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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: KenyanPlato on April 25, 2020, 02:13:26 AM
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only have 10 acres of land left
Meanwhile Jomo is leading in land hoarding
Do you know there is a plan already drawn between Mama Ngina and Nairobi County to transfer the title of Wilson Airport and in return Kenyatta will surrender all the land in Kasarani near Joska.
Airport authority plans to build a mega Cargo airport on that land
This plan was drawn while Uhuru worked as finance minister
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If the land is illegally obtained then i support Ruto to be left by 10 acres. Like i said 2022 would have been a walk in the park had ruto not engaged in this extreme and unnecessary land grabs. But day of reckoning for the Kenyattas is not too far also
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I don't think my boy is worried about land. He will swiftly grab Kenyatta land once he become PORK. POWER is everything. If Ruto becomes PORK - he will only need 1yr to exceed all Kenyatta and moi wealth combined. Nobody has touched turkana, samburu, isiolo, somali land.
There is so much land out there.
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I don't think my boy is worried about land. He will swiftly grab Kenyatta land once he become PORK. POWER is everything. If Ruto becomes PORK - he will only need 1yr to exceed all Kenyatta and moi wealth combined. Nobody has touched turkana, samburu, isiolo, somali land.
There is so much land out there.
I heard hustler has already 100acres around that Isiolo airport in the Meru side, interestingly along the lapsset corridor in Northern meru there are many kalenjin registered as owning land.... Sad.. Do you know in meru you can have a title deed and never ever set foot in that land or even develop it?
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Njuri
Kcb has a policy not to take tiganias subtribe land as collateral. Many bankers got killed in meru by deranged vaites after they tribed to auction the land
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Njuri
Kcb has a policy not to take tiganias subtribe land as collateral. Many bankers got killed in meru by deranged vaites after they tribed to auction the land
:D :D not just KCB many banks won't, government officials sent to Tigania rarely stepped out of office to go to the field those that dared were under heavy police escorts, area used to be a go no zone for strangers things are changing slowly though for gvt officials they still need police escorts just incase
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My uncle was recently the DCIO there - tell me the area is so underdeveloped and people really primitive. He told me that old blankets and mattresses are sold in open air markets. The Kiraitu merus though are very developed and progressive...Imentis.
:D :D not just KCB many banks won't, government officials sent to Tigania rarely stepped out of office to go to the field those that dared were under heavy police escorts, area used to be a go no zone for strangers things are changing slowly though for gvt officials they still need police escorts just incase
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My uncle was recently the DCIO there - tell me the area is so underdeveloped and people really primitive. He told me that old blankets and mattresses are sold in open air markets. The Kiraitu merus though are very developed and progressive...Imentis.
:D :D not just KCB many banks won't, government officials sent to Tigania rarely stepped out of office to go to the field those that dared were under heavy police escorts, area used to be a go no zone for strangers things are changing slowly though for gvt officials they still need police escorts just incase
Partly true partly false, the areas bordering Isiolo all the way to meru national park are very underdeveloped as for selling old blankets i think your uncle got personal possibly he had a kendi or kawira that jilted him after eating his money or possibly a brush with death from the hands of a "primitive" baite, most cops leave the area kinda traumatized . Have met several cops who have worked there and they can't give you a single good story
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My dad worked in Mau but would drive to Embu. Were there no good five star hotels in Meru? I regret that I never came to Meru .. Are tigania Meru more fierce because of them living next to nomads. I bet you a Borana or a Samburu would split a Meru into two in any fight
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My dad worked in Mau but would drive to Embu. Were there no good five star hotels in Meru? I regret that I never came to Meru .. Are tigania Meru more fierce because of them living next to nomads. I bet you a Borana or a Samburu would split a Meru into two in any fight
Those neighbors of Tigania have only an edge as they have plenty of Ak 47 guns and ammunition BUT no samburu or somali can face a Tigania without a gun that they are very afraid of the pain of the Panga. I dont know why your dad chooseto go to embu but as it was the provincial capital it had its attractions
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Read this book to understand and answer all your questions on Tiganias
https://www.google.com/search?q=Mountain+Warriors%3A+The+Pre-colonial+Meru+of+Mt.+Kenya&oq=Mountain+Warriors%3A+The+Pre-colonial+Meru+of+Mt.+Kenya&aqs=chrome..69i57.1250j0j9&client=ms-android-huawei-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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My dad worked in Mau but would drive to Embu. Were there no good five star hotels in Meru? I regret that I never came to Meru .. Are tigania Meru more fierce because of them living next to nomads. I bet you a Borana or a Samburu would split a Meru into two in any fight
Those neighbors of Tigania have only an edge as they have plenty of Ak 47 guns and ammunition BUT no samburu or somali can face a Tigania without a gun that they are very afraid of the pain of the Panga. I dont know why your dad chooseto go to embu but as it was the provincial capital it had its attractions
Arrows and spears ?
Are Tiganias physically different from other Merus ? How many Meru groups are there anyway?
Who grows Miraa ? Are Merus related to Kisiis because they have a short fuse too.
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You forgot to mention their shared passion for FGM.
Arrows and spears ?
Are Tiganias physically different from other Merus ? How many Meru groups are there anyway?
Who grows Miraa ? Are Merus related to Kisiis because they have a short fuse too.
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Are Tiganias physically different from other Merus ? How many Meru groups are there anyway?
Who grows Miraa ? Are Merus related to Kisiis because they have a short fuse too.
If you please read that book i quoted above most questions would be answered but just to be brief, Tigania are partly of nilotic and cushitic origin the dialect and some cultures also resemble those, as for looks they are just typical bantu though you will find some looking likes cushites its very common . Miraa is grown largely in igembe and also Tigania, But nowadays all merus imentis chuka grow, igembe is just an offshoot of Tigania no difference. Read more;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meru_people
http://www.ameru.co.ke/
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You forgot to mention their shared passion for FGM.
FGM rates in Meru are way below that of kisii, it has been fought seriously by Njuri Ncheke who banned it in 1956, they work together with NGOs like Plan
https://plan-international.org/case-studies/kenyan-elders-call-end-fgm
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Where in plan international from? They used to do a lot of work for food programs in mbeere. Nevef seen poverty like the one i saw in mbeere and matuu. Some places need a marshal plan. Most of the guys i knew from there are already dead in their 40s ..i guess years of drinking dirty water will kill you
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My dad worked in Mau but would drive to Embu. Were there no good five star hotels in Meru? I regret that I never came to Meru .. Are tigania Meru more fierce because of them living next to nomads. I bet you a Borana or a Samburu would split a Meru into two in any fight
Those neighbors of Tigania have only an edge as they have plenty of Ak 47 guns and ammunition BUT no samburu or somali can face a Tigania without a gun that they are very afraid of the pain of the Panga. I dont know why your dad chooseto go to embu but as it was the provincial capital it had its attractions
Arrows and spears ?
Are Tiganias physically different from other Merus ? How many Meru groups are there anyway?
Who grows Miraa ? Are Merus related to Kisiis because they have a short fuse too.
Mogusii is Great Lakes Bantu. More closely related to Luhyas and Ugandan Bantu. I believe they got their FGM and ill temper from neighboring Kalenjin.
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I think they are close to Maragoli - and Luos pushed them north towards Kipsigis - we taught them circumscion (it was Kalenjin prerequisite to collaborate with anybody) but ill-temper is entirely their own. Kipsigis like bomet east with lot of gusii also have that bad temper.
Kalenjin can be fierce when need be but almost docile in peacetime. Certainly not ill-tempered. Kalenjin men are trained to almost display no emotion - stoicism is a big part of it.
Mogusii is Great Lakes Bantu. More closely related to Luhyas and Ugandan Bantu. I believe they got their FGM and ill temper from neighboring Kalenjin.
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I think they are close to Maragoli - and Luos pushed them north towards Kipsigis - we taught them circumscion (it was Kalenjin prerequisite to collaborate with anybody) but ill-temper is entirely their own. Kipsigis like bomet east with lot of gusii also have that bad temper.
Kalenjin can be fierce when need be but almost docile in peacetime. Certainly not ill-tempered. Kalenjin men are trained to almost display no emotion - stoicism is a big part of it.
Mogusii is Great Lakes Bantu. More closely related to Luhyas and Ugandan Bantu. I believe they got their FGM and ill temper from neighboring Kalenjin.
Yep. It looks like they arrive among the groups that eventually form the Luhya, but go ahead first and get hemmed in by Luo and Kalenjin. Maybe bad temper is an adaptation to dealing with hostile tribes.
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Yes, prof ochieng think hemmed amonst hostile nilotes - maasai, luos and kipsigis - gusii became pretty hostile - like the northern merus sorrounded by samburus, boranas and somalis.
Growing up - Kalenjin that I remember were pretty scary sight. We had to scar our skins - all our limbs basically - with fire tatoos!! to proof we were ready to go for circumscion. Kalenjin men were just full of self-inflicted scars and scars from enviroments - thorns, wars.
I was luckly my skin doesn't have those many scars - my cousin if you look at him naked - :) all you see are round scars on all feets and hand. It was like a weekly routine - you get some tree that had a cigarette like a stump, light it - and waited to burn it out on your skin - no flinching - if you're tough 3 scars per day - until there was nowhere to scar or tattoo. You waited for a week for the wounds to heal into round permanent scars. There would be rows and rows of scars....until there was nowhere to practically scar and you'd be ready to face the knife.
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Where in plan international from? They used to do a lot of work for food programs in mbeere. Nevef seen poverty like the one i saw in mbeere and matuu. Some places need a marshal plan. Most of the guys i knew from there are already dead in their 40s ..i guess years of drinking dirty water will kill you
I don't know exactly where Plan is from but that NGO has done wonderful things in the remote and marginalized places in the world where even government never set foot, i schooled with a kid whos father worked for them and was posted in Tharaka back then NGO workers used to be very wealthy, if you go to mbeere you can't recognize because muguka has brought alot of income transforming lifes they are now well to do. I think life expectancy will rise if muguka money wouldn't kill them
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Where in plan international from? They used to do a lot of work for food programs in mbeere. Nevef seen poverty like the one i saw in mbeere and matuu. Some places need a marshal plan. Most of the guys i knew from there are already dead in their 40s ..i guess years of drinking dirty water will kill you
I don't know exactly where Plan is from but that NGO has done wonderful things in the remote and marginalized places in the world where even government never set foot, i schooled with a kid whos father worked for them and was posted in Tharaka back then NGO workers used to be very wealthy, if you go to mbeere you can't recognize because muguka has brought alot of income transforming lifes they are now well to do. I think life expectancy will rise if muguka money wouldn't kill them
Muguka grew well around Siakago. Siakago was high up so the elevation favored them. it also grew in Upper mbeere Gachoka. The guy in Gachoka were well up and Siakago too due to school and availability of water were well to do. Eastlands was full of Mbeere guys who had come there as colonial casual workers. My girlfriend was in Siakago Girls. She lived in Jericho. I went to her house and found her mum and Mukurino reading the bible. That is the last time I saw the girl as I was to relocate out of Kenya a few years later.
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Muguka grew well around Siakago. Siakago was high up so the elevation favored them. it also grew in Upper mbeere Gachoka. The guy in Gachoka were well up and Siakago too due to school and availability of water were well to do. Eastlands was full of Mbeere guys who had come there as colonial casual workers. My girlfriend was in Siakago Girls. She lived in Jericho. I went to her house and found her mum and Mukurino reading the bible. That is the last time I saw the girl as I was to relocate out of Kenya a few years later.
It appears you are very conversant with that area. I just know the area from just transiting. The tarmack road was built by Kibaki from ena to kanyuambora siakago ishiara cutting through tharaka and ending at meru town has also transformed that area very much you would be shocked if you came back. Kibaki uplifted all neglected GEMA area tharaka tigania/igembe mbeere soo much, the infrastructure was laid during his reign(we need tribute thread for Kibaki) Wanjohi has done nothing Kibaki legacy is super strong he is almost a deity were it not him the areas would still be remote, Moi the chief goat herder had forgotten they exist.
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Pundit despite your spin and hubris i don;'t think Ruto controls Jubilee - NEC or NMC. NEC is 37 members 22 from former parties that merged 2016. All Kiraitus, Nyaundis and Dzuyas back Uhuru.
The only doubtful part is parliament - where I suspect Ruto is in minority. 150 MPs out of 416 - mere 1/3 of parliament.
These Tuju-Murathe shenanigans are meant to bait Ruto to expose his spin on Uhurutopia. Ruto is all over twirra taking on Uhuru.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-04-27-jubilee-hurdles-in-uhurus-coalition-dream-with-raila/
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Tuju-Marathe are out-numbered in Jubilee. They know it. You know it. NEC has lot more members than those 22. If Uhuru wants to fight Ruto - then get you popcorns because that will be one long MAD move.
Pundit despite your spin and hubris i don;'t think Ruto controls Jubilee - NEC or NMC. NEC is 37 members 22 from former parties that merged 2016. All Kiraitus, Nyaundis and Dzuyas back Uhuru.
The only doubtful part is parliament - where I suspect Ruto is in minority. 150 MPs out of 416 - mere 1/3 of parliament.
These Tuju-Murathe shenanigans are meant to bait Ruto to expose his spin on Uhurutopia. Ruto is all over twirra taking on Uhuru.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-04-27-jubilee-hurdles-in-uhurus-coalition-dream-with-raila/
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Read the article - NEC has 37 members but 22 of them are some "National Advisory Council" of Kiraitus and former party chiefs.
Uhuru and Tujus would be beaten in mashinani elections or NDC - but the ground noise would be bad for Ruto. Ruto interest is to cut united Jubilee facade which is becoming very difficult.
Tuju-Marathe are out-numbered in Jubilee. They know it. You know it. NEC has lot more members than those 22. If Uhuru wants to fight Ruto - then get you popcorns because that will be one long MAD move.
Pundit despite your spin and hubris i don;'t think Ruto controls Jubilee - NEC or NMC. NEC is 37 members 22 from former parties that merged 2016. All Kiraitus, Nyaundis and Dzuyas back Uhuru.
The only doubtful part is parliament - where I suspect Ruto is in minority. 150 MPs out of 416 - mere 1/3 of parliament.
These Tuju-Murathe shenanigans are meant to bait Ruto to expose his spin on Uhurutopia. Ruto is all over twirra taking on Uhuru.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-04-27-jubilee-hurdles-in-uhurus-coalition-dream-with-raila/
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As long as constitution remains NOT -amended and Uhuru is barred from running for PORK again - these are just smokescreen. We are now exactly 1 month to June - and there is no BBI in sight - and with COVID-19 - pretty much-messing everything - I think Ruto is still sitting pretty. The more we move towards 2020 - the more it becomes difficult to amend the katiba...remember there are constitutional timelines - for drafting the bill - collecting signatures - verifying signatures - sending the bills to MCAS - and then sending the bill to both houses of parliament - then budgetting for a referendum - and actually holding one. If you give each of those processes - 3 months - and best-case scenarios - no judicial injunctions - you're talking 21 months.
This really depends on Uhuru...if he wants to fight Ruto...he will have to emerge from the shadows and declare war. And that war he has to fight within GEMA - because GEMA are not boarding anything with Raila in it - and Ruto can take them to any new party now.
Read the article - NEC has 37 members but 22 of them are some "National Advisory Council" of Kiraitus and former party chiefs.
Uhuru and Tujus would be beaten in mashinani elections or NDC - but the ground noise would be bad for Ruto. Ruto interest is to cut united Jubilee facade which is becoming very difficult.
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I think the war has been going on for 2 years - and Ruto is being pushed into MAD corner. Which benefit Raila.
About BBI - yes covid19 has messed it big. I expect if reform become impossible - to have a 2002 NARC-like coaltion - where Uhuru run for PM under Raila. The whole point is to scuttle Ruto in Gema which is going well so far.
It laughable of course that Ruto can dare ship to new canoe - half the sheep would drown or get swallowed by crocodiles. He continue to "respect" Uhuru and shadow-box despite body blows for a very good reason. For example Uhuru fire his crew and he still approve new names in parliament. Ruto will only go to new party if Uhuru kick him out openly - as it approach 2022 it become dangerous to cling to Uhuru - who would simply deny him the PORK ticket. Jubilee is not UDM or URP pastoralist that could just tag along Ruto path. It is a COALITION - as you can see the diversity of NEC already cause big headache.
In short Ruto has a party headache - while Raila has a BBI headache. Uhuru is not giving Ruto Jubilee so he must brave the murky waters.
As long as constitution remains NOT -amended and Uhuru is barred from running for PORK again - these are just smokescreen. We are now exactly 1 month to June - and there is no BBI in sight - and with COVID-19 - pretty much-messing everything - I think Ruto is still sitting pretty. The more we move towards 2020 - the more it becomes difficult to amend the katiba...remember there are constitutional timelines - for drafting the bill - collecting signatures - verifying signatures - sending the bills to MCAS - and then sending the bill to both houses of parliament - then budgetting for a referendum - and actually holding one. If you give each of those processes - 3 months - and best-case scenarios - no judicial injunctions - you're talking 21 months.
This really depends on Uhuru...if he wants to fight Ruto...he will have to emerge from the shadows and declare war. And that war he has to fight within GEMA - because GEMA are not boarding anything with Raila in it - and Ruto can take them to any new party now.
Read the article - NEC has 37 members but 22 of them are some "National Advisory Council" of Kiraitus and former party chiefs.
Uhuru and Tujus would be beaten in mashinani elections or NDC - but the ground noise would be bad for Ruto. Ruto interest is to cut united Jubilee facade which is becoming very difficult.
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Yes, prof ochieng think hemmed amonst hostile nilotes - maasai, luos and kipsigis - gusii became pretty hostile - like the northern merus sorrounded by samburus, boranas and somalis.
Growing up - Kalenjin that I remember were pretty scary sight. We had to scar our skins - all our limbs basically - with fire tatoos!! to proof we were ready to go for circumscion. Kalenjin men were just full of self-inflicted scars and scars from enviroments - thorns, wars.
I was luckly my skin doesn't have those many scars - my cousin if you look at him naked - :) all you see are round scars on all feets and hand. It was like a weekly routine - you get some tree that had a cigarette like a stump, light it - and waited to burn it out on your skin - no flinching - if you're tough 3 scars per day - until there was nowhere to scar or tattoo. You waited for a week for the wounds to heal into round permanent scars. There would be rows and rows of scars....until there was nowhere to practically scar and you'd be ready to face the knife.
That might also explain Merus indeed. It's a bluff you hope the hostile neighbors don't call.
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I agree with punda unless wanjohi tries to amend the constitution all currently is hubris, but i see everything is against them, where do they even start, no way BBI can be restarted this year and Kenya simply cant afford a referendum in the next 2 years any attempt to force this on the masses would be met with almost violent reactions, most people affected by the lockdowns are GEMA and then you tell them sijui tubadilishe katiba. Uhuru has to really very difficult options because if he promised anyone he is not in a position to guarantee, GEMA is tired they just want good prices for milk tea miraa etc and their businesses to operate normally, uhuru is considered a total failureand a useless addict he let dog eaters run riot taking all business which our people rely on ,Hustler has veen smart associating all mess with Uhuru, no one blames him for the economic fallout, Raira would be wise to have plan B which i Know he has, Ruto will literally win thisthing 2022 but of course they wont make it easy for him having all data from huduma etc, option for Ruto is to stay put till 2022 and ran hard against them create an environment of fear for the elite should they try any dirty games, he has nothing to loose and come worse he should make sure him uhuru and raila finally get jailed in hague.
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I agree with punda unless wanjohi tries to amend the constitution all currently is hubris, but i see everything is against them, where do they even start, no way BBI can be restarted this year and Kenya simply cant afford a referendum in the next 2 years any attempt to force this on the masses would be met with almost violent reactions, most people affected by the lockdowns are GEMA and then you tell them sijui tubadilishe katiba. Uhuru has to really very difficult options because if he promised anyone he is not in a position to guarantee, GEMA is tired they just want good prices for milk tea miraa etc and their businesses to operate normally, uhuru is considered a total failureand a useless addict he let dog eaters run riot taking all business which our people rely on ,Hustler has veen smart associating all mess with Uhuru, no one blames him for the economic fallout, Raira would be wise to have plan B which i Know he has, Ruto will literally win thisthing 2022 but of course they wont make it easy for him having all data from huduma etc, option for Ruto is to stay put till 2022 and ran hard against them create an environment of fear for the elite should they try any dirty games, he has nothing to loose and come worse he should make sure him uhuru and raila finally get jailed in hague.
Ruto has EVERYTHING to lose if he goes MAD - PEV 2, etc. It is Uhuru who has nothing to lose - basically wants to scuttle Ruto. Uhuru has denied Ruto Jubilee control - which will force Ruto to ship out - a dangerous move akin to tempting fate. Ruto's best odds is the status quo - katiba, Jubilee Party, Jubilee GoK. C19 has helped him with the first but the other two he is powerless.
And how exactly would he "threaten the elite"? Threats work on the hoi polloi - the elites are aligned against him as it is. Ruto has the old Raila problem of being enemy of the state :) - worse he has no Raila reform profile.
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@Robina,the person with the Most to lose is Raila, Uhuru then Ruto in that order. Simply raira has no more time left, uhuru wants a continuation of the status quo, Ruto has time he can be jailed together with the other 2 and come back to run as a 60 something still young Uhuru will come back to see all his land taken up by squatters and developed his companies in ruin, Raira won't make it out of prison you know with his health issue he can only clock 1 year, Ruto doesn't need to call for violence he just needs to call mass action iyo tu,
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Raila is the only one who can just call for mass action and the economy grinds to a halt. Uhuru does not need to call for any mass action just ask Kibicho and Kameru to prep for the warriors. Ruto cannot successfully hold GoK at ransom without landing back into ICC fangs. His warriors have only one leverage - genocide. Now of course any threats or actual PEV on Kiluyu is political suicide - cause that’s the only card he has on Raila.
Who loses what? The status quo benefits Ruto - Raila and Uhuru want to change katiba, kill Jubilee, rig Ruto out - ergo Ruto has the most to lose. So long as Raila has Uhuru Ruto remains disadvantaged. Body blows with hands tied in the back. The person with no other chance is Raila - who thus has the least to lose.
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Yes, prof ochieng think hemmed amonst hostile nilotes - maasai, luos and kipsigis - gusii became pretty hostile - like the northern merus sorrounded by samburus, boranas and somalis.
Growing up - Kalenjin that I remember were pretty scary sight. We had to scar our skins - all our limbs basically - with fire tatoos!! to proof we were ready to go for circumscion. Kalenjin men were just full of self-inflicted scars and scars from enviroments - thorns, wars.
I was luckly my skin doesn't have those many scars - my cousin if you look at him naked - :) all you see are round scars on all feets and hand. It was like a weekly routine - you get some tree that had a cigarette like a stump, light it - and waited to burn it out on your skin - no flinching - if you're tough 3 scars per day - until there was nowhere to scar or tattoo. You waited for a week for the wounds to heal into round permanent scars. There would be rows and rows of scars....until there was nowhere to practically scar and you'd be ready to face the knife.
That is some bizzare stuff. meanwhile in okuyu all you needed is to ask to be take to the clinic for circumcision. My friend dad was a super rich. So one day he decided he was going to take any boy in his household that wanted to get cut to the clinic. my friend who was just 9 years asked to go with his elder brothers. the oldest was 12 years. They go into the clinic and his brother goes in. He sees peeps into the window and see what they deal was and took off and hid. his dad just go him a ride home and he waited for 3 more years.
Being cut in primary was a big thing. You joined the big boys toilets and smoking ring.
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Raila is the only one who can just call for mass action and the economy grinds to a halt. Uhuru does not need to call for any mass action just ask Kibicho and Kameru to prep for the warriors. Ruto cannot successfully hold GoK at ransom without landing back into ICC fangs. His warriors have only one leverage - genocide. Now of course any threats or actual PEV on Kiluyu is political suicide - cause that’s the only card he has on Raila.
Who loses what? The status quo benefits Ruto - Raila and Uhuru want to change katiba, kill Jubilee, rig Ruto out - ergo Ruto has the most to lose. So long as Raila has Uhuru Ruto remains disadvantaged. Body blows with hands tied in the back. The person with no other chance is Raila - who thus has the least to lose.
You are getting me into those "is the glass half full or half empty kind of debates that i dont use energy on i will leave those arguments to you and punda, am just straight forward, if you honestly think uhuru has that fanatic support that he can order mt. Kenya just in any direction then i feel sad for you if for putting cards in one basket pole, you must know GEMA are not like luo to be bundled just like that, mass action is not the reserve of Raila, i don't know where you live but i can tell you for free uku mashinani mt. Kenya people aren't buying any crap going on, Uhuru has spent last years developing nyanza then he comes and tell us gibberish, he will have to do more maybe increases price of milk to around 100kes per litre, or make miraa the national plant inorder to start being heard :D :D
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John Manners thinks he can explain. He's a retired journalist who for a long time had a specialty in covering the exploits of African runners. Now he runs a nonprofit, KenSAP, that helps place academically gifted Kalenjin kids into Ivy League schools.
When Manners was 12 years old, he lived for a while in Kalenjin country, where his dad was an anthropologist. And as a boy, Manners noticed his friends had scars on their arms and legs where they'd burned themselves with hot coals.
The Initiation Ceremony
Manners soon learned that they were practicing for an initiation ceremony, a rite of passage that is all about enduring pain.
Elly Kipgogei, 19, remembers going through the ceremony at age 15.
First, he says, he had to crawl mostly naked through a tunnel of African stinging nettles. Then he was beaten on the bony part of the ankle, then his knuckles were squeezed together, and then the formic acid from the stinging nettle was wiped onto his genitals.
But all that was just warm-up; early one morning he was circumcised, with a sharp stick.
That is some bizzare stuff. meanwhile in okuyu all you needed is to ask to be take to the clinic for circumcision. My friend dad was a super rich. So one day he decided he was going to take any boy in his household that wanted to get cut to the clinic. my friend who was just 9 years asked to go with his elder brothers. the oldest was 12 years. They go into the clinic and his brother goes in. He sees peeps into the window and see what they deal was and took off and hid. his dad just go him a ride home and he waited for 3 more years.
Being cut in primary was a big thing. You joined the big boys toilets and smoking ring.
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Robina, If you think GEMA will board MV Raila then something is clearly wrong with you. It ain't happening. Uhuru is courting a rebellion and he will be like MOi. Just a big name without any support. Even in Baringo. The rest is details.
If Uhuru attempt - GEMA will adopt Ruto as their own - and donate Uhuru to Luo Nyanza.
I think Uhuru just interested in stealing alone - and slicing Ruto knowing Ruto has 10yrs coming. So he is trying basically to run the show solo - make hay while the sun is up - and then quietly retire. Ruto has no problem with letting Uhuru run the show....but the moment he moves the 2022 cheese..then hell will break loose.
So I still insist Uhuru is playing games - with Raila - so he can help him steal now. He is just throwing funny ideas to him via Murathes. Knowing very well that GEMA are never going to board MV Raila and ODM.
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So Ruto calls for mass action :) - how do you see that going say in Nairobi? Mombasa? Kiambu? Eldoret or Kericho maybe - way outside the nervous system - which cannot force GoK to do anything. Only genocide or serious economic disruption can force GoK to the table - ala PEV 1. Ruto has no "peaceful" leverage unlike Raila. If he is rigged out or squarely beaten he is done.
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If you think Uhuruto or Jubilee is intact you are the delusional one. Ruto needs a new party - and attempt to herd massive Jubilee coalition there - very tough luck. Uhuru does not need all the big conspiracies and rungus to manage Ruto. The war is real.
Robina, If you think GEMA will board MV Raila then something is clearly wrong with you. It ain't happening. Uhuru is courting a rebellion and he will be like MOi. Just a big name without any support. Even in Baringo. The rest is details.
If Uhuru attempt - GEMA will adopt Ruto as their own - and donate Uhuru to Luo Nyanza.
I think Uhuru just interested in stealing alone - and slicing Ruto knowing Ruto has 10yrs coming. So he is trying basically to run the show solo - make hay while the sun is up - and then quietly retire. Ruto has no problem with letting Uhuru run the show....but the moment he moves the 2022 cheese..then hell will break loose.
So I still insist Uhuru is playing games - with Raila - so he can help him steal now. He is just throwing funny ideas to him via Murathes. Knowing very well that GEMA are never going to board MV Raila and ODM.
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Raila has no mass action leverage - that is why he Uhuru won 2013 bila wasiwasi - and 2017 twice - despite the election boycott. Raila was only brought to checkmate Ruto. Not because he was mass action threat.
Ruto wields a bigger stick - 1M kikuyu diaspora - is huge prize - for GEMA nation. It's like having a nuclear - you really don't have to unleash it. It's a deterrent.
As for Raila - the only time he has amounted to anything was 2007 - when Kalenjin nation did the heavy pushing. Now he is not even in gov and is just getting entertained by drunkard Murather and Atwoli with tall stories on how they will stop Ruto.
So Ruto calls for mass action :) - how do you see that going say in Nairobi? Mombasa? Kiambu? Eldoret or Kericho maybe - way outside the nervous system - which cannot force GoK to do anything. Only genocide or serious economic disruption can force GoK to the table - ala PEV 1. Ruto has no "peaceful" leverage unlike Raila. If he is rigged out or squarely beaten he is done.
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Pundit if Ruto ships to a new party - Tangatanga would crumble. Half the MPs in Mt Kenya would not go with him. Forget other Western and such places. Uhuru has too many levers to mess him and help Raila.
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What is the war about. The war is about Uhuru using Raila to torpedo 50-50 with Ruto and to rule unilaterally - without party - without basically anybody accountability. I think Ruto long conceded that - he is looking at 10yrs - and doesn't mind losing 5yrs.
If you think Uhuruto or Jubilee is intact you are the delusional one. Ruto needs a new party - and attempt to herd massive Jubilee coalition there - very tough luck. Uhuru does not need all the big conspiracies and rungus to manage Ruto. The war is real.
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What would make half the mps go with Ruto? And half to remain with Raila? The thing is GEMA will not board Raila - they will board Uhuru or another GEMA if there was case to be made. But Uhuru is not going to manage to remove term limits.
Ruto right now can move with 90% of GEMA - but that is too early in the game. You cannot move because of Murathe or Tuju.
Ruto will only move when difference with Uhuru boils over publicly....not through proxies and shadowy characters....Uhuru has to come and say in black and white...he is joining ODM :)
Pundit if Ruto ships to a new party - Tangatanga would crumble. Half the MPs in Mt Kenya would not go with him. Forget other Western and such places. Uhuru has too many levers to mess him and help Raila.
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Robina kweli you are difficult. Am. On record saying that Uhunye can muster 20-25% Max for rao, and without uhunye support rao will max at usual 2% uhuru has to break the central bank of kenya to buy entire mt. Kenya, but without that and Ceteris paribus, this will be another of those usual rao circus and vitendawili
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Robina kweli you are difficult. Am. On record saying that Uhunye can muster 20-25% Max for rao, and without uhunye support rao will max at usual 2% uhuru has to break the central bank of kenya to buy entire mt. Kenya, but without that and Ceteris paribus, this will be another of those usual rao circus and vitendawili
If Raila keeps original Nasa support he just needs 12% of central vote and he will win clearly with no rigging needed
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Robina is as obtuse as Raila. First, they lied to him about BBI - and when Raila started to realizes it and put - June 2020 deadline for the constitution to be changed (that changed to Sept 2020) - and now with COVID - unknown future data - I see Uhuru through Murathe have started throwing wild oats to Raila - about Jubilee, ODM and KANU merging.
Uhuru is playing high-level politics....and after stashing his bank account...he will leave many high and dry...as he retires to build himself Northland city...while smoking weed.
Uhuru main motivation is to grow his own personal pie. The rest about legacy are secondary. Obviously he is not interested in messy wars that could get him back in ICC.
Robina kweli you are difficult. Am. On record saying that Uhunye can muster 20-25% Max for rao, and without uhunye support rao will max at usual 2% uhuru has to break the central bank of kenya to buy entire mt. Kenya, but without that and Ceteris paribus, this will be another of those usual rao circus and vitendawili
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What Uhuru needs is to offer Kikuyu another candidate or find a way to deny ruto all Kalenjin votes and Somali votes .. most pro ruto fellas will never vote for Raila
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I think anybody who think GEMA - including Uhuru - want Raila to win - is smoking something very novel like the CORONA virus. Raila is too mercurial and too dangerous for all the elites. They simply cannot trust him or his Luo folks.
Ruto motivation is no 1) to steal and become as rich as MOi and kenyatta and 2) maybe to leave a legacy.
Raila main motivation is revenge...to right historical wrongs. He has no major interest to make money like Uhuru or Ruto or the rest.
If Raila keeps original Nasa support he just needs 12% of central vote and he will win clearly with no rigging needed
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Robina is this the guy you counting on?
https://www.pulselive.co.ke/news/president-uhuru-kenyattas-gift-to-uk-patients-and-medics-causes-uproar-in-kenya/73j1qt4?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=pulse%20live%20kenya&utm_content=stories
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I think anybody who think GEMA - including Uhuru - want Raila to win - is smoking something very novel like the CORONA virus. Raila is too mercurial and too dangerous for all the elites. They simply cannot trust him or his Luo folks.
If Raila keeps original Nasa support he just needs 12% of central vote and he will win clearly with no rigging needed
I believe that. Raila is too unfocused and it makes him dangerous for a country like Kenya. He suffers from ADHD. Guys is all over the place like a hyper kid
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If Uhuru and his system endorse Raila - I think we all should vote for him. That would be EPIC! Ruto should just re-join ODM and sit back. Some things are just impossible.
I believe that. Raila is too unfocused and it makes him dangerous for a country like Kenya. He suffers from ADHD. Guys is all over the place like a hyper kid
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What Uhuru needs is to offer Kikuyu another candidate or find a way to deny ruto all Kalenjin votes and Somali votes .. most pro ruto fellas will never vote for Raila
Now this i agree would be decisive, thats why they are trying to bring in Gideon to divide kalenjin votes, they know very well how the situation is, you cant beat ruto without diving kalenjin votes, thats why the needa to change katiba maybe Gideon for pork raira prime Minister i guess.
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Raila is the only one who can just call for mass action and the economy grinds to a halt. Uhuru does not need to call for any mass action just ask Kibicho and Kameru to prep for the warriors. Ruto cannot successfully hold GoK at ransom without landing back into ICC fangs. His warriors have only one leverage - genocide. Now of course any threats or actual PEV on Kiluyu is political suicide - cause that’s the only card he has on Raila.
Who loses what? The status quo benefits Ruto - Raila and Uhuru want to change katiba, kill Jubilee, rig Ruto out - ergo Ruto has the most to lose. So long as Raila has Uhuru Ruto remains disadvantaged. Body blows with hands tied in the back. The person with no other chance is Raila - who thus has the least to lose.
Ruto has the wind behind him as Njuri and Pundit have stated. Raila has tarnished his image beyond repair, Uhuru is a lame duck. Ruto is the man to beat, elites are working overtime to get him but he is a smart chap and he should endure a few humiliations. The big prize is his for the taking. I hate the dynasty more than Ruto, my ideal is to fagia wote but realistically he is the only that can stop Uhuru. God forbid he comes back the dog eaters will take over this country tukiwa macho.
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Robina kweli you are difficult. Am. On record saying that Uhunye can muster 20-25% Max for rao, and without uhunye support rao will max at usual 2% uhuru has to break the central bank of kenya to buy entire mt. Kenya, but without that and Ceteris paribus, this will be another of those usual rao circus and vitendawili
If Raila keeps original Nasa support he just needs 12% of central vote and he will win clearly with no rigging needed
Baba won without that 12% in the first election of 2017.
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Pundit if Ruto ships to a new party - Tangatanga would crumble. Half the MPs in Mt Kenya would not go with him. Forget other Western and such places. Uhuru has too many levers to mess him and help Raila.
Hustler is a proven running mate. Great at bringing the Kalenjin on board. But we are yet to see if he can convince other big tribes to line up behind him. Raila is an old hand at that. And yeah, his party homelessness coupled with covid-19 is going to hurt. Because covid-19 is forcing boardroom intrigues to play a bigger role than reaching out to mwananchi.
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Raila has won through the non-gema route but it really didn't count - 1) the margin of victory was not rig-proof and 2) you have to force Gema to see the sense of transferring power. Ruto understood that in 2017. Therefore I think Ruto will probably deliver it - otherwise, Raila 5th or 6th run (if you could the re-run) will be more of the same.
So just has to do all he can to avoid losing GEMA...and he has PORK. Raila has to do the near-impossible of winning GEMA over.
Hustler is a proven running mate. Great at bringing the Kalenjin on board. But we are yet to see if he can convince other big tribes to line up behind him. Raila is an old hand at that. And yeah, his party homelessness coupled with covid-19 is going to hurt. Because covid-19 is forcing boardroom intrigues to play a bigger role than reaching out to mwananchi.
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The county governments are doing well building the rural roads from basic grading now means with a motor bike, proboxes or a government 4WD you can easily get to the farthest corner. You will find the legendary probox beasts loading muguka in far end interiors at dawn. The miraa harvesters earn 1k before dawn - it iis making it impossible to keep boys in school with these easy money.
Jubilee was doing well with the roads - there are new sparkling roads in Embu and Tharaka. Siakago-Kiritiri is perfect.
Muguka grew well around Siakago. Siakago was high up so the elevation favored them. it also grew in Upper mbeere Gachoka. The guy in Gachoka were well up and Siakago too due to school and availability of water were well to do. Eastlands was full of Mbeere guys who had come there as colonial casual workers. My girlfriend was in Siakago Girls. She lived in Jericho. I went to her house and found her mum and Mukurino reading the bible. That is the last time I saw the girl as I was to relocate out of Kenya a few years later.
It appears you are very conversant with that area. I just know the area from just transiting. The tarmack road was built by Kibaki from ena to kanyuambora siakago ishiara cutting through tharaka and ending at meru town has also transformed that area very much you would be shocked if you came back. Kibaki uplifted all neglected GEMA area tharaka tigania/igembe mbeere soo much, the infrastructure was laid during his reign(we need tribute thread for Kibaki) Wanjohi has done nothing Kibaki legacy is super strong he is almost a deity were it not him the areas would still be remote, Moi the chief goat herder had forgotten they exist.
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Your logic is rich: Ruto worked hard on GEMA - thru mlolongo, mchangos and endless tours. But he has no solid grasp cause he is non-GEMA with a horror history of PEV. Being kicked out of Jubilee is as bad as BBI succeeding - because there is no "we are together with Uhuru" in a new URP. Without the Jubilee coalition he is basically back to URP - 20% - his real worth. Just as Raila ODM without the NASA coalition. Ruto presently hides behind Jubilee behemoth to create unbeatable facade. Very easy for Uhuru to scuttle that facade by choke-holding the party. This is live right now.
Ruto starts from a very bad place. Raila has used BBI to rally the majority of non-GEMA - which makes GEMA a must-win for Ruto. So these Jubilee "shadow-boxing" - is the ball is bouncing back n forth firmly in his danger zone. He has shed support in Mt Kenya - all Waigurus governors, senators and other Mt Kenya crème. Kiraitus, Kang'atas, Ephraims and Kagwes actually represent their folks - they are not suicidal or delusional. The Imenti will not leave Kiraitu and Munya for Ruto and Linturi - nor Tharaka leave Muthomi Njuki for Ruto and Kareke Mbiuki. :) So it obvious just spin that GEMA will not leave Ruto - he only has them through Jubilee aka Uhuruto - which is going up in smoke as we watch.
I see no difference between Ruto today and Raila 2009-2017 - enemy of the state with a slim chance of success. You give him way too much unearned credit.
What would make half the mps go with Ruto? And half to remain with Raila? The thing is GEMA will not board Raila - they will board Uhuru or another GEMA if there was case to be made. But Uhuru is not going to manage to remove term limits.
Ruto right now can move with 90% of GEMA - but that is too early in the game. You cannot move because of Murathe or Tuju.
Ruto will only move when difference with Uhuru boils over publicly....not through proxies and shadowy characters....Uhuru has to come and say in black and white...he is joining ODM :)
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Robina kweli you are difficult. Am. On record saying that Uhunye can muster 20-25% Max for rao, and without uhunye support rao will max at usual 2% uhuru has to break the central bank of kenya to buy entire mt. Kenya, but without that and Ceteris paribus, this will be another of those usual rao circus and vitendawili
If Raila keeps original Nasa support he just needs 12% of central vote and he will win clearly with no rigging needed
This a small fact Pundit ignores. There a very critical reason Ruto sings Uhuru Nyayo despite being spat on hadharani. He NEEDS Uhuru to firm his dicy hold on the mountain. He has no direct support unlike the lies peddled here.
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When did you run this assessment? Ruto without Uhuru ans Jubilee machine can only muster that 20-25% in Mt Kenya. The propaganda has not even started on Ruto - PEV videos will tear him to pieces.
Robina kweli you are difficult. Am. On record saying that Uhunye can muster 20-25% Max for rao, and without uhunye support rao will max at usual 2% uhuru has to break the central bank of kenya to buy entire mt. Kenya, but without that and Ceteris paribus, this will be another of those usual rao circus and vitendawili
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Wake us up when this happens. :) Jubilee is not UDM of 90% Kalenjin and 10% pastoralists - that automatically rebrand as URP. If that were true he would already be preaching new party gospel. Even Nyoro and Kuria will not defect to URP 2. :) He needs to fight to death for Jubilee soul - against Uhuru GoK machine - as Raila sweat out BBI.
What would make half the mps go with Ruto? And half to remain with Raila? The thing is GEMA will not board Raila - they will board Uhuru or another GEMA if there was case to be made. But Uhuru is not going to manage to remove term limits.
Ruto right now can move with 90% of GEMA - but that is too early in the game. You cannot move because of Murathe or Tuju.
Ruto will only move when difference with Uhuru boils over publicly....not through proxies and shadowy characters....Uhuru has to come and say in black and white...he is joining ODM :)
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Says pulselive, huh? 8) Pages 2 to 20 is Kilimani Moms gossip. Last time the spin about GEMA heckling Uhuru and chiefs vetting folks at rallies were copy-pasted word-for-word and comma-for-comma on these River Road tabloids. Not a single video could be found of course. Even the rag-tag Star cannot run with such blatant lies.
Robina is this the guy you counting on?
https://www.pulselive.co.ke/news/president-uhuru-kenyattas-gift-to-uk-patients-and-medics-causes-uproar-in-kenya/73j1qt4?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=pulse%20live%20kenya&utm_content=stories
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Ruto has the wind behind him as Njuri and Pundit have stated. Raila has tarnished his image beyond repair, Uhuru is a lame duck. Ruto is the man to beat, elites are working overtime to get him but he is a smart chap and he should endure a few humiliations. The big prize is his for the taking. I hate the dynasty more than Ruto, my ideal is to fagia wote but realistically he is the only that can stop Uhuru. God forbid he comes back the dog eaters will take over this country tukiwa macho.
Ruto and Tangatanga are excellent in propaganda I agree. There are all kinds of laughable stories from La Mada to Uhuru being heckled to now Uhuru donating cash to UK. :) No, Ruto is not leading the race - his boat is about to capsize. I don't see Raila facing Ruto's hurdles - instead he has upstaged him to get GoK machinery.
Kenyatta land grabbing and graft was manageable because it was strictly an elite game. Moi spread it to the bureaucracy with TKK. Even during Kibaki this was tolerable. Enter William Ruto who shamelessly invests in heaven. This thug has even corrupted the church - the last frontier. Now even shosho demands a bribe to bless the kids. Ruto as PORK is the worst thing that could happen to Kenya. It would be Sodom & Gomorrah.
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Ruto is very strategic and tactical. Why would he move enmasse after Tuju and Murathe - two guys who cannot even win MCA seat in their areas - shenagans. There has to be good reason to move. The move will happen if need be - as you saw majority of Jubilee MPs -148 registered their willingness to move.
As you denigrate URP and pastoralist - you maybe suprised they are silent majority of Jubilee. Kalenjin and GEMA are near equal at 60-60 - 120 - and then next is pastoralist - then next is Ruto people in many small tribes.
Moi won twice with pastoralist as his key plank.
Wake us up when this happens. :) Jubilee is not UDM of 90% Kalenjin and 10% pastoralists - that automatically rebrand as URP. If that were true he would already be preaching new party gospel. Even Nyoro and Kuria will not defect to URP 2. :) He needs to fight to death for Jubilee soul - against Uhuru GoK machine - as Raila sweat out BBI.
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If Jameson Kinyua Wanjohi had not got a little jealouse - Ruto would have delivered so many roads. That was Jubilee biggest legacy. Low seal volume roads. They are making a huge difference in rural kenya,
The county governments are doing well building the rural roads from basic grading now means with a motor bike, proboxes or a government 4WD you can easily get to the farthest corner. You will find the legendary probox beasts loading muguka in far end interiors at dawn. The miraa harvesters earn 1k before dawn - it iis making it impossible to keep boys in school with these easy money.
Jubilee was doing well with the roads - there are new sparkling roads in Embu and Tharaka. Siakago-Kiritiri is perfect.
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Do you know why Trump and not Pope is US president. People choose the lesser evil. Everyone know politicians - for who they are. In this case - in 2022 - and constituency that will matter as now - Ruto happen to be lesser evil. The rest ni makelele.
Raila had his chance in 2005 - and immediately Kibaki played him - he went to war - Ruto has chosen a difficult path - but that will bring reward. He has turn the other cheek to Jameson Wanjohi Kinyua shadowy slaps.
Your logic is rich: Ruto worked hard on GEMA - thru mlolongo, mchangos and endless tours. But he has no solid grasp cause he is non-GEMA with a horror history of PEV. Being kicked out of Jubilee is as bad as BBI succeeding - because there is no "we are together with Uhuru" in a new URP. Without the Jubilee coalition he is basically back to URP - 20% - his real worth. Just as Raila ODM without the NASA coalition. Ruto presently hides behind Jubilee behemoth to create unbeatable facade. Very easy for Uhuru to scuttle that facade by choke-holding the party. This is live right now.
Ruto starts from a very bad place. Raila has used BBI to rally the majority of non-GEMA - which makes GEMA a must-win for Ruto. So these Jubilee "shadow-boxing" - is the ball is bouncing back n forth firmly in his danger zone. He has shed support in Mt Kenya - all Waigurus governors, senators and other Mt Kenya crème. Kiraitus, Kang'atas, Ephraims and Kagwes actually represent their folks - they are not suicidal or delusional. The Imenti will not leave Kiraitu and Munya for Ruto and Linturi - nor Tharaka leave Muthomi Njuki for Ruto and Kareke Mbiuki. :) So it obvious just spin that GEMA will not leave Ruto - he only has them through Jubilee aka Uhuruto - which is going up in smoke as we watch.
I see no difference between Ruto today and Raila 2009-2017 - enemy of the state with a slim chance of success. You give him way too much unearned credit.
What would make half the mps go with Ruto? And half to remain with Raila? The thing is GEMA will not board Raila - they will board Uhuru or another GEMA if there was case to be made. But Uhuru is not going to manage to remove term limits.
Ruto right now can move with 90% of GEMA - but that is too early in the game. You cannot move because of Murathe or Tuju.
Ruto will only move when difference with Uhuru boils over publicly....not through proxies and shadowy characters....Uhuru has to come and say in black and white...he is joining ODM :)
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Ruto is very strategic and tactical. Why would he move enmasse after Tuju and Murathe - two guys who cannot even win MCA seat in their areas - shenagans. There has to be good reason to move. The move will happen if need be - as you saw majority of Jubilee MPs -148 registered their willingness to move.
As you denigrate URP and pastoralist - you maybe suprised they are silent majority of Jubilee. Kalenjin and GEMA are near equal at 60-60 - 120 - and then next is pastoralist - then next is Ruto people in many small tribes.
Moi won twice with pastoralist as his key plank.
Moi brazenly cheated and rigged and still landed meagre 35%. Ruto without Uhuru and machinery is just URP. You can quote big, bad Robina: GEMA will not move to URP 2. A few psychophants will move- Kimani Ngunjiri, Kihika who have Kalenjin buffer - the rest especially Murang’a and Kiambu will stay put. You think Gachagua will defect to Ruto party as Kabando swiftly take over :) Seem you don’t know this MPigs and how ‘united’ they become to pass salary. Uhuru, Ruto, Railas are totally ignored. You think they will risk their career for Ruto :o You see how governors swiftly dumped Ruto after Waititu and Sonko persecution. Delusional Kiunjuri of course already got displaced by Kagwe. The fool is MIA even in Tangatanga pressers... do you even recall his new party name? :)
Quitting Jubilee will destroy Tangatanga into URP - who despite equitable MPs are negligible votes outside Kalenjin. You will have a few Didimas, Kihika, Ngunjiri - as Kurias, Nanoks, Jumwas, Washiali grow cold feet. Haha “we are together with Uhuru problem is Kibicho and Raila” - how do you play this line when shipping to new party?
By now Ruto if he was going anywhere should have managed to fire straight at Uhuru. But instead he still walk on eggs for mortal fear of GEMA backlash.
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You're yet to understand politics. The reason why Uhuru groupies are struggling is not because of MPs and Governors. It's the ground game. The GEMA people will force Mps to move if they cannot force Uhuru to shape. Look at Moses Kuria coming back with tail behind. Any politician in central or mt kenya interested in 2022 will be forced to support Ruto or he will go home. The more we get into 2022 - the more they will tell Uhuru to go to hell - because come election day - Mama Ngina will not elect you. Uhuru himself has been rejected twice or more - starting right in Gatundu.
LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS.
You're yet to understand our politics. You think you know, when you actually know nothing.
You have to understand the power dynamics btw a voter (a tribal voter) and his tribal leader. It's not a slave-master - except in Luo Nyanza. Elsewhere politicians have to work hard, develop their areas, and of course - most importantly - be in tune with COMMUNITY INTEREST.
It's not in GEMA interest to back Raila - it's simply doesn't make sense to them.
Moi brazenly cheated and rigged and still landed meagre 35%. Ruto without Uhuru and machinery is just URP. You can quote big, bad Robina: GEMA will not move to URP 2. A few psychophants will move- Kimani Ngunjiri, Kihika who have Kalenjin buffer - the rest especially Murang’a and Kiambu will stay put. You think Gachagua will defect to Ruto party as Kabando swiftly take over :) Seem you don’t know this MPigs and how ‘united’ they become to pass salary. Uhuru, Ruto, Railas are totally ignored. You think they will risk their career for Ruto :o You see how governors swiftly dumped Ruto after Waititu and Sonko persecution. Delusional Kiunjuri of course already got displaced by Kagwe. The fool is MIA even in Tangatanga pressers... do you even recall his new party name? :)
Quitting Jubilee will destroy Tangatanga into URP - who despite equitable MPs are negligible votes outside Kalenjin. You will have a few Didimas, Kihika, Ngunjiri - as Kurias, Nanoks, Jumwas, Washiali grow cold feet. Haha “we are together with Uhuru problem is Kibicho and Raila” - how do you play this line when shipping to new party?
By now Ruto if he was going anywhere should have managed to fire straight at Uhuru. But instead he still walk on eggs for mortal fear of GEMA backlash.
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So naturally you fully back his mission.
I think anybody who think GEMA - including Uhuru - want Raila to win - is smoking something very novel like the CORONA virus. Raila is too mercurial and too dangerous for all the elites. They simply cannot trust him or his Luo folks.
Ruto motivation is no 1) to steal and become as rich as MOi and kenyatta and 2) maybe to leave a legacy.
Raila main motivation is revenge...to right historical wrongs. He has no major interest to make money like Uhuru or Ruto or the rest.
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Well when Ruto stop taking body blows quietly we might see your point. Ruto is not GEMA and he has no magic wand - so he cling to Uhurutopia. Why not take on the wildly unpopular Uhuru - what does he really fear?
Spin on. Yours is not even hubris it denial. Your groupie Garliv alikunja mkia.
You're yet to understand politics. The reason why Uhuru groupies are struggling is not because of MPs and Governors. It's the ground game. The GEMA people will force Mps to move if they cannot force Uhuru to shape. Look at Moses Kuria coming back with tail behind. Any politician in central or mt kenya interested in 2022 will be forced to support Ruto or he will go home. The more we get into 2022 - the more they will tell Uhuru to go to hell - because come election day - Mama Ngina will not elect you. Uhuru himself has been rejected twice or more - starting right in Gatundu.
LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS.
You're yet to understand our politics. You think you know, when you actually know nothing.
You have to understand the power dynamics btw a voter (a tribal voter) and his tribal leader. It's not a slave-master - except in Luo Nyanza. Elsewhere politicians have to work hard, develop their areas, and of course - most importantly - be in tune with COMMUNITY INTEREST.
It's not in GEMA interest to back Raila - it's simply doesn't make sense to them.
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I think despite the stealing - he would still a lot of stuff done - and that is what matters. I am not naive to imagine he won't steal. And I cannot elect Raila.
So naturally you fully back his mission.
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Time is the best antidote. I haven't change my stance because the facts as of 2020 are as of 2018. As long as you're selling Raila - Ruto is sleeping walk to PORK. Now if Uhuru and GEMA were to back somebody else - maybe we can have something novel to talk about.
But Raila in GEMA - is DEAD ON ARRIVAL - in many levels. This is just a scare-scrow that Uhuru is using as cover while he steals.
Well when Ruto stop taking body blows quietly we might see your point. Ruto is not GEMA and he has no magic wand - so he cling to Uhurutopia. Why not take on the wildly unpopular Uhuru - what does he really fear?
Spin on. Yours is not even hubris it denial. Your groupie Garliv alikunja mkia.
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We given your theories enough time here- Jezebel is long forgotten as dogfight now move to Jubilee House. Time doesn’t wash away your sins- Uhurutopia or “they are playing Raila” is the most laughable. Now you quote Duale that there is a secret card : ) as we see live on HD gloves coming off. bitmask calls it “up is down logic”.
GEMA have never elected Ruto nor Raila- and they have never not fielded a candidate. Sorry this “Raila is DOA in GEMA” is just another of your many theories. Raila has bagged non-Luo votes for years - unlike Ruto - so what contra facts do you have about their success or failure in GEMA? As it is Uhuru, Kiraitu, Waiguru and heavyweights back Raila - but you tell us they don’t truly want him to win - cause your crystal ball says he is DOA. :) Yours are alternative facts like Trump’s. :) :D
I told you in 2016 it was a mistake to merge Jubilee 2013 coalition into monolithic party. With FORD, NARC, ODM and shebang of history. But your crystal ball said Jubilee is new ANC - Tuju and Murathe traveled to China and Cuba to study their 100 years Communist Party. :D Cause now you are at PORK mercy with machinery and clauses that make him Supreme Leader in transition. Just as in the real Kenya katiba where DP job is to take PORK instructions like office secretary - Deputy Party Leader is Party Leader’s bitch. No ifs or buts. Worse now if he were to ship to new party - apart from legal problems with PPA - it akin to tempting fate cause you have to sell new party. If Ruto had URP- Tangatanga would be drumming URP without any legal headaches. URP would perhaps be popular in Mt Kenya- without the risk of major haemorrhage at defection. But now - haha - it single party where they can’t meet, no PG, no elections, no consensus on anything. All key posts are in Uhuru claws. But Pundit must spin a yarn about how there is no real war just Tuju and Murathe- who can’t win MCA. Logically they also can’t take such initiative and are in fact Uhuru puppets.
Nothing has changed 2018 to 2020 :o - you’re delusional. 2 years ago you were bragging how Jubilee juggernaut or “mean machine” will sleepwalk Ruto to SH. Ruto would be Acting PORK as Uhuru endorse him and go to sunbathe and smoke weed in Hawaii. Haha instead now the flawless machine decide to commit harakiri- as the nose reject the face - the body rejects the head. The implosion of Jubilee is the ultimate crowning of Ruto failures.
Pundit is as hare-brained as Ruto - aka Bob Mobutu Abacha Arab Singh.
Time is the best antidote. I haven't change my stance because the facts as of 2020 are as of 2018. As long as you're selling Raila - Ruto is sleeping walk to PORK. Now if Uhuru and GEMA were to back somebody else - maybe we can have something novel to talk about.
But Raila in GEMA - is DEAD ON ARRIVAL - in many levels. This is just a scare-scrow that Uhuru is using as cover while he steals.
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Long stories like this has not made Raila PORK since his maiden run in 1997. You must have been a toddler then. Watch Ruto nick this. Jezebel - Murather- and name them - are the scare-crows - that Uhuru is using to keep you busy - and entertained - while he virtually has no opposition - and no need to share power - not with Raila - not with Raila - and ultimate aim is to stash his accounts - enjoy power - while it last - and leave you high and dry - as Ruto starts his 10yrs.
Many smart politicians from GEMA knows this - that is why they are solidly behind Ruto - right from Kiambu to northern meru - all RV mps.
You're just a fool who cannot read politics. Raila is a bigger fool though.
We given your theories enough time here- Jezebel is long forgotten as dogfight now move to Jubilee House. Time doesn’t wash away your sins- Uhurutopia or “they are playing Raila” is the most laughable. Now you quote Duale that there is a secret card : ) as we see live on HD gloves coming off. bitmask calls it “up is down logic”.
GEMA have never elected Ruto nor Raila- and they have never not fielded a candidate. Sorry this “Raila is DOA in GEMA” is just another of your many theories. Raila has bagged non-Luo votes for years - unlike Ruto - so what contra facts do you have about their success or failure in GEMA? As it is Uhuru, Kiraitu, Waiguru and heavyweights back Raila - but you tell us they don’t truly want him to win - cause your crystal ball says he is DOA. :) Yours are alternative facts like Trump’s. :) :D
I told you in 2016 it was a mistake to merge Jubilee 2013 coalition into monolithic party. With FORD, NARC, ODM and shebang of history. But your crystal ball said Jubilee is new ANC - Tuju and Murathe traveled to China and Cuba to study their 100 years Communist Party. :D Cause now you are at PORK mercy with machinery and clauses that make him Supreme Leader in transition. Just as in the real Kenya katiba where DP job is to take PORK instructions like office secretary - Deputy Party Leader is Party Leader’s bitch. No ifs or buts. Worse now if he were to ship to new party - apart from legal problems with PPA - it akin to tempting fate cause you have to sell new party. If Ruto had URP- Tangatanga would be drumming URP without any legal headaches. URP would perhaps be popular in Mt Kenya- without the risk of major haemorrhage at defection. But now - haha - it single party where they can’t meet, no PG, no elections, no consensus on anything. All key posts are in Uhuru claws. But Pundit must spin a yarn about how there is no real war just Tuju and Murathe- who can’t win MCA. Logically they also can’t take such initiative and are in fact Uhuru puppets.
Nothing has changed 2018 to 2020 :o - you’re delusional. 2 years ago you were bragging how Jubilee juggernaut or “mean machine” will sleepwalk Ruto to SH. Ruto would be Acting PORK as Uhuru endorse him and go to sunbathe and smoke weed in Hawaii. Haha instead now the flawless machine decide to commit harakiri- as the nose reject the face - the body rejects the head. The implosion of Jubilee is the ultimate crowning of Ruto failures.
Pundit is as hare-brained as Ruto - aka Bob Mobutu Abacha Arab Singh.
Time is the best antidote. I haven't change my stance because the facts as of 2020 are as of 2018. As long as you're selling Raila - Ruto is sleeping walk to PORK. Now if Uhuru and GEMA were to back somebody else - maybe we can have something novel to talk about.
But Raila in GEMA - is DEAD ON ARRIVAL - in many levels. This is just a scare-scrow that Uhuru is using as cover while he steals.
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Lots of conjecture, spin and wishes as usual. Jubilee wars and the war on Mobutu have been ongoing for 2 years as Raila sit pretty. You have only recently conceded Uhurutopia is dead - but rather than concede JP the Ruto "mean machine" is dead as dodo too - you are desperately quoting Duale about secret card. Now the new theory is Uhuru greed - pure guesswork with zero evidence. Tangatanga would promptly expose Uhuru and Mama Ngina if they were seriously looting. Sudi and Kuria are exceptional at that. But nada - nope - no major graft story since Ruto was kicked out. Instead we have phony story after phony story about La Mada murder plot, Uhuru being booed in GEMA, chiefs vetting folks at Uhuru rallies - and other nonsense. Now ati Uhuru has donated cash to UK for COVID :D :D People in such desperation would not hesitate to spill any evidence of graft.
Let us stick to what is in the news. Not theory. Mlolongo MPs back Ruto as expected - this means nothing about his chances - they are mercenaries in the war. They fight for the money not loyalty or winning side. Even priests have lined up for the honey - without any political gain - but to line their pockets. Definitely the mlolongo victims and elites like Munga vehemently oppose Ruto as expected. The ball is firmly in his penalty area as all efforts are made to uproot him from the mountain. Kidnapping Jubilee is a very smart strategy for Uhuru - shipping out to URP 2 with GEMA and the entire flock is a herculean task you haven't countenanced. His ODM and UDM experiences don't seem to have prepared Mobutu for this.
Long stories like this has not made Raila PORK since his maiden run in 1997. You must have been a toddler then. Watch Ruto nick this. Jezebel - Murather- and name them - are the scare-crows - that Uhuru is using to keep you busy - and entertained - while he virtually has no opposition - and no need to share power - not with Raila - not with Raila - and ultimate aim is to stash his accounts - enjoy power - while it last - and leave you high and dry - as Ruto starts his 10yrs.
Many smart politicians from GEMA knows this - that is why they are solidly behind Ruto - right from Kiambu to northern meru - all RV mps.
You're just a fool who cannot read politics. Raila is a bigger fool though.