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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on February 23, 2020, 08:09:52 AM
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Not even a desparado like Kalonzo buys it https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001361474/nasa-principals-read-from-different-scripts-on-pm-post
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This is the nth tread Pundit has started on BBI an d exec PM. NASA died after 2017 so it matters little what NASA principals think separately. What should worry you is that Jubilee principals think differently on BBI and the high priest is in trouble with serious matters related or not related to BBI. Doktari Gideon prescribed prayers.
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:D :D you're right someone projecting anxiety.
This is the nth tread Pundit has started on BBI an d exec PM. NASA died after 2017 so it matters little what NASA principals think separately. What should worry you is that Jubilee principals think differently on BBI and the high priest is in trouble with serious matters related or not related to BBI. Doktari Gideon prescribed prayers.
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Raila is not a fool so he doesn't monopolize the debate. 3rd tier is DOA - majority opinion is informal regional economic blocks chaired by county governors. Johos and retiring governors can run for MP in parliamentary - they can be CS's.
Exec PM is loading.. buckle up. Jubilee Supreme Leader is on board. Noone is bothered with Ruto incoherent frog noises. Even Pundit can't tell what the bloke wants.
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This is the nth tread Pundit has started on BBI an d exec PM. NASA died after 2017 so it matters little what NASA principals think separately. What should worry you is that Jubilee principals think differently on BBI and the high priest is in trouble with serious matters related or not related to BBI. Doktari Gideon prescribed prayers.
Thanks for the count.When you finally ammend this katiba that few years ago you told us was near perfect kindly update me with the count.In meantime allow me to respond to the news and events as they emerge
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Raila is not a fool so he doesn't monopolize the debate. 3rd tier is DOA - majority opinion is informal regional economic blocks chaired by county governors. Johos and retiring governors can run for MP in parliamentary - they can be CS's.
Exec PM is loading.. buckle up. Jubilee Supreme Leader is on board. Noone is bothered with Ruto incoherent frog noises. Even Pundit can't tell what the bloke wants.
if he wasn't a fool he would long be pork...now he is facing Ruto..who is about 25yrs younger.One and half generation.The idea to bribe Uhuru with executive pm is laughable.. because if it's so good why is Raila not going for it.The same way you now realize that regional counties won't work..you also realize matters Constitution have been canvassed the last 30 yrs.Since I became political conscious in STD 7.These are not easy task n it took us a war in 2007 to final do this.Everyone has their idea and constitutional changes are rarely made in peace time because nobody can compromise.Now we have reached a position where we go to change the Constitution to bribe Uhuru and joho.Not everyone is senile like Babu.If you love Uhuru so much you want him to continue as executive leader..we can easily remove term limits.Its just a single sentence.Nothing stop gov from devovling 80% to counties because the law set the minimum.In fact if I was Ruto I would call ODM bluff by campaigning to remove term limits...and join Atwoli & Sonko by claiming Uhuru need time to complete his Agenda 4.Then we will see odm love for Uhuru.
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Term limits will not be removed any time soon. The reason Raila is not going for Exec PM is because the presidency will remain the symbol of power in .ke for some time. Uhuru is still too young to retire, or so we are told. Ruto on the other hand needs prayers, so Doktari Giddy says. How is Echesa doing so far?
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if he wasn't a fool he would long be pork...now he is facing Ruto..who is about 25yrs younger.One and half generation.The idea to bribe Uhuru with executive pm is laughable.. because if it's so good why is Raila not going for it.The same way you now realize that regional counties won't work..you also realize matters Constitution have been canvassed the last 30 yrs.Since I became political conscious in STD 7.These are not easy task n it took us a war in 2007 to final do this.Everyone has their idea and constitutional changes are rarely made in peace time because nobody can compromise.Now we have reached a position where we go to change the Constitution to bribe Uhuru and joho.Not everyone is senile like Babu.If you love Uhuru so much you want him to continue as executive leader..we can easily remove term limits.Its just a single sentence.Nothing stop gov from devovling 80% to counties because the law set the minimum.In fact if I was Ruto I would call ODM bluff by campaigning to remove term limits...and join Atwoli & Sonko by claiming Uhuru need time to complete his Agenda 4.Then we will see odm love for Uhuru.
Well katiba has been overhauled twice before - peacetime 1969. 2010 in wartime. Both cases had incumbent PORK and main opposition support exactly as now. Few Shikukus and Rutos made noise and were overrun both times.
Only 4 people have been PORK so far. Raila on the clock need to set record as first ceremonial president - and crown his tombstone as 3rd liberation/parliamentary hero. 2 tribe monopoly shows a problem and non-Gema can't wait. Atoning sins of their fathers is the best thing Raila and Uhuru can do for Kenya.
Raila is doing just fine. Kibaki had no 50%+1 barrier to babysit Raila ... Ruto was dumped a second after the second election. Ruto need to be opposition leader for 10yrs before dreaming of Kenya CEO job. As you can see nothing he touches last a second - Kanu, UDM, URP, Jubilee. He is too greedy and selfish to back Uhuru 2.0 - call Raila bluff - instead he attempt to usurp Gema. Now his delusional friend Kiunjuri is equally attempting to bell the cat. No punditry is needed to tell he is going nowhere.
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Robina, we use to have this debate with kichwa.He was convinced Kibaki was preparing the way for Raila.Then Ruto let's ignore your new love as of now was facing ICC.Many at this stage thought the possibility of either being anywhere but Hague was laughable.We know how that went.I can tell you for free...Raila is being entertained and eventually he will be left high and dry.Unless of course you're willing to ammend the term limit.The rest are nonsense.Uhuru has a little window before they become like Mois in Kalenjin..respected but ignored.If he insist on behaving like he has lost his mind and has been betwitched..he wine respected but if ignored.You should read a new bookabout Kenya politics by wazungu usual suspects
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Exactly Ruto has no Uhuru nor ICC to hang to. Unlike 2013. It is a mountain climb. Of course it a contradiction that Uhuru is bewitched but also playing Raila. You have no rebuttal for Uhuru 2.0 so you have laughable witchcraft. It clear as day who is being played.
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Uhuru first business is to convince his people..some of whom are in this fora.When to that happens..we will know we it on Without that happening we are usual Raila run to nowhere
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Uhuru strategy for that is rather clear, no? He has hammered governors, senators and a growing lineup of MPs into line. Yet he doesn't need them for referendum. After that you know the drill - with Raila locking non-Gema Ruto will desperately need to land Gema almost to a man... against Uhuru 8)
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Judiciary gave Uhuru devolution and now scared governors - are taking instructions from Harambee house. That is all there is to this. Otherwise the lameduck cannot hammer anybody else.
Uhuru strategy for that is rather clear, no? He has hammered governors, senators and a growing lineup of MPs into line. Yet he doesn't need them for referendum. After that you know the drill - with Raila locking non-Gema Ruto will desperately need to land Gema almost to a man... against Uhuru 8)
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Only 3 or 4 senators back Ruto in Gema. If you were objective you would not ignore all signs but "big events". Likes of Maa, Kamba and Luhya actively backing Raila BBI rallies should worry you.
Here's more reality vs punditry :)
Ruto isolated as rifts widen in Jubilee Party
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Ruto-isolated-as-rifts-widen-in-Jubilee-Party/3126390-5466600-70e5osz/index.html
Judiciary gave Uhuru devolution and now scared governors - are taking instructions from Harambee house. That is all there is to this. Otherwise the lameduck cannot hammer anybody else.
Uhuru strategy for that is rather clear, no? He has hammered governors, senators and a growing lineup of MPs into line. Yet he doesn't need them for referendum. After that you know the drill - with Raila locking non-Gema Ruto will desperately need to land Gema almost to a man... against Uhuru 8)
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By the way Pundit when are Jubilee elections? Uhuru boy Tuju is on medical tour in London so it should be easy for Ruto to pull a coup. Instead he is more isolated.
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Robina I thought we already dealt with luhya and kamba and Maasai...none wants bbi2.0.They want bbi 1.0.Only ODM n Robina wants a parliamentary systems with executive pm and regional assemblies.Reality 101 after dancing lame.
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By the way Pundit when are Jubilee elections? Uhuru boy Tuju is on medical tour in London so it should be easy for Ruto to pull a coup. Instead he is more isolated.
Uhuru or Tuju cannot take away jubilee except if they pull Imanyara mugambi n keep the certificate.The party is with Ruto and Ruto is the party.Uhuru is afraid to call a PG because he will get a dressing down.
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Uhuru or Tuju cannot take away jubilee except if they pull Imanyara mugambi n keep the certificate.The party is with Ruto and Ruto is the party.Uhuru is afraid to call a PG because he will get a dressing down.
Why can't Ruto call elections or even a PG?
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Robina I thought we already dealt with luhya and kamba and Maasai...none wants bbi2.0.They want bbi 1.0.Only ODM n Robina wants a parliamentary systems with executive pm and regional assemblies.Reality 101 after dancing lame.
All rallies are calling for Executive PM - parliamentary. Even noisy Mdvd seem to be seeking accomodation as DPM or something. Let see what Meru call for.
Basically it a poor strategy to oppose sharing of power. It is really why Ruto has no big takers outside Kalenjin. Not intimidation.
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See what maDVD n Kalonzo presentation talks about in their submission.Read a thread before responding twice.
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I did read that... they want hybrid with PM fired by 2/3 MPs and not PORK. Of course we know who control BBI.
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And did you notice Raila went to Murang'a and claimed that BBI is not meant to make Uhuru the PM?
Of you did read something from that. Because if Uhuru being PM was popular in Mt. Kenya Raila would have shouted from rooftops. Even him understand Uhuru backyard are not for Executive PM or whoever.
Take Note.
I did read that... they want hybrid with PM fired by 2/3 MPs and not PORK. Of course we know who control BBI.
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BBI 2.0 is unpopular. These issues were canvassed in 90s and 20s. We couldn't agree on 3 tier regional gov. We cannot agree now. Kenyans will never ALLOW MPS to elect their executive ANYTHING. Never gonna happen. Parliamentary forget like your forgot your mother's breast milk (a popular kalenjin saying).
Conclusion...BBI 1.0 is great...pass it already otherwise NONE OF IT will pass.
I did read that... they want hybrid with PM fired by 2/3 MPs and not PORK. Of course we know who control BBI.
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Good for the goose... bad for the gander. Kiraitu literally asked Ruto and Linturi to keep off
All set for Meru BBI rally as Raila hosts Mt Kenya governors
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uGJDY7ADLg0YNWaGdTxU5CdfdJbxb126CaiyrWsEhocpnikall6iYvUAVvOdUE2-W3rimCGB8hcbsIY9PEPaEWIn8NzTNA=s750)
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-02-25-all-set-for-meru-bbi-rally-as-raila-hosts-mt-kenya-governors/
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Pundit your boy is flying into serious headwinds... if this doesn't make it clear to you on Uhuru intentions you're just an ostrich. We long gave up on waiting for your MAD as all your redlines were breached.
Uhuru men, tycoons plot to kick Ruto out of Mt Kenya
Waiguru, an influential Mt Kenya figure in the BBI campaign, declared that the push to expand the executive — opposed by Ruto camp — would benefit the region by handing Uhuru a powerful role in 2022.
“Tujipange (Let us plan) so that we don't have a time when the reign of the country will go outside the House of Mumbi,” Waiguru told the Safari Park meeting.
Waiguru told the meeting that President Uhuru Kenyatta had mooted the BBI idea to benefit the community after the next polls.
“The President had seen far but because he is the President, he could not stand up and tell you that he was looking for things for you in BBI (sic),” Waiguru said.
She declared that the region's kingpin will remain President Uhuru even after the 2022 polls.
“We would like to tell Moi's people (Rift Valley) we as the Kikuyu, Embu and Meru we have one leader called Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta and he is the one who will show us the way to go,” Munga said.
Nyandarua Governor Francis Kimemia said Mt Kenya is united under President Uhuru, the de facto leader of the region.
Kimemia, who also attended the Safari Park Hotel meeting on Monday night, said the region had agreed on a couple of economic and political issues that will be presented to the BBI rally on February 29.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-02-26-uhuru-men-tycoons-plot-to-kick-ruto-out-of-mt-kenya/
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Wachana na Kiraitu. He knows where Meru stands on this BBI thing. Probably the only genuine person there is Waiguru because as Sweetheart, she has to defend her boyfriend (maybe ex?) And she knows he won't be back as Kirinyaga Governor. She insisted on supporting Uhuru and bad mouthing Ruto and that has sealed her political fate.
TangaTanga mulling some "show of force" whereby 200MPs turns out to that Meru BBI. And if Ruto makes a show (as ground is demanding) then ndio utaona popularity contest kati ya Raila na Ruto in Meru.
Kiraitu is trying to avoid a showdown. He doesn't want EACC And DCI visiting him.
Wait and see.
Good for the goose... bad for the gander. Kiraitu literally asked Ruto and Linturi to keep off
All set for Meru BBI rally as Raila hosts Mt Kenya governors
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uGJDY7ADLg0YNWaGdTxU5CdfdJbxb126CaiyrWsEhocpnikall6iYvUAVvOdUE2-W3rimCGB8hcbsIY9PEPaEWIn8NzTNA=s750)
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-02-25-all-set-for-meru-bbi-rally-as-raila-hosts-mt-kenya-governors/
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Garliv, everyone who disagrees with Ruto or supports BBI has not been intimidated. That's ostrich syndrome. What has intimidated the senators? Kang'ata, Effy Maina, Ndwiga and most of them are pro- BBI.
Pundit is AWOL of course :)
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Governors long became official biatches of gov. That is why Sonko did honourable thing and handed Nairobi to Uhuru. I blame Judiciary moronic ruling. A governor should only be removed through impeachment and constitution provision - not suspended by Judiciary. The rest of governors need to also waive the white flag and line up in statehouse - and sign off their duties. Either way they are done. Because you have to appease the ground and appease harambee house. Two difficult choices.
Garliv, everyone who disagrees with Ruto or supports BBI has not been intimidated. That's ostrich syndrome. What has intimidated the senators? Kang'ata, Effy Maina, Ndwiga and most of them are pro- BBI.
Pundit is AWOL of course :)
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For one Robina, people have realised that the officially unveiled BBI is not exactly what Raila/Uhuru team is talking about. A lot of confusion has set in. And now most people view BBI as "kupiga Ruto.." Even yourself you admit as much.
Second, am telling you there has been a lot of intimidation And Governors are the most affected. There was a time Kiraitu had planned to host Ruto at Meru. Then allover sudden media started publishing some financial misdeeds of Meru County. Kiraitu did the survival instincts and went quite. When Ruto made it to Meru Kiraitu purposely was not present but he had everything organised for Ruto.
Then after Narok BBI Rally even most ardent supporters of BBI are at a loss how to explain this animal called BBI. Cause it doesn't look as if uniting anyone. And if you know Kenya and its ethnic suspicion then you should realise a lot of negativity was generated by that Narok rally. For us who are against BBI machinations we wouldn't have found a better wrecking ball than Ole Kina.
Garliv, everyone who disagrees with Ruto or supports BBI has not been intimidated. That's ostrich syndrome. What has intimidated the senators? Kang'ata, Effy Maina, Ndwiga and most of them are pro- BBI.
Pundit is AWOL of course :)
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Please explain why half Mt Kenya senators have defected to Kieleweke?
Secondly, all the mobilization of these governors, senators, CSs, businessmen, etc - says what about Uhuru intentions with BBI? Or this is not a major event :)
Governors long became official biatches of gov. That is why Sonko did honourable thing and handed Nairobi to Uhuru. I blame Judiciary moronic ruling. A governor should only be removed through impeachment and constitution provision - not suspended by Judiciary. The rest of governors need to also waive the white flag and line up in statehouse - and sign off their duties. Either way they are done. Because you have to appease the ground and appease harambee house. Two difficult choices.
Garliv, everyone who disagrees with Ruto or supports BBI has not been intimidated. That's ostrich syndrome. What has intimidated the senators? Kang'ata, Effy Maina, Ndwiga and most of them are pro- BBI.
Pundit is AWOL of course :)
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The ground game will decide. Otherwise supporting Raila in mt Kenya remains the surest path to opposition benches.The ground need to soften - otherwise, this same strategy has failed from day go.
Please explain why half Mt Kenya senators have defected to Kieleweke?
Secondly, all the mobilization of these governors, senators, CSs, businessmen, etc - says what about Uhuru intentions with BBI? Or this is not a major event :)
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That is a problem really - they cannot come and reveal what BBI they are talking about really is about. So we wait again till June to know what animal we are talking about. Never seen something like this before...
For one Robina, people have realised that the officially unveiled BBI is not exactly what Raila/Uhuru team is talking about. A lot of confusion has set in. And now most people view BBI as "kupiga Ruto.." Even yourself you admit as much.
Second, am telling you there has been a lot of intimidation And Governors are the most affected. There was a time Kiraitu had planned to host Ruto at Meru. Then allover sudden media started publishing some financial misdeeds of Meru County. Kiraitu did the survival instincts and went quite. When Ruto made it to Meru Kiraitu purposely was not present but he had everything organised for Ruto.
Then after Narok BBI Rally even most ardent supporters of BBI are at a loss how to explain this animal called BBI. Cause it doesn't look as if uniting anyone. And if you know Kenya and its ethnic suspicion then you should realise a lot of negativity was generated by that Narok rally. For us who are against BBI machinations we wouldn't have found a better wrecking ball than Ole Kina.
Garliv, everyone who disagrees with Ruto or supports BBI has not been intimidated. That's ostrich syndrome. What has intimidated the senators? Kang'ata, Effy Maina, Ndwiga and most of them are pro- BBI.
Pundit is AWOL of course :)
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No one has defected. It's survival and besides the published BBI is generally not problematic. But all senior politicians know what version of BBI is preferred by Raila/Uhuru. We are waiting for official unveiling.
You see most have to play ball especially in Mt. Kenya region as Uhuru parades his power fangs in most unreasonable way. Consultations are underway to finally seek a compromise with Uhuru. If it fails then he will be told that he will be alone as he pursue some dreamland Executive PM.
Please explain why half Mt Kenya senators have defected to Kieleweke?
Secondly, all the mobilization of these governors, senators, CSs, businessmen, etc - says what about Uhuru intentions with BBI? Or this is not a major event :)
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And Raila wants to milk the uncertainties until he's assured people are ready with his version of BBI. Which most would, and will, never accept. It's a conundrum.
Then this idea of going round the country seeking each region/community views to be included into BBI is opening a Pandora Box. Historical and buried grudges surface and yet there is no ready solution to them. Then this Raila/Uhuru BBI is actually very dangerous. It can easily set the country on fire. They somehow think they have solutions to each and every contradicting problems. Coast want Majimbo, so they agree. Maasai want "outsiders" to keep off "their land" so BBI pretend to Understand. Somalis want some Parliamentary system so they agree. Kikuyu want to be free to travel and own property all over the country, so BBI pretends to agree. Youth want job so BBI has solutions.
Total lunacy.
That is a problem really - they cannot come and reveal what BBI they are talking about really is about. So we wait again till June to know what animal we are talking about. Never seen something like this before...
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Intimidation is an okay spin same as Uhuru is bewitched :) Explains away the haemorrhage from Tangatanga into the BBI bandwagon. The list of Ruto defectors and deserters is a mile long but you will need a microscope to point out the reverse. By the time Uhuru announces formally there will be a STAMPEDE of Mlolongo babies back to Uhuru corner. Most will be locked out.
No, there are no "final consultations" going on... as you can see Mt Kenya has been regimented into Ruto and Uhuru factions. There were parallel meetings at Safari Park and Pacific hotels this week to galvanize. Safari Park was Uhuru team of Kiraitus and Mungas planning BBI in Meru. Pacific was usual Tangatanga suspects Kuria, Nyoro, Sudi, etc.
Now, Waiguru has joined Atwoli, Murathe,etc in "letting the cat out of the bag" about Uhuru's 2022 plans. I can tell you from all the way here in diaspora - it is common knowledge Uhuru is angling for PM. And that Ruto is finished. Even back home my Auntie's housegal and every goat herder knows Ruto is a marked man as Uhuru has refused to step down for him. It is not a secret nor a suspicion.
No one has defected. It's survival and besides the published BBI is generally not problematic. But all senior politicians know what version of BBI is preferred by Raila/Uhuru. We are waiting for official unveiling.
You see most have to play ball especially in Mt. Kenya region as Uhuru parades his power fangs in most unreasonable way. Consultations are underway to finally seek a compromise with Uhuru. If it fails then he will be told that he will be alone as he pursue some dreamland Executive PM.
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BBI parliamentary report has been ready since March 2018... the rest is PR to lineup support. Ruto ran around campaigning while pretending to launch projects - his "whirlwind tours" - now it is Raila's turn and he doesn't like it hence the noises. It comes down to that Kenya politics is a tripod with 3 legs - 2 non-Gema and one Gema. Ruto has next to zero chance of beating Uhuru-Raila combo.
And Raila wants to milk the uncertainties until he's assured people are ready with his version of BBI. Which most would, and will, never accept. It's a conundrum.
Then this idea of going round the country seeking each region/community views to be included into BBI is opening a Pandora Box. Historical and buried grudges surface and yet there is no ready solution to them. Then this Raila/Uhuru BBI is actually very dangerous. It can easily set the country on fire. They somehow think they have solutions to each and every contradicting problems. Coast want Majimbo, so they agree. Maasai want "outsiders" to keep off "their land" so BBI pretend to Understand. Somalis want some Parliamentary system so they agree. Kikuyu want to be free to travel and own property all over the country, so BBI pretends to agree. Youth want job so BBI has solutions.
Total lunacy.
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions. So the saying goes.
Just because people may dislike Sonko, that in itself should not lead National government to wily nily take over Nairobi County duties. Just because Sonko's balls are between BBI hammer and Kamiti Jail he should not be forced to sign over County duties.
There is so much wrong with such a move that am speechless that champion of Devolution and nebulous regional governments are so subdued or are in a celebratory mood.
It was done in an illegal manner just like Waititu Impeachment and removal. All because people think these characters have become unpopular. Precedents are being set here.
Not right at all.
Governors long became official biatches of gov. That is why Sonko did honourable thing and handed Nairobi to Uhuru. I blame Judiciary moronic ruling. A governor should only be removed through impeachment and constitution provision - not suspended by Judiciary. The rest of governors need to also waive the white flag and line up in statehouse - and sign off their duties. Either way they are done. Because you have to appease the ground and appease harambee house. Two difficult choices.
Garliv, everyone who disagrees with Ruto or supports BBI has not been intimidated. That's ostrich syndrome. What has intimidated the senators? Kang'ata, Effy Maina, Ndwiga and most of them are pro- BBI.
Pundit is AWOL of course :)
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What point of pretending - Governor and DC - are not any different now. Both serve at the mercy of Kibicho in Harambee house. DC has a more secured tenure because at least PSC will protect them and deploy them to read newspapers in some funny office if they fallout with Kibicho or Uhuru. Now governors are all walking in eggs - one visit by Kibicho boy - DCI - and they are KAPUT - the cases will conclude in 2027.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. So the saying goes.
Just because people may dislike Sonko, that in itself should not lead National government to wily nily take over Nairobi County duties. Just because Sonko's balls are between BBI hammer and Kamiti Jail he should not be forced to sign over County duties.
There is so much wrong with such a move that am speechless that champion of Devolution and nebulous regional governments are so subdued or are in a celebratory mood.
It was done in an illegal manner just like Waititu Impeachment and removal. All because people think these characters have become unpopular. Precedents are being set here.
Not right at all.
Governors long became official biatches of gov. That is why Sonko did honourable thing and handed Nairobi to Uhuru. I blame Judiciary moronic ruling. A governor should only be removed through impeachment and constitution provision - not suspended by Judiciary. The rest of governors need to also waive the white flag and line up in statehouse - and sign off their duties. Either way they are done. Because you have to appease the ground and appease harambee house. Two difficult choices.
Garliv, everyone who disagrees with Ruto or supports BBI has not been intimidated. That's ostrich syndrome. What has intimidated the senators? Kang'ata, Effy Maina, Ndwiga and most of them are pro- BBI.
Pundit is AWOL of course :)
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Parliamentary is the better system so it doesn't matter strictly who nicks Exec PM. Raila of course is running circles around Ruto in non-Gema... who cannot make up his mind. Raila is not appeasing Gema like you wish - that Uhuru job to offer them "something big". Wanjiku doesn't grasp your intricate analysis about headcount or kms - all she knows is Ruto is unwanted and he might revenge by PEV2.
It comes down to Ruto vs Uhuru in Mt Kenya - because Raila has beaten Ruto in non-Gema. Raila is running home with this.
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Parliamentary is the better system so it doesn't matter strictly who nicks Exec PM. Raila of course is running circles around Ruto in non-Gema... who cannot make up his mind. Raila is not appeasing Gema like you wish - that Uhuru job to offer them "something big". Wanjiku doesn't grasp your intricate analysis about headcount or kms - all she knows is Ruto is unwanted and he might revenge by PEV2.
It comes down to Ruto vs Uhuru in Mt Kenya - because Raila has beaten Ruto in non-Gema. Raila is running home with this.
And once again if Uhuru doesn't show up for the fight with Ruot what Raila game plan...He has nothing as plan B.He entire plan is to trick GEMA to buy a parliamentary system that would disadvantage them.If GEMA buys that then withcraft is real.I got a bridge to nowhere I am selling too.
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It choreograhed - so expect token popular ideas to pass along with Exec PM - women DG's, 35% devolution, etc. No regions cause many folks don't want them. Winners will be non-Gema and Uhuru. Then Gema will have to choose - Uhuru 2.0 or lose twice :)
BBI 2.0 is unpopular. These issues were canvassed in 90s and 20s. We couldn't agree on 3 tier regional gov. We cannot agree now. Kenyans will never ALLOW MPS to elect their executive ANYTHING. Never gonna happen. Parliamentary forget like your forgot your mother's breast milk (a popular kalenjin saying).
Conclusion...BBI 1.0 is great...pass it already otherwise NONE OF IT will pass.
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Now you regale us with Governor is worse than DC.... cause they don't follow Ruto. Literally all governors follow BBI and it cause of the CS carrot in parliamentary. Or regional interest. In civilized world like US you are fingered for graft you go to jail not just home - they don't have right to impunity. This spin is just like "parliamentary is bad for Gema" - while we know it is just equitable and fair - ends the 2 tribe monopoly of power.
What point of pretending - Governor and DC - are not any different now. Both serve at the mercy of Kibicho in Harambee house. DC has a more secured tenure because at least PSC will protect them and deploy them to read newspapers in some funny office if they fallout with Kibicho or Uhuru. Now governors are all walking in eggs - one visit by Kibicho boy - DCI - and they are KAPUT - the cases will conclude in 2027.
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Robina, you're alone in BbI 2.0 because even odm know changes tune..https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/amp/article/2001362024/raila-proposes-a-weak-pm
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Well let us see what the BBI wazee report. It depend what Uhuru and Raila want - and the rest must choose yes or no.
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Well let us see what the BBI wazee report. It depend what Uhuru and Raila want - and the rest must choose yes or no.
Uhuru will not appear and Raila mouthpiece odm just appeared.Its over.It appears there are people around Uhuru doing their thing...likes of Waiguru n Matiangi aiming for PM.Not Uhuru.Otherwise how does Uhuru take a lame position.
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Uhuru will not appear and Raila mouthpiece odm just appeared.Its over.It appears there are people around Uhuru doing their thing...likes of Waiguru n Matiangi aiming for PM.Not Uhuru.Otherwise how does Uhuru take a lame position.
I see you are back to blaming Jezebel for everything. Waiguru or Kibicho has no gravitas to marshall all those governors and Gema elite - Mungas, KRA Waweru, Eddy Njoroge, etc - that Uhuru hand obviously. I asked you what would Uhuru gain by backing Raila for PORK without payback? He is betraying Ruto to be PM not for nothing. The man has said that himself - not just thru Atwoli, Waiguru and Munga.
So hold that horse... what exactly is over? Wiper wants majority party leader as PM to name cabinet - only fired by 2/3. Only the BBI wazee will produce final report. Raila and ODM of course will not play to Ruto advantage so not sure what excites you here.
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BBI 1.0 kaput. BBI 2.0 Kaput. I don't know what else you're expecting. BBI validation exercise will end soon - and wazee will go to write their report. Ruto and Jubilee will NOT appear before it.
I see you are back to blaming Jezebel for everything. Waiguru or Kibicho has no gravitas to marshall all those governors and Gema elite - Mungas, KRA Waweru, Eddy Njoroge, etc - that Uhuru hand obviously. I asked you what would Uhuru gain by backing Raila for PORK without payback? He is betraying Ruto to be PM not for nothing. The man has said that himself - not just thru Atwoli, Waiguru and Munga.
So hold that horse... what exactly is over? Wiper wants majority party leader as PM to name cabinet - only fired by 2/3. Only the BBI wazee will produce final report. Raila and ODM of course will not play to Ruto advantage so not sure what excites you here.
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Jubilee Supreme Leader formed BBI 1 and 2. Ruto and his minions won't appear cause they know it choreographed. It widely regarded as Ruto guillotine. Ruto presidency is goone.
BBI 1.0 kaput. BBI 2.0 Kaput. I don't know what else you're expecting. BBI validation exercise will end soon - and wazee will go to write their report. Ruto and Jubilee will NOT appear before it.
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Pundit i know you had earmarked land for grabbing under Ruto. Give up already. You can also forget becoming KMC chairman.
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You're becoming personal as it dawn on you yet again that you know nothing :) politically speaking. BBI 2.0 is OUT. DEAD AS DODO.
Pundit i know you had earmarked land for grabbing under Ruto. Give up already. You can also forget becoming KMC chairman.
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BBI 2.0 not happening. Sorry ODM,ANC, Wiper and even ChapChap are agreed - weak PM and official opposition leader - what Ruto told Chattam house in London.
Jubilee Supreme Leader formed BBI 1 and 2. Ruto and his minions won't appear cause they know it choreographed. It widely regarded as Ruto guillotine. Ruto presidency is goone.
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It well known why you back Ruto by hook or crook. Tumbocracy.
You're becoming personal as it dawn on you yet again that you know nothing :) politically speaking. BBI 2.0 is OUT. DEAD AS DODO.
Pundit i know you had earmarked land for grabbing under Ruto. Give up already. You can also forget becoming KMC chairman.
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Haha wait and see. Your boy is being taken to the cleaners. I read his Mt Kenya disciples - mlolongo MPs - whining that Uhuru has supplanted them with governors and Mungas. He is pulling the rag from under their feet.
BBI 2.0 not happening. Sorry ODM,ANC, Wiper and even ChapChap are agreed - weak PM and official opposition leader - what Ruto told Chattam house in London.
Jubilee Supreme Leader formed BBI 1 and 2. Ruto and his minions won't appear cause they know it choreographed. It widely regarded as Ruto guillotine. Ruto presidency is goone.
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BBI 1.0 you told us the same thing and you went AWOL.
Read your ODM presenting their BBI 1.0 and wasting everyone time with a lot of campaign
http://odm.co.ke/images/downloads/BBI-VALIDATION.pdf?fbclid=IwAR39EqwNu8Y3ktA7JG_0RCWdi4MX3Vks5Krl3BlKdLMqKgoVwy_yemeggis
Haha wait and see. Your boy is being taken to the cleaners. I read his Mt Kenya disciples - mlolongo MPs - whining that Uhuru has supplanted them with governors and Mungas. He is pulling the rag from under their feet.
BBI 2.0 not happening. Sorry ODM,ANC, Wiper and even ChapChap are agreed - weak PM and official opposition leader - what Ruto told Chattam house in London.
Jubilee Supreme Leader formed BBI 1 and 2. Ruto and his minions won't appear cause they know it choreographed. It widely regarded as Ruto guillotine. Ruto presidency is goone.