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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2020, 01:27:39 PM
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-rwanda-arrest/rwanda-genocide-suspect-kabuga-arrested-in-paris-region-french-justice-ministry-idUSKBN22S0G5
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Good riddance. I think he may have hidden in a property behind safari park in the 1990s. We went to look at property in that area. We just wanted to see the design of it. The engineer that was giving us the tour tried to get us into one of the palatial homes but the guards said they were under instructions not to let him or anyone else without a prior appointment in. The engineer later told us that there was a Rwandan hiding there and he was high up in Hutu govt. I know for sure Moi used to give passage to deposed leaders. Said Barre and Mengistu I think were both hosted at Safari Park. I think for Said Barre, Kenya was paying about 900K a week to host his entourage of the fleeing somali govt officials and presidential guards.
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He is 84 years so it is going to be a quick trial and then he will be dead in a few years. How as he paying his bills? Was he on welfare? How did manage to acquire a new identity?
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I think he was wealthy - and own properties in Nairobi - that wife was managing.
https://new.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001296337/n-a
He is 84 years so it is going to be a quick trial and then he will be dead in a few years. How as he paying his bills? Was he on welfare? How did manage to acquire a new identity?
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It easy to hide in a developed world because of privacy laws. It appears the man probably been shuffling btw Belgium and France. It also probable the French have been hidding him - after Kagame diplomatic tiff with them.
Good riddance. I think he may have hidden in a property behind safari park in the 1990s. We went to look at property in that area. We just wanted to see the design of it. The engineer that was giving us the tour tried to get us into one of the palatial homes but the guards said they were under instructions not to let him or anyone else without a prior appointment in. The engineer later told us that there was a Rwandan hiding there and he was high up in Hutu govt. I know for sure Moi used to give passage to deposed leaders. Said Barre and Mengistu I think were both hosted at Safari Park. I think for Said Barre, Kenya was paying about 900K a week to host his entourage of the fleeing somali govt officials and presidential guards.
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These hutus were just bad people. They really fucked up by planning that Genocide. I think they meant it as a threat to counter RPF but they took it too far
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You need to visit western uganda, rwanda, burundi and even part of eastern congo to underand how Tutsi have sat on Hutus/Ankoles. They did genocide in 1950s. And they will do it again unless the feudal system enacted by Tutsi/Hima is abolished. The Banyamulenge (Tutsi) were been killed this year in Congo.
These hutus were just bad people. They really fucked up by planning that Genocide. I think they meant it as a threat to counter RPF but they took it too far
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I think France and Belgium knew of his presence but didn't want to arrest him until it was convenient for them. How does a high profile man like that get into the country and not be traced.
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Is this sitting economic? Are the Tustis just better in doing business and acquiring wealth? I think the Tusti problem is like the Jewish one
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Very likely. The French have no time for Kagame and have indicted his people for their role in genocide. The Belgium who were the colonizer are hated in Rwanda current gov. No Belgian I think is allowed to visit Rwanda. So both must have kept Felicien - probably CIA found out and outed him.
I think France and Belgium knew of his presence but didn't want to arrest him until it was convenient for them. How does a high profile man like that get into the country and not be traced.
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It's Feudal. In every village - Tutsi own like 90% of the land - some of best land -keeping cows large than Maasai herds- and below in valleys - are populous Hutus - cultivating bananas. So you can imagine every village is like that...and these are physically different people.
Is this sitting economic? Are the Tustis just better in doing business and acquiring wealth? I think the Tusti problem is like the Jewish one
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Very likely. The French have no time for Kagame and have indicted his people for their role in genocide. The Belgium who were the colonizer are hated in Rwanda current gov. No Belgian I think is allowed to visit Rwanda. So both must have kept Felicien - probably CIA found out and outed him.
I think France and Belgium knew of his presence but didn't want to arrest him until it was convenient for them. How does a high profile man like that get into the country and not be traced.
Belgium Religious right helped in protecting Hutus. They lobbied hard and created a lot of disinformation on what was happening before Genocide. That why security council and other nations were ill informed on what was going on Rwanda. Actually the Hutu govt had these Belgians as advisors in key organs of the government
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It's Feudal. In every village - Tutsi own like 90% of the land - some of best land -keeping cows large than Maasai herds- and below in valleys - are populous Hutus - cultivating bananas. So you can imagine every village is like that...and these are physically different people.
Is this sitting economic? Are the Tustis just better in doing business and acquiring wealth? I think the Tusti problem is like the Jewish one
So who owned the land before? If the Tutsis have owned the land since 1700s then it Hutus fault for not migrating to Congo or elsewhere to look for land
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They sorted of accepted the situation - but with democracy - everything changes - because the populous Hutus were now able to change the feudal system - at least politically - and likes of Felicien could now become rich - something that was not there before. And Tutsi couldn't bribe them with wives and cows - and make them Tutsi like before - where they'd promote some Hutus to Tutsi. The new Hutu elite started Hutu nationalism.
So who owned the land before? If the Tutsis have owned the land since 1700s then it Hutus fault for not migrating to Congo or elsewhere to look for land
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They sorted of accepted the situation - but with democracy - everything changes - because the populous Hutus were now able to change the feudal system - at least politically - and likes of Felicien could now become rich - something that was not there before. And Tutsi couldn't bribe them with wives and cows - and make them Tutsi like before - where they'd promote some Hutus to Tutsi. They started Hutu nationalism.
So who owned the land before? If the Tutsis have owned the land since 1700s then it Hutus fault for not migrating to Congo or elsewhere to look for land
Hutu then just need to get in power and nationalize the land. That would be the way to do it
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Personally I hope Kagame finds someone else to that keeps murdering Hutus elite. They deserve nothing but subjugation and oppression. They are animals that need to be rewired
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If Kagame allows democracy..where 90% are Hutus.
Hutu then just need to get in power and nationalize the land. That would be the way to do it
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When you get there you'll find yourselves sympathizing with Hutus.
Personally I hope Kagame finds someone else to that keeps murdering Hutus elite. They deserve nothing but subjugation and oppression. They are animals that need to be rewired
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Reading Lived to Tell Book. I think in some areas, Hutu and Tutsis have intermarried so much that you cannot tell them apart. That the impression I got from the Tusti woman that wrote that book. I will ask my cousin, he lives in Rwanda. He works for the major Telcom company there.
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There is no way he would have hid all those years without the french knowing, the slimy french bastards are responsible. All people that accused kenya for hiding him including obama should apologize.
Btw hutus are like merus when it comes to land tenure system and their use of the panga for all farming activities.
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It's Feudal. In every village - Tutsi own like 90% of the land - some of best land -keeping cows large than Maasai herds- and below in valleys - are populous Hutus - cultivating bananas. So you can imagine every village is like that...and these are physically different people.
I beg to disagree punda its not that extreme
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Okay let start where have you been in Rwanda or Western Uganda or Eastern Congo or Burundi.
I beg to disagree punda its not that extreme
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Okay let start where have you been in Rwanda or Western Uganda or Eastern Congo or Burundi.
I beg to disagree punda its not that extreme
Never been anywhere there, its all what i read i tend to think resentment of tutsi is more like what we have with kikuyu here in kenya never thought it was that point they own 90% of land really?
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Then you're just blabbing. Drive from kenya to kigali. As you as you get to Banyankole land -just near Mbarara - you'll see European style old centuries feudal system. The Tutsi are very rich. I don't think there is a tribe richer than them in East Africa (kikuyus are shadow). Their land is more like you have in central or meru - except in every village - all you see is very beautiful pasture land covering 90% of the village - with houses up in mountains - lots of beautiful cows - with somali looking people- and in the fridges are Hutus - cramped together in plots of land. And its not like tribes you have in kenya where each tribe has their land - their poor and richer - it feudal system where Tutsi sit on Hutu in every village. Every village the tutsi literally sit on Hutus. They have 90% of the land. They live in top of the hill. They are tall. It's pretty shocking. Hutus and Ankoles are short, live in valleys and are poor. The contrast is unnerving.
And where Tutsi or Hima or Banyamulenge farm - they plant like 30 acres of bananas :) :). Those guys are very richer in rural African sense. But they like cattle - and are not traditional like maasai - and keep larger healthier herds.
Never been anywhere there, its all what i read i tend to think resentment of tutsi is more like what we have with kikuyu here in kenya never thought it was that point they own 90% of land really?
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I knew it was an economic problem but what you telling me is very new and unbelievable i need to ask people who have lived in rwanda to believe. How come its not in the public domain?
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You think 1M people can be easily murdered. Hutus and Tutsi live together. In every village - up the mountain lives the Tutsi with large herds of cattle and 90% of the land. At bottom lives the Hutus with small plots cultivating crops. The tribes are more like rich versus poor in Kiambu...except it's every village.
Their land is highlands on steroids...so just imagine in Meru...every village...lives Tutsi occupying it ..keeping large herds of cattle...and at the very bottom...lives the Hutus planting arrow roots, bananas, cassavas.
Repeat that from western Uganda to Burundi and Eastern Congo.
Hutus is being sat on economically, physically, and name it. It like European white highlands with African reserves at the fridges of the land...providing labor.
I knew it was an economic problem but what you telling me is very new and unbelievable i need to ask people who have lived in rwanda to believe. How come its not in the public domain?
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You think 1M people can be easily murdered. Hutus and Tutsi live together. In every village - up the mountain lives the Tutsi with large herds of cattle and 90% of the land. At bottom lives the Hutus with small plots cultivating crops. The tribes are more like rich versus poor in Kiambu...except it's every village.
Unbelievable stuff, i need to dig deeper on this, neber thought it was this extreme. Is it same case in Burundi?
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Western Uganda towards Rwanda (Banyakole, Bachinga), Rwanda, Burundi and parts of Eastern Congo. Tutsi, Hima, Banyamulenge - are same people - look cushitic or maasai like - and keep lots of cows - with very beautiful girls - tall and elegant people. And at the bottom of every village lies the Hutus - more like a slave. Museveni is a Hima...the wife is Tutsi...but anyway they are the same people.
Unbelievable stuff, i need to dig deeper on this, neber thought it was this extreme. Is it same case in Burundi?
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Isnt museveni a banyakole?? And what happened to the land that tutsi were massacred from? Thwre have been several massacre against tutsi and also Hutus habe been president and government, are you saying all hutu are poor don't have land?
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Banyakole is two tribes - Hima (tutsi) - like Museveni - and th Iru - like Hutus - and the same is repeated in next tribe - Bachinga (where Bessigye belongs). So Banyakole (ankole) - is Bahima and Bairu. Exact copy of Hutu and Tutsi.
The real fight is a land struggle - kill the Tutsi so you can occupy their land. Otherwise Tutsi and Hutus have sort of accepted their destination in life.
So some Hutus have succeeded this way - but Tutsi have mostly come back and taken back their land.
Isnt museveni a banyakole?? And what happened to the land that tutsi were massacred from? Thwre have been several massacre against tutsi and also Hutus habe been president and government, are you saying all hutu are poor don't have land?
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Btw when you see museveni herds - most himas have such similar ranch and herd of cattle - it normal life of Tutsi or Hima or Banyamulenge. It not special because he is president.
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Btw when you see museveni herds - most himas have such similar ranch and herd of cattle - it normal life of Tutsi or Hima or Banyamulenge. It not special because he is president.
So they consume alot of meat like our masaai. I bet tutsi then is just an offshoot of masaai that lost their language and adopted the bantu kinyarwanda of the hutu
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Typical bahima village
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Maasai basically consume goats and sheeps - but cows nope (special occasion). The Tutsi and related consume milk - lots of milk - they make milk ghee, cheese, name it. They sell milk to Hutus and buy the bananas ...but I see some are growing them..now in large scale. Their are like modern day maasai or Kalenjin - cross btw Nilotes and Cushites.
So they consume alot of meat like our masaai. I bet tutsi then is just an offshoot of masaai that lost their language and adopted the bantu kinyarwanda of the hutu
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So after kagame hutus will just be back its hard to keep them away. Same case as what happens in RV where kikuyus rule but without peace. Its terrible living in a place you and your family can never ve accepted and risk of being murdered is ever present
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Yes. Moi genius idea was for Burundi and Rwanda to belong to either. That will stop massacre. Hutus can go to Burundi - and Tutsi can move back to Rwanda. Kagame solution is to erase and criminalize tribes....and move the economy from land to modern urban life. That will work. Because land is pretty useless in modern life. This is model Europe used...they shifted the poor to urban areas..and left land for feudal kings and chiefs. Once you get used to urban life - you don't want stressful life of rural areas. Kagame may succeeded if he lives 100yrs ;)
So after kagame hutus will just be back its hard to keep them away. Same case as what happens in RV where kikuyus rule but without peace. Its terrible living in a place you and your family can never ve accepted and risk of being murdered is ever present
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So is Museveni more inclined to side with Tutsis or Hutus? I have a friend who is Buganda. This woman hates Museveni. She is in her 40s and is an engineer but she says that Banyakole idiot will have to go to his cows dead or alive. What is the attitude in Uganda about M7?
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So is Museveni more inclined to side with Tutsis or Hutus? I have a friend who is Buganda. This woman hates Museveni. She is in her 40s and is an engineer but she says that Banyakole idiot will have to go to his cows dead or alive. What is the attitude in Uganda about M7?
The way we saw moi as a dunderhead bone dictator that's how Ugandans see museveni
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Museveni is a Tutsi...why would he side with Hutus. His mother is Tutsi and his step-father is Hima. His real father is Tutsi. Him and Rwandese Tutsi including Kagame launched the rebel movements.
So is Museveni more inclined to side with Tutsis or Hutus? I have a friend who is Buganda. This woman hates Museveni. She is in her 40s and is an engineer but she says that Banyakole idiot will have to go to his cows dead or alive. What is the attitude in Uganda about M7?
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Btw when you see museveni herds - most himas have such similar ranch and herd of cattle - it normal life of Tutsi or Hima or Banyamulenge. It not special because he is president.
So they consume alot of meat like our masaai. I bet tutsi then is just an offshoot of masaai that lost their language and adopted the bantu kinyarwanda of the hutu
They consume lots of milk and dairy products. Populations that drink milk are generally tall. Tutsis are from Ethiopia or thereabouts, they are Hamitic race, closer to Afroasiatic race than to their Bantu Congoloid Hutu compatriots. Genetics lares bare their non African origin. Note their slender frame and aquiline noses. They were several waves of back migrations from Eurasia back to Africa. They are finding remnants of ancient European haplotypes allover West Africa. Closer to home, we have the Maasais, the Cushites, and the Semites of Ethiopia who are admixed with non Africans. Maasais have Neanderthal genes, once only thought to be exclusive to Asians and Europeans.
Moi's idea was the least problematic, let them go their separate ways like Czechs and Slovaks. The Tutsi state will be far more developed and prosperous though, and Hutus will just move as economic migrants to live under their former masters. We have seen that movie before.