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Title: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Nefertiti on May 11, 2020, 08:44:09 AM
This is closer to the truth contra to Tangatanga spin and propaganda


https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Battle-for-Jubilee-soul--Uhuru-and-Ruto-numbers/1064-5547570-tvl0p1/index.html
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2020, 09:55:09 AM
Look like we are in for drama. Ruto senators boycott. Uhuru has seven senators to make party resolution. I think next will be large scale intimidation, bribery and even assinitation. Uhuru when scorned is very dangerous. He is used to getting everything he wants all his life.

Only Mama Ngina can save him now.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Nefertiti on May 11, 2020, 12:57:47 PM
Ruto when scorned is equally dangerous. If Ruto goes MAD it will be golden shower for Raila. He need to suck up to Uhuru and GEMA for now as Ruto throw punches. Basically play mercenary in Jubilee civil war. Until 2022.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2020, 01:12:04 PM
Ruto is facing the front-runner gang up. He needs to stick to his plan - and try steady hustler movement - and try to stop the constitution from being ammended and allowing all these guys to gang up.
Ruto when scorned is equally dangerous. If Ruto goes MAD it will be golden shower for Raila. He need to suck up to Uhuru and GEMA for now as Ruto throw punches. Basically play mercenary in Jubilee civil war. Until 2022.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: vooke on May 11, 2020, 01:49:26 PM
Where are we on matters State House?

I can see Itumbi and Cheruiyot barking
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Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2020, 01:54:37 PM
Done. Uhuru claimed he had 20 senators. In any case, Wiper is willing to join and tilt the numbers. Ruto has to cut his losses and start his own party. Jubilee is over.
Where are we on matters State House?

I can see Itumbi and Cheruiyot barking
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Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Nefertiti on May 11, 2020, 01:55:14 PM
Amending katiba is very hard especially if COVID-19 continues for a few more months. That however does not stop a NARC-like coalition of imaginary positions to be created after winning power in 100 days :) They will beat Ruto easily but fall out soon after. Whoever gets PORK is the only winner.

Ruto is facing the front-runner gang up. He needs to stick to his plan - and try steady hustler movement - and try to stop the constitution from being ammended and allowing all these guys to gang up
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: patel on May 11, 2020, 04:06:22 PM
Wembe ni ule ule...Uhuru finally take full control of jubilee. All in all I think a government of national unity would be much better than what have. Uhuru has refused to let Corona crisis go to waste. Tawala kenya tawala rais uhuru, wakenya wako nyuma yako baba tumalize safari.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: KenyanPlato on May 11, 2020, 04:15:23 PM
Pundit
Wanjohi just cleared his Morning glory on your boy's behind without breaking a sweat.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2020, 04:20:21 PM
Yeah this is bad. He did even put the condom on. The betrayal of Ruto and Jubilee is 'shocking' - always thought Uhuru was a gentleman. But my boy should not lose hope - he is merely 55yrs - he needs to give his best shot and try lead a Jubilee revolution now.
Pundit
Wanjohi just cleared his Morning glory on your boy's behind without breaking a sweat.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Kichwa on May 11, 2020, 04:23:34 PM
I am glad Ouru is seeing this thing through. Politics of inclusion works much better than politics of disunity and acrimony that be delved since 2013.  Even the hate filled .com died.  That is evidence enough that handshake worked. Ouru should never look back back.  This country called Kenya with all its problems is a much better place without  Ruto running around spewing hate.

Wembe ni ule ule...Uhuru finally take full control of jubilee. All in all I think a government of national unity would be much better than what have. Uhuru has refused to let Corona crisis go to waste. Tawala kenya tawala rais uhuru, wakenya wako nyuma yako baba tumalize safari.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Kichwa on May 11, 2020, 04:28:46 PM
You were just in denial for too long.  The writing was on the wall along time ago. I think Ouru just needed more insurance incase Ruto tried to run ends around him.  Once the military leadership became 100% loyal, he can now make the political changes without losing any sleep.

Yeah this is bad. He did even put the condom on. The betrayal of Ruto and Jubilee is 'shocking' - always thought Uhuru was a gentleman. But my boy should not lose hope - he is merely 55yrs - he needs to give his best shot and try lead a Jubilee revolution now.
Pundit
Wanjohi just cleared his Morning glory on your boy's behind without breaking a sweat.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2020, 04:33:53 PM
But he is literally breaking the law and cheering it on. And Ruto hands are tied because he is trying to appease GEMA in-laws. But once Ruto also start breaking the law - Raila and Uhuru style - don't come crying.
You were just in denial for too long.  The writing was on the wall along time ago. I think Ouru just needed more insurance incase Ruto tried to run ends around him.  Once the military leadership became 100% loyal, he can now make the political changes without losing any sleep.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 11, 2020, 05:43:18 PM
Ruto HAS to match drunkard blow for blow and deliver the knockout punch, any softness Ruto part will be a disaster, Ruto needs to go hard that the government cant function without him. Uburu is a spoilt brat nothing else leave alone he is also a mungiki henchman.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2020, 06:00:51 PM
He has to measure his punches before GEMA might see it as being disrespectful - so basically he does all boxing and punching behind the camera -  that is only way to make a case against Uhuru betrayal in Jubilee land.
Ruto HAS to match drunkard blow for blow and deliver the knockout punch, any softness Ruto part will be a disaster, Ruto needs to go hard that the government cant function without him. Uburu is a spoilt brat nothing else leave alone he is also a mungiki henchman.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Kichwa on May 11, 2020, 07:32:34 PM

The saying that those who rule by the sword die by the sword has not been repealed.

But he is literally breaking the law and cheering it on. And Ruto hands are tied because he is trying to appease GEMA in-laws. But once Ruto also start breaking the law - Raila and Uhuru style - don't come crying.
You were just in denial for too long.  The writing was on the wall along time ago. I think Ouru just needed more insurance incase Ruto tried to run ends around him.  Once the military leadership became 100% loyal, he can now make the political changes without losing any sleep.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Kichwa on May 11, 2020, 07:37:56 PM
I am sure Ouru and his brigade has been doing simulations of all Ruto's possibly moves and they feel they can counter all of them. Lets see if Ruto is suicidal enough to take your advise.

Ruto HAS to match drunkard blow for blow and deliver the knockout punch, any softness Ruto part will be a disaster, Ruto needs to go hard that the government cant function without him. Uburu is a spoilt brat nothing else leave alone he is also a mungiki henchman.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Kichwa on May 11, 2020, 07:41:09 PM
Jubilee is done.  We are back to tribes. We have seen this movie before.  You used to preach this tribe mantra when it suited you.  Kikuyus are more loyal to their kikuyuness than to Jubilee, and therefore once Jubilee is disbanded, they are back to being kikuyus.


He has to measure his punches before GEMA might see it as being disrespectful - so basically he does all boxing and punching behind the camera -  that is only way to make a case against Uhuru betrayal in Jubilee land.
Ruto HAS to match drunkard blow for blow and deliver the knockout punch, any softness Ruto part will be a disaster, Ruto needs to go hard that the government cant function without him. Uburu is a spoilt brat nothing else leave alone he is also a mungiki henchman.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2020, 07:46:36 PM
The only strategy that would work for Ruto at this point is basically to assassinate Uhuru for high treason and become acting PORK - otherwise a lot more people will suffer.  Uhuru doesn't care anymore and is preparing the ground for the slaughter of a lot more Kenyans....because this kind of recklessness in the middle of COVID-19 is strange.
I am sure Ouru and his brigade has been doing simulations of all Ruto's possibly moves and they feel they can counter all of them. Lets see if Ruto is suicidal enough to take your advise.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2020, 07:49:09 PM
We have a some time to get there - but look very likely we will get there soon. But first GEMA has to accept the new normal.  I hope they don't imagine they can play both Ruto and Raila because that would be the biggest tragedy. So Uhuru still pretty much btw hard place and the rock...he has to kiss Raila or Ruto arse eventually...or he will watch Kenyatta wealth go up in flames...and him in exile (if not in ICC) instead of retiring to Northland city to milk his cows.
Jubilee is done.  We are back to tribes. We have seen this movie before.  You used to preach this tribe mantra when it suited you.  Kikuyus are more loyal to their kikuyuness than to Jubilee, and therefore once Jubilee is disbanded, they are back to being kikuyus.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: patel on May 11, 2020, 08:22:54 PM
Uhuru is cognizant to the fact he lost the 2017 elections by a very big margin and for him to rule and install Gideon in a pole position he had to climb down and embrace handshake. He just needed enough time to build enough trust with sibour. Uhuru knows too most of jubilee hecklers were rigged in so they are replaceable. Only URP wing think they won elections..
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: gout on May 11, 2020, 08:24:13 PM
Ruto looks like Jesus in Passion of Christ - the serious whipping, thorn crown, crucifixion but can't counter punch. The path to his heaven investments is paved with near death experiences. What next - cabinet purge? Then EACC explain how you got Weston, Amaco??? Freeze bank accounts?? Will he be here for the resurrection or will the landmines being planted take him out?? The betrayal is crazy for once 'brothers'.

By weakening NGOs, media, judiciary, parliament - NA and assembly; defending brutal police; he has surely dug his pit given any reaction will be taken as unwanted disruption given the virus weariness and economic destruction.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: patel on May 11, 2020, 09:08:18 PM
Precisely..much credit to Kibicho. He finished URP without a firing a single shot or arrow.  Uhuru has heavily deployed military and GSU in PEV hot spot just in case of URP nyef nyef. Baghdad bob aka RV pundit should spare us legal and constitutional nonsense...

Ruto looks like Jesus in Passion of Christ - the serious whipping, thorn crown, crucifixion but can't counter punch. The path to his heaven investments is paved with near death experiences. What next - cabinet purge? Then EACC explain how you got Weston, Amaco??? Freeze bank accounts?? Will he be here for the resurrection or will the landmines being planted take him out?? The betrayal is crazy for once 'brothers'.

By weakening NGOs, media, judiciary, parliament - NA and assembly; defending brutal police; he has surely dug his pit given any reaction will be taken as unwanted disruption given the virus weariness and economic destruction.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Nefertiti on May 12, 2020, 12:26:25 AM
Uhuru is cognizant to the fact he lost the 2017 elections by a very big margin and for him to rule and install Gideon in a pole position he had to climb down and embrace handshake. He just needed enough time to build enough trust with sibour. Uhuru knows too most of jubilee hecklers were rigged in so they are replaceable. Only URP wing think they won elections..

This is the hard truth Ruto must face. Spin works until it doesn’t.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Nefertiti on May 12, 2020, 12:33:31 AM
Precisely..much credit to Kibicho. He finished URP without a firing a single shot or arrow.  Uhuru has heavily deployed military and GSU in PEV hot spot just in case of URP nyef nyef. Baghdad bob aka RV pundit should spare us legal and constitutional nonsense...

Is this true??
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 12, 2020, 06:42:41 AM
Why do you think Kalenjin will attack GEMA now. That won't happen. It will only happen as a post-election thing if Ruto was to lose and then betrayal would have been sealed. Not before that - Kalenjin are wooing GEMA -- so the arrows are pretty much buried deep in the ground.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Pajero on May 12, 2020, 10:18:53 AM
So upto this point you still believe Kikuyus will vote Ruto,you are sick in the head.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 12, 2020, 01:35:36 PM
So upto this point you still believe Kikuyus will vote Ruto,you are sick in the head.
They will vote Raila
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Nefertiti on May 12, 2020, 02:01:04 PM
GEMA will vote where Uhuru tells them. Just like the Luo and the Kalenjin will follow their demi-gods.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 12, 2020, 02:37:38 PM
I am not sure about Uhuru's power over GEMA now. Uhuru is lame-duck going forward. He is also an outgoing president. What GEMA is crying out for is Uhuru's successor.  Somebody like Ruto did to Moi. But unfortunately, the courageous ones are so green.
GEMA will vote where Uhuru tells them. Just like the Luo and the Kalenjin will follow their demi-gods.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 12, 2020, 04:36:10 PM
GEMA will vote where Uhuru tells them. Just like the Luo and the Kalenjin will follow their demi-gods.
And he will have to break CBK and empty it of the coffers. And that would spell doom for economy but i guess they dont mind as long as Ruto is not pork. If the BBI alone costed them about 1B just to organize and ferry 30,000 people to Kinoru stadium in meru and still people protested and left in the face of baba basically spitting in his face, do the maths that they would need to buy 10 Million people to vote baba.
Na hapa iko shida were Ruto to stand GEMA wouldn't even ask for a coin to support him, but Raira ata hii pesa ya corona waifadhi mapaka 2022
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Kichwa on May 12, 2020, 04:57:47 PM


I am not sure about Uhuru's power over GEMA now. Uhuru is lame-duck going forward. He is also an outgoing president. What GEMA is crying out for is Uhuru's successor.  Somebody like Ruto did to Moi. But unfortunately, the courageous ones are so green.
GEMA will vote where Uhuru tells them. Just like the Luo and the Kalenjin will follow their demi-gods.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Kichwa on May 12, 2020, 05:00:47 PM
Ouru is not lame duck because he is not leaving.  The constitution will be amended and he will come back  as executive PM in the next government. Kikuyus will be voting for Ouru, Kalenjins will be voting for Man Gidi, Luhyias for MVD and Luos for Raila. Its going to be a government of national unity.  Very serious people and forces have been looking for a politically stable and predictable system of government for Kenya.  Ruto must stand down and be become a junior partner and foot soldier until his turn arrives or he is going to jail or exile.

I am not sure about Uhuru's power over GEMA now. Uhuru is lame-duck going forward. He is also an outgoing president. What GEMA is crying out for is Uhuru's successor.  Somebody like Ruto did to Moi. But unfortunately, the courageous ones are so green.
GEMA will vote where Uhuru tells them. Just like the Luo and the Kalenjin will follow their demi-gods.
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 12, 2020, 09:07:37 PM
Uhuru can only have pyrrhic win but Ruto has to be wary of allies. Sober read from Macharia Gaitho
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/Uhuru-can-have-pyrrhic-win-but-Ruto-has-to-be-wary-of-allies/440808-5549566-2gem9h/index.html
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 12, 2020, 09:25:23 PM
It all depends on how fast Uhuru moves to consolidate Mt kenya - Uhuru clearly wants to send everyone opposing him in Jubilee scared. If it fails esp in mt Kenya - then he is fried. Tomorrow is parliament. Then we go for reshufle and then that will be it. Ruto can choose to stay or quit - and be "free".
Uhuru can only have pyrrhic win but Ruto has to be wary of allies. Sober read from Macharia Gaitho
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/Uhuru-can-have-pyrrhic-win-but-Ruto-has-to-be-wary-of-allies/440808-5549566-2gem9h/index.html
Title: Re: Uhuru vs Ruto: Who has the numbers in Parliament?
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 12, 2020, 09:32:52 PM
It all depends on how fast Uhuru moves to consolidate Mt kenya - Uhuru clearly wants to send everyone opposing him in Jubilee scared. If it fails esp in mt Kenya - then he is fried. Tomorrow is parliament. Then we go for reshufle and then that will be it. Ruto can choose to stay or quit - and be "free".
Uhuru can only have pyrrhic win but Ruto has to be wary of allies. Sober read from Macharia Gaitho
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/Uhuru-can-have-pyrrhic-win-but-Ruto-has-to-be-wary-of-allies/440808-5549566-2gem9h/index.html
He is limited in that with corona means no public rallies can be held time is not on his side like i said he has to break CBK and clean the coffers to be able to regain support. This means massive development projects, finishing all pending projects raising price for tea milk cofee horticultural products among others in mt. Kenya he has to do massive appeasement to regain control.