matiba , In 2002 The Mt Kenya Oligarx were vauching for Uhuru only for the masses to vote Kibaki and in 2013 The oilgarx were vauching for Mudavadi only for the masses to vote for Uhuru. From this example you can clearly see on both sides when the oligarx sponsored Kibaki and Uhuru the Mt Kenya masses voted for a different candidate . In the occasion when the masses voted for them it was not because Mt Kenya masses had an agenda in 2002 to defeat Moi and anybody who had Mois support and and in 2013 To ensure Raila doesnt get power - On the last bit the mission is still on .
Lol - Matiba was an Oligarch. He had to Marry Musa Gitau Daughter to be accepted in Kiambu Oligarchy. He actually Literally Got married by Musa Gitau, he left his birth place and moved to Kiambu..
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Rift Valley is a shithole a powderkeg i wont even waste a second to think if i was given even freeland. Kikuyus honestly messed up by settling there. But punda even kalenjins were foolish to let that happen. You can't do muchnow. You would have done the following but too late
https://www.google.com/search?q=being+kikuyu+in+meru&oq=being+kikuyu+in+meru
Kikuyus used to boast how kalenjins, masaai are dumb people that's how they bought land but mjinga akielevuka....
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come 2022 .
I am political pundit.Why would you think.i do threats.I am helping you understand all scenarios.My own kids are half gema
Its evident you are getting emotional over Uhurus support of BBI/Handshake - Relax - In 2010 during Referendum campaigns Ruto and Uhuru parted ways albeit for a short period . By Ruto opposing the constitution and making him the supreme leader of Riftvalley made Jubilee win 2013 elections and now by Uhuru making the blunders he is doing has made Mt Kenya identify with Ruto and he is the President in waiting .
You clearly don't know me
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come 2022 .
This is not about Peasants.. This about rich and elites.
Peasants will wait for direction and they will take the direction that is decided for them
GEMA oligarchs are playing their cards through Uhuru
Western Alliance are playing theirs through Raila, Mudavadi
Kamba thru Kalonzo
Coast thru Joho
One thing for sure is that Kalenjins want their land back and they will get it one way of the other.. GEMA oligarchs can allow. I think it will be in the long term interests of Kikuyu oligarchs to let all Kikuyus in RV relocate to Central.. We can urbanize and industrialize quickly using this dispossessed labor. By t.. We he way few rich Kikuyus reinvest in RV enclaves that kalenjins are majority so the loss of 2007 wont be likely repeated ..the kikuyu peasant will return to RV during peacetime to extract and runaway during elections
Unlike Nyanza where Railas family controls the masses .In Mt Kenya thats not the case - Take for example 92 Elections the Mt Kenya Oligarx were vouching for Kibaki only for the masses to vote for Matiba , In 2002 The Mt Kenya Oligarx were vauching for Uhuru only for the masses to vote Kibaki and in 2013 The oilgarx were vauching for Mudavadi only for the masses to vote for Uhuru. From this example you can clearly see on both sides when the oligarx sponsored Kibaki and Uhuru the Mt Kenya masses voted for a different candidate . In the occasion when the masses voted for them it was not because Mt Kenya masses had an agenda in 2002 to defeat Moi and anybody who had Mois support and and in 2013 To ensure Raila doesnt get power - On the last bit the mission is still on .
Lol - Matiba was an Oligarch. He had to Marry Musa Gitau Daughter to be accepted in Kiambu Oligarchy. He actually Literally Got married by Musa Gitau, he left his birth place and moved to Kiambu..
we were taught by Dr Getao..that biatch was nasty..the grand daughter of Musa gitau..her father was Alexander gitau the last Kenyatta statehouse comptroller.She acted like she was white or something.She was extremely smart.Now she is ict authority chair.She taught us automata but she is pretty nasty if you dare mess with her.The matiba were close to them
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Found her http://icta.go.ke/board_member/dr-katherine-getao-ebs/
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matiba was an arrogant arsehole too,, My friend was heighbor and he tells me Matiba never ever acknowledged the locals. He was bitter for being forced to marry into the family just be a Kenyatta arse kisser. I think Matiba Wife is a very humble person. She way have taken after her Mum.. Those Kiuyus like Musa Gitau that embrace whiteman were usually born Narcisists like Njonjos, that why they wanted to be different to create clout
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They are humble on the outside - that Dr Getao (Gitau) - was evil - if you dare challenged her. They acted like Njonjo -like Brits. Edith Matiba was siter to Alexander Gitau. They may pretend to be humble and sophisticated until you dare them...and they will skin you alive.
Their demeanor was to act like they were nothing African - Getao could only befriend with white lecturers. I thinks she still unmarried. She definitely cannot date African man.
These are people who got so messed up with whites they thought they were also white.
matiba was an arrogant arsehole too,, My friend was heighbor and he tells me Matiba never ever acknowledged the locals. He was bitter for being forced to marry into the family just be a Kenyatta arse kisser. I think Matiba Wife is a very humble person. She way have taken after her Mum.. Those Kiuyus like Musa Gitau that embrace whiteman were usually born Narcisists like Njonjos, that why they wanted to be different to create clout
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lol that explains Matiba Wife. Yeah that group of Kikuyus is very bad especially if they have a little bit of power. What happens is that locals know them and make sure they never get anywhere near power. That what happened to Kenyatta, he was coopted by this group and they captured him and he could never get away.. Someone like Ndegwa i was told by a man that worked for him that he behaved like a oligarch. anytime he went to his rural home he ordered a big tent to be pitched for him to camp there.. I meet this kind of kiuyus all the time and you cannot really take that narcissism out of them
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You can tell that for the clout matiba has he rarely made any impact in Kiambu because the Gitau's couldn't allow it. He was only able to help his kiharu people because there he had networks that could reach out for him to help.
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The interesting part - I met someone who had worked with Magana Mugiai (Kenyatta nephew dude with flower farm in limur) - and he told me they are nice. But I think nice in British colonial senses. These are like South African coconut.
They are like Uhuru - pretend white kind of sophistry - but if need a mungiki - for them they are used to immunity - you cannot do anything to them. But they are brought in white bubble of international schools and universities abroad....but they know they can shiet on you without consequences.
White kind of privilege.
lol that explains Matiba Wife. Yeah that group of Kikuyus is very bad especially if they have a little bit of power. What happens is that locals know them and make sure they never get anywhere near power. That what happened to Kenyatta, he was coopted by this group and they captured him and he could never get away.. Someone like Ndegwa i was told by a man that worked for him that he behaved like a oligarch. anytime he went to his rural home he ordered a big tent to be pitched for him to camp there.. I meet this kind of kiuyus all the time and you cannot really take that narcissism out of them
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One thing is if you meet this kind, they want to know family to determine if you in the club or not. The kenyattas due to Ngina are a toxic lot, Uhuru is only that he is a born like that a happy go lucky guy. However, one thing ngina did was to make them hate all Gatundu people. In their office if you do something stupid they ask you "why are you behaving like an idiot from ichaweri" . Ngina was chief Muhoho daughter so she is similar to Musa Gitau kids. Very rotten group of people, they think have that kind of privilege and immunity that they can do anything
Even uhuru kids have picked this tabia and they will be the worst. I have seen media reports of them shutting down hotels so that they can have an exclusive access. they think they are some type of Royalty in Kenya
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I saw in it Dr Getao. My first sem. She gave us an exam that was clearly impossible. Before that she had addressed as director of Institute of Computer Science. She said our As were nothing. Were would soon get Es. She said she knew all our lifes we had gotten As..and now it was time to bring some humility to our lives.
I never took it seriously...until that exam.
My meru friend though had been informed by 4th year about her games..so I was warned. She use to write Flakes on Saturaday Nation and came from Musa Gitau family - and Edith Matiba was their aunt - and their dad had been Kenyatta statehouse comprtoller. I had no idea who Musa Gitau was - I think I had heard of primary. That guy was connected with opposition politics. He was my roommat. Anyway long sad story - we go to exams - Automata 101 - and exam is craziest I have seen in my life. The Gusii guy - crazy dude from Alliance High- walk out almost immediately- after writting his name.Dr Getao gave him 39.5%. So the guy could go and pleade for 0.5%. Everyone else passed by some miracles. I swear I wrote nothing :)
I was so disappointed. For me the University of Nairobi was the citadel of education. I had in two years prepared by reading widely. I definitely though integrity would be given. Our education was secondary - our role was to evict Moi and all retrogressive forces.
And here were being confronted by Musa Gitau home guard sophisticated granddaughter...and we were powerless.
One thing is if you meet this kind, they want to know family to determine if you in the club or not. The kenyattas due to Ngina are a toxic lot, Uhuru is only that he is a born like that a happy go lucky guy. However, one thing ngina did was to make them hate all Gatundu people. In their office if you do something stupid they ask you "why are you behaving like an idiot from ichaweri" . Ngina was chief Muhoho daughter so she is similar to Musa Gitau kids. Very rotten group of people, they think have that kind of privilege and immunity that they can do anything
Even uhuru kids have picked this tabia and they will be the worst. I have seen media reports of them shutting down hotels so that they can have an exclusive access. they think they are some type of Royalty in Kenya
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come 2022 .
I am political pundit.Why would you think.i do threats.I am helping you understand all scenarios.My own kids are half gema
Its evident you are getting emotional over Uhurus support of BBI/Handshake - Relax - In 2010 during Referendum campaigns Ruto and Uhuru parted ways albeit for a short period . By Ruto opposing the constitution and making him the supreme leader of Riftvalley made Jubilee win 2013 elections and now by Uhuru making the blunders he is doing has made Mt Kenya identify with Ruto and he is the President in waiting .
You clearly don't know me
Going with latest post you are writing its evident you want a certain group of people harmed if Uhuru betrays Ruto. Ruto is in a good place and will be fine whatever the case and actually based on 2002 and 2013 election experience support by incumbent is not good at all. Uhuru and Ruto having being on that side in 2002 when Moi supported Uhuru and tjem being good learners I dont think they will make the same mistake.
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You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come 2022 .
This is not about Peasants.. This about rich and elites.
Peasants will wait for direction and they will take the direction that is decided for them
GEMA oligarchs are playing their cards through Uhuru
Western Alliance are playing theirs through Raila, Mudavadi
Kamba thru Kalonzo
Coast thru Joho
One thing for sure is that Kalenjins want their land back and they will get it one way of the other.. GEMA oligarchs can allow. I think it will be in the long term interests of Kikuyu oligarchs to let all Kikuyus in RV relocate to Central.. We can urbanize and industrialize quickly using this dispossessed labor. By t.. We he way few rich Kikuyus reinvest in RV enclaves that kalenjins are majority so the loss of 2007 wont be likely repeated ..the kikuyu peasant will return to RV during peacetime to extract and runaway during elections
Unlike Nyanza where Railas family controls the masses .In Mt Kenya thats not the case - Take for example 92 Elections the Mt Kenya Oligarx were vouching for Kibaki only for the masses to vote for Matiba , In 2002 The Mt Kenya Oligarx were vauching for Uhuru only for the masses to vote Kibaki and in 2013 The oilgarx were vauching for Mudavadi only for the masses to vote for Uhuru. From this example you can clearly see on both sides when the oligarx sponsored Kibaki and Uhuru the Mt Kenya masses voted for a different candidate . In the occasion when the masses voted for them it was not because Mt Kenya masses had an agenda in 2002 to defeat Moi and anybody who had Mois support and and in 2013 To ensure Raila doesnt get power - On the last bit the mission is still on .
Lol - Matiba was an Oligarch. He had to Marry Musa Gitau Daughter to be accepted in Kiambu Oligarchy. He actually Literally Got married by Musa Gitau, he left his birth place and moved to Kiambu..
All major politicians are oligarchs if you understand the meaning of oligarch from Raila to Uhuru to Ruto. That being said my point was that Mt Kenya people decide their kingpin on their own . The times oligarchy tried to install a kingpin on them they always vote for another one with valid reasons not because of being told elect this one.
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Predicting that something could happen is not wanting. What we know for sure is any serious fallout btw Kalenjin and Kikuyus will be settled in the usual manner.
Going with latest post you are writing its evident you want a certain group of people harmed if Uhuru betrays Ruto. Ruto is in a good place and will be fine whatever the case and actually based on 2002 and 2013 election experience support by incumbent is not good at all. Uhuru and Ruto having being on that side in 2002 when Moi supported Uhuru and tjem being good learners I dont think they will make the same mistake.
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Nowayah
You really under estimate the power these families. You can see how unknown family like musa gitau can influence even academics. They mould and determine who joins their class.
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Predicting that something could happen is not wanting. What we know for sure is any serious fallout btw Kalenjin and Kikuyus will be settled in the usual manner.
Going with latest post you are writing its evident you want a certain group of people harmed if Uhuru betrays Ruto. Ruto is in a good place and will be fine whatever the case and actually based on 2002 and 2013 election experience support by incumbent is not good at all. Uhuru and Ruto having being on that side in 2002 when Moi supported Uhuru and tjem being good learners I dont think they will make the same mistake.
I think the 2 people who have unified Rift Valley and Mt Kenya is Uhuru and Ruto . Uhuru being the common factor Lets give ceedit where it deserves all the time Uhuru ran for presidency 2002 ,2013 & 2017 Rift valley have voted him to the man and all these times Ruto has been on his side.
I dont think Uhuru and Ruto are that naive after all the gains to create an atmosphere which might lead to violence in those 2 communities and specifiacally speaking with Ruto just a step away from state house cant afford to let that happen. You have seen how he has managed the ambush of his foot soldiers . If you have carefully followed Rutos political journey the only time he seemed to have been cornered was in 2007 elections when he wanted Kalonzo to vie for ODMs post instead of Raila and by 2009 he had managed to wrestle Rift Valley from Raila actually he managed even to make Rift Valley forgive and support Kibaki and vice versa to Raila. I told you before Ruto has more support from Mt Kenya than Rift Valley .
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Nowayah
You really under estimate the power these families. You can see how unknown family like musa gitau can influence even academics. They mould and determine who joins their class.
Im just showcasing how these families so called influence is limited to their circles when ot comes to real elections. The only time they benefir is if the masses identify and makes one of them a kingpin.
In 2013 Uhuru was so scared that he decided it fit to leave the mantle to Mudavadi. When he was on the mission of selling Mudavadi to Mt Kenya through Radio shows , he was told by the callers that they were ready to go to opposition if thats what it takes for him to fight out with Raila.
The so called families had settled for Mudavadi the masses wanted Uhuru and Ruto.
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We said it a long time ago that Ouru will dump Ruto. When Ruto came up with the dynasty v. Hustler war he had already known that he was being dumped because of his peasantry upbringing and that is why he panicked and started campaigning too early and compounding the problem. Kenya is not ready for a peasantry revolution just yet and that is why the Dynasties are winning this war.
Predicting that something could happen is not wanting. What we know for sure is any serious fallout btw Kalenjin and Kikuyus will be settled in the usual manner.
Going with latest post you are writing its evident you want a certain group of people harmed if Uhuru betrays Ruto. Ruto is in a good place and will be fine whatever the case and actually based on 2002 and 2013 election experience support by incumbent is not good at all. Uhuru and Ruto having being on that side in 2002 when Moi supported Uhuru and tjem being good learners I dont think they will make the same mistake.
I think the 2 people who have unified Rift Valley and Mt Kenya is Uhuru and Ruto . Uhuru being the common factor Lets give ceedit where it deserves all the time Uhuru ran for presidency 2002 ,2013 & 2017 Rift valley have voted him to the man and all these times Ruto has been on his side.
I dont think Uhuru and Ruto are that naive after all the gains to create an atmosphere which might lead to violence in those 2 communities and specifiacally speaking with Ruto just a step away from state house cant afford to let that happen. You have seen how he has managed the ambush of his foot soldiers . If you have carefully followed Rutos political journey the only time he seemed to have been cornered was in 2007 elections when he wanted Kalonzo to vie for ODMs post instead of Raila and by 2009 he had managed to wrestle Rift Valley from Raila actually he managed even to make Rift Valley forgive and support Kibaki and vice versa to Raila. I told you before Ruto has more support from Mt Kenya than Rift Valley .
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We said it a long time ago that Ouru will dump Ruto. When Ruto came up with the dynasty v. Hustler war he had already known that he was being dumped because of his peasantry upbringing and that is why he panicked and started campaigning too early and compounding the problem. Kenya is not ready for a peasantry revolution just yet and that is why the Dynasties are winning this war.
Predicting that something could happen is not wanting. What we know for sure is any serious fallout btw Kalenjin and Kikuyus will be settled in the usual manner.
Going with latest post you are writing its evident you want a certain group of people harmed if Uhuru betrays Ruto. Ruto is in a good place and will be fine whatever the case and actually based on 2002 and 2013 election experience support by incumbent is not good at all. Uhuru and Ruto having being on that side in 2002 when Moi supported Uhuru and tjem being good learners I dont think they will make the same mistake.
I think the 2 people who have unified Rift Valley and Mt Kenya is Uhuru and Ruto . Uhuru being the common factor Lets give ceedit where it deserves all the time Uhuru ran for presidency 2002 ,2013 & 2017 Rift valley have voted him to the man and all these times Ruto has been on his side.
I dont think Uhuru and Ruto are that naive after all the gains to create an atmosphere which might lead to violence in those 2 communities and specifiacally speaking with Ruto just a step away from state house cant afford to let that happen. You have seen how he has managed the ambush of his foot soldiers . If you have carefully followed Rutos political journey the only time he seemed to have been cornered was in 2007 elections when he wanted Kalonzo to vie for ODMs post instead of Raila and by 2009 he had managed to wrestle Rift Valley from Raila actually he managed even to make Rift Valley forgive and support Kibaki and vice versa to Raila. I told you before Ruto has more support from Mt Kenya than Rift Valley .
So Uhuru outgoing president dumps a potential incoming president. The 2022 political players are Ruto and Raila .If Uhuru tries to show that he is leaving the mantle to Ruto with blunders he has made might actually spoil for Ruto. As at now Ruto has played it very well. Next he need to distance himself from Uhuru . Same way Uhuru did eith Kibaki , Hit the ground campaigning as from 2021.
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Yes, Ruto is realistic. Kalenjin wanted Raila because their beef with Kibaki was huge they felt Kalonzo was not going to exact the revenge they wanted. Raila had a bigger axe to grind. So around 2007 April Kalenjin basically dumped Kalonzo - as Raila went to Kass fm everytime to build support.
Ruto wanted Kalonzo because Kalonzo was going to win in rig proof margins. Raila screwed it up. He should have accepted to be ODM-K PM but Kibaki had lied to him..so he was scared of a repeat.
Ruto told Raila in clear terms that only Kalonzo could beat Kibaki in margins that would be impossible to top up.
Raila cried about being Luos and sijui bla bla. They then beseeched Ruto in Karen and he accepted. Kalonzo bolted out with his 8% and Kibaki survived.
Ruto lived to regret that decision. He allowed emotions to overcome him. My MOAS for 2007 had Raila winning by 45-% with Kibaki at 42-45%. Kibaki rigged it! 2% was easy to bridge.
Kibaki had lost the referendum in huge margins he couldn't rig it...so 2007 was supposed to be a repeat.
I think the 2 people who have unified Rift Valley and Mt Kenya is Uhuru and Ruto . Uhuru being the common factor Lets give ceedit where it deserves all the time Uhuru ran for presidency 2002 ,2013 & 2017 Rift valley have voted him to the man and all these times Ruto has been on his side.
I dont think Uhuru and Ruto are that naive after all the gains to create an atmosphere which might lead to violence in those 2 communities and specifiacally speaking with Ruto just a step away from state house cant afford to let that happen. You have seen how he has managed the ambush of his foot soldiers . If you have carefully followed Rutos political journey the only time he seemed to have been cornered was in 2007 elections when he wanted Kalonzo to vie for ODMs post instead of Raila and by 2009 he had managed to wrestle Rift Valley from Raila actually he managed even to make Rift Valley forgive and support Kibaki and vice versa to Raila. I told you before Ruto has more support from Mt Kenya than Rift Valley .
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Uhuru became legit when he assisted Kikuyus during PEV and took a direct hit with ICC. That was his comeback move otherwise he would have struggled. For Kikuyus he was no longer a rich entitled boy like now but was LEGIT.
Im just showcasing how these families so called influence is limited to their circles when ot comes to real elections. The only time they benefir is if the masses identify and makes one of them a kingpin.
In 2013 Uhuru was so scared that he decided it fit to leave the mantle to Mudavadi. When he was on the mission of selling Mudavadi to Mt Kenya through Radio shows , he was told by the callers that they were ready to go to opposition if thats what it takes for him to fight out with Raila.
The so called families had settled for Mudavadi the masses wanted Uhuru and Ruto.
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Rigging aside; Kalonzo FIGHTING ALONE FOR HIS 8% MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN 2007. The best thing for Kibaki/Mt. Kenya as by then Raila/ODM were extremely toxic towards Kikuyus. Reason 41 vs 1 became a rallying cry..
And he was handsomely funded by the same Kibaki group. If he had joined ODM, then the results would have been like 2005 Referendum.
Yes, Ruto is realistic. Kalenjin wanted Raila because their beef with Kibaki was huge they felt Kalonzo was not going to exact the revenge they wanted. Raila had a bigger axe to grind. So around 2007 April Kalenjin basically dumped Kalonzo - as Raila went to Kass fm everytime to build support.
Ruto wanted Kalonzo because Kalonzo was going to win in rig proof margins. Raila screwed it up. He should have accepted to be ODM-K PM but Kibaki had lied to him..so he was scared of a repeat.
Ruto told Raila in clear terms that only Kalonzo could beat Kibaki in margins that would be impossible to top up.
Raila cried about being Luos and sijui bla bla. They then beseeched Ruto in Karen and he accepted. Kalonzo bolted out with his 8% and Kibaki survived.
Ruto lived to regret that decision. He allowed emotions to overcome him. My MOAS for 2007 had Raila winning by 45-% with Kibaki at 42-45%. Kibaki rigged it! 2% was easy to bridge.
Kibaki had lost the referendum in huge margins he couldn't rig it...so 2007 was supposed to be a repeat.
I think the 2 people who have unified Rift Valley and Mt Kenya is Uhuru and Ruto . Uhuru being the common factor Lets give ceedit where it deserves all the time Uhuru ran for presidency 2002 ,2013 & 2017 Rift valley have voted him to the man and all these times Ruto has been on his side.
I dont think Uhuru and Ruto are that naive after all the gains to create an atmosphere which might lead to violence in those 2 communities and specifiacally speaking with Ruto just a step away from state house cant afford to let that happen. You have seen how he has managed the ambush of his foot soldiers . If you have carefully followed Rutos political journey the only time he seemed to have been cornered was in 2007 elections when he wanted Kalonzo to vie for ODMs post instead of Raila and by 2009 he had managed to wrestle Rift Valley from Raila actually he managed even to make Rift Valley forgive and support Kibaki and vice versa to Raila. I told you before Ruto has more support from Mt Kenya than Rift Valley .
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Truth be told; Since 2017 Elections, Raila is the GREATEST WINNER in this Uhuru/Ruto/Raila saga. He was protesting, making lots of noise and being teargassed but after Handshake he has become powerborker. He's the like the Catholic Priests who sits in that dark confession box and listens to all your sins then INTERCEDES for your forgiveness. He has made loads of cash through pay offs; he his "feared" by almost everyone because he has direct line/24/7 to President. Raila's decree is like presidential order. His ODM party is unofficially the ruling party.
Then Raila's political machine is intact. While Uhuru and Ruto deflate Jubilee to plastic tent of bickering shrews, Raila/ODM are laughing it off. They are intact. They are planning on getting into government through GNU. BLESS THEM...
On the other hand, Ruto is the Greates Loser. We all expected him to be heir-apparent, to have an easier time as he constructed his 2022 campaign/coalition. He was expected to be the one playing politics and keeping Raila noisemaker at bay while Uhuru REIGNED IN PEACE waiting for his term to end. Now due to the worst backstabbing in Kenya's political history, Ruto finds himself silenced and marooned within his offices as he COMPLETELY CHANGES his plans and how he approach 2022.
Uhuru was expected to be President; top dog. He was expected to keep politicking to a minimum as he CONCENTRATED ON ACHIEVING HIS BIG 4 AGENDA. And finally retire a relaxed Son of Jomo whether with St. Annie Waiguru, or Kanze Dena or constitute a harem. Now we have him joining RAO to scheme to stay longer in power. He swings his executive rungu like an angry gorilla. He wants everyone to follow his edicts or he unsheath his sword. He has become a RAO dependant in terms of politics in Senate and National Assembly but he smiles like a Cheshire Cat SURE OF HIMSELF THAT HE WILL BE IN POWER CIRCLES FOR A WHILE TO COME.
So, If tomorrow RAO is "dumped", he actually won't be a loser. He can as easily switch his political machine to opposition mode and try make alliances. Throughout that period he has recouped his campaign fees and more. He has enjoyed power even if not constitutionally. So he would be okay..
For Uhuru, if all fails he can retire and claim he brought Raila close so as to "stabilize the country" without him having any other agenda. He would have served his 10years in power as President.
For Ruto, it's a bit difficult. He's heir-apparent and anything short of taking over would be seen as a loss. He cannot create an alliance with Raila unless he is to back Raila for President, but what he would be doing is DENYING HIMSELF A CHANCE TO PRESIDENT WHEN FACTORS FAVOURS HIM.
All in all, unbiased look at what has transpired since Handshake is that UHURU HAS MESSED RUTO BIGLY. Ruto consolation is that the Wanjikus in some key regions are mostly with him. And if he wins in 2022 HE WILL EMERGE AS THE GREATEST WINNER.
Well conjecture vs news as usual. Uhuru is perceiving a "constitutional moment" - it's on YouTube :) - Raila and ODM dream day and night about referendum. What evidence backs your take - referendum budget?
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Garliv at least you are abit objective unlike our resident "expert." What is your take on the avalanche of GEMA decamping from Ruto to Handshake. And Echesas. Is it "strategic retreat" or a miscarriage of the stillborn hustler movement?
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Galrvi your analysis are on point. As matter of fact a lot of people who were vocal for Ruto are on sidelines now. They are confused and uncertain. If Uhuru decides to retire and not even go for referendum. I think BBI is stick that Uhuru and ruto are using to beat their opponents to line. There is no appetite for constitution change. By mid next year every politician will panic. Governors will panic since there won't be money for development or to pay salaries and they will beg for Raila and Uhuru to load them one more time before they exit power. Uhuru will wait till June 2022 and endorse Raila. then indicate he has retired.
Next elections will be for change of guard and ruto won't be able to package himself as change of Jubilee. It is just that people would want nothing to do with Uhuru or anyone else that was in his govt through jubilee. Very few Jubilee mps will ever see parliament again
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Galrvi your analysis are on point. As matter of fact a lot of people who were vocal for Ruto are on sidelines now. They are confused and uncertain. If Uhuru decides to retire and not even go for referendum. I think BBI is stick that Uhuru and ruto are using to beat their opponents to line. There is no appetite for constitution change. By mid next year every politician will panic. Governors will panic since there won't be money for development or to pay salaries and they will beg for Raila and Uhuru to load them one more time before they exit power. Uhuru will wait till June 2022 and endorse Raila. then indicate he has retired.
Next elections will be for change of guard and ruto won't be able to package himself as change of Jubilee. It is just that people would want nothing to do with Uhuru or anyone else that was in his govt through jubilee. Very few Jubilee mps will ever see parliament again
You are the one who is confused. Odmers tried to play the same rhetoric in 2013 ooh Rift valley electorate are confused and uncertain and its impossible for them to vote a guy from Mt Kenya after what happened in 2007. Little did they know 10 years earlier they were the only ones who voted as a block for Uhuru. We have a similar case with Ruto, Mt Kenya have voted for him twice as DP through Jubilee you think its that easy for them to change hearts and mind and vote for the only reason they were voting against(anti Raila) .
So you claim Uhuru will endorse Raila and Ruto wont be able to package himself as change in Jubilee and that people would want nothing to do with with Uhuru. Tell me who is confused now ?
You then go ahead and claim that very few Jubilee elected officials will ever make it back, the same officials trooping Railas office . So who is confusing who , Uhuru Raila or Kenyan pluto?
2022 as was 2013 and 2002 will be a new dawn ,95 % of elected officials wont make it back the few clever ones will try to trick their way in by clinging to coats of Ruto and Raila as per previous experince this will end up messy and actually cost Raila and ODM mps in 2013 and 2017 elections.
Ruto has seen that and is letting natural selection take place , he is weeding himself of the Warugurus ,kamandas , Wambugus, Wamalwas et all and thanks to Uhuru post 2022 they might go to Ichaweri and camp there and suggest business ideas to Kenyattas family and they will still be good.
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You interpreted more than i said. I just said Raila has gained a lot given that he was just expected to be Opposition. He is cheering and supporting Uhuru as Uhuru destroy his Jubilee alliance. Raila alliance is largely intact. He has gained clout. Not necessarily that he now has MORE VOTES NUMBERS THAN HE HAD, but his political life is much easier than we expected. I personally don't support Raila/Uhuru; indeed am campaigning against Uhuru/RAO schemes in all ways possible.
But mass support for Ruto is still the key. He still has loads of support especially Mt. Kenya region where 2022 will be decided. Uhuru fighting Ruto hasn't diminished that ground support. Key for Ruto and his supporters is HOW to keep the ground motivated so that it doesn't lose hope and not turn out to vote. Most of Ruto's vocal supporters (and well known ones) have gone silent because truly truly Uhuru is unleashing big hammers and intimidation/coercion. So many have decided to keep silent. NOTE; not confused, but they don't want trouble.
Remember it has NOW reached a point where Matiang'i OPENLY TOLD CHIEFS in Nyandarua TO MONITOR AND REPORT ANY PLANNED TANGATANGA MEETINGS. And believe me, the Chiefs/DCs must report otherwise if it later turns out that some "tangatanga group/person" was within their area, then they risk disciplinary measures. This i know for a fact; got called and warned by some Deputy Commissioner and shortly thereafter some summons here and there... Maybe we should just join politics full time and face whatever we have to face...
Galrvi your analysis are on point. As matter of fact a lot of people who were vocal for Ruto are on sidelines now. They are confused and uncertain. If Uhuru decides to retire and not even go for referendum. I think BBI is stick that Uhuru and ruto are using to beat their opponents to line. There is no appetite for constitution change. By mid next year every politician will panic. Governors will panic since there won't be money for development or to pay salaries and they will beg for Raila and Uhuru to load them one more time before they exit power. Uhuru will wait till June 2022 and endorse Raila. then indicate he has retired.
Next elections will be for change of guard and ruto won't be able to package himself as change of Jubilee. It is just that people would want nothing to do with Uhuru or anyone else that was in his govt through jubilee. Very few Jubilee mps will ever see parliament again
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Regardless of our personal stands, we can appreciate facts as they are at any given moment. If you do not appreciate facts then you'd be planning under a fantasy.
Public "decamping from Ruto" at the moment is evident where power/influence is. Very few of those are genuine. These are political survivors. They believe Handshake Side is "good" and therefore they head there. Remember even So called Tangatanga sympathisers cannot hold a meeting or organise anything. They are neutered. And Uhuru declared where he is and what he wants and he's availed state machinery/power to try and achieve that. So to politicians, choice is simple: Seen to be with Uhuru/Raila. Equally Ruto has not put any restrictions/demand or anything; he's clear he's not at war with President Uhuru. And honestly, he can do very little to "protect his lieutenants" even if he wanted to.
In short, "defections" are good political psychological warfare to try and demoralise "other side", but eventually it will reach a point where the ground has to be really tested. And it could be very soon. Before end of year.
Garliv at least you are abit objective unlike our resident "expert." What is your take on the avalanche of GEMA decamping from Ruto to Handshake. And Echesas. Is it "strategic retreat" or a miscarriage of the stillborn hustler movement?
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My 5th post in new nipate.....
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001374724/uhuru-reclaims-central-through-raila
There Goes Gideon Mois Media company trying to create a narrative . Uhuru is a foregone issue in Mt Kenya
Based on past experience once Mt Kenya decided you are not wanted any more even after being the Kingpin -Its a done deal - Example is Matiba in 92 vS Matiba in 97 and 2007
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Still remains as Pundit choses to focus somewhere else......
You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office
They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto
And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse
You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come 2022 .
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Pundit as usual predicting doom.I told him Rutos tactics dont involve violence. Raila was responsible for 2007 violence....
Predicting that something could happen is not wanting. What we know for sure is any serious fallout btw Kalenjin and Kikuyus will be settled in the usual manner.
Going with latest post you are writing its evident you want a certain group of people harmed if Uhuru betrays Ruto. Ruto is in a good place and will be fine whatever the case and actually based on 2002 and 2013 election experience support by incumbent is not good at all. Uhuru and Ruto having being on that side in 2002 when Moi supported Uhuru and tjem being good learners I dont think they will make the same mistake.
I think the 2 people who have unified Rift Valley and Mt Kenya is Uhuru and Ruto . Uhuru being the common factor Lets give ceedit where it deserves all the time Uhuru ran for presidency 2002 ,2013 & 2017 Rift valley have voted him to the man and all these times Ruto has been on his side.
I dont think Uhuru and Ruto are that naive after all the gains to create an atmosphere which might lead to violence in those 2 communities and specifiacally speaking with Ruto just a step away from state house cant afford to let that happen. You have seen how he has managed the ambush of his foot soldiers . If you have carefully followed Rutos political journey the only time he seemed to have been cornered was in 2007 elections when he wanted Kalonzo to vie for ODMs post instead of Raila and by 2009 he had managed to wrestle Rift Valley from Raila actually he managed even to make Rift Valley forgive and support Kibaki and vice versa to Raila. I told you before Ruto has more support from Mt Kenya than Rift Valley .