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Title: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: KenyanPlato on May 21, 2020, 06:55:48 PM
I told you Ruto will end up with his skull burried in his enemies territory like that Nandi Resitance guy .. I forgot his name

I think your boy is a certified lunatic

He needs to stop toying with the govt or he will be whacked

Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: RV Pundit on May 21, 2020, 07:09:24 PM
How far? In 2002 - when I was new - I heard how Ruto and Kalenjin will be locked up by NARC  and forced into exile.
2007 - Ruto aka Kabuga was dead man walking?
Now in 2020 - if you tell your mother what you're saying - she'll beat you up :) again.

Ruto ni kijana ako na bidii sana.

His opponent are very lazy.

Nandi resistance guy Samoei Koitatel gave the Britsh hell for like 15yrs.

Then British told me they were gonna sign an agreement to leave Nandi as independent territory like Swaziland or Lesotho.

Only for him to be killed in cold blood.

Assassinating Ruto boss is tempting fate - Kalenjin population has grown and yet the youths are not ready to join the slums of cities and work in the industrial area.

Don't play with fire.


I told you Ruto will end up with his skull burried in his enemies territory like that Nandi Resitance guy .. I forgot his name

I think your boy is a certified lunatic

He needs to stop toying with the govt or he will be whacked

Assassinating Ruto is like Kagame shooting down Habyarimana plane down - that will automatically lead to many many deaths.

Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: KenyanPlato on May 21, 2020, 07:12:30 PM
How far? In 2002 - when I was new - I heard how Ruto and Kalenjin will be locked up by NARC  and forced into exile.
2007 - Ruto aka Kabuga was dead man walking?
Now in 2020 - if you tell your mother what you're saying - she'll beat you up :) again.
I told you Ruto will end up with his skull burried in his enemies territory like that Nandi Resitance guy .. I forgot his name

I think your boy is a certified lunatic

He needs to stop toying with the govt or he will be whacked



No I have been of the opinion that his madness will lead him to a drive by shoot out with enemies and he will be killed. You see how akina Ng'eno is that his name have suffered. Before COVID, Ruto MPS in RV were eating viboko and tear gas every other week
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: RV Pundit on May 21, 2020, 07:15:55 PM
Ngeno - iko na vita yake na wamaasai. Maasai are going through 7 stages of accepting Narok is gone to Kipsigis. Ngeno is not really Ruto kind of guy - but now he wants to become governor in Narok - and he need Ruto.

As for Ruto - he has two unique qualities - hard work and intelligence - and courage of course.

So don't think you're facing maDVD or Kalonzo - you're facing a younger Raila.

No I have been of the opinion that his madness will lead him to a drive by shoot out with enemies and he will be killed. You see how akina Ng'eno is that his name have suffered. Before COVID, Ruto MPS in RV were eating viboko and tear gas every other week
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: KenyanPlato on May 21, 2020, 07:31:02 PM
Ngeno - iko na vita yake na wamaasai. Maasai are going through 7 stages of accepting Narok is gone to Kipsigis. Ngeno is not really Ruto kind of guy - but now he wants to become governor in Narok - and he need Ruto.

As for Ruto - he has two unique qualities - hard work and intelligence - and courage of course.

So don't think you're facing maDVD or Kalonzo - you're facing a younger Raila.

No I have been of the opinion that his madness will lead him to a drive by shoot out with enemies and he will be killed. You see how akina Ng'eno is that his name have suffered. Before COVID, Ruto MPS in RV were eating viboko and tear gas every other week

Young raila was reckless. He almost got use Killed when he was fighting Wamalwa. During Goldenberg investigations Wamalwa got paid to clear Kamlesh. Wamalwa organized to host a press conference hapo juu ya Muthaiga on your way to Kiambu road. My bro had a Nissan. Some guys approached us to rent the nissan to take them to the press conference to disrupt it. wow ile mawe ilimwagika hapo thika road was legendary. We fled and left those Obohos fighting police hapo
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: Kichwa on May 21, 2020, 10:15:00 PM
Ruto is NOT too smart.  He had this thing bagged if he did not get too greedy and too impatient.  Ame rogwa. Why did he have to buy all these MP's and then start campaigning  five years before the elections in 2022 when he was an incumbent DP.? And what was all that  dynasty vs. Hustler nation  dig at Ouru supposed to be about. He was poking the dynasty right in the eye and then when dynasty hits back, he is now crying like a little girl.  He should have shut up, and played stupid like Moi did and  he would now be looking forward to inheriting the Gema vote with Ouru's blessings. Thats all water under the bridge now.  He only has himself to blame.

Ngeno - iko na vita yake na wamaasai. Maasai are going through 7 stages of accepting Narok is gone to Kipsigis. Ngeno is not really Ruto kind of guy - but now he wants to become governor in Narok - and he need Ruto.

As for Ruto - he has two unique qualities - hard work and intelligence - and courage of course.

So don't think you're facing maDVD or Kalonzo - you're facing a younger Raila.

No I have been of the opinion that his madness will lead him to a drive by shoot out with enemies and he will be killed. You see how akina Ng'eno is that his name have suffered. Before COVID, Ruto MPS in RV were eating viboko and tear gas every other week
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: KenyanPlato on May 21, 2020, 10:33:00 PM
That Ng'eno guy is something else. Will he win the seat of Governor? Does he have the numbers? If not won't he be killed? So in the Kalenjin nation which tribe evicts Kikuyus? Nandis? Kipsigis? Or both
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: Nefertiti on May 22, 2020, 01:15:28 AM
Ruto is definitely hardworking with excess testosterone. Generates enough energy to run around everywhere ala Moi. He is an articulate demagogue and makes for an excellent Kiongozi ya Upinzani.

No, he is not smart but HARE-BRAINED - clever but lacks wisdom. See how he is openly overambitious. Ungroomed and unable to hide his greed - playing Baba Nyayo 40 years out of tune - he basically spills the elite secret and exposes them to public anger by his bloodmoney generosity. Ruto democratizes graft which makes him incompatible with the oligarchy. They all invariably see him as an ill-bred unwashed outsider.

Raila had these qualities of hubris, naive activism, revolutionary, equality & justice, etc - which locked him out over the years. But he has since wizened and joined the club. Kichwa said before: Ruto needs a few losses and teargas lessons to climb that ladder. That nonsense about Hustler Nation will get him nowhere- Matiba, Tsivangirai, Besigye are a complete chapter in the study. In Africa, the oligarchy rules; any seeming “revolution” is simply a critical faction of the elite outteaming their peers and is by definition faux pas.

In life, you can do good or you can do well; Sooner than later they make you choose.

Ruto is NOT too smart.  He had this thing bagged if he did not get too greedy and too impatient.  Ame rogwa. Why did he have to buy all these MP's and then start campaigning  five years before the elections in 2022 when he was an incumbent DP.? And what was all that  dynasty vs. Hustler nation  dig at Ouru supposed to be about. He was poking the dynasty right in the eye and then when dynasty hits back, he is now crying like a little girl.  He should have shut up, and played stupid like Moi did and  he would now be looking forward to inheriting the Gema vote with Ouru's blessings. Thats all water under the bridge now.  He only has himself to blame.

Ngeno - iko na vita yake na wamaasai. Maasai are going through 7 stages of accepting Narok is gone to Kipsigis. Ngeno is not really Ruto kind of guy - but now he wants to become governor in Narok - and he need Ruto.

As for Ruto - he has two unique qualities - hard work and intelligence - and courage of course.

So don't think you're facing maDVD or Kalonzo - you're facing a younger Raila.

No I have been of the opinion that his madness will lead him to a drive by shoot out with enemies and he will be killed. You see how akina Ng'eno is that his name have suffered. Before COVID, Ruto MPS in RV were eating viboko and tear gas every other week
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: Nefertiti on May 22, 2020, 07:20:41 AM
How Ruto shot himself in the foot
https://standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001372216/how-dp-ruto-shot-himself-in-the-foot


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In chess, there are two kinds of players; the intelligent and the wise. Ruto played the intelligent and Uhuru the wise. An intelligent chess master banks on the queen, which is the most powerful piece that can move in one straight direction capturing the opponent’s pieces with absolute impunity. A wise chess master concentrates on the eight pawns, which although can move in only one direction, each has the potential to be promoted to a queen.
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: RV Pundit on May 22, 2020, 08:19:33 AM
There is no formula to winning PORK; Obama came and won. Trump came and won. Uhuru was endorsed by Moi and he lost. Kibaki had GEMA in 1997 and lost. He won in 2002 just when GEMA had abandoned him - KANU breakaway gave him a huge boost. Kalonzo tried to be meek and all that - didn't go far. Raila has tried 5 times...no chance. Uhuru and Ruto under ICC - we were told were cooked - and kIchwa was here daily talking about Raila having been endorsed - not this time by local deep state alone but also the international deep state led by fellow Luo Obama - and Raila lost - Uhuru won.

Now Ruto who already has won twice as DPORK - is charting his own course. Obviously because he became the hot favorite immediately after 2017 - everyone is trying to slow him down. On their own - they cannot stop Ruto. They have therefore merged into an alliance to try stop him.But as always who will eventually bell the cat? Will all them agree to work against Ruto or as always they will splinter.

Ruto has to keep the fight for GEMA to the very last minute. Deal-making is easy but you can only negotiate from a point of strength

Ruto problem is becoming too popular too soon. That is good problem to have.

Ruto is definitely hardworking with excess testosterone. Generates enough energy to run around everywhere ala Moi. He is an articulate demagogue and makes for an excellent Kiongozi ya Upinzani.

No, he is not smart but HARE-BRAINED - clever but lacks wisdom. See how he is openly overambitious. Ungroomed and unable to hide his greed - playing Baba Nyayo 40 years out of tune - he basically spills the elite secret and exposes them to public anger by his bloodmoney generosity. Ruto democratizes graft which makes him incompatible with the oligarchy. They all invariably see him as an ill-bred unwashed outsider.

Raila had these qualities of hubris, naive activism, revolutionary, equality & justice, etc - which locked him out over the years. But he has since wizened and joined the club. Kichwa said before: Ruto needs a few losses and teargas lessons to climb that ladder. That nonsense about Hustler Nation will get him nowhere- Matiba, Tsivangirai, Besigye are a complete chapter in the study. In Africa, the oligarchy rules; any seeming “revolution” is simply a critical faction of the elite outteaming their peers and is by definition faux pas.

In life, you can do good or you can do well; Sooner than later they make you choose.

Ruto is NOT too smart.  He had this thing bagged if he did not get too greedy and too impatient.  Ame rogwa. Why did he have to buy all these MP's and then start campaigning  five years before the elections in 2022 when he was an incumbent DP.? And what was all that  dynasty vs. Hustler nation  dig at Ouru supposed to be about. He was poking the dynasty right in the eye and then when dynasty hits back, he is now crying like a little girl.  He should have shut up, and played stupid like Moi did and  he would now be looking forward to inheriting the Gema vote with Ouru's blessings. Thats all water under the bridge now.  He only has himself to blame.

Ngeno - iko na vita yake na wamaasai. Maasai are going through 7 stages of accepting Narok is gone to Kipsigis. Ngeno is not really Ruto kind of guy - but now he wants to become governor in Narok - and he need Ruto.

As for Ruto - he has two unique qualities - hard work and intelligence - and courage of course.

So don't think you're facing maDVD or Kalonzo - you're facing a younger Raila.

No I have been of the opinion that his madness will lead him to a drive by shoot out with enemies and he will be killed. You see how akina Ng'eno is that his name have suffered. Before COVID, Ruto MPS in RV were eating viboko and tear gas every other week
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: Nefertiti on May 22, 2020, 09:38:32 AM
I warned you long ago about banking thud GEMA cheque. What is happening to Ruto is akin to political lynching. The parallels you paint don't match; it more like Moi-Njonjo redux. I saw him on YouTube at Sugoi farm tending maize... dude has already cut weight :)
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: RV Pundit on May 22, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
You keep throwing analogies that betray you. Ruto has small problem with Uhuru - but Jubilee party membership are united. Ruto has to negotiate the next 1yr - and then take on Uhuru if he Uhuru will still insist on standing on the way. He should thank COVID-19 because it's going to mess up Uhuru and Raila plans BIG TIME.

So as the gang up against Ruto - COVID-19 is ganging up against them.COVID-19 will make gov unpopular and broke - and will make any referendum talk impossible.

I warned you long ago about banking thud GEMA cheque. What is happening to Ruto is akin to political lynching. The parallels you paint don't match; it more like Moi-Njonjo redux. I saw him on YouTube at Sugoi farm tending maize... dude has already cut weight :)
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: KenyanPlato on May 22, 2020, 04:47:54 PM
Ruto could be impeached next. Uhuru has tasted blood. Uhuru is so nice until he goes crazy. Once his anger is up he can be a beast. Ruto better watch his ass
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: KenyanPlato on May 22, 2020, 04:51:18 PM
Next uhuru should kick our ichungwa and wahome out of jubilee party. Then have their seat declared vacant. After reclaiming the two seats. He can go after a few others
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: RV Pundit on May 22, 2020, 05:28:16 PM
Yes they will attempt it. They have all smelt bold. But good he won't be doing assassination....because Ruto is waving a white flag.
Ruto could be impeached next. Uhuru has tasted blood. Uhuru is so nice until he goes crazy. Once his anger is up he can be a beast. Ruto better watch his ass
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: Nefertiti on May 23, 2020, 09:42:26 AM
Next uhuru should kick our ichungwa and wahome out of jubilee party. Then have their seat declared vacant. After reclaiming the two seats. He can go after a few others

They just need to recall one - likely Bahati Kimani Ngunjiri or Ichung’wa. The rest will scutter with tail between the legs. In Kikuyu Central no one will stand with Ruto.
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: Nefertiti on May 23, 2020, 09:45:12 AM
The Moi-Njonjo analogy fits IMHO. Ruto crowned hapless Uhuru with hope of taking over later. It backfired once the meek guy strike like cobra.

You keep throwing analogies that betray you. Ruto has small problem with Uhuru - but Jubilee party membership are united. Ruto has to negotiate the next 1yr - and then take on Uhuru if he Uhuru will still insist on standing on the way. He should thank COVID-19 because it's going to mess up Uhuru and Raila plans BIG TIME.

So as the gang up against Ruto - COVID-19 is ganging up against them.COVID-19 will make gov unpopular and broke - and will make any referendum talk impossible.

I warned you long ago about banking thud GEMA cheque. What is happening to Ruto is akin to political lynching. The parallels you paint don't match; it more like Moi-Njonjo redux. I saw him on YouTube at Sugoi farm tending maize... dude has already cut weight :)
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: Nefertiti on May 23, 2020, 09:50:05 AM
COVID is new wildcard. Raila seem keen to lead recovery- it could work out great or backfire. I think he wants to dish out recovery packages or stimulus to endear himself in grassroots.
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: RV Pundit on May 23, 2020, 10:31:28 AM
Ruto is not Njonjo. Njonjo would be a deep state kind of guy who is easy to deal with - just fire them. Ruto is a great politician that is a merger btw Raila and Tom Mboya. Don't think Ruto will be easy to bottle. Raila has tried previously by demoting Ruto to lower ministries, eventually firing him, and having him encumbered by ICC - and yet Ruto remained strong.

The good politicians are those able to balance boardroom intrigues and groundwork.

Ruto has been given the opportunity to start campaigning for 2022 - he has Jubilee intact...which is why Uhuru is outsourcing support from NASA.

The battle for Jubilee is far from over. Uhuru has the party official but Ruto has the people.

The big question is can he manage to keep GEMA when the GEMA elite will throw everything including the kitchen sink.

The Moi-Njonjo analogy fits IMHO. Ruto crowned hapless Uhuru with hope of taking over later. It backfired once the meek guy strike like cobra.
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: RV Pundit on May 23, 2020, 10:34:41 AM
Yes a big gamble to defend gov that is hobbled by non-delivery (big 4 dead) and has COVID-19 to deal with. I doubt there will be any stimulus or recovery package - just bandaids. The depth of this COVID-19 we will know when it climaxes in August.

Definitely we won't be seeing any big-ticket development projects that could win you votes - like roads, dams, etc.

I think most of ongoing projects will stall - gov will really struggle to pay salaries - and meet recurrent expenditures. Companies are going to go under. There will be joblessness and poverty . It will be the 1990s again. The economy could even go into a recession.

Ruto strategy should be run away from it - and blame Raila for jinxing/witchcraft Uhuru and Kenya. He should claim the current plague is biblical payback time for Uhuru and Raila :) . In the meantime harambees will become the only source of real development - and he needs to double down on it.

COVID is new wildcard. Raila seem keen to lead recovery- it could work out great or backfire. I think he wants to dish out recovery packages or stimulus to endear himself in grassroots.
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: Nefertiti on May 23, 2020, 11:02:09 AM
COVID is global and handy excuse for Big0 flop. There will be lots of yellow corn and food aid... that the aid that Raila wants to milk. It will be tough to finger GoK for failure when Uganda, TZ, Europe and shebang equally suffer. It more likely Raila will be seen as savior if he dish out GoK and donor goodies. But it a gamble.
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Post by: Nefertiti on May 23, 2020, 11:12:50 AM
Njonjo was MP, Justice Minister and kitchen cabinet. Jomo was late 80s and senile so Njonjo would reshuffle, promote or fire DOs, DCs all over and VoK say Jomo did it. By 78 succession intrigues Njonjo had stuffed the bureaucracy- DCs, magistrates, Kanu ranks - with his cronies. He was powerful enough to thwart the change katiba squad lead by Jomo son-in-law Koinange.

Moi promised to share power with Njonjo - and did it for few years - but soon as he got a grip he fed him to the wolves. Exactly as now.


Ruto is not Njonjo. Njonjo would be a deep state kind of guy who is easy to deal with - just fire them. Ruto is a great politician that is a merger btw Raila and Tom Mboya. Don't think Ruto will be easy to bottle. Raila has tried previously by demoting Ruto to lower ministries, eventually firing him, and having him encumbered by ICC - and yet Ruto remained strong.

The good politicians are those able to balance boardroom intrigues and groundwork.

Ruto has been given the opportunity to start campaigning for 2022 - he has Jubilee intact...which is why Uhuru is outsourcing support from NASA.

The battle for Jubilee is far from over. Uhuru has the party official but Ruto has the people.

The big question is can he manage to keep GEMA when the GEMA elite will throw everything including the kitchen sink.
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: Nefertiti on May 23, 2020, 11:38:33 AM
Pundit I guess you are still stuck with Ruto phantom numbers. Legco will work out exactly as Senate. Ruto crew will be kicked out except maybe Duale who will dump Ruto.

GEMA grassroots have never been with Ruto any more than they were with “Njamba” or Kalenjin “arap Mibei” ... good luck with that too.
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: RV Pundit on May 23, 2020, 12:38:03 PM
LOL; Don't embarrass yourselves with history you barely know. Njonjo reshuffling DOs and DCs.

Let me teach you basic history. Njonjo was the AG under Kenyatta. In those days AG - was like the president of Judiciary and could to a certain extent veto parliamentary bills. And that was Njonjo's power.

After Kenyatta died - he joined politics - he became Kabete Mp and a brand new ministry was created for him - Ministry of Justice - so he could continue with his legalese - and he didn't last long because he was politically naive elitist.

During 1970s - Njonjo big role in Moi ascendency was to put judicial breaks on BBI team - that were led by Kenyatta relatives and friends - powerful Minister of State (in charge of DOs, etc - Matiangi-kibicho-Harambee house) Mbiyu Koinange - brother-in-law to Kenyatta (2nd wife was sister- not Mama Ngina -4th wife of Kenyatta) and  Kenyatta's own nephew doctor - Dr Muigai of Magana flowers- Minister of Defence - those two were very close to Kenyatta - as family - and both wanted to become PORK - they had no time for Moi - they were both highly educated - Mbiyu Koinange I think was the first Phd in kenya - graduated from Colombia university and of course Dr Muigai was medical doctor.

Njonjo - and Kibaki (Finance) - worked to make Moi - PORK within those power circles.

But Moi was very popular as an individual who had been touring the country - he had the ground game for most of 1970s as insular GEMA were busy conversing in Kikuyu and making everyone uncomfortable.

All Moi needed to avoid 1) constitution being amended and 2) being assassinated - by Mbiyu or Muigai.

This is probably same story with Ruto - avoid being assassinated and constitution being changed - because he has the ground game.

Njonjo was MP, Justice Minister and kitchen cabinet. Jomo was late 80s and senile so Njonjo would reshuffle, promote or fire DOs, DCs all over and VoK say Jomo did it. By 78 succession intrigues Njonjo had stuffed the bureaucracy- DCs, magistrates, Kanu ranks - with his cronies. He was powerful enough to thwart the change katiba squad lead by Jomo son-in-law Koinange.

Moi promised to share power with Njonjo - and did it for few years - but soon as he got a grip he fed him to the wolves. Exactly as now.


Ruto is not Njonjo. Njonjo would be a deep state kind of guy who is easy to deal with - just fire them. Ruto is a great politician that is a merger btw Raila and Tom Mboya. Don't think Ruto will be easy to bottle. Raila has tried previously by demoting Ruto to lower ministries, eventually firing him, and having him encumbered by ICC - and yet Ruto remained strong.

The good politicians are those able to balance boardroom intrigues and groundwork.

Ruto has been given the opportunity to start campaigning for 2022 - he has Jubilee intact...which is why Uhuru is outsourcing support from NASA.

The battle for Jubilee is far from over. Uhuru has the party official but Ruto has the people.

The big question is can he manage to keep GEMA when the GEMA elite will throw everything including the kitchen sink.
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: RV Pundit on May 23, 2020, 12:53:25 PM
Senate was easy to intimidate. Parliament is very hard. That is like 350 members. NASA have 106mps.Only 12 are nominated. They will get the committee easy - because it voting - and NASA will play ball. Pulling 2/3 of parliament though is very tough.
Pundit I guess you are still stuck with Ruto phantom numbers. Legco will work out exactly as Senate. Ruto crew will be kicked out except maybe Duale who will dump Ruto.

GEMA grassroots have never been with Ruto any more than they were with “Njamba” or Kalenjin “arap Mibei” ... good luck with that too.
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Post by: Nefertiti on May 24, 2020, 02:30:36 AM
Committee dogfight is likely to spill over to plenary like Ababu Justice committee NARA days. Simple majority gameshot. 2/3 maybe to hang Moses Cheboi who is barely noticeable.

But what will really show you Ruto is a nobody vs mean, cold, ruthless machinery - Jubilee NA PG will sack Washiali and Mbarire. Duale I suspect s as already cut a deal to recant Ruto heresy. And what is big about inducing or bulldozing 50 MPs? PG merely need 85 or so to hang Ruto. As usual your hubris is gigantic- once it happen you will be here saying “ground” is all that matters. Uhuru has already called PG... cause he has done the rollcall. Garliv is already prepping soft landing by claiming Muturi will rig votes against Ruto. :)

Once the whips, chairs and shebang are fumigated - Ruto impeachment will be easy-peasy - only pegged on political weather.

Senate was easy to intimidate. Parliament is very hard. That is like 350 members. NASA have 106mps.Only 12 are nominated. They will get the committee easy - because it voting - and NASA will play ball. Pulling 2/3 of parliament though is very tough.
Pundit I guess you are still stuck with Ruto phantom numbers. Legco will work out exactly as Senate. Ruto crew will be kicked out except maybe Duale who will dump Ruto.

GEMA grassroots have never been with Ruto any more than they were with “Njamba” or Kalenjin “arap Mibei” ... good luck with that too.
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: Nefertiti on May 24, 2020, 02:39:14 AM
Lest the main point is forgotten: Ruto is facing opposition from PORK - while Moi only faced ministers not Jomo. It Njonjo who faced Moi after handing him PORK.

So Ruto vs Moi - scenario, temperament, strategy - are day vs night.

LOL; Don't embarrass yourselves with history you barely know. Njonjo reshuffling DOs and DCs.

Let me teach you basic history. Njonjo was the AG under Kenyatta. In those days AG - was like the president of Judiciary and could to a certain extent veto parliamentary bills. And that was Njonjo's power.

After Kenyatta died - he joined politics - he became Kabete Mp and a brand new ministry was created for him - Ministry of Justice - so he could continue with his legalese - and he didn't last long because he was politically naive elitist.

During 1970s - Njonjo big role in Moi ascendency was to put judicial breaks on BBI team - that were led by Kenyatta relatives and friends - powerful Minister of State (in charge of DOs, etc - Matiangi-kibicho-Harambee house) Mbiyu Koinange - brother-in-law to Kenyatta (2nd wife was sister- not Mama Ngina -4th wife of Kenyatta) and  Kenyatta's own nephew doctor - Dr Muigai of Magana flowers- Minister of Defence - those two were very close to Kenyatta - as family - and both wanted to become PORK - they had no time for Moi - they were both highly educated - Mbiyu Koinange I think was the first Phd in kenya - graduated from Colombia university and of course Dr Muigai was medical doctor.

Njonjo - and Kibaki (Finance) - worked to make Moi - PORK within those power circles.

But Moi was very popular as an individual who had been touring the country - he had the ground game for most of 1970s as insular GEMA were busy conversing in Kikuyu and making everyone uncomfortable.

All Moi needed to avoid 1) constitution being amended and 2) being assassinated - by Mbiyu or Muigai.

This is probably same story with Ruto - avoid being assassinated and constitution being changed - because he has the ground game.

Njonjo was MP, Justice Minister and kitchen cabinet. Jomo was late 80s and senile so Njonjo would reshuffle, promote or fire DOs, DCs all over and VoK say Jomo did it. By 78 succession intrigues Njonjo had stuffed the bureaucracy- DCs, magistrates, Kanu ranks - with his cronies. He was powerful enough to thwart the change katiba squad lead by Jomo son-in-law Koinange.

Moi promised to share power with Njonjo - and did it for few years - but soon as he got a grip he fed him to the wolves. Exactly as now.


Ruto is not Njonjo. Njonjo would be a deep state kind of guy who is easy to deal with - just fire them. Ruto is a great politician that is a merger btw Raila and Tom Mboya. Don't think Ruto will be easy to bottle. Raila has tried previously by demoting Ruto to lower ministries, eventually firing him, and having him encumbered by ICC - and yet Ruto remained strong.

The good politicians are those able to balance boardroom intrigues and groundwork.

Ruto has been given the opportunity to start campaigning for 2022 - he has Jubilee intact...which is why Uhuru is outsourcing support from NASA.

The battle for Jubilee is far from over. Uhuru has the party official but Ruto has the people.

The big question is can he manage to keep GEMA when the GEMA elite will throw everything including the kitchen sink.
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: RV Pundit on May 24, 2020, 10:35:39 AM
We are not in the 1970s. We have had many different strategies. Saitoti was so loyal to Moi and eventually, he got cast aside - and Moi elected to pick Uhuru Kenyatta. Saitoti had been loyal for 10yrs. Next we had Kalonzo - loyal to Kibaki - and he was not even considered. We know Raila strategies and they've ended in failure.

Ruto is on unchartered water - and that is just the nature of politics. Uhuru has definitely betrayed him.

At least he has a fighting chance and his destiny is in his hands. If he had waited like Kalonzo or Saitoti meekly and he got betrayed - he would be dead now - but now he has a fighting chance in GEMA. And that is all a politician need. And of course a bit of luck.

Ruto might not have state machinery - but he definitely has money. And in politics money triumphs political power when it starts to matter - just wait until we hit 2022 and you'll see power disappear from Uhuru as folks focus on the future. Ruto might not have media - but he has social media.

We can only make a judgment in August 2022 on the 23rd after the election. We still have exactly 2yrs to get there.

Lest the main point is forgotten: Ruto is facing opposition from PORK - while Moi only faced ministers not Jomo. It Njonjo who faced Moi after handing him PORK.

So Ruto vs Moi - scenario, temperament, strategy - are day vs night.

LOL; Don't embarrass yourselves with history you barely know. Njonjo reshuffling DOs and DCs.

Let me teach you basic history. Njonjo was the AG under Kenyatta. In those days AG - was like the president of Judiciary and could to a certain extent veto parliamentary bills. And that was Njonjo's power.

After Kenyatta died - he joined politics - he became Kabete Mp and a brand new ministry was created for him - Ministry of Justice - so he could continue with his legalese - and he didn't last long because he was politically naive elitist.

During 1970s - Njonjo big role in Moi ascendency was to put judicial breaks on BBI team - that were led by Kenyatta relatives and friends - powerful Minister of State (in charge of DOs, etc - Matiangi-kibicho-Harambee house) Mbiyu Koinange - brother-in-law to Kenyatta (2nd wife was sister- not Mama Ngina -4th wife of Kenyatta) and  Kenyatta's own nephew doctor - Dr Muigai of Magana flowers- Minister of Defence - those two were very close to Kenyatta - as family - and both wanted to become PORK - they had no time for Moi - they were both highly educated - Mbiyu Koinange I think was the first Phd in kenya - graduated from Colombia university and of course Dr Muigai was medical doctor.

Njonjo - and Kibaki (Finance) - worked to make Moi - PORK within those power circles.

But Moi was very popular as an individual who had been touring the country - he had the ground game for most of 1970s as insular GEMA were busy conversing in Kikuyu and making everyone uncomfortable.

All Moi needed to avoid 1) constitution being amended and 2) being assassinated - by Mbiyu or Muigai.

This is probably same story with Ruto - avoid being assassinated and constitution being changed - because he has the ground game.

Njonjo was MP, Justice Minister and kitchen cabinet. Jomo was late 80s and senile so Njonjo would reshuffle, promote or fire DOs, DCs all over and VoK say Jomo did it. By 78 succession intrigues Njonjo had stuffed the bureaucracy- DCs, magistrates, Kanu ranks - with his cronies. He was powerful enough to thwart the change katiba squad lead by Jomo son-in-law Koinange.

Moi promised to share power with Njonjo - and did it for few years - but soon as he got a grip he fed him to the wolves. Exactly as now.


Ruto is not Njonjo. Njonjo would be a deep state kind of guy who is easy to deal with - just fire them. Ruto is a great politician that is a merger btw Raila and Tom Mboya. Don't think Ruto will be easy to bottle. Raila has tried previously by demoting Ruto to lower ministries, eventually firing him, and having him encumbered by ICC - and yet Ruto remained strong.

The good politicians are those able to balance boardroom intrigues and groundwork.

Ruto has been given the opportunity to start campaigning for 2022 - he has Jubilee intact...which is why Uhuru is outsourcing support from NASA.

The battle for Jubilee is far from over. Uhuru has the party official but Ruto has the people.

The big question is can he manage to keep GEMA when the GEMA elite will throw everything including the kitchen sink.
Title: Re: Pundit I wish we could dig Archives
Post by: Nefertiti on May 25, 2020, 07:54:13 AM
Manyora the bimbo gets this one right about phantom numbers


Why Ruto was betrayed