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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on March 27, 2020, 07:18:29 PM
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I mean Ugandans and Rwandese are flagging kenyans with Corona but not Kenya.
But well maybe they are - everywhere I go - there are temperature scanners everywhere - and hand sanitizers.
In developed world - I think shoving thermometers and hand sanitizers - will be seen to be patronizing.
Tomorrow is my 14th date - and for sure I have no corona :)
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https://google.org/crisisresponse/covid19-map?hl=en
Looks like the gdp-per-capita map... the richer the more infected
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Yes - seem an indicator of the state of health care system. Now what happens when developed world defeat corona and starts blocking migrations to and from developing countries.
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Yes - seem an indicator of the state of health care system. Now what happens when developed world defeat corona and starts blocking migrations to and from developing countries.
Yeah I believe mass tests make our statistics look more scary. No they can't abandon you on this... due to risk of spreading. It ebola on steroids. They will continue hammering it till they crack the vaccine.
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RV Pundit are you still in Switzerland?
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RV Pundit are you still in Switzerland?
Pundit can you answer this. We are concerned especially with your chronic alcoholism which makes you vulnerable.
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I like your sense of humour. Alcoholism is great against all viruses and flus.
Pundit can you answer this. We are concerned especially with your chronic alcoholism which makes you vulnerable.
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Men are dying in double numbers than women due to alcohol and tobacco which mess the organs. The alcohol and smoke you gulp for years long went urinal after destroying your liver and lungs.
I like your sense of humour. Alcoholism is great against all viruses and flus.
Pundit can you answer this. We are concerned especially with your chronic alcoholism which makes you vulnerable.
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Men are dying in double numbers than women due to alcohol and tobacco which mess the organs. The alcohol and smoke you gulp for years long went urinal after destroying your liver and lungs.
I like your sense of humour. Alcoholism is great against all viruses and flus.
Pundit can you answer this. We are concerned especially with your chronic alcoholism which makes you vulnerable.
LOL!!!
My area is getting hit really hard.
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That first death in Kenya is right in my backyard.
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Can covid-19 escalate the rise of China? They were supposed to be at the mercy of the Trump furious trade blows and sanctions on Huawei, ZTE, etc. Now that is in limbo as the US, Europe and the world scramble for ventilators and equipment that China mints so rapidly. These exports are tariff-free.8) The story of US outbidding and undercutting France and Canada for ventilators was comical. The level of preparedness and how fast China has stumped the bug as the West stutters. There is just something about the Chinese. A cool, calm reassuring efficiency. From climate change now they are clearly leading in fighting the pandemic.
Thai listed companies to get a boost as Chinese economy starts to roll
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2020/04/11/thai-listed-companies-to-get-a-boost-as-chinese-economy-starts-to-roll
Coronavirus: China claims stimulus ‘10 times more efficient’ than US Fed, as new loans top US$1 trillion
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3079423/coronavirus-china-claims-stimulus-10-times-more-efficient-us
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Robina
Am not sold on the Chinese COVID numbers. I think its like 100million infected with 30k dead. Am basing my numbers on whats trending in each given area. Looks like 10% of any given population is infected with 1-3% dying.
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Kenya testing may be highly unreliable. I am doubting if kemri put the testing approval through the rigour required. FDA announced that most test are high unreliable to be deployed widely
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Robina
Am not sold on the Chinese COVID numbers. I think its like 100million infected with 30k dead. Am basing my numbers on whats trending in each given area. Looks like 10% of any given population is infected with 1-3% dying.
I believe the Chinese on covid-19 because :
1. Total lockdown of Wuhan and other cities was in the news. This is effective as we are seeing the slowdown from mere curfews and curtailed inter-county mobility in Kenya.
2. The easing of the lockdowns shows containment. Lockdown was 2 months - Jan to March. A relatively short period for 30k deaths. The quick containment equal few infections and deaths. You can't cure even 1m folks in 2 months.... the 80k makes more sense.
3. China leads in medtech (ventilators, etc), pharma research and manufacture, medical infra, etc. The US has had to swallow her pride and not only reverse the Trump tariffs but actually zero-rate medical tariffs on China. Logically this efficiency and capacity cannot be restricted to saving the globe but not their own. They put up a covid-19 hospital in 10 days!
4. I am not sold on the motivation for Chinese cheating. This is not GDP. What stops the other countries from such cheating? Especially when the charges are from Trump and Pompeo. WHO, EU and others have not questioned the numbers.
5. No senior Chinese official has fallen ill... this would be difficult to conceal for the top cremé. Nor any celebs - say Lee Keqiang, Jack Ma, Carrie Lam, Kai-fu Lee, Reng Zhengfei - such calibre are all around while we see them pop off in the west, Asia and Africa. If they had 100m infections - what are the chances? 8) If a rockstar dies how do you spin that?
6. The west fumbled with our denialism and hubris. Then slow action. Trump dismissed it as a haux same as climate change. An incredible 3 months since the outbreak - with infections and deaths thru the roof - many states here in the US are still not on lockdown.
In short don't fall for Trump and US sour grapes about China. Even the GDP stories - the source is always our govt and media 8) In geopolitics, geowars, geoeconomics there is no distinction between CNN, MSNBC, Fox, Congress and the State Department. The brazen lies these guys tell about Huawei, Syria, etc are not isolated. Now the "first world" are shamelessly fighting over Chinese med supplies... Kibra style :)
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Kenya is cooking figures. Pulling them out their collective bottom
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Looting and mayhem has started in South Africa as total lockdown causes hunger in urban slums.
I wonder how it’s going in Kenya.
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Kenyan in urban slums have run back to the villages. Once another window opens after 21 days inter county travel cessation ends urban slums will be deserted as all those remaining will be broke without a shilling.
Police brutality under this vulnerable illegitimate jubilee will crush any rioting without limits. Kenyan police are just unhinged - total animals.
The police are already milking dry curfew and quarantine rules - shop break ins, illegal towing of vehicles, extortions.
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Five Kenyan truck drivers test positive in Uganda. Are they picking it along the way or from ship crews/cargo at the port and KPA staff?
https://www.pmldaily.com/news/2020/04/breaking-uganda-confirms-11-coronavirus-cases.html
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Five Kenyan truck drivers test positive in Uganda. Are they picking it along the way or from ship crews/cargo at the port and KPA staff?..
Corona is widespread in kenya. It is only that those kemri test kits are shitty
https://www.pmldaily.com/news/2020/04/breaking-uganda-confirms-11-coronavirus-cases.html
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Been away for a while. Hope this is the right place. I see .net yet I left behind. Org.
First I think Kenya is heading to a very hard place. They saw the outbreak as a money maker the same way they cannibalize narcotics caught by Australians pretend to destroy but all the time saying "this is too much money to be destroyed".
Those of us who had seen this thing coming were aghast. We heard stories of how people in GoK thought it was just a flu and how they were buying Right Wing conspiracy theories and realized the intelligentsia planned to screw us in the asshole bila vaseline
So here we are. They are cooking figures. They are banking on charity. International charity. They gave up on fighting the virus and are now more concerned with how Ruto will use it to overturn the Uhuru Kenyatta kleptocracy.
I expect it to blow out massively. Health centers will collapse because nurses without protective clothing and resources will bolt.
The next level will also collapse. Referral hospitals will only function because the few uninfected policemen will be guarding them. Did I say the military will eventually come in?
We've seen this in DRC, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea during the Ebola crisis
Yet Ebola is slower than Coronavirus. It's less contagious. Yet it easily overwhelmed health systems. Bodies couldn't be buried. People fled from Sierra Leone to Liberia and liberians fled to Sierra Leone. Total confusion.
I haven't seen anything to say it'll be different.
The police force will collapse. They shut their doors or abandon stations rather than get infected by people seeking services.
I sincerely pray that it be different.
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Omollo glad to see you back just in time. Your detractors sometimes wish you got mentioned in the daily weather forecast, if you get me. No, your prognosis is too bleak. Kenya is no Italy even if we all have vultures. The numbers are not indicative of the direction you're pointing. Otherwise we would have been the outsourced Wuhan province of CCP. Infection rates may be high but morbidity low. Assuming they are testing right. Those bodybags must be returned to China without being unpacked. RTS.
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Finally, Magufuli has let the cat out of the bag. Fenesi, paipai, mbuzi na kadhalika. Testing positive at ordinal number n..... using Chinese equipment and reagents.
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the ineptitude of many 3rd world governments can not allow them to engage in mass testing. they have plundered all resources which could have supported mass testing. by testing 500 samples per day, the government is doing serious pr stunts for itself while the actual numbers on the ground are simply dire. assuming we have a population of 50m, we are still to hit 50000 tests to make 0.1% tests on total population. 0.1% .
recently heard some well read people talking about how Kenya is flattening the curve. Which curve? Mediocrity.
This government statistics are wrongly interpreted by rural Kenya to mean that we have only 700 cases. The government should take these as representative figures and actually show people the real estimates on the ground. That way, people will be more cautious and refrain from assuming that the storm is over. The government should not fear since it did not create the virus; truth can help in fighting the virus.
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Accoring KNSB 2019 Census, Kenya has population 1 million over the age of 65. So if we say that 10% of these have serious underlying conditions that will be 100K if we then say that 35K of these live in the urban setting and 5 counties with most cases then you have 35K people to worry about. Kenya can afford 35K deaths without even breaking a sweat. At 65 years you are either a burden to society or you are of no use just a consuming unproductive thing.
Conclusion: Wanjohi wa Vitenge open the economy mathafacker
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n the latest extension of COVID19 stay at home order in Kenya I think GOK is over doing this. In Kenya the population that is over 65 years is 1 million. Majority of this population is at home most of the time or in rural areas after retiring from the urban areas. These demographic is the one that I would think will be more likely to have underlying conditions that can cause complications due COVID 19. So if we do just quick math about 20 percent of this population is in the 5 counties under cease of movement orders. If we just assume that 100K of this group has underlying conditions and that 20 percent would be infected in the worst case scenario and that 10 percent 20,00 would die.. Do we need to spend all the resources and efforts preventing 2,000 deaths? Do we even think that there would be 2,000 deaths at the current death rate of?
GOK owes Kenyans duty to tell them what is the worst case scenario if we do nothing and is the best case scenario if do all we can. I think the 40 days of curfew have definitely slowed Corona infections. We need to start to reopen the economy in the next 21 days. This disease will be with us for decades to come. A vaccine is 2 years out, so are we gonna be hiding in the house for 2 years and walking around hiding from each other.
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Killing a fly with a sledgehammer.
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Killing a fly with a sledgehammer.
Like most pandemics, it's rare to know exactly what's happening in real time. It may be years before we know for sure. I think better safe than sorry applies in this case. That should not prevent people from asking questions though.
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as of 22nd may 2020, kenya has now tested 55,074 of its 50,000,000 people with 1,161 +cases. if this is a representative statistic to go by, then we can roughly calculate the probable number of people infected as 50,000,000/55,074 X 1161 = 1,054,036. mp kiarie was right.
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✔ 3,077 samples tested in the past 24 hours
✔ 67,341 samples tested so far
✔ 123 new positive cases
✔ 1, 471 Total confirmed cases
✔ 3 recoveries today
✔ 408 Total discharged and recovered.
✔ 3 fatalities today
✔ 55 Total fatalities
Totally no justification for the restrictions; police brutality; coming economic ruin
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They have stolen and redirected all the covid monies. Stay at home with your corona.
https://www.nation.co.ke/dailynation/news/covid-19-home-care-floated-for-asymptomatic-patients-499568
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This one is a bit bizarre case amidst the poor reporting. We still have a lot of learning even for those who have recovered, yet government seems clueless on follow up.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-06-07-patient-who-recovered-from-covid-19-dies/
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Long time here from .org to net. I see uhunye is still copy pasting USA behavior to fit kenyan situation. I would like to bet on when most USA airlines start flying internationally beginning july 1st you will hear uhunye claim he has consulted specialists and he is opening kenya airspace as well.
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The virus is here to stay. I bet you since the restrictions have been lifted. The snow birds from Florida will fly back up north and cause another big out break that will peak in September and devastate US like nonsense. This disease is lethal. If you are 45 and over and you are Black stay the fuck away from people
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200518144915.htm
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Much respect to healthcare workers. These people are brave and real heroes. You need balls of steal and a lot of compassion to work through such a pandemic
https://time.com/wyckoff-hospital-brooklyn-coronavirus/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_term=health_covid-19&linkId=90693191
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Coronavirus: Dexamethasone proves first life-saving drug
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281
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the south and West of America is about to have a real reckoning. If you have money time to get into morgue business in Texas and Arizona. Get a few Trailers with cold storage and you will be in business
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Covid-19 knows no boundary.. UON fraternity mourns Dr Ken Ouko, he succumbed days after testing positive for Covid-19
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Kenyans will die until wapate adabu. Folks are still moving around drinking and socializing
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Kenyans will die until wapate adabu. Folks are still moving around drinking and socializing
Kenyans, and Africans are still not dying like Americans. And yet, by American standards, there is really no social distancing happening. Most of the time, when something this dangerous(as far as I believe) strikes Africa, we see scenes from hell.
I think Dr. Stella Immanuel is a kook, demon sperm and all. She also mentioned that hydroxychloroquine is commonly used in Africa and therefore it's not dangerous(I think that is true). Could it also be the reason why Africans are not getting the same bang for the buck with Covid-19? Could why Africans are not dying so much hold the answer to this disease?
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The quarantining of those who were flying in worked in stopping crazy explosion. A healthy young population too easily shaking off the infection.
Tanzania with no masks, no restrictions is doing well. The Mkapa burial people were all over even the old timers.
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Kenyans will die until wapate adabu. Folks are still moving around drinking and socializing
Kenyans, and Africans are still not dying like Americans. And yet, by American standards, there is really no social distancing happening. Most of the time, when something this dangerous(as far as I believe) strikes Africa, we see scenes from hell.
I think Dr. Stella Immanuel is a kook, demon sperm and all. She also mentioned that hydroxychloroquine is commonly used in Africa and therefore it's not dangerous(I think that is true). Could it also be the reason why Africans are not getting the same bang for the buck with Covid-19? Could why Africans are not dying so much hold the answer to this disease?
THe malaria drugs used in USA are very toxic. They are not well researched like the ones we have at home. There was a drug that soldiers used during GULFwar for malaria prevention. It made a lot of them have mental problems that resulted in someone waking up and killing the whole family as a result of paranoia. I was prescribed a drug called Planquenil one time. That drug is a devil drug it can lead to eyesight. I think TRump messed with Hdydro and you can see he is now in ill health
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Kenyans will die until wapate adabu. Folks are still moving around drinking and socializing
And the Bukusu are still circumcising. Bars countrywide are closed yet all night upto 6am, 7am, 8am in a Bukusu homestead 'barengehe" (laid out the local brew) and are dancing away with culture dance where whilst drunk or sober they hold each other, zero social distance no masks. I think God loves the Bukusu but I am waiting for Aug 14th, two weeks timeframe when Corona starts dropping Bungoma county residents like flies.. SMDH :-\
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The quarantining of those who were flying in worked in stopping crazy explosion. A healthy young population too easily shaking off the infection.
Tanzania with no masks, no restrictions is doing well. The Mkapa burial people were all over even the old timers.
TZ seems unaffected. But it's not because those folks are healthy. Magufuli is a crackpot, but he may yet be lucky this one time. I don't buy the lack of community spread. That is history in most countries.
But I totally agree with your observation of people going about their lives like there is nothing with no consequences. And, no, these folks are otherwise generally not the image of robust health. That is what is baffling.
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Kenyans will die until wapate adabu. Folks are still moving around drinking and socializing
And the Bukusu are still circumcising. Bars countrywide are closed yet all night upto 6am, 7am, 8am in a Bukusu homestead 'barengehe" (laid out the local brew) and are dancing away with culture dance where whilst drunk or sober they hold each other, zero social distance no masks. I think God loves the Bukusu but I am waiting for Aug 14th, two weeks timeframe when Corona starts dropping Bungoma county residents like flies.. SMDH :-\
They are obsessed with this "imbalu" thing aren't they? Why don't they abandon it and just do it in hospital?
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Kenyans will die until wapate adabu. Folks are still moving around drinking and socializing
And the Bukusu are still circumcising. Bars countrywide are closed yet all night upto 6am, 7am, 8am in a Bukusu homestead 'barengehe" (laid out the local brew) and are dancing away with culture dance where whilst drunk or sober they hold each other, zero social distance no masks. I think God loves the Bukusu but I am waiting for Aug 14th, two weeks timeframe when Corona starts dropping Bungoma county residents like flies.. SMDH :-\
They are obsessed with this "imbalu" thing aren't they? Why don't they abandon it and just do it in hospital?
At a time of hardship especially Youth unemployment and Corona, how do you give up a month in your life where moving from homestead to homestead you are guaranteed a full meal(s) each day? The only guy who will think like you is the homestead owner who in the name of fulfillment of cultural rites is set back at least 100K feeding people 80% who invited themselves.
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We are not going to die like flies. Mwafrika is fighting off the virus like champs - our lives we have fought worse challenges wanting to kill us.
The hysteria is mainly with obese elites with all sort of preexisting conditions. Even our healthcare workers are just doing well with all the risky exposure given most have no PPEs or are recycling - such a shithole as Uhuru relatives share out billions! Too bad for that Lugaliki lady and others who will be exposed due to corrupt Mafya House.
The number of Kenyans possibly infected with Covid-19 has been scaled down to at least 1.6 million after further analysis of antibody tests.
Exposure in the entire population could be higher because the 1.6 million are only those aged 15 to 64 years as at June 16.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-08-03-16-million-kenyans-carry-covid-19-antibodies-study/?fbclid=IwAR2em9zq7XZO9ouTb__TNgy0YhyHjWK7FLYBBx5Nc-rITnnAdmhXdlFogcg
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Kenyans will die until wapate adabu. Folks are still moving around drinking and socializing
And the Bukusu are still circumcising. Bars countrywide are closed yet all night upto 6am, 7am, 8am in a Bukusu homestead 'barengehe" (laid out the local brew) and are dancing away with culture dance where whilst drunk or sober they hold each other, zero social distance no masks. I think God loves the Bukusu but I am waiting for Aug 14th, two weeks timeframe when Corona starts dropping Bungoma county residents like flies.. SMDH :-\
They are obsessed with this "imbalu" thing aren't they? Why don't they abandon it and just do it in hospital?
At a time of hardship especially Youth unemployment and Corona, how do you give up a month in your life where moving from homestead to homestead you are guaranteed a full meal(s) each day? The only guy who will think like you is the homestead owner who in the name of fulfillment of cultural rites is set back at least 100K feeding people 80% who invited themselves.
You may have a point. Different pressures force different priorities. I noticed that Bukusus(and Luhyas in general) didn't have female circumcision. But they had male circumcision. This is unusual in Kenya as far as I can tell. What's the history behind that?
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No more testing. Let's kick mzungu nonsense and go Magufuli way and have BBI politics blow dust to eyes of corona coalition.
The mismanagement cost will be recovered in 15+ years in education, health and obvious economy.
https://citizentv.co.ke/news/who-drop-in-covid-19-cases-in-kenya-a-result-of-low-testing-contract-tracing-343719/
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Kenyans will die until wapate adabu. Folks are still moving around drinking and socializing
And the Bukusu are still circumcising. Bars countrywide are closed yet all night upto 6am, 7am, 8am in a Bukusu homestead 'barengehe" (laid out the local brew) and are dancing away with culture dance where whilst drunk or sober they hold each other, zero social distance no masks. I think God loves the Bukusu but I am waiting for Aug 14th, two weeks timeframe when Corona starts dropping Bungoma county residents like flies.. SMDH :-\
They are obsessed with this "imbalu" thing aren't they? Why don't they abandon it and just do it in hospital?
At a time of hardship especially Youth unemployment and Corona, how do you give up a month in your life where moving from homestead to homestead you are guaranteed a full meal(s) each day? The only guy who will think like you is the homestead owner who in the name of fulfillment of cultural rites is set back at least 100K feeding people 80% who invited themselves.
You may have a point. Different pressures force different priorities. I noticed that Bukusus(and Luhyas in general) didn't have female circumcision. But they had male circumcision. This is unusual in Kenya as far as I can tell. What's the history behind that?
We may seem a parochial society but IMHO the bukusu focus. Male circumcision is a rite of passage. FGM serves an additional purpose, that of controlling women's sexuality... Now often you read about Luhyia men 'terrorizing" / potezarizing women of other tribes and races.. why would a luyhia man want her woman to have no desire?
FGM is not aligned to our culture.
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Are you guys headed for winter lockdown with us?
Uhuru calls another Covid-19 summit to review measures
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/nairobi/article/2001391809/uhuru-convenes-another-covid-19-summit-to-review-measures
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Uhuru is very happy with the restrictions. It is the only thing left through which to remind people who have moved on that he is still powerful president.
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Covid has now entered eac region. By end of next month Ugandans will die in droves. Then ss and then Tanzania. It will go to Congo and then come back to kenya. It is going to clean up the population culling the weak and sick
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I hear Kenyans are starting to die..but nobody cares...we have to stop or start reggae.
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Precisely. He really want to stop lameduck thing. That is why he is bitter than politicians are campaigning. I don't know what he want them to do. There is a reason constitution disallow politicians in cabinet...although Tuju sits there illegally.
Uhuru is very happy with the restrictions. It is the only thing left through which to remind people who have moved on that he is still powerful president.
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Herd immunity through political rallies has continued.
Hypocrisy galore. PR for mzungu donors that we are doing something unlike Magufuli will continue.