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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on May 26, 2020, 09:39:28 AM
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PART IV—THE LEADER OF THE MAJORITY PARTY
AND THE LEADER OF THE MINORITY PARTY
Leader of the Majority Party and Deputy Leader of
the Majority Party
19. (1) The largest party or coalition of parties in the
National Assembly shall elect—
(a) a member of the National Assembly
belonging to the party or coalition of parties
to be the Leader of the Majority Party;
(b) a member of the National Assembly
belonging to the party or coalition of parties
to be the Deputy Leader of the Majority
Party.
(2) In electing members under paragraph (1), the
largest party or coalition of parties in the
National Assembly shall take into account—
(a) any existing coalition agreement entered
into pursuant to the Political Parties Act;
(b) the need for gender balance
(3) A member elected under paragraph (2) may
be removed by a majority of votes of all
members of the largest party or coalition of
parties in the National Assembly.
(4) The whip of the largest party or coalition of
parties in the National Assembly shall forthwith,
upon a decision being made under this Standing
Order, communicate to the Speaker, in writing
the decision together with the minutes of the
meeting at which the decision was made
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This one is a little difficult. There are only 12 nominated Mps. Maybe Uhuru will gather all independent MPs? KANU? sign up coalition with ODM?
Kieleweke wing of Uhuru I think at best can raise 30-40mps against Ruto's 130-140mps.
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But they have Speaker Muturi - to do legal gymnastics - and probably execute another affront of our nascent democracy?
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So look likely they will have NMC endorse a new coalition with ODM and Wiper to try to shore up the numbers.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-05-26-eyes-on-ruto-as-uhuru-convenes-top-jubilee-meeting/
Now we will have situation where both Majority and Minority whip belong to the same coalition.
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So look likely they will have NMC endorse a new coalition with ODM and Wiper to try to shore up the numbers.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-05-26-eyes-on-ruto-as-uhuru-convenes-top-jubilee-meeting/
Now we will have situation where both Majority and Minority whip belong to the same coalition.
Are they not afraid of losing N.E Somali vote. By removing Duale
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How many phantom senators did Ruto have...? Kindiki vote was 54-7 dog beating. That 44 already if you remove the 10 Jubilee nominated. And obviously not all nominated senators/MPs back Ruto.
Duale is not speaker so it mere 50% Jubilee MPs at PG. Ruto phantom numbers are about to be exposed again. That huge mob at Naivasha retreat - or protest letters to party registrar - is unverified nonsense. When tyre meets the road very few MPs will hang for Ruto in the slightest. With all the legal cover all the way to SCORK - it buffling how fast Milly Omangas dumped hustler without second thought. 8) These "leaders" are turncoats and mercenaries - JUDASES - banking on them against PORK is just comical.
The argument that MPs are many so harder to intimidate is illogical... that an experiment you need to wait and see.
This one is a little difficult. There are only 12 nominated Mps. Maybe Uhuru will gather all independent MPs? KANU? sign up coalition with ODM?
Kieleweke wing of Uhuru I think at best can raise 30-40mps against Ruto's 130-140mps.
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But why is Uhuru signing coalitions left right and center if Ruto was that weak.
How many phantom senators did Ruto have...? Kindiki vote was 54-7 dog beating. That 44 already if you remove the 10 Jubilee nominated. And obviously not all nominated senators/MPs back Ruto.
Duale is not speaker so it mere 50% Jubilee MPs at PG. Ruto phantom numbers are about to be exposed again. That huge mob at Naivasha retreat - or protest letters to party registrar - is unverified nonsense. When tyre meets the road very few MPs will hang for Ruto in the slightest. With all the legal cover all the way to SCORK - it buffling how fast Milly Omangas dumped hustler without second thought. 8) These "leaders" are turncoats and mercenaries - JUDASES - banking on them against PORK is just comical.
The argument that MPs are many so harder to intimidate is illogical... that an experiment you need to wait and see.
This one is a little difficult. There are only 12 nominated Mps. Maybe Uhuru will gather all independent MPs? KANU? sign up coalition with ODM?
Kieleweke wing of Uhuru I think at best can raise 30-40mps against Ruto's 130-140mps.
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First, I don't buy Ruto's 130-140 MPs 70% JP magic number. There are maybe 10% Ruto diehards in Jubilee. The bulk are passive supporters and fence-sitters who will not break sweat when Jezebel call them. It easier to tout numbers when there is nothing to lose.
Second, don't expect Uhuru to play fair. There is COVID - so numbers can be manufactured bila wasi wasi. Like someone asked, what make you think the senators didn't attend Uhuru PG by Zoom? You go to court today - and it impossible to prove quorum hitch. With Muturi expect ukora... as protests and court orders are ignored.
So look likely they will have NMC endorse a new coalition with ODM and Wiper to try to shore up the numbers.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-05-26-eyes-on-ruto-as-uhuru-convenes-top-jubilee-meeting/
Now we will have situation where both Majority and Minority whip belong to the same coalition.
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Nduare is going nowhere. Have you ever heard him speak even one word against Uhuru? The last fight between Duale and Murkomen was not about national parliament vs the senate, but a fight for the direction in which the URP wing of Jubilee should take in the height of siege mentality in the Ruto camp.
Somalis are known to always side with the present government. They know the stake they even hold in the present government is more than their share of the national cake. Are they ready to take a risk and abondon that? My guess is no. Somalis will sit on the fence till the dice is cast.
Are they not afraid of losing N.E Somali vote. By removing Duale
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Jubilee was core TNA-URP coalition. Fallout means Ruto 50% has to be replaced. Nothing complicated - it just about numbers in parliament.
Second, Ruto is greedy and wants 100% PORK. So he usurp GEMA and talk about MOU :o I don't know if you are willfully ignorant - but saying someone with direct support can share power is just so gullible. If Ruto guaranteed 50-50 - with PM or such not piece of paper or "trustworthy" voodoo - I doubt he would be haunted as is happening now.
Ruto is formidable but not unbeatable. I know it hard for you to be objective but Ruto is not even Raila level.
But why is Uhuru signing coalitions left right and center if Ruto was that weak.
How many phantom senators did Ruto have...? Kindiki vote was 54-7 dog beating. That 44 already if you remove the 10 Jubilee nominated. And obviously not all nominated senators/MPs back Ruto.
Duale is not speaker so it mere 50% Jubilee MPs at PG. Ruto phantom numbers are about to be exposed again. That huge mob at Naivasha retreat - or protest letters to party registrar - is unverified nonsense. When tyre meets the road very few MPs will hang for Ruto in the slightest. With all the legal cover all the way to SCORK - it buffling how fast Milly Omangas dumped hustler without second thought. 8) These "leaders" are turncoats and mercenaries - JUDASES - banking on them against PORK is just comical.
The argument that MPs are many so harder to intimidate is illogical... that an experiment you need to wait and see.
This one is a little difficult. There are only 12 nominated Mps. Maybe Uhuru will gather all independent MPs? KANU? sign up coalition with ODM?
Kieleweke wing of Uhuru I think at best can raise 30-40mps against Ruto's 130-140mps.
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They have done it before (remember the security laws?) and you cheered them on. Wembe ni ule ule.
Next time stick to the side of the law and not cheer any group that uses illegal tactics to achieve its goals just because you side with the group.
But they have Speaker Muturi - to do legal gymnastics - and probably execute another affront of our nascent democracy?
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My opinion is that Ruto and his group (whether big or small) should not resist anything. If it's Duale Uhuru wants out, let it be. I honestly don't see what is to fight for. If they resist, then they paint themselves as "those frustrating or competing with the President.." BY resisting they FORMALLY VALIDATE Uhuru's claim of being "undermined by the DP.." So no need to struggle on it.
Second, even if Duale and Washiali remains, then they cannot RESIST ANY BILL/MOTION that Uhuru seeks. Doing so now would even be worse. So let Uhuru have his way...
Finally, the die is cast. On authority of some MP the message they get from Security is "mjaribu kuaibisha Rais..." Most of MPs have so much skeletons and also very few have balls; especially now Executive is on the rampage.
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RV Pundit and Njuri just discovered the machinery and PORK's coercive power. They are actually shocked that MPs can be intimidated. In the past it was just Kibicho being michievous.
They have done it before (remember the security laws?) and you cheered them on. Wembe ni ule ule.
Next time stick to the side of the law and not cheer any group that uses illegal tactics to achieve its goals just because you side with the group.
But they have Speaker Muturi - to do legal gymnastics - and probably execute another affront of our nascent democracy?
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You're confusing me more. So Ruto is weak. Ruto is formidable. Yes I agree that the GEMA elite would love to remain as political brokers for their people - but it's really not Ruto fault - that they are at variance with their own people.
Shaking Raila hands and selling BBI is what killed Uhuru's popularity in not only GEMA but the entire Jubileeland.
It's really got nothing to do with Ruto.
Because the current GEMA elite do not want to heed the warning signs from their own people - and are trying to use force in 21st century - what I predict will happen is simple Kalenjin like the rejection of elite - and the rise of new elite.
That is how Kalenjin ended up with Mps who are barely out of their teens, governors in early 30s and Senate in their 20s. It was the total rejection of Moi and his moneyed elite. Moi had managed to build an political, business and military-security elite that had become insular and so proud they toyed with people left right and center.
This is exactly what is happening in GEMA. If this continues - expect to see even Njuri Ncheke here being governor of Meru - the
results will be shocking.
You cannot take madharau to the people on the ground. Eti deep state will rig it. You'll get 2 votes - impossible to rig. Now compound it with fact that Uhuru is now relying basically on 1) People rejected in 2017 election in Jubilee zones and 2) Jubilee enemies that people voted, campaigned and some probably died for. It's the ultimate betrayal of people.
If I was a smart Mt Kenya politician - I would take the war to Uhuru like Moses Kuria is doing - and reap big reward.
Jubilee was core TNA-URP coalition. Fallout means Ruto 50% has to be replaced. Nothing complicated - it just about numbers in parliament.
Second, Ruto is greedy and wants 100% PORK. So he usurp GEMA and talk about MOU :o I don't know if you are willfully ignorant - but saying someone with direct support can share power is just so gullible. If Ruto guaranteed 50-50 - with PM or such not piece of paper or "trustworthy" voodoo - I doubt he would be haunted as is happening now.
Ruto is formidable but not unbeatable. I know it hard for you to be objective but Ruto is not even Raila level.
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Agreed.But don't make it so easy for Uhuru. He has to do the firing. So don't resign but don't fight. Let him fire, humiliate and harass Jubilee Mps...and let him have his way...so he cannot come back and claim he failed because he didn't get support. Right now all his claims rig hollow because no senate or parliament bill from gov has been defeated.
But eventually as we approach 2022 - and with ODM inside the tent - Jubilee MPs will have to hang both Uhuru and Raila together.
So let them go inside first....so they can reap the blame and the largesse of course.
My opinion is that Ruto and his group (whether big or small) should not resist anything. If it's Duale Uhuru wants out, let it be. I honestly don't see what is to fight for. If they resist, then they paint themselves as "those frustrating or competing with the President.." BY resisting they FORMALLY VALIDATE Uhuru's claim of being "undermined by the DP.." So no need to struggle on it.
Second, even if Duale and Washiali remains, then they cannot RESIST ANY BILL/MOTION that Uhuru seeks. Doing so now would even be worse. So let Uhuru have his way...
Finally, the die is cast. On authority of some MP the message they get from Security is "mjaribu kuaibisha Rais..." Most of MPs have so much skeletons and also very few have balls; especially now Executive is on the rampage.
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Red line: Ruto doesn't resign. He stays put.
Second, in case they try Impeachment THEN and only then does his support of Mps/Senators rise up and say no. Now that would be nuclear option. And chip fall where they may.
Agreed.But don't make it so easy for Uhuru. He has to do the firing. So don't resign but don't fight. Let him fire, humiliate and harass Jubilee Mps...and let him have his way...so he cannot come back and claim he failed because he didn't get support. Right now all his claims rig hollow because no senate or parliament bill from gov has been defeated.
But eventually as we approach 2022 - and with ODM inside the tent - Jubilee MPs will have to hang both Uhuru and Raila together.
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The only benefit of DPORK is if Uhuru was to die mid-way. And perhaps to stop Uhuru from appointing Gideon Moi. Other than that - Ruto is essentially fired. But because COVID-19 could take Uhuru or anybody else - it's worth fighting for it.
Red line: Ruto doesn't resign. He stays put.
Second, in case they try Impeachment THEN and only then does his support of Mps/Senators rise up and say no. Now that would be nuclear option. And chip fall where they may.
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Once he resigns, the system (Uhuru/Raila) will go after him like nothing. At least as DP there is that hesitation because of the OFFICE. And we are dealing with people who have no sense of proportion here. Raila/Uhuru have joined together to produce terrible madness. They don't even have finesse.
Please understand, MAJOR ISSUE WITH RUTO IS THAT HE'S A THREAT TO UHURU/RAILA SCHEMES. That threat will NOT end with Ruto resigning; if anything it will be worse because Ruto will feel he's now FREE to go around as "jamaa ya kawaida..." And if his popularity still holds, then these guys will find it easy to do whatever they plan. You know if he resigns he probably won't last a month before he is arrested for so real and imagined corruption. Let them sweat it out when he's DP....
Finally because of well known health issues of someone which reportedly keep getting worse and worse, he should stay put.
NB: I know it is maybe pointless to say this, but Uhuru has been behaving unconstitutionally when he does not engage his DP. He's Principal Assistant to the President and he should be deputizing President when need arise. Huku Uhuru keep "sending" Raila to hold brief here and there is purely illegal. DP is a crucial office; so he shouldn't resign.
The only benefit of DPORK is if Uhuru was to die mid-way. And perhaps to stop Uhuru from appointing Gideon Moi. Other than that - Ruto is essentially fired. But because COVID-19 could take Uhuru or anybody else - it's worth fighting for it.
Red line: Ruto doesn't resign. He stays put.
Second, in case they try Impeachment THEN and only then does his support of Mps/Senators rise up and say no. Now that would be nuclear option. And chip fall where they may.
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Ruto will finally impeached and possibly harassed by EACC for the rest of Uhuru term
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Baghdad bob does not get it neither does that midget called Garliv....its game over. How does Ruto pull the nuclear option without Senate and parliament cover. The best option is to start working out exit strategy and safe passage/landing. Plan to fight another day. Ruto has boxed himself in a corner. It's ok to throw in the towel, save more body damage and live to fight another day.
How many phantom senators did Ruto have...? Kindiki vote was 54-7 dog beating. That 44 already if you remove the 10 Jubilee nominated. And obviously not all nominated senators/MPs back Ruto.
Duale is not speaker so it mere 50% Jubilee MPs at PG. Ruto phantom numbers are about to be exposed again. That huge mob at Naivasha retreat - or protest letters to party registrar - is unverified nonsense. When tyre meets the road very few MPs will hang for Ruto in the slightest. With all the legal cover all the way to SCORK - it buffling how fast Milly Omangas dumped hustler without second thought. 8) These "leaders" are turncoats and mercenaries - JUDASES - banking on them against PORK is just comical.
The argument that MPs are many so harder to intimidate is illogical... that an experiment you need to wait and see.
This one is a little difficult. There are only 12 nominated Mps. Maybe Uhuru will gather all independent MPs? KANU? sign up coalition with ODM?
Kieleweke wing of Uhuru I think at best can raise 30-40mps against Ruto's 130-140mps.
quote author=Robina link=topic=8364.msg74162#msg74162 date=1590483354]
How many phantom senators did Ruto have...? Kindiki vote was 54-7 dog beating. That 44 already if you remove the 10 Jubilee nominated. And obviously not all nominated senators/MPs back Ruto.
Duale is not speaker so it mere 50% Jubilee MPs at PG. Ruto phantom numbers are about to be exposed again. That huge mob at Naivasha retreat - or protest letters to party registrar - is unverified nonsense. When tyre meets the road very few MPs will hang for Ruto in the slightest. With all the legal cover all the way to SCORK - it buffling how fast Milly Omangas dumped hustler without second thought. 8) These "leaders" are turncoats and mercenaries - JUDASES - banking on them against PORK is just comical.
The argument that MPs are many so harder to intimidate is illogical... that an experiment you need to wait and see.
This one is a little difficult. There are only 12 nominated Mps. Maybe Uhuru will gather all independent MPs? KANU? sign up coalition with ODM?
Kieleweke wing of Uhuru I think at best can raise 30-40mps against Ruto's 130-140mps.
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I am Baghdad boy when you want and CIA connected rigger when you need. That is pretty amazing. No wonder Ngeny had your fired.
Baghdad bob does not get it neither does that midget called Garliv....its game over. How does Ruto pull the nuclear option without Senate and parliament cover. The best option is to start working out exit strategy and safe passage/landing. Plan to fight another day. Ruto has boxed himself in a corner. It's ok to throw in the towel, save more body damage and live to fight another day.
How many phantom senators did Ruto have...? Kindiki vote was 54-7 dog beating. That 44 already if you remove the 10 Jubilee nominated. And obviously not all nominated senators/MPs back Ruto.
Duale is not speaker so it mere 50% Jubilee MPs at PG. Ruto phantom numbers are about to be exposed again. That huge mob at Naivasha retreat - or protest letters to party registrar - is unverified nonsense. When tyre meets the road very few MPs will hang for Ruto in the slightest. With all the legal cover all the way to SCORK - it buffling how fast Milly Omangas dumped hustler without second thought. 8) These "leaders" are turncoats and mercenaries - JUDASES - banking on them against PORK is just comical.
The argument that MPs are many so harder to intimidate is illogical... that an experiment you need to wait and see.
This one is a little difficult. There are only 12 nominated Mps. Maybe Uhuru will gather all independent MPs? KANU? sign up coalition with ODM?
Kieleweke wing of Uhuru I think at best can raise 30-40mps against Ruto's 130-140mps.
quote author=Robina link=topic=8364.msg74162#msg74162 date=1590483354]
How many phantom senators did Ruto have...? Kindiki vote was 54-7 dog beating. That 44 already if you remove the 10 Jubilee nominated. And obviously not all nominated senators/MPs back Ruto.
Duale is not speaker so it mere 50% Jubilee MPs at PG. Ruto phantom numbers are about to be exposed again. That huge mob at Naivasha retreat - or protest letters to party registrar - is unverified nonsense. When tyre meets the road very few MPs will hang for Ruto in the slightest. With all the legal cover all the way to SCORK - it buffling how fast Milly Omangas dumped hustler without second thought. 8) These "leaders" are turncoats and mercenaries - JUDASES - banking on them against PORK is just comical.
The argument that MPs are many so harder to intimidate is illogical... that an experiment you need to wait and see.
This one is a little difficult. There are only 12 nominated Mps. Maybe Uhuru will gather all independent MPs? KANU? sign up coalition with ODM?
Kieleweke wing of Uhuru I think at best can raise 30-40mps against Ruto's 130-140mps.
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Tangatanga makelele crew- we know it a breath of fresh air to be able to talk freely. Welcome to freedom. I see all your delusions about Ruto numbers have been replaced by “let Uhuru have his way” :) What will you do when BBI hits the floor- will you turn the other cheek or fight and expose your numerical weakness?
Simple: you’re not letting Handshake win but simply have no capacity to stop them.
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RV Pundit: the GEMA upstarts your man destroyed are the ones you’re desperate to rise against Prince Uhuru now... tough luck.
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Ruto is formidable that why he is being clobbered. If he was meek as VP Moi - he would likely be walking to SH easy-peasy. Instead now he is Enemy of the State. But he is not unbeatable - Kang'ata and Tuju are gloating at Ngara HQ after kicking him out.
You're confusing me more. So Ruto is weak. Ruto is formidable.
GEMA elite still are the political brokers. Again you draw the false parallel with Moi - who was long retired and senile by the time Ruto took over in 2010. Ruto merely beat Gideon or Henry Kosgey. Not Moi senior.
GEMA rebellion and other stories are just that... pure conjecture with zero evidence except your 30yr experience :) Let stick to what is objectively in the news - like the rout in Jubilee and parliament.
Raila is unsellable in Mt Kenya is also merely your wish not a fact. GEMA have never voted for any Kalenjin or Luo and there is no ground measure but your jaundiced view. No GEMA voted Jubilee for Ruto but Uhuru obviously.
Yes I agree that the GEMA elite would love to remain as political brokers for their people - but it's really not Ruto fault - that they are at variance with their own people.
Shaking Raila hands and selling BBI is what killed Uhuru's popularity in not only GEMA but the entire Jubileeland.
It's really got nothing to do with Ruto.
Because the current GEMA elite do not want to heed the warning signs from their own people - and are trying to use force in 21st century - what I predict will happen is simple Kalenjin like the rejection of elite - and the rise of new elite.
That is how Kalenjin ended up with Mps who are barely out of their teens, governors in early 30s and Senate in their 20s. It was the total rejection of Moi and his moneyed elite. Moi had managed to build an political, business and military-security elite that had become insular and so proud they toyed with people left right and center.
This is exactly what is happening in GEMA. If this continues - expect to see even Njuri Ncheke here being governor of Meru - the
results will be shocking.
You cannot take madharau to the people on the ground. Eti deep state will rig it. You'll get 2 votes - impossible to rig. Now compound it with fact that Uhuru is now relying basically on 1) People rejected in 2017 election in Jubilee zones and 2) Jubilee enemies that people voted, campaigned and some probably died for. It's the ultimate betrayal of people.
If I was a smart Mt Kenya politician - I would take the war to Uhuru like Moses Kuria is doing - and reap big reward.
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Ruto - Moi comparison misses the fact that senile Kenyatta was not behind the shenanigans as is now clear with rabid Uhuru. At the time of making the braggadocio 'hii mambo ni kujipanga' jest, Ruto seemed also not to have appreciated this fact. Now that he is 'msituni' where he thought Raila was and Raila amejipanga, he has no doubts that he ain't Moi.
There is no Gema elite with a dying economy. Even poster boy Mwangi has had to withhold dividends despite cries from like of Mbaru and the mzungu shareholders. Nyamakima dead! Rents for landlords- uncertain!
Murathe is shallow elite who taught Uhuru to drink Glenfidich.
This is a long drawn unnecessary battle with no template and we will all suffer as we struggle not to wink with corona.
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This is likely to be like Moi succession. Ruto-Gideon-Uhuur started a whistle campaign on Saitoti-Biwott wamejipanga group and before we know Moi fished a drunkard Youngman Uhuru as PORK candidate leaving Saitoti, Kalonzo, MaDVD, Ngala, Raila and name it. Ruto was chief engineer using Gideon Moi to block likes of Biwott and Saitoti from statehouse - and they were doing their BBI thing inviting Raila for Co-operation and Saitoti was the stumbling block being the heir apparent - while all along the plan was for Uhuru to go for PORK and Gideon to be DPORK.
Now it appears Ruto is now the victim of the whistle-rumour-NSIS-campaign led by many embittered GEMA elite who lost in 2017 - with likes of Mbugua acting as statehouse gatekeeper - and seem they have succeeded in splitting Uhuru-Ruto.
Raila is very much in the same position in 2002 - he is being entertained but he is not part of the grand plans. Raila however much he tries will always be seen as one dangerous man.
Now because Uhuru and his planners are so naive and so 'powerful' they will come to an hairbrained candidates or arrangement that will lead into NARC revolution...this time most likely against dynastic (sons and daughters of big kahunas)
Ruto could as well end up a Saitoti - heir apparent turned chicken - if his hustler revolution doesn't catch and sustain momentum.
It very likely Raila will be the last out of Jubilee - and will have no option than Say Ruto TOSHA. He will be played until the last minute - when he will be offered the PM position. For now, he thinks he is going to be PORK, and someone else PM.
Ruto - Moi comparison misses the fact that senile Kenyatta was not behind the shenanigans as is now clear with rabid Uhuru. At the time of making the braggadocio 'hii mambo ni kujipanga' jest, Ruto seemed also not to have appreciated this fact. Now that he is 'msituni' where he thought Raila was and Raila amejipanga, he has no doubts that he ain't Moi.
There is no Gema elite with a dying economy. Even poster boy Mwangi has had to withhold dividends despite cries from like of Mbaru and the mzungu shareholders. Nyamakima dead! Rents for landlords- uncertain!
Murathe is shallow elite who taught Uhuru to drink Glenfidich.
This is a long drawn unnecessary battle with no template and we will all suffer as we struggle not to wink with corona.
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Moi had indicated quite early that he was leaving by word and deed unlike Wanjohi. I wondered why Mbugua, way back in 2018?? He is the ngoroko leader having network and respect across provincial administration!! It is evident Uhuru has had a card under his sleeves late into the first term or is it after the nominations. The weeding out of strong Central politicos is benefiting Uhuru more than Ruto as there is no one to take the battle to his doorstep. Yet takes the blame. They may after all be not that naive as they schemes unravel.
This is likely to be like Moi succession. Ruto-Gideon-Uhuur started a whistle campaign on Saitoti-Biwott wamejipanga group and before we know Moi fished a drunkard Youngman Uhuru as PORK candidate leaving Saitoti, Kalonzo, MaDVD, Ngala, Raila and name it. Ruto was chief engineer using Gideon Moi to block likes of Biwott and Saitoti from statehouse - and they were doing their BBI thing inviting Raila for Co-operation and Saitoti was the stumbling block being the heir apparent - while all along the plan was for Uhuru to go for PORK and Gideon to be DPORK.
Now it appears Ruto is now the victim of the whistle-rumour-NSIS-campaign led by many embittered GEMA elite who lost in 2017 - with likes of Mbugua acting as statehouse gatekeeper - and seem they have succeeded in splitting Uhuru-Ruto.
Raila is very much in the same position in 2002 - he is being entertained but he is not part of the grand plans. Raila however much he tries will always be seen as one dangerous man.
Now because Uhuru and his planners are so naive and so 'powerful' they will come to an hairbrained candidates or arrangement that will lead into NARC revolution...this time most likely against dynastic (sons and daughters of big kahunas)
Ruto could as well end up a Saitoti - heir apparent turned chicken - if his hustler revolution doesn't catch and sustain momentum.
It very likely Raila will be the last out of Jubilee - and will have no option than Say Ruto TOSHA. He will be played until the last minute - when he will be offered the PM position. For now, he thinks he is going to be PORK, and someone else PM.
Ruto - Moi comparison misses the fact that senile Kenyatta was not behind the shenanigans as is now clear with rabid Uhuru. At the time of making the braggadocio 'hii mambo ni kujipanga' jest, Ruto seemed also not to have appreciated this fact. Now that he is 'msituni' where he thought Raila was and Raila amejipanga, he has no doubts that he ain't Moi.
There is no Gema elite with a dying economy. Even poster boy Mwangi has had to withhold dividends despite cries from like of Mbaru and the mzungu shareholders. Nyamakima dead! Rents for landlords- uncertain!
Murathe is shallow elite who taught Uhuru to drink Glenfidich.
This is a long drawn unnecessary battle with no template and we will all suffer as we struggle not to wink with corona.
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If Uhuru cannot remove the term limit; he is not running. Anything else is flies in face of logic. A president as powerful as Uhuru cannot go and become DPORK or PM - executive or not. That is laughable. Even Kindiki has refused to be a member of a committee after being Deputy Speaker. There are things that flies in face of all logic - like being a Commander in Armed force & President of Republic - and next thing - Uhuru is kneeling before President Raila - addressing him as His Excellent Raila Amolo Odinga - if not evading childish taunts from Babu Owino in parliamentary corridors :) :). I mean if Uhuru was desperate like Kalooser he would - but even without PORK - his life was always set.
Some people smoke very serious weed like Robina. Raila is obviously a well known naive fool.
Uhuru is going home. But he is obviously not going to go home like Kibaki - he will want to be like Moi - to try to influence his succession. All that depends on GEMA - nobody else will listen to him.
If that fails - Uhuru will get his retirement perks for rest of his life - police.
Moi had indicated quite early that he was leaving by word and deed unlike Wanjohi. I wondered why Mbugua, way back in 2018?? He is the ngoroko leader having network and respect across provincial administration!! It is evident Uhuru has had a card under his sleeves late into the first term or is it after the nominations. The weeding out of strong Central politicos is benefiting Uhuru more than Ruto as there is no one to take the battle to his doorstep. Yet takes the blame. They may after all be not that naive as they schemes unravel.
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Uhuru vs Ruto is more Kibaki vs Raila. Raila seemed badass in the street while Miguna tell us he cried like a bitch at Sagana. Ruto and Raila have many similarities to which people are oblivious. The biggest is they are non-GEMA arch-rivals who GEMA pit like village cockerels
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Pundit is not Baghbad Bob or Chemical Ali.. more like old Kamanda with his 30yr trash record. The denialism is akin to dementia or senility... clearly on borrowed time.
I am Baghdad boy when you want and CIA connected rigger when you need. That is pretty amazing. No wonder Ngeny had your fired.
Baghdad bob does not get it neither does that midget called Garliv....its game over. How does Ruto pull the nuclear option without Senate and parliament cover. The best option is to start working out exit strategy and safe passage/landing. Plan to fight another day. Ruto has boxed himself in a corner. It's ok to throw in the towel, save more body damage and live to fight another day.
How many phantom senators did Ruto have...? Kindiki vote was 54-7 dog beating. That 44 already if you remove the 10 Jubilee nominated. And obviously not all nominated senators/MPs back Ruto.
Duale is not speaker so it mere 50% Jubilee MPs at PG. Ruto phantom numbers are about to be exposed again. That huge mob at Naivasha retreat - or protest letters to party registrar - is unverified nonsense. When tyre meets the road very few MPs will hang for Ruto in the slightest. With all the legal cover all the way to SCORK - it buffling how fast Milly Omangas dumped hustler without second thought. 8) These "leaders" are turncoats and mercenaries - JUDASES - banking on them against PORK is just comical.
The argument that MPs are many so harder to intimidate is illogical... that an experiment you need to wait and see.
This one is a little difficult. There are only 12 nominated Mps. Maybe Uhuru will gather all independent MPs? KANU? sign up coalition with ODM?
Kieleweke wing of Uhuru I think at best can raise 30-40mps against Ruto's 130-140mps.
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How many phantom senators did Ruto have...? Kindiki vote was 54-7 dog beating. That 44 already if you remove the 10 Jubilee nominated. And obviously not all nominated senators/MPs back Ruto.
Duale is not speaker so it mere 50% Jubilee MPs at PG. Ruto phantom numbers are about to be exposed again. That huge mob at Naivasha retreat - or protest letters to party registrar - is unverified nonsense. When tyre meets the road very few MPs will hang for Ruto in the slightest. With all the legal cover all the way to SCORK - it buffling how fast Milly Omangas dumped hustler without second thought. 8) These "leaders" are turncoats and mercenaries - JUDASES - banking on them against PORK is just comical.
The argument that MPs are many so harder to intimidate is illogical... that an experiment you need to wait and see.
This one is a little difficult. There are only 12 nominated Mps. Maybe Uhuru will gather all independent MPs? KANU? sign up coalition with ODM?
Kieleweke wing of Uhuru I think at best can raise 30-40mps against Ruto's 130-140mps.
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RV Pundit has pulled a Pajero :D
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You really miss me Robina.
No One Wants To Serve A Failed Gov’t, Oscar Sudi Says Ahead of National Assembly Shake Up
Okay latest is Ruto has told the Mps to let Wanjohi was Mashati to have his way.
“I want to advise State House prefects and monitors like Matiang’i and Kibicho. Kindly don’t waste the resources of Kenyans by mobilising teams and factions.
“We will all attend the PG meeting and endorse all the changes that you want to propose. We are nolonger interested to serve in those positions. No one would want to serve a failed government,” he wrote
RV Pundit has pulled a Pajero :D
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Pundit the man who discovered Jamaica. We miss your makelele n insufferable spins. patel n Kichy need to refit the kid gloves so you can continue to entertain us with they are playing Raila. vooke, GeeMail, Plato, Empo, hk, Georgesoros, RVtitem- all Ruto lovers and Odinga/Kenyatta haters have hiatused in shame n despair. It merely you and Njuri Ncheke throwing last kicks here.
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Game iko half-time. We have allowed Uhuru to score an own goal with the help of NASA. Once he is done with self-destruction - we will leave Jubilee and it's failure - and start brand new hustler movement. Jubilee as a brand is damaged.
Pundit the man who discovered Jamaica. We miss your makelele n insufferable spins. patel n Kichy need to refit the kid gloves so you can continue to entertain us with they are playing Raila. vooke, GeeMail, Plato, Empo, hk, Georgesoros, RVtitem- all Ruto lovers and Odinga/Kenyatta haters have hiatused in shame n despair. It merely you and Njuri Ncheke throwing last kicks here.
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Raila will milk economic recovery just as Ruto milked Jubilee v1 projects in mashinani. By 2022 Ruto will be bitter Kiongozi ya Upinzani associated with maandamano and agitations. Nothing signals Wanjiku or Akinyi can see beyond her nose when it comes to handouts. Ruto small loot cannot compete with GoK budget and post-COVID stimuluses.
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What happens if say recall of Nyoro or Ngunjiri kicks in? Will Ruto strategically retreat or fight?
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Uhuru is shitting bricks.. The guy is terrified his karata appear to lock him out now they are telling him no way he will be reelected even for PM. now they want to give that seat to younger bro muhoho,bad idea all kenyattas 2022 will be redundant. Eti the addict new slogan is "tukose wote na ruto"
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I told you guys, Aden Nduare going nowehre. The man has become a fencesitter. The rest who were kicked out have little political clout like that guy from Western and Susan Mbarire.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-06-02-duale-survives-uhurus-axe-on-rutos-allies/
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Look like Ruto has deflated Uhuru by agreeing to his changes. You cannot rape someone who is too willing according to Kiraitu. That should save the country all the illegalities and short-cuts.
Next is cabinet re-shuffle.
Uhuru has been given the leeway to do whatever he wants to do in the next 2yrs.
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President Kenyatta chairs Jubilee Coalition Parliamentary Group Meeting
President Uhuru Kenyatta today at State House, Nairobi chaired a Jubilee Coalition National Assembly Parliamentary Group (PG) meeting in his capacity as the Coalition's Party Leader.
The meeting was attended by Deputy President Dr William Ruto who is also the Jubilee Coalition's Deputy Party Leader, Party Secretary General Raphael Tuju and a total of 212 Members of Parliament.
Today's Parliamentary Group meeting endorsed Hon Justin B Muturi to continue serving as the Speaker of the National Assembly, Hon Moses Cheboi to continue serving as the Deputy Speaker, Hon Adan Duale to continue serving as the Majority Leader in the National Assembly, and Hon Jimmy Angwenyi to continue serving as the Deputy Majority Leader.
The Parliamentary Group meeting replaced Hon Benjamin Washiali as the Majority Whip with Hon Emmanuel Wangwe. Hon Cecily Mbarire was replaced by Hon Richard Maoka Maore as the Deputy Whip.
Further, the Party Leader appointed Hon Amos Kimunya to serve as the Secretary of the Jubilee Coalition Joint Parliamentary Group.
Kanze Dena Mararo
Spokesperson
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What about committees? Ichung’wa, Kuria and shebang won't survive. Duale of course has dumped Ruto.
President Kenyatta chairs Jubilee Coalition Parliamentary Group Meeting
President Uhuru Kenyatta today at State House, Nairobi chaired a Jubilee Coalition National Assembly Parliamentary Group (PG) meeting in his capacity as the Coalition's Party Leader.
The meeting was attended by Deputy President Dr William Ruto who is also the Jubilee Coalition's Deputy Party Leader, Party Secretary General Raphael Tuju and a total of 212 Members of Parliament.
Today's Parliamentary Group meeting endorsed Hon Justin B Muturi to continue serving as the Speaker of the National Assembly, Hon Moses Cheboi to continue serving as the Deputy Speaker, Hon Adan Duale to continue serving as the Majority Leader in the National Assembly, and Hon Jimmy Angwenyi to continue serving as the Deputy Majority Leader.
The Parliamentary Group meeting replaced Hon Benjamin Washiali as the Majority Whip with Hon Emmanuel Wangwe. Hon Cecily Mbarire was replaced by Hon Richard Maoka Maore as the Deputy Whip.
Further, the Party Leader appointed Hon Amos Kimunya to serve as the Secretary of the Jubilee Coalition Joint Parliamentary Group.
Kanze Dena Mararo
Spokesperson
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Uhuru will decide who he wants to witch-hunt but it appears Ruto has played this smartly.He needed timeout because Uhuru was coming with heavy under the belt punches.If this was Raila...he would have been TKOed.Now Uhuru is relieved because he doesn't have to enter coalition agreement with likes of CCM with two mps.He has proven he is not lameduck yet.Now he can make final cabinet changes and we wait for BBI.All that Ruto need is to play time.He now need to keep dodging the punches including hugging Uhuru most of the time.. survive long enough until mid 21 when Uhuru will become lameduck officially..and the chips can fall whenever
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But BBI2 is coming and it will be near impossible to hug Uhuru. If he changes term limits via PM. Even if he doesn't- Ruto will find it super difficult to maintain any GEMA due to the intimidation. Seems he has been banned from rallies there or anywhere.
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Duale is on probation for few days to recant Ruto support... Kositany exposes him live on TV