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Title: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: RV Pundit on May 22, 2020, 09:57:36 AM
Look like this Baite Murume is ready to roll.

Gov will no longer set maize price and NCPB will become commercial wing.

KTDA and Tea auction up for some serious reforms.

THESE ARE THE KIND OF REFORMS WE NEED.

Not Raila BBI BBI NONSENSE.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/economy/new-tea-regulations-sent-to-AG-office/3946234-5559988-o81tk5z/index.html
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 22, 2020, 01:13:50 PM
Munya is a doer you can't compare what he did as governor to kiraitu who has plundered the county. Munya problem is arrogance. Actually munya won the vote and it is well known kiraitu with Rutos help rigged him out. That beef munya has for Ruto up to date.  Ruto was busy destroying PNU but munya warned him his battles are yet to come very prophetic. The Major threat to Ruto in Meru is Munya.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: RV Pundit on May 22, 2020, 01:35:22 PM
I am starting to pay attention to him now. His arrogance is good to get things moving. Everyone blames Ruto for rigging them - even Martha Karua. Look like Ruto is the new Raila. Munya was not part of Jubilee - he run under PNU - and only the IEBC could have rigged him out.
Munya is a doer you can't compare what he did as governor to kiraitu who has plundered the county. Munya problem is arrogance. Actually munya won the vote and it is well known kiraitu with Rutos help rigged him out. That beef munya has for Ruto up to date.  Ruto was busy destroying PNU but munya warned him his battles are yet to come very prophetic. The Major threat to Ruto in Meru is Munya.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 22, 2020, 01:50:55 PM
Well the truth is Ruto was behind his woes at PNU and loss to Kiraitu. That side Munya can work and good thing about him he put people at heart during his time as governor most positions including cleaners and park attendants were Tigania. Tigania never enjoyed power like they did under Munya Imentis were pissed big time. And even now as trade CS he gave enough Tigania in the boards. They call him Laingo in Rural Tigania,i think meaning champion sic? He has now taken the money allocated for miraa 1B and created a sacco which is good stuff because these miraa growers are dunderheads they can't think properly with money they will just squander its. Honestly there are not many bright Tiganias out there.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: RV Pundit on May 22, 2020, 02:31:57 PM
I had a side chick from Tigania - east or west - one where Mpuri come from - and they didn't stand Munya - I guess east v west thing. I really liked that girl - but I was married.
Well the truth is Ruto was behind his woes at PNU and loss to Kiraitu. That side Munya can work and good thing about him he put people at heart during his time as governor most positions including cleaners and park attendants were Tigania. Tigania never enjoyed power like they did under Munya Imentis were pissed big time. And even now as trade CS he gave enough Tigania in the boards. They call him Laingo in Rural Tigania,i think meaning champion sic? He has now taken the money allocated for miraa 1B and created a sacco which is good stuff because these miraa growers are dunderheads they can't think properly with money they will just squander its. Honestly there are not many bright Tiganias out there.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 22, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
Punda am sure you serviced your rungu and her pot properly which is very normal once mileage has been reached. Tigania girls are sweet they have a kind of body language i saw in nandi women or let me say masaai. Yes Tigania west have an hostility with East they dont see eye to eye.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: RV Pundit on May 22, 2020, 03:16:56 PM
Yeap, she could pass for a Kalenjin; I think titania are mixed with Maasai :) - and she had a good heart.
Punda am sure you serviced your rungu and her pot properly which is very normal once mileage has been reached. Tigania girls are sweet they have a kind of body language i saw in nandi women or let me say masaai. Yes Tigania west have an hostility with East they dont see eye to eye.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: KenyanPlato on May 22, 2020, 08:20:35 PM
Pundit
I will post a response by a very young brilliant Nandi lawyer on this reforms. Munya actually went with very soft reforms on Tea sector. What is happening is that farmers are getting mislead. I am not sure what John Kamau and Daily nation want to achieve by spreading halfbaked accussations against KTDA. My dad was one of the fist directors of our local tea factory after reforms in 200s.. I think it was Tea act of 1999 or so. Activists led and funded by Njehu Gatabaki formed a union and they wanted KTDA to be dismantled and our factory to move away from KTDA. There were a lot of falsehoods. One of the famous was the Retained earning (funds set aside for future factory expansion, emergency boiler repairs etc was money that needed to be distributed to farmers. My dad having being a banker canvassed the issue and realized it was misinformation. He convinced the farmers that this was a non issue. However on the AGM the union ambushed the directors at the meeting and had a group planning to walk off until they got the money.. So they asked my dad was the chairman to sign off on the escrow account to be distributed. He told them over his dead body. after the meeting all those farmers who were on the sideline actually started asking themselve why would a man who had to ever been inlvovled in corruption want to put his life on the line unless he was convinced that it was the wrong to spend the money. The next AGM all farmers revolted against the union and that was the end of that mess. when election time came Njehu lost. My point is that most of the accussations against KTDA are falsehoods and lack of understanding of KTDA role in the Tea market.. the private auctions are necessary all the private factories have contracts with KTDA to buy tea leaves from them at certain prices .. this relationship predates the reforms of 2000, the 2.5 % fee is not that high,, usually management fees start at 3.5%

Anyway we need to educate farmers about the overproduction of tea all over the world and the need to control supply and explore other markets in Africa .. I think we can get markets in West Africa, the burgers there drink cocoa instead of tea and coffee
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: KenyanPlato on May 22, 2020, 08:28:12 PM
Here is the video by KTDA lawyer

Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: RV Pundit on May 22, 2020, 08:45:02 PM
I agree. I have seen many small private factories in our place, really struggle against KTDA. Even the multinationals cannot match KTDA. Like you say the problem is overproduction and probably bulk sales. Maybe we need to bite the bullet and outlaw bulk sales...and start packaging tea for those markets outside kenya...like SriLanka did. Kenya already has market leadership - and if we say - we ain't selling bulk tea...then it will be nice.

But reforms however bad are necessary. Just like KTDA changed to Kenya Tea Agency.

Pundit
I will post a response by a very young brilliant Nandi lawyer on this reforms. Munya actually went with very soft reforms on Tea sector. What is happening is that farmers are getting mislead. I am not sure what John Kamau and Daily nation want to achieve by spreading halfbaked accussations against KTDA. My dad was one of the fist directors of our local tea factory after reforms in 200s.. I think it was Tea act of 1999 or so. Activists led and funded by Njehu Gatabaki formed a union and they wanted KTDA to be dismantled and our factory to move away from KTDA. There were a lot of falsehoods. One of the famous was the Retained earning (funds set aside for future factory expansion, emergency boiler repairs etc was money that needed to be distributed to farmers. My dad having being a banker canvassed the issue and realized it was misinformation. He convinced the farmers that this was a non issue. However on the AGM the union ambushed the directors at the meeting and had a group planning to walk off until they got the money.. So they asked my dad was the chairman to sign off on the escrow account to be distributed. He told them over his dead body. after the meeting all those farmers who were on the sideline actually started asking themselve why would a man who had to ever been inlvovled in corruption want to put his life on the line unless he was convinced that it was the wrong to spend the money. The next AGM all farmers revolted against the union and that was the end of that mess. when election time came Njehu lost. My point is that most of the accussations against KTDA are falsehoods and lack of understanding of KTDA role in the Tea market.. the private auctions are necessary all the private factories have contracts with KTDA to buy tea leaves from them at certain prices .. this relationship predates the reforms of 2000, the 2.5 % fee is not that high,, usually management fees start at 3.5%

Anyway we need to educate farmers about the overproduction of tea all over the world and the need to control supply and explore other markets in Africa .. I think we can get markets in West Africa, the burgers there drink cocoa instead of tea and coffee
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: KenyanPlato on May 22, 2020, 09:23:19 PM
KTDA has the infrastructure.. I think what it needs is more strengthning and help for trade and industry ministry to look for more markets and increase local consumption. We need to go for ice teas and other variations especially for the hot areas of Kenya like coast
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 22, 2020, 09:32:16 PM
Munya is okay. Former ktda boss now dead. Owned imenti house became a billionaire out of poor tea farmers money. Change is needed and anyway kenya of today everyone does what extent of their power reaches.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: hk on May 24, 2020, 12:19:12 PM
Pundit
I will post a response by a very young brilliant Nandi lawyer on this reforms. Munya actually went with very soft reforms on Tea sector. What is happening is that farmers are getting mislead. I am not sure what John Kamau and Daily nation want to achieve by spreading halfbaked accussations against KTDA. My dad was one of the fist directors of our local tea factory after reforms in 200s.. I think it was Tea act of 1999 or so. Activists led and funded by Njehu Gatabaki formed a union and they wanted KTDA to be dismantled and our factory to move away from KTDA. There were a lot of falsehoods. One of the famous was the Retained earning (funds set aside for future factory expansion, emergency boiler repairs etc was money that needed to be distributed to farmers. My dad having being a banker canvassed the issue and realized it was misinformation. He convinced the farmers that this was a non issue. However on the AGM the union ambushed the directors at the meeting and had a group planning to walk off until they got the money.. So they asked my dad was the chairman to sign off on the escrow account to be distributed. He told them over his dead body. after the meeting all those farmers who were on the sideline actually started asking themselve why would a man who had to ever been inlvovled in corruption want to put his life on the line unless he was convinced that it was the wrong to spend the money. The next AGM all farmers revolted against the union and that was the end of that mess. when election time came Njehu lost. My point is that most of the accussations against KTDA are falsehoods and lack of understanding of KTDA role in the Tea market.. the private auctions are necessary all the private factories have contracts with KTDA to buy tea leaves from them at certain prices .. this relationship predates the reforms of 2000, the 2.5 % fee is not that high,, usually management fees start at 3.5%

Anyway we need to educate farmers about the overproduction of tea all over the world and the need to control supply and explore other markets in Africa .. I think we can get markets in West Africa, the burgers there drink cocoa instead of tea and coffee
Some of the proposals are completely misplaced. The proposals are meant to get Tea brokers more earnings by handling all the Tea sales. Government shouldn't be forcing tea producers to sell via auction or direct sales. In addition there's a proposal to limit the number of factories a broker can represent, this is meant to give new brokers business.  Tea used locally is taxed(vatable) while export isn't, this should be addressed to encourage local value addition.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: hk on September 12, 2020, 08:45:16 AM
Munya is clueless, cooperatives don't need to be saddled with whopping 5.7b debt https://nation.africa/kenya/news/kenya-seeks-sh5-7bn-to-boost-800-coffee-firms-1937246 . Cooperatives are collapsing as new aggregators come up with new business models. The least and only thing to do is liberalize the sector. Once members abandon cooperatives who's going to pay that debt that for sure will be stolen?
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: gout on September 14, 2020, 12:53:36 PM
Kiunjuri laid down the legal framework. He put in quite some work despite the outright frustrations.

Once he started running with the water pans, Irrigation was moved back to Water Ministry. :D :D :D

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-08-24-kiunjuri-suffers-blow-as-irrigation-docket-moved-to-water-ministry/

In 2013 they said Uhuru said he was improving efficiency by moving it to Agriculture.

https://nation.africa/kenya/business/irrigation-now-moved-to-agriculture-ministry--894856
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: hk on September 15, 2020, 09:26:30 AM
Kiunjuri laid down the legal framework. He put in quite some work despite the outright frustrations.

Once he started running with the water pans, Irrigation was moved back to Water Ministry. :D :D :D

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-08-24-kiunjuri-suffers-blow-as-irrigation-docket-moved-to-water-ministry/

In 2013 they said Uhuru said he was improving efficiency by moving it to Agriculture.

https://nation.africa/kenya/business/irrigation-now-moved-to-agriculture-ministry--894856
Which framework? Kiunjuri was just plain incompetent. The guy had a chance to reform agriculture by limiting government involvement in it. It's during his tenure that government had ridiculous proposals like banning animal manure  https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001318765/state-introduces-punitive-regulations-for-farmers
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on September 15, 2020, 01:14:14 PM
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/counties/Bidco-set-to-buy-Sh120m-sunflower-seeds-meru/4003142-5623166-n9w3ol/index.html
Munya doing some good stuff on the home front.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: RV Pundit on September 15, 2020, 04:58:41 PM
Munya has got nothing to do with it Sir. It's Bidco and that guy with his NGO.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/counties/Bidco-set-to-buy-Sh120m-sunflower-seeds-meru/4003142-5623166-n9w3ol/index.html
Munya doing some good stuff on the home front.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: hk on September 18, 2020, 07:53:20 AM
Munya has got nothing to do with it Sir. It's Bidco and that guy with his NGO.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/counties/Bidco-set-to-buy-Sh120m-sunflower-seeds-meru/4003142-5623166-n9w3ol/index.html
Munya doing some good stuff on the home front.
Kenya has become a regional edible oil manufacturer power house. However that reign is tenuous cause Kenya imports most of the raw materials. Western and part of eastern can produce the raw materials to create a fully integrated industry.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: KenyanPlato on September 18, 2020, 03:32:45 PM
I was surprised that bidco imports everything rv and areas like turbo can be used to produce sunflower
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: gout on September 18, 2020, 04:20:03 PM
Continuity in governments is through the procedures, regulations, draft laws and such which is long winding processes. Munya just got the money unlocked and the political goodwill. If KTDA turn is anything to go, he has a clear hatchet job - maybe target ain't KTDA but KCC.

Take Water Sector- we are still implementing and benefitting from Karua brief stint at the Ministry. She laid brilliant water reforms- pushed through some and many others require billion dollars funding.

Kiunjuri laid down the legal framework. He put in quite some work despite the outright frustrations.

Once he started running with the water pans, Irrigation was moved back to Water Ministry. :D :D :D

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-08-24-kiunjuri-suffers-blow-as-irrigation-docket-moved-to-water-ministry/

In 2013 they said Uhuru said he was improving efficiency by moving it to Agriculture.

https://nation.africa/kenya/business/irrigation-now-moved-to-agriculture-ministry--894856
Which framework? Kiunjuri was just plain incompetent. The guy had a chance to reform agriculture by limiting government involvement in it. It's during his tenure that government had ridiculous proposals like banning animal manure  https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001318765/state-introduces-punitive-regulations-for-farmers
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: Nefertiti on October 28, 2020, 12:01:53 AM
I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: RV Pundit on October 28, 2020, 12:52:19 AM
Yes once he revealed his real evil intention to take back KTDA to gov - it was over for those reforms. Tea farmers, I included, (although I gave up my tea farm to my bro recently), will never go back to pre-liberazation era. People thought Munya was interested in reforming KTDA - not fighting KTDA and taking it back to ministry of agricluture - where he can control it. Most politician are envious of KTDA handling 70B Kshs annually plus. They wish they could lay their hand on KTDA - so they can make money from all fertilizers, procurements and deals KTDA engage in - which are in billions kshs annuall.

It's like BBI - once kenya saw imperial presidency - you can bet your last dollar - it's dead on arrival. Hiyo ni nyoka and Raila captured it well. Umetoa Moi pangoni.

I mean people were really sick and tired of moi 90s. You can see Unfair and Imbalanced is yet to recover. KenyaPlatos is totaly messed up by Moi. I bet he has nightmares.

Moi really messed up kenya in 90s. And Ruto is coming to right those wrongs :)

Before 90s - kenyans were not conditioned to for example finishing high school and not finding a job. But now after 30yrs - the current generation - don't feel any bitterness when they don't find opportunities after school . In the 90s - people felt betrayed by gov and society.

I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: Nefertiti on October 28, 2020, 10:49:10 AM
Digression... anyway Mobutu base of millennials don't know anything about Moi. Older folks 35+ don't support Mobutu.. they don't appreciate his ukora and naive solutions. Especially in Gema the followers he had before fallout is youths - jobless, underemployed who fall for wheelbarrow propaganda. These are the ones targeted by tax holiday and BBI goodies.

Munya has poor leadership - very confrontational which is bad for CS level. When Njukis, Kimemias, Oparanyas gang up despite their own political differences just know things are bad. Agric is one of the successful devolved functions- unlike medical - so it moronic to centralize it. I credit this success to the localized, proprietary nature of farming- unlike nurses or teachers who are employees so greed and selfishness take over.

Yes once he revealed his real evil intention to take back KTDA to gov - it was over for those reforms. Tea farmers, I included, (although I gave up my tea farm to my bro recently), will never go back to pre-liberazation era. People thought Munya was interested in reforming KTDA - not fighting KTDA and taking it back to ministry of agricluture - where he can control it. Most politician are envious of KTDA handling 70B Kshs annually plus. They wish they could lay their hand on KTDA - so they can make money from all fertilizers, procurements and deals KTDA engage in - which are in billions kshs annuall.

It's like BBI - once kenya saw imperial presidency - you can bet your last dollar - it's dead on arrival. Hiyo ni nyoka and Raila captured it well. Umetoa Moi pangoni.

I mean people were really sick and tired of moi 90s. You can see Unfair and Imbalanced is yet to recover. KenyaPlatos is totaly messed up by Moi. I bet he has nightmares.

Moi really messed up kenya in 90s. And Ruto is coming to right those wrongs :)

Before 90s - kenyans were not conditioned to for example finishing high school and not finding a job. But now after 30yrs - the current generation - don't feel any bitterness when they don't find opportunities after school . In the 90s - people felt betrayed by gov and society.

I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: RV Pundit on October 28, 2020, 10:50:55 AM
Of all the youth problems - you actually think TAX HOLIDAY and HELB loan is their priority. WHAT HELL IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN.

This is why Ruto and Hustler Nations are just winning unopposed.

You guys have totally lost it. You're completely out of touch with reality.

What is tax holiday to 99% of Kenyans. My friend those are stuff you invite foreign investors with - not Kenya youths - who have NILL returns and taxes to pay.

SIMPLE maths...0% times tax holiday is ZERO NADA.

That 1) somebody sat down and thought tax holiday was brilliant idea and 2) that you parrot it too - is just proof - that you're twice the idiot.

Ruto is targetting people with wheelbarrows and they love it. Go to real KENYA. Dynasties kweli.

Less than 3M out of maybe 25M adults kenya pay income tax..actually maybe less than 2M...only about 3M care to file their tax returns...out there are 20M plus who don't know what tax holiday is :)  :D or HELB loan.

Digression... anyway Mobutu base of millennials don't know anything about Moi. Older folks 35+ don't support Mobutu.. they don't appreciate his ukora and naive solutions. Especially in Gema the followers he had before fallout is youths - jobless, underemployed who fall for wheelbarrow propaganda. These are the ones targeted by tax holiday and BBI goodies.

Munya has poor leadership - very confrontational which is bad for CS level. When Njukis, Kimemias, Oparanyas gang up despite their own political differences just know things are bad. Agric is one of the successful devolved functions- unlike medical - so it moronic to centralize it. I credit this success to the localized, proprietary nature of farming- unlike nurses or teachers who are employees so greed and selfishness take over.

Yes once he revealed his real evil intention to take back KTDA to gov - it was over for those reforms. Tea farmers, I included, (although I gave up my tea farm to my bro recently), will never go back to pre-liberazation era. People thought Munya was interested in reforming KTDA - not fighting KTDA and taking it back to ministry of agricluture - where he can control it. Most politician are envious of KTDA handling 70B Kshs annually plus. They wish they could lay their hand on KTDA - so they can make money from all fertilizers, procurements and deals KTDA engage in - which are in billions kshs annuall.

It's like BBI - once kenya saw imperial presidency - you can bet your last dollar - it's dead on arrival. Hiyo ni nyoka and Raila captured it well. Umetoa Moi pangoni.

I mean people were really sick and tired of moi 90s. You can see Unfair and Imbalanced is yet to recover. KenyaPlatos is totaly messed up by Moi. I bet he has nightmares.

Moi really messed up kenya in 90s. And Ruto is coming to right those wrongs :)

Before 90s - kenyans were not conditioned to for example finishing high school and not finding a job. But now after 30yrs - the current generation - don't feel any bitterness when they don't find opportunities after school . In the 90s - people felt betrayed by gov and society.

I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: Nefertiti on October 28, 2020, 11:53:07 AM
Get off the high horse. You start from high unreachable pedestal aka HUBRIS - about hustler wave - which unproven nonsense. Raila has had massive crowds since Rainbow days - Matiba before that - where folks were lynching cops and blaming Moi for drought, flood, malaria, cheating spouse and all problems.

CROWDS are not useful. Heck Jesus had mega crowds - doing live miracles - and still get hanged and in lieu a thief saved. :) Debe is better. And right now your "widely popular" idol is afraid to face Uhuru. Your opinion is not reality - hio iko kwa news sio nipate.

Get off the echo chamber... back to punditry. There is fresh air out here.

Of all the youth problems - you actually think TAX HOLIDAY and HELB loan is their priority. WHAT HELL IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN.

This is why Ruto and Hustler Nations are just winning unopposed.

You guys have totally lost it. You're completely out of touch with reality.

What is tax holiday to 99% of Kenyans. My friend those are stuff you invite foreign investors with - not Kenya youths - who have NILL returns and taxes to pay.

SIMPLE maths...0% times tax holiday is ZERO NADA.

That 1) somebody sat down and thought tax holiday was brilliant idea and 2) that you parrot it too - is just proof - that you're twice the idiot.

Ruto is targetting people with wheelbarrows and they love it. Go to real KENYA. Dynasties kweli.

Less than 3M out of maybe 25M adults kenya pay income tax..actually maybe less than 2M...only about 3M care to file their tax returns...out there are 20M plus who don't know what tax holiday is :)  :D or HELB loan.

Digression... anyway Mobutu base of millennials don't know anything about Moi. Older folks 35+ don't support Mobutu.. they don't appreciate his ukora and naive solutions. Especially in Gema the followers he had before fallout is youths - jobless, underemployed who fall for wheelbarrow propaganda. These are the ones targeted by tax holiday and BBI goodies.

Munya has poor leadership - very confrontational which is bad for CS level. When Njukis, Kimemias, Oparanyas gang up despite their own political differences just know things are bad. Agric is one of the successful devolved functions- unlike medical - so it moronic to centralize it. I credit this success to the localized, proprietary nature of farming- unlike nurses or teachers who are employees so greed and selfishness take over.

Yes once he revealed his real evil intention to take back KTDA to gov - it was over for those reforms. Tea farmers, I included, (although I gave up my tea farm to my bro recently), will never go back to pre-liberazation era. People thought Munya was interested in reforming KTDA - not fighting KTDA and taking it back to ministry of agricluture - where he can control it. Most politician are envious of KTDA handling 70B Kshs annually plus. They wish they could lay their hand on KTDA - so they can make money from all fertilizers, procurements and deals KTDA engage in - which are in billions kshs annuall.

It's like BBI - once kenya saw imperial presidency - you can bet your last dollar - it's dead on arrival. Hiyo ni nyoka and Raila captured it well. Umetoa Moi pangoni.

I mean people were really sick and tired of moi 90s. You can see Unfair and Imbalanced is yet to recover. KenyaPlatos is totaly messed up by Moi. I bet he has nightmares.

Moi really messed up kenya in 90s. And Ruto is coming to right those wrongs :)

Before 90s - kenyans were not conditioned to for example finishing high school and not finding a job. But now after 30yrs - the current generation - don't feel any bitterness when they don't find opportunities after school . In the 90s - people felt betrayed by gov and society.

I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: Nefertiti on October 28, 2020, 11:58:58 AM
Anyway this Munya reforms thread let take politics to BBI thread.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: RV Pundit on October 28, 2020, 01:07:49 PM
Raila just needed to finish - and he failed. Otherwise he has been pretty close for 3 elections after winning a referendum in 2005 and leading Kibaki victory in 2002.

Finishing is the problem because of his naivety, laziness and disorganization. To score 45% out 50% plus one is 90% - very good - but not enough - you need 100%.

Raila had 2013 for taking. He should have treated Ruto right. Ruto was near Raila equal in contribution to ODM. But he chose weak maDVD over WSR. WSR was happy to make some progress - wait for 10 years after Raila is done - then inherit that kingdom.

Raila also had 2007 - if he had handled Kalonzo problem better.

Watch Ruto nick it. Ruto works twice hard, think twice hard and organize twice better than Raila.

It's reason why his wheelbarrow movement has pinned the dynasties on the wall - they are dazed, confused and scared.

Eti we are giving youth tax holiday :) - what hell does that mean to average kenyan youth - and you wonder why they want Ruto pikipiki and wheelbarrow.

Go dish out tax holidays and helb loan...and see how far you go.

Get off the high horse. You start from high unreachable pedestal aka HUBRIS - about hustler wave - which unproven nonsense. Raila has had massive crowds since Rainbow days - Matiba before that - where folks were lynching cops and blaming Moi for drought, flood, malaria, cheating spouse and all problems.

CROWDS are not useful. Heck Jesus had mega crowds - doing live miracles - and still get hanged and in lieu a thief saved. :) Debe is better. And right now your "widely popular" idol is afraid to face Uhuru. Your opinion is not reality - hio iko kwa news sio nipate.

Get off the echo chamber... back to punditry. There is fresh air out here.

Of all the youth problems - you actually think TAX HOLIDAY and HELB loan is their priority. WHAT HELL IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN.

This is why Ruto and Hustler Nations are just winning unopposed.

You guys have totally lost it. You're completely out of touch with reality.

What is tax holiday to 99% of Kenyans. My friend those are stuff you invite foreign investors with - not Kenya youths - who have NILL returns and taxes to pay.

SIMPLE maths...0% times tax holiday is ZERO NADA.

That 1) somebody sat down and thought tax holiday was brilliant idea and 2) that you parrot it too - is just proof - that you're twice the idiot.

Ruto is targetting people with wheelbarrows and they love it. Go to real KENYA. Dynasties kweli.

Less than 3M out of maybe 25M adults kenya pay income tax..actually maybe less than 2M...only about 3M care to file their tax returns...out there are 20M plus who don't know what tax holiday is :)  :D or HELB loan.

Digression... anyway Mobutu base of millennials don't know anything about Moi. Older folks 35+ don't support Mobutu.. they don't appreciate his ukora and naive solutions. Especially in Gema the followers he had before fallout is youths - jobless, underemployed who fall for wheelbarrow propaganda. These are the ones targeted by tax holiday and BBI goodies.

Munya has poor leadership - very confrontational which is bad for CS level. When Njukis, Kimemias, Oparanyas gang up despite their own political differences just know things are bad. Agric is one of the successful devolved functions- unlike medical - so it moronic to centralize it. I credit this success to the localized, proprietary nature of farming- unlike nurses or teachers who are employees so greed and selfishness take over.

Yes once he revealed his real evil intention to take back KTDA to gov - it was over for those reforms. Tea farmers, I included, (although I gave up my tea farm to my bro recently), will never go back to pre-liberazation era. People thought Munya was interested in reforming KTDA - not fighting KTDA and taking it back to ministry of agricluture - where he can control it. Most politician are envious of KTDA handling 70B Kshs annually plus. They wish they could lay their hand on KTDA - so they can make money from all fertilizers, procurements and deals KTDA engage in - which are in billions kshs annuall.

It's like BBI - once kenya saw imperial presidency - you can bet your last dollar - it's dead on arrival. Hiyo ni nyoka and Raila captured it well. Umetoa Moi pangoni.

I mean people were really sick and tired of moi 90s. You can see Unfair and Imbalanced is yet to recover. KenyaPlatos is totaly messed up by Moi. I bet he has nightmares.

Moi really messed up kenya in 90s. And Ruto is coming to right those wrongs :)

Before 90s - kenyans were not conditioned to for example finishing high school and not finding a job. But now after 30yrs - the current generation - don't feel any bitterness when they don't find opportunities after school . In the 90s - people felt betrayed by gov and society.

I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: Nefertiti on October 28, 2020, 08:33:35 PM
What % of youth have received a wheelbarrow? At least loaners are 3%.

Raila just needed to finish - and he failed. Otherwise he has been pretty close for 3 elections after winning a referendum in 2005 and leading Kibaki victory in 2002.

Finishing is the problem because of his naivety, laziness and disorganization. To score 45% out 50% plus one is 90% - very good - but not enough - you need 100%.

Raila had 2013 for taking. He should have treated Ruto right. Ruto was near Raila equal in contribution to ODM. But he chose weak maDVD over WSR. WSR was happy to make some progress - wait for 10 years after Raila is done - then inherit that kingdom.

Raila also had 2007 - if he had handled Kalonzo problem better.

Watch Ruto nick it. Ruto works twice hard, think twice hard and organize twice better than Raila.

It's reason why his wheelbarrow movement has pinned the dynasties on the wall - they are dazed, confused and scared.

Eti we are giving youth tax holiday :) - what hell does that mean to average kenyan youth - and you wonder why they want Ruto pikipiki and wheelbarrow.

Go dish out tax holidays and helb loan...and see how far you go.
Title: Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
Post by: RV Pundit on October 28, 2020, 08:48:51 PM
It a gesture they appreciate. They don't need to receive anything. They need someone who identity with their problems and can find a solution. But BBI crew with tax holiday and helb loan are just stupidooooo.

Tax holiday :) surely. Nobody pays any tax period when they are broke and jobless - and engage in informal business. Unless they have business exceeding 5m in revenues. Those are like 1% of the youths. The rest don't even know what tax is - they get hit indirectly.

University graduate (3%)- and nobody bother with HELB  - I am yet to finish mine - nearly 20yrs later. Whether they make it 10 or 20 yr holiday - people pay when they have to - or are forced to.

So to be very fair BBI - are targetting at best 4% of the youths - the rest are hustlers - who need practical solutions.

What % of youth have received a wheelbarrow? At least loaners are 3%.