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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on January 23, 2020, 10:19:46 PM
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It not easy for them in 2022 - they definitely won't have presidential candidate strong enough - now it btw Raila (whom they loath) and Ruto (whom they fear).Fear - seem to be winning. The kikuyu nation are not ready to sacrifice their diaspora for the elite.
How did we get here - Ruto meticulously "crashed" any kikuyu nation hope - likes of PK, Karua - and other governors.
https://www.theelephant.info/features/2020/01/16/fear-and-loathing-why-kikuyus-may-end-up-voting-for-ruto-in-2022/
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How does Robina buddies win back Kikuyu nation. It appears literally to start a war btw RV & GEMA - prematurely so kikuyu nation can sort of deal with it early.
I mean so far whatever they've thrown - nothing has really stuck. The worst was evicting 60K extremely poor folks in Narok south to the cold in middle of a raining season without any compensation - yet they had lived in those lands for like 20-30yrs. Ruto side-stepped it by privately buying land to temporarily settle those IDPS and mollify the kipsigis.
Now it appears they will go as far back as reviving old criminal cases - :) I guess maybe what has worked on governors can work on Ruto - he will be forced to 'step down' from being DPORK :)
I think the idea is to provoke Kalenjin to go to war against Kikiyus literally....
But Kalenjin and Ruto are very disciplined,strategic and tactical....will turn the other cheek.
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Kenya is bigger than the Kikuyu and the Kalenjin. Equity is fairness not discrimination. I wonder what you would think if you took the Kamba or Mijikenda perspective.
That said, the Kikuyu and Kalenjin have no numbers to stop the BBI reforms. They will be overrun by non-Gema. After that they will have to pick Uhuru vs Ruto for Exec PM. No brainer. Your tortured attempt to rephrase it as Raila vs Ruto in Mt Kenya is vanity. It will be Ruto vs Uhuru in Gema, Ruto vs Raila in non-Gema.
No prizes for predicting the outcome.
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Really - how comes since independence only kikuyu and kalenjin have ruled kenya. If GEMA and RV unite - the referendum dies still born. Besides when you talk about BBI reforms - are you talking about what is in YOUR HEAD or what is in BBI :) :)
Your grand delusion is worrying - it probably has clinical pathology - because I suspect you imagine you have kenya prescription and everyone is working towards it - except Ruto.
Now I am talking more about real politics. Tell you what - you make PORK - the Executive PM - the fight goes to EXECUTIVE PM - you retain PORK - as BBI recommends - nothing changes.
Ultimately whichever is powerful is where the fight will be. If we go parliamentary - then fight shifts from wananinchi to who can own many MPS - Ruto will of course spend more on making sure he gets more MPS.
Kenya is bigger than the Kikuyu and the Kalenjin. Equity is fairness not discrimination. I wonder what you would think if you took the Kamba or Mijikenda perspective.
That said, the Kikuyu and Kalenjin have no numbers to stop the BBI reforms. They will be overrun by non-Gema. Afer that they will have to pick Uhuru vs Ruto for Exec PM. No brainer. Your tortured attempt to rephrase it as Raila vs Ruto in Mt Kenya is vanity. It will be Ruto vs Uhuru in Gema, Ruto vs Raila in non-Gema.
No prizes for predicting the outcome.
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How about Ruto strategy to drag Raila ghost everywhere. Raila ordered Tobiko to evict folks from Mau. Raila has gazzetted BBI wazee. Raila has broken Jubilee. Raila has kicked Ruto out of DP House in Mombasa. Anything to avoid the elephant in the room::
Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta wants to be the Executive Prime Minister of Kenya in 2022. No, he is not ceding the party either so there is nothing for you to offer him. So you see there is no "succession crisis" in Mt Kenya. Ruto minions will desert him one by one as it becomes obvious he is taking them nowhere. Already the exodus is apparent : Waiguru, Sabina, Kang'ata, Wa Iria, Muthomi Njuki, Lee Kinyanjui and the gafnas, Kanini Kega, name it.
How does Robina buddies win back Kikuyu nation. It appears literally to start a war btw RV & GEMA - prematurely so kikuyu nation can sort of deal with it early.
I mean so far whatever they've thrown - nothing has really stuck. The worst was evicting 60K extremely poor folks in Narok south to the cold in middle of a raining season without any compensation - yet they had lived in those lands for like 20-30yrs. Ruto side-stepped it by privately buying land to temporarily settle those IDPS and mollify the kipsigis.
Now it appears they will go as far back as reviving old criminal cases - :) I guess maybe what has worked on governors can work on Ruto - he will be forced to 'step down' from being DPORK :)
I think the idea is to provoke Kalenjin to go to war against Kikiyus literally....
But Kalenjin and Ruto are very disciplined,strategic and tactical....will turn the other cheek.
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MY HEAD... Kichwa Mbaya has similar worries about your mental health. That you're not handling the present ongoings too well. I think he is wrong cause you're probably hitting the bottle hard. You're well known drunkard as Ruto is well known thief.
Your delusions and break with reality peaked at Handshake and "they are playing Raila" when your boy is crying nusu mkeka. :) The 50-50 is now something like quarter mkate but your MAD horizon continue to recede as the excuses mount. The La Mada fiasco you entertained us with improbable nonsense here as Itumbi faced the music. Ohoo Betty Maina replace Rotich in cabinet. Ohh Mutyambai is not Luo so it is no big deal if he get IG without consulting Ruto. Ohhh Matiang'i only chairs technical committee not full cabinet. Jezebel and Kibicho are behind all Ruto woes...
Even during BBI 1.0 you had bizarre arguments about its legality. Of course that quickly got tested in court under Aukot and Gusii professor Moraa. Got tossed out like bad food.
Kibra... hehe this was a comedy where you abandoned your pseudo-science baby of MOAS. The numbers didn't add up so you invented new voodoo about Kenyans love for football. You even threw in George Weah and Abedi Pele. :) That Luos would abandon Raila and vote for Owallo in Mdvd party. As expected the dog beating was blamed on ODM goons and Kibicho. No mention of brazen voter bribery which elsewhere was described as "chess" while following the law is "checkers." You see, just as you state about Raila in Gema, you can't preach tribal math for years then abandon it for soccer stardom when it convenient. The math don't add up for Ruto ambition.
BBI 2.0 is here. Gazetted, oiled and mobilized by Uhuru himself. Gusii in their entirety were at the launch of "collecting views". Uhuru personally nudged Mdvd and Weta to attend Bukhungu. Ruto's tactical retreat - ala Punguza 180 - is after smelling defeat. I want to see him get heckled at Tononoka so he launch his parallel meetings.
These are actual events happening in the news not Robina delusions, donge? Murkomen is crying about a secret BBI report. 8) Anyway your boy ran around "supervising projects" for 2 years. What's wrong if Raila equally unites Kenyans under BBI? Of course Ruto is afraid the tide is turning against him.
You're the delusional here Mr Pundit. Uhurutopia is dead and your boy is being taken to the cleaners.
Really - how comes since independence only kikuyu and kalenjin have ruled kenya. If GEMA and RV unite - the referendum dies still born. Besides when you talk about BBI reforms - are you talking about what is in YOUR HEAD or what is in BBI :) :)
Your grand delusion is worrying - it probably has clinical pathology - because I suspect you imagine you have kenya prescription and everyone is working towards it - except Ruto.
Now I am talking more about real politics. Tell you what - you make PORK - the Executive PM - the fight goes to EXECUTIVE PM - you retain PORK - as BBI recommends - nothing changes.
Ultimately whichever is powerful is where the fight will be. If we go parliamentary - then fight shifts from wananinchi to who can own many MPS - Ruto will of course spend more on making sure he gets more MPS.
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Maybe I am delusional in my analysis but I don't think I know what ails like like Robina does.A parliamentary system is what we continue to wait.
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Maybe I am delusional in my analysis but I don't think I know what ails like like Robina does.A parliamentary system is what we continue to wait.
According to your prophesy Ruto should be Acting President by now as Uhuru sun-bathe in Hawaii. At least BBI 2.0 is real.
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Bandit how many threads have you started to prove your loyalty to mtukututu mwizi ruto? Chill and drink a mursik it is only preliminaries. By playoffs ruto will be walking like a mongrel bitch during mating season. He will be fucked from all holes and pores
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There is no BBI 2.0 - there are attempts by Raila to ammend BBI 1.0. Until it happens - take a chill pill. There is also no evidence that Uhuru is planning to run again. There are folks around him like Matiangi and Kibicho doing their parrellel think for 2022.
According to your prophesy Ruto should be Acting President by now as Uhuru sun-bathe in Hawaii. At least BBI 2.0 is real.
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You made this naive prophesy based on Uhuru "gentleman" demeanour, public pronouncements of "Ndugu yangu William" and a piece of paper aka MOU. At least I have live signals of Uhuru kicking Ruto like a dog. Uhuru treats Ruto worse than Jomo treated Jaramogi, Moi treated Saitoti or Kibaki treated Raila. Ruto of course deserve it for being the most scornful VP in Kenya history. His schemes and backstabbing are worse than Raila tried with Kibaki. I mean even in ODM NARA barely a week after Raila became PM he was issuing impossible demands for positions. Uhuru turned a blind eye to his nonsense in firstterm. Now the fool is reaping what he sowed. Go slow on your delusions... Uhuru legacy will be parliamentary and getting rid of Ruto.
There is no BBI 2.0 - there are attempts by Raila to ammend BBI 1.0. Until it happens - take a chill pill. There is also no evidence that Uhuru is planning to run again. There are folks around him like Matiangi and Kibicho doing their parrellel think for 2022.
According to your prophesy Ruto should be Acting President by now as Uhuru sun-bathe in Hawaii. At least BBI 2.0 is real.
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You mistake this thing. I can assure you Kikuyus are for Ruto not because of fear, but supporting him is currently the ONLY SENSIBLE THING. Uhuru is giving Kikuyus a PM system which in the long run will erase their number advantage for NO REASON AT ALL. Everyone now knows it's just for his own Uhuru & family interests. And yes, currently no other Kikuyu can go for the top seat (Presidency) because that would now make it 3 presidents in a row from Kikuyuland. It isn't good optics. It will simply make all other gang up against. Another reason is that for those almost 10yrs Uhuru has been at the helm, he has made sure no other Kikuyu or anyone from Mt. Kenya region has risen to challenge him. Therefore Ruto BECOMES a Mt. Kenya Candidate because of that.
I have been to some "serious meetings" where even people have been ready to EMBRACE RAILA but the question then becomes "What do we get and what's our advantage?" It end up that Uhuru PM thing is simply shooting themselves in the foot. Even some crazed Uhuru supporters have no good points to support him. In short, Kikuyus find themselves in a curious position where adopting Ruto as their Candidate is the ONLY SENSIBLE THING.
Yea, people are aware Uhuru/Raila may bulldoze this thing but the feeling is "wacha wapitishe but ajue hatuko na yeye..."
Indeed it would make sense had Uhuru said he come back as DP and support Raila for President. Because this PM thing is NEUTERING MT. KENYA NUMBERS ADVANTAGE FOR GOOD.
NB: I and Robina talk of Parliamentary System as a done thing because that is the real final aim of BBI. Hii ingine yote is softening the ground and psyops. All indicators are that they will force it. If they don't then NOTHING WILL STOP RUTO BEING 5TH PRESIDENT OF JAMHURI. Nothing EXCEPT maybe premature death.
It not easy for them in 2022 - they definitely won't have presidential candidate strong enough - now it btw Raila (whom they loath) and Ruto (whom they fear).Fear - seem to be winning. The kikuyu nation are not ready to sacrifice their diaspora for the elite.
How did we get here - Ruto meticulously "crashed" any kikuyu nation hope - likes of PK, Karua - and other governors.
https://www.theelephant.info/features/2020/01/16/fear-and-loathing-why-kikuyus-may-end-up-voting-for-ruto-in-2022/
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I agree that for first time in 20yrs the prospect of PORK leaving GEMA is real - and in that case, it either Ruto or Raila, or well GEMA can still spring a Matiangi like surprises?
I personally don't buy the bromance btw Raila & Uhuru - I don't think Uhuru and GEMA will trust Raila anytime soon. It just doesn't make sense. I think he is a scarecrow that Uhuru is using to steal as much as he wants.
I don't buy this BBI 2.0. I don't understand how Uhuru & Raila can take two years to produce a report and then turn around to try & hasten to amend it in six months. I think Uhuru amended the report to the chargin of Raila and his groupies.
What I know there is cabal around Uhuru who is working with Raila - on their own Plan. These are Uhuru orphans - who are working on the post-Uhuru plan - likes of Matiangi & Waiguru - are positioning themselves for the executive PM thing.
Ultimately until BBI 2.0 is unleashed - I am inclined to believe this is just the usual Raila trying his tricks.
You mistake this thing. I can assure you Kikuyus are for Ruto not because of fear, but supporting him is currently the ONLY SENSIBLE THING. Uhuru is giving Kikuyus a PM system which in the long run will erase their number advantage for NO REASON AT ALL. Everyone now knows it's just for his own Uhuru & family interests. And yes, currently no other Kikuyu can go for the top seat (Presidency) because that would now make it 3 presidents in a row from Kikuyuland. It isn't good optics. It will simply make all other gang up against. Another reason is that for those almost 10yrs Uhuru has been at the helm, he has made sure no other Kikuyu or anyone from Mt. Kenya region has risen to challenge him. Therefore Ruto BECOMES a Mt. Kenya Candidate because of that.
I have been to some "serious meetings" where even people have been ready to EMBRACE RAILA but the question then becomes "What do we get and what's our advantage?" It end up that Uhuru PM thing is simply shooting themselves in the foot. Even some crazed Uhuru supporters have no good points to support him. In short, Kikuyus find themselves in a curious position where adopting Ruto as their Candidate is the ONLY SENSIBLE THING.
Yea, people are aware Uhuru/Raila may bulldoze this thing but the feeling is "wacha wapitishe but ajue hatuko na yeye..."
Indeed it would make sense had Uhuru said he come back as DP and support Raila for President. Because this PM thing is NEUTERING MT. KENYA NUMBERS ADVANTAGE FOR GOOD.
NB: I and Robina talk of Parliamentary System as a done thing because that is the real final aim of BBI. Hii ingine yote is softening the ground and psyops. All indicators are that they will force it. If they don't then NOTHING WILL STOP RUTO BEING 5TH PRESIDENT OF JAMHURI. Nothing EXCEPT maybe premature death.
It not easy for them in 2022 - they definitely won't have presidential candidate strong enough - now it btw Raila (whom they loath) and Ruto (whom they fear).Fear - seem to be winning. The kikuyu nation are not ready to sacrifice their diaspora for the elite.
How did we get here - Ruto meticulously "crashed" any kikuyu nation hope - likes of PK, Karua - and other governors.
https://www.theelephant.info/features/2020/01/16/fear-and-loathing-why-kikuyus-may-end-up-voting-for-ruto-in-2022/
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At least you entertain other possibilities unlike Pundit.
Some Kikuyus may side with Ruto against BBI but that won't stop the train. Cause while Ruto obsessed with Mt Kenya Raila lined up non-Gema for parliamentary. I mean the same reasoning Kikuyu point out to oppose parliamentary is used by non-Gema - even some Kalenjin. None other than Aden Duale broke rank with Ruto to back parliamentary recently.
Once parliamentary is intact, Ruto vs Uhuru for Exec PM will take shape. Gema will pick between the Ruto they allegedly fear and their own man.
You mistake this thing. I can assure you Kikuyus are for Ruto not because of fear, but supporting him is currently the ONLY SENSIBLE THING. Uhuru is giving Kikuyus a PM system which in the long run will erase their number advantage for NO REASON AT ALL. Everyone now knows it's just for his own Uhuru & family interests. And yes, currently no other Kikuyu can go for the top seat (Presidency) because that would now make it 3 presidents in a row from Kikuyuland. It isn't good optics. It will simply make all other gang up against. Another reason is that for those almost 10yrs Uhuru has been at the helm, he has made sure no other Kikuyu or anyone from Mt. Kenya region has risen to challenge him. Therefore Ruto BECOMES a Mt. Kenya Candidate because of that.
I have been to some "serious meetings" where even people have been ready to EMBRACE RAILA but the question then becomes "What do we get and what's our advantage?" It end up that Uhuru PM thing is simply shooting themselves in the foot. Even some crazed Uhuru supporters have no good points to support him. In short, Kikuyus find themselves in a curious position where adopting Ruto as their Candidate is the ONLY SENSIBLE THING.
Yea, people are aware Uhuru/Raila may bulldoze this thing but the feeling is "wacha wapitishe but ajue hatuko na yeye..."
Indeed it would make sense had Uhuru said he come back as DP and support Raila for President. Because this PM thing is NEUTERING MT. KENYA NUMBERS ADVANTAGE FOR GOOD.
NB: I and Robina talk of Parliamentary System as a done thing because that is the real final aim of BBI. Hii ingine yote is softening the ground and psyops. All indicators are that they will force it. If they don't then NOTHING WILL STOP RUTO BEING 5TH PRESIDENT OF JAMHURI. Nothing EXCEPT maybe premature death.
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It funny how you care deeply about Kikuyu future. Why can't Ruto embrace parliamentary to help Turkana? They stand zero chance under presidential. Doesn't he care about MATUSA or Somali future?
By atoning sins of the father, Uhuru is being a real patriot and great statesman. Not a traitor as you wish us to believe.
I agree that for first time in 20yrs the prospect of PORK leaving GEMA is real - and in that case, it either Ruto or Raila, or well GEMA can still spring a Matiangi like surprises?
I personally don't buy the bromance btw Raila & Uhuru - I don't think Uhuru and GEMA will trust Raila anytime soon. It just doesn't make sense. I think he is a scarecrow that Uhuru is using to steal as much as he wants.
I don't buy this BBI 2.0. I don't understand how Uhuru & Raila can take two years to produce a report and then turn around to try & hasten to amend it in six months. I think Uhuru amended the report to the chargin of Raila and his groupies.
What I know there is cabal around Uhuru who is working with Raila - on their own Plan. These are Uhuru orphans - who are working on the post-Uhuru plan - likes of Matiangi & Waiguru - are positioning themselves for the executive PM thing.
Ultimately until BBI 2.0 is unleashed - I am inclined to believe this is just the usual Raila trying his tricks.
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I agree with your analysis. That should BBI succeed as Uhuru/Raila intend then it will definitely ALTER FACTS ON THE GROUND. That is, for Mt. Kenya it would now be Uhuru/Raila have amended constitution and they heading to 2022 to win. Then calculus would change. My guess is that more and more Kikuyus would make hay with what is practical and decide to see how Uhuru PM and Raila President Combo works. The KEY is derailing this BBi.
NB: You also must factor that Once BBI get approved, then Ruto can and will also play the game according to what's practical. He might succeed in getting KAMATUSA grouping plus Somalis and plus Coast. Then he will have a chance to offset Uhuru/Raila applecart. Think about that too.
At least you entertain other possibilities unlike Pundit.
Some Kikuyus may side with Ruto against BBI but that won't stop the train. Cause while Ruto obsessed with Mt Kenya Raila lined up non-Gema for parliamentary. I mean the same reasoning Kikuyu point out to oppose parliamentary is used by non-Gema - even some Kalenjin. None other than Aden Duale broke rank with Ruto to back parliamentary recently.
Once parliamentary is intact, Ruto vs Uhuru for Exec PM will take shape. Gema will pick between the Ruto they allegedly fear and their own man.
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You joking if you believe Uhuru/Raila are MOTIVATED by patriotism and statesmanship. This is pure and clear political cynicism. Self interest defined.
It funny how you care deeply about Kikuyu future. Why can't Ruto embrace parliamentary to help Turkana? They stand zero chance under presidential. Doesn't he care about MATUSA or Somali future?
By stoning sins of the father, Uhuru is being a real patriot and great statesman. Not a traitor as you wish us to believe.
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This is a real possibility - that Raila could get greedy and play Uhuru once parliamentary is in place. Nothing indeed stops Ruto from striking a deal with Raila, Mdvd, Matiang'i, etc except his own greed. Raila is clocking 80 and has little motivation to deputize Ruto - 1) their history is not good at all 2) two non-Gema bulls cannot co-exist 3) Ruto is untrustworthy backstabber. It easier for Raila to settle some sort of 50-50 with Uhuru and retire happily as ceremonial PORK. How that coalition plays out after the fact is for the future.
Ps - I care more about the system than the individual. Nothing stops Ruto or Raila from winning PM once it exists. It is just so much tougher for Ruto now as it was for Raila in 2013. He is the untrustworthy nusu-mkate incumbent out of favor with the state machinery.
Ruto's position in Mt Kenya is no different from Raila's in Kalenjin pre-2013.
I agree with your analysis. That should BBI succeed as Uhuru/Raila intend then it will definitely ALTER FACTS ON THE GROUND. That is, for Mt. Kenya it would now be Uhuru/Raila have amended constitution and they heading to 2022 to win. Then calculus would change. My guess is that more and more Kikuyus would make hay with what is practical and decide to see how Uhuru PM and Raila President Combo works. The KEY is derailing this BBi.
NB: You also must factor that Once BBI get approved, then Ruto can and will also play the game according to what's practical. He might succeed in getting KAMATUSA grouping plus Somalis and plus Coast. Then he will have a chance to offset Uhuru/Raila applecart. Think about that too.
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Of course Uhuru is motivated by pure greed same as Raila. Parliamentary is good for Kenya and therefore their actions are patriotic. Is Ruto so in love with the Kikuyu and their future or just their votes? 8)
You joking if you believe Uhuru/Raila are MOTIVATED by patriotism and statesmanship. This is pure and clear political cynicism. Self interest defined.
It funny how you care deeply about Kikuyu future. Why can't Ruto embrace parliamentary to help Turkana? They stand zero chance under presidential. Doesn't he care about MATUSA or Somali future?
By stoning sins of the father, Uhuru is being a real patriot and great statesman. Not a traitor as you wish us to believe.
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I truly hope you are right. I truly do.
But I also ask myself: since it looks stupid on the face of it, then why would Raila & Co believe it and work hard on it? Why is Uhuru creating enemies and using State machinery to openly intimidate critics of BBI? Is it just for show?
I agree that for first time in 20yrs the prospect of PORK leaving GEMA is real - and in that case, it either Ruto or Raila, or well GEMA can still spring a Matiangi like surprises?
I personally don't buy the bromance btw Raila & Uhuru - I don't think Uhuru and GEMA will trust Raila anytime soon. It just doesn't make sense. I think he is a scarecrow that Uhuru is using to steal as much as he wants.
I don't buy this BBI 2.0. I don't understand how Uhuru & Raila can take two years to produce a report and then turn around to try & hasten to amend it in six months. I think Uhuru amended the report to the chargin of Raila and his groupies.
What I know there is cabal around Uhuru who is working with Raila - on their own Plan. These are Uhuru orphans - who are working on the post-Uhuru plan - likes of Matiangi & Waiguru - are positioning themselves for the executive PM thing.
Ultimately until BBI 2.0 is unleashed - I am inclined to believe this is just the usual Raila trying his tricks.
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No need for snide. I have categorically stated Ruto and Mt. Kenya are currently joined by their own political interests as they define them. I didn't claim patriotism or statesmanship...
Lets disagree as to whether Parliamentary system is good for Kenya. I truly believe it will make things worse, but let's leave it at that and watch (or participate) the current tussle to the end.
Of course Uhuru is motivated by pure greed same as Raila. Parliamentary is good for Kenya and therefore their actions are patriotic. Is Ruto so in love with the Kikuyu and their future or just their votes? 8)
You joking if you believe Uhuru/Raila are MOTIVATED by patriotism and statesmanship. This is pure and clear political cynicism. Self interest defined.
It funny how you care deeply about Kikuyu future. Why can't Ruto embrace parliamentary to help Turkana? They stand zero chance under presidential. Doesn't he care about MATUSA or Somali future?
By stoning sins of the father, Uhuru is being a real patriot and great statesman. Not a traitor as you wish us to believe.
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In my analysis Uhuru as PM and Raila as President would be a disaster. Or it would either be it's Raila in charge or no one else. Son of Jomo is lazy and i cannot imagine him being so active in parliament defending government and answering questions. Maybe he will delegate all of it to DPM.
Then I cannot imagine Raila being just "Ceremonial". It is not in his character or political DNA. It is most likely will be government ya vuta ni kuvute.
Then you alluded to something which a good number of Mt. Kenya predict happening: That Raila could be the one tricking Uhuru that he will be the PM. Then once they win election Raila appoints someone else. I know you Robina view Ruto as the worst accomplished backstabber but there are people who believe that trophy is Raila's..
This is a real possibility - that Raila could get greedy and play Uhuru once parliamentary is in place. Nothing indeed stops Ruto from striking a deal with Raila, Mdvd, Matiang'i, etc except his own greed. Raila is clocking 80 and has little motivation to deputize Ruto - 1) their history is not good at all 2) two non-Gema bulls cannot co-exist 3) Ruto is untrustworthy backstabber. It easier for Raila to settle some sort of 50-50 with Uhuru and retire happily as ceremonial PORK. How that coalition plays out after the fact is for the future.
Ps - I care more about the system than the individual. Nothing stops Ruto or Raila from winning PM once it exists. It is just so much tougher for Ruto now as it was for Raila in 2013. He is the untrustworthy nusu-mkate incumbent out of favor with the state machinery.
Ruto's position in Mt Kenya is no different from Raila's in Kalenjin pre-2013.
I agree with your analysis. That should BBI succeed as Uhuru/Raila intend then it will definitely ALTER FACTS ON THE GROUND. That is, for Mt. Kenya it would now be Uhuru/Raila have amended constitution and they heading to 2022 to win. Then calculus would change. My guess is that more and more Kikuyus would make hay with what is practical and decide to see how Uhuru PM and Raila President Combo works. The KEY is derailing this BBi.
NB: You also must factor that Once BBI get approved, then Ruto can and will also play the game according to what's practical. He might succeed in getting KAMATUSA grouping plus Somalis and plus Coast. Then he will have a chance to offset Uhuru/Raila applecart. Think about that too.
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Ruto is okay with parliamentary.Bring it on. Ruto will become executive PM forever...till cows come home
It funny how you care deeply about Kikuyu future. Why can't Ruto embrace parliamentary to help Turkana? They stand zero chance under presidential. Doesn't he care about MATUSA or Somali future?
By atoning sins of the father, Uhuru is being a real patriot and great statesman. Not a traitor as you wish us to believe.
I agree that for first time in 20yrs the prospect of PORK leaving GEMA is real - and in that case, it either Ruto or Raila, or well GEMA can still spring a Matiangi like surprises?
I personally don't buy the bromance btw Raila & Uhuru - I don't think Uhuru and GEMA will trust Raila anytime soon. It just doesn't make sense. I think he is a scarecrow that Uhuru is using to steal as much as he wants.
I don't buy this BBI 2.0. I don't understand how Uhuru & Raila can take two years to produce a report and then turn around to try & hasten to amend it in six months. I think Uhuru amended the report to the chargin of Raila and his groupies.
What I know there is cabal around Uhuru who is working with Raila - on their own Plan. These are Uhuru orphans - who are working on the post-Uhuru plan - likes of Matiangi & Waiguru - are positioning themselves for the executive PM thing.
Ultimately until BBI 2.0 is unleashed - I am inclined to believe this is just the usual Raila trying his tricks.
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Whatever the coalition someone will have to deputize or play second fiddle. Raila has no bad history with Uhuru so it is easier for him. He is also on the clock. Uhuru's laziness or ineptitude is a plus because he can lay back and the fox run the pen. He did this in Jubilee 1.0. He could just appoint a hyperactive DPM like Joho and who partly answers to Raila and let them square it out with Ruto.
Now if you take issue with Uhuru-Raila combo, imagine Ruto-Raila. These two have been at each others' throats since 2008. And 2002 before that. They also overlap constituency which makes real conflict inevitable. It would be over in a blink and Gema would be back in the ring.
Neither Raila nor Ruto is eager to deputize the other.
In my analysis Uhuru as PM and Raila as President would be a disaster. Or it would either be it's Raila in charge or no one else. Son of Jomo is lazy and i cannot imagine him being so active in parliament defending government and answering questions. Maybe he will delegate all of it to DPM.
Then I cannot imagine Raila being just "Ceremonial". It is not in his character or political DNA. It is most likely will be government ya vuta ni kuvute.
Then you alluded to something which a good number of Mt. Kenya predict happening: That Raila could be the one tricking Uhuru that he will be the PM. Then once they win election Raila appoints someone else. I know you Robina view Ruto as the worst accomplished backstabber but there are people who believe that trophy is Raila's..
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Right. He seem ready to do about turns, somersaults and all gymnastics to derail it. He is onto Tononoka to join Raila now after all the tantrums last few weeks.
Just maybe it scuttles his chances?
Ruto is okay with parliamentary.Bring it on. Ruto will become executive PM forever...till cows come home
It funny how you care deeply about Kikuyu future. Why can't Ruto embrace parliamentary to help Turkana? They stand zero chance under presidential. Doesn't he care about MATUSA or Somali future?
By atoning sins of the father, Uhuru is being a real patriot and great statesman. Not a traitor as you wish us to believe.
I agree that for first time in 20yrs the prospect of PORK leaving GEMA is real - and in that case, it either Ruto or Raila, or well GEMA can still spring a Matiangi like surprises?
I personally don't buy the bromance btw Raila & Uhuru - I don't think Uhuru and GEMA will trust Raila anytime soon. It just doesn't make sense. I think he is a scarecrow that Uhuru is using to steal as much as he wants.
I don't buy this BBI 2.0. I don't understand how Uhuru & Raila can take two years to produce a report and then turn around to try & hasten to amend it in six months. I think Uhuru amended the report to the chargin of Raila and his groupies.
What I know there is cabal around Uhuru who is working with Raila - on their own Plan. These are Uhuru orphans - who are working on the post-Uhuru plan - likes of Matiangi & Waiguru - are positioning themselves for the executive PM thing.
Ultimately until BBI 2.0 is unleashed - I am inclined to believe this is just the usual Raila trying his tricks.
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The case of Ruto/Raila is like a game of gladiators where only one can come out alive. Should Ruto win, then that is political death sentence for Raila. He must now retire or become irrelevant. He cannot convincingly be hanging around anymore.
Ruto has an advantage. He's still young and he can even afford another 10yrs in "the cold.." (as opposition Leader) and still get to be President for 10yrs. Time is on his side.
Odds are in favour of Ruto.
Whatever the coalition someone will have to deputize or play second fiddle. Raila has no bad history with Uhuru so it is easier for him. He is also on the clock. Uhuru's laziness or ineptitude is a plus because he can lay back and the fox run the pen. He did this in Jubilee 1.0. He could just appoint a hyperactive DPM like Joho and who partly answers to Raila and let them square it out with Ruto.
Now if you take issue with Uhuru-Raila combo, imagine Ruto-Raila. These two have been at each others' throats since 2008. And 2002 before that. They also overlap constituency which makes real conflict inevitable. It would be over in a blink and Gema would be back in the ring.
Neither Raila nor Ruto is eager to deputize the other.
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If Uhuru want PM - all he need is just ask Ruto. Ruto is committed and ready for 50-50 deal with GEMA.
Right. He seem ready to do about turns, somersaults and all gymnastics to derail it. He is onto Tononoka to join Raila now after all the tantrums last few weeks.
Just maybe it scuttles his chances?
Ruto is okay with parliamentary.Bring it on. Ruto will become executive PM forever...till cows come home
It funny how you care deeply about Kikuyu future. Why can't Ruto embrace parliamentary to help Turkana? They stand zero chance under presidential. Doesn't he care about MATUSA or Somali future?
By atoning sins of the father, Uhuru is being a real patriot and great statesman. Not a traitor as you wish us to believe.
I agree that for first time in 20yrs the prospect of PORK leaving GEMA is real - and in that case, it either Ruto or Raila, or well GEMA can still spring a Matiangi like surprises?
I personally don't buy the bromance btw Raila & Uhuru - I don't think Uhuru and GEMA will trust Raila anytime soon. It just doesn't make sense. I think he is a scarecrow that Uhuru is using to steal as much as he wants.
I don't buy this BBI 2.0. I don't understand how Uhuru & Raila can take two years to produce a report and then turn around to try & hasten to amend it in six months. I think Uhuru amended the report to the chargin of Raila and his groupies.
What I know there is cabal around Uhuru who is working with Raila - on their own Plan. These are Uhuru orphans - who are working on the post-Uhuru plan - likes of Matiangi & Waiguru - are positioning themselves for the executive PM thing.
Ultimately until BBI 2.0 is unleashed - I am inclined to believe this is just the usual Raila trying his tricks.
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Some things are irrational - actually beyond stupid and only believable by Robinas.
1) BB1.0 after 2yrs and so much money produces a pro-Ruto report - and then Uhuru (Raila) begins a helter-skelter hullabaloo to amend it to BBI 2.0 in six months including holding a referendum
2) That Uhuru will move from being Head of State & Gov and become a minister - a prime minister - answering questions and getting abused daily in parliament - and then rushes to the statehouse salute & inform Raila about gov agenda. What exactly is he desperate for? He has never lacked money since he was born!
The conclusion - Uhuru is playing dumb - playing along with some dumb people - and when times come he will retire - and leave Ruto to make mince meat of Raila.
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Robina,
In this parliamentary system thing, Ruto has the advantage. Should the PM be appointed/selected based on number of MPs then DEFINITELY Ruto would have the advantage. Kikuyu/Luos may have population numbers but Constituencies favour KAMATUSA. Remember during Moi's time, the combined Opposition Votes always surpassed Moi's, but Moi always had more MPs. The situation hasn't changed much.
Again, this is Kanu/Kadu debate and calculations. Remember it was then Jomo and Jaramogi who set out to dismantling Independent constitution. Jaramogi clearly stated in his book "Not Yet Uhuru" that they had agreed with Jomo to accede to Independent constitution so as to hasten Independence. Moi and Kadu opposed dismantling that system but the "populous tribes of Kikuyu and Luos" had the numbers and State machinery. Moi and Kadu had no other choice. But here we are today!
Right. He seem ready to do about turns, somersaults and all gymnastics to derail it. He is onto Tononoka to join Raila now after all the tantrums last few weeks.
Just maybe it scuttles his chances?
Ruto is okay with parliamentary.Bring it on. Ruto will become executive PM forever...till cows come home
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3) Irrationality - Raila and Robina don't want current parliament to enact parliamentary system :) I guess if the referendum is passed today - they will want it suspended till 2022? Otherwise if their wish is granted..Duale will be Kenya's first executive PM in JULY :D :D :D - and will form gov :) as Uhuru becomes the ceremonial PORK?
I mean you want a parliamentary system through universal suffrage (presidential system) because you're afraid of parliament controlled by Ruto. CRAZY.
Hii bangi lazima THC yake ni noma
Robina,
In this parliamentary system thing, Ruto has the advantage. Should the PM be appointed/selected based on number of MPs then DEFINITELY Ruto would have the advantage. Kikuyu/Luos may have population numbers but Constituencies favour KAMATUSA. Remember during Moi's time, the combined Opposition Votes always surpassed Moi's, but Moi always had more MPs. The situation hasn't changed much.
Again, this is Kanu/Kadu debate and calculations. Remember it was then Jomo and Jaramogi who set out to dismantling Independent constitution. Jaramogi clearly stated in his book "Not Yet Uhuru" that they had agreed with Jomo to accede to Independent constitution so as to hasten Independence. Moi and Kadu opposed dismantling that system but the "populous tribes of Kikuyu and Luos" had the numbers and State machinery. Moi and Kadu had no other choice. But here we are today!
Right. He seem ready to do about turns, somersaults and all gymnastics to derail it. He is onto Tononoka to join Raila now after all the tantrums last few weeks.
Just maybe it scuttles his chances?
Ruto is okay with parliamentary.Bring it on. Ruto will become executive PM forever...till cows come home
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The fact that you acknowledge Jomo-Jaramogi dismantled the Lancaster system out of selfishness says alot. Jaramogi had already been kicked out and Moi was VP. So am not sure you mean Jaramogi or TJ Mboya?
60 years into independence we should have a diverse leadership but instead we are being prepped for 60 more of the same. :)
Kikuyu numbers are dwindling fast as Kalenjin and Somali skyrocket. Winning is not all about raw numbers but includes planning and execution. Luhyas for instance would still not make headway after splitting into multiple parties. Gema have a gang mentality and will wind up in Uhuru basket provided he is the ultimate boss.
Anyway like I said it is one instance where Kenyatta greed might pay off. He will ignore Kikuyu fears for personal gain. Kenya will benefit in the process.
Robina,
In this parliamentary system thing, Ruto has the advantage. Should the PM be appointed/selected based on number of MPs then DEFINITELY Ruto would have the advantage. Kikuyu/Luos may have population numbers but Constituencies favour KAMATUSA. Remember during Moi's time, the combined Opposition Votes always surpassed Moi's, but Moi always had more MPs. The situation hasn't changed much.
Again, this is Kanu/Kadu debate and calculations. Remember it was then Jomo and Jaramogi who set out to dismantling Independent constitution. Jaramogi clearly stated in his book "Not Yet Uhuru" that they had agreed with Jomo to accede to Independent constitution so as to hasten Independence. Moi and Kadu opposed dismantling that system but the "populous tribes of Kikuyu and Luos" had the numbers and State machinery. Moi and Kadu had no other choice. But here we are today!
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We mean PARLIAMENTARY system. Study UK - queen has next to no role execept residual powers which PM can abuse. Signing laws, swearing in JSC, PSC, etc appointees. Signing treaties. Not supervising government.
PM reports to parliament not the queen or president. The Leader of the biggest party becomes PM automatically. Even in coalition they merely share cabinet slots and small partner becomes DPM. MPs don't vote on that it's determined by IEBC. Right now PM is automatically Uhuru Kenyatta - but of course only a desperate moron thinks you can change CEO halfway before elections just to make a point.
No, there is no presidential election - "universal suffrage" - only parliamentary and counties. Biggest party wins. President is appointed through some formula but most likely by county or regional delegates. Not MPs. By secret ballot. Caluculated to be non-partisan or "national symbol". Of course there is always some horse-trading. This is the case in Germany, Italy and most parliamentary countries.
You're right Exec PM is a real JOB. Not present nonsense where Uhuru is a deity that Ruto praise despite being spat on hadharani. If lazy Uhuru find it too hot he can retire :D and leave young turks to run the show.
3) Irrationality - Raila and Robina don't want current parliament to enact parliamentary system :) I guess if the referendum is passed today - they will want it suspended till 2022? Otherwise if their wish is granted..Duale will be Kenya's first executive PM in JULY :D :D :D - and will form gov :) as Uhuru becomes the ceremonial PORK?
I mean you want a parliamentary system through universal suffrage (presidential system) because you're afraid of parliament controlled by Ruto. CRAZY.
Hii bangi lazima THC yake ni noma
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Dont be pedantic. We know that. We are saying come June - Duale become Executive PM - and Uhuru Ceremonial PORK - after BBI 2.0 is passed unanimously.
We mean PARLIAMENTARY system. Study UK - queen has next to no role execept residual powers which PM can abuse. Signing laws, swearing in JSC, PSC, etc appointees. Signing treaties. Not supervising government.
PM reports to parliament not the queen or president. The Leader of the biggest party becomes PM automatically. Even in coalition they merely share cabinet slots and small partner becomes DPM. MPs don't vote on that it's determined by IEBC. Right now PM is automatically Uhuru Kenyatta - but of course only a desperate moron thinks you can change CEO halfway before elections just to make a point.
No, there is no presidential election - "universal suffrage" - only parliamentary and counties. Biggest party wins. President is appointed through some formula but most likely by county or regional delegates. Not MPs. By secret ballot. Caluculated to be non-partisan or "national symbol". Of course there is always some horse-trading. This is the case in Germany, Italy and most parliamentary countries.
You're right Exec PM is a real JOB. Not present nonsense where Uhuru is a deity that Ruto praise despite being spat on hadharani. If lazy Uhuru find it too hot he can retire :D and leave young turks to run the show.
3) Irrationality - Raila and Robina don't want current parliament to enact parliamentary system :) I guess if the referendum is passed today - they will want it suspended till 2022? Otherwise if their wish is granted..Duale will be Kenya's first executive PM in JULY :D :D :D - and will form gov :) as Uhuru becomes the ceremonial PORK?
I mean you want a parliamentary system through universal suffrage (presidential system) because you're afraid of parliament controlled by Ruto. CRAZY.
Hii bangi lazima THC yake ni noma
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Obviously Jaramogi/Jomo scheme was motivated by selfish interests. But also there is always the issue of ethnic diversity and unity of the unit called Kenya. Having "powerful" regions combined with parliamentary system was feared it would lead to making secession of some regions much easier. At least in the 60s Kenyans were not as integrated. Even now the same issue arise. Then of course suitability of parliamentary system in a truly diverse multi ethnic African country. It's all theoretically attractive to use UK, Italy, Australia as examples but practicalities of an African country are totally different.
I note the reason you support parliamentary system is because Kenya would "have had diverse leadership..." I believe that concern can be addressed within a tweaked Presidential system.
And yes RAW NUMBERS are really important. After all that's what democracy is all about (or what most have understood it to be all about): numbers. And bluntness of raw numbers can be tampered within a presidential system. US have their electoral college. Kenya we have minimum of counties a president must get certain percentage. It can be improved, but i absolutely see no reason to abandon presidential for unstable parliamentary system.
The fact that you acknowledge Jomo-Jaramogi dismantled the Lancaster system out of selfishness says alot. Jaramogi had already been kicked out and Moi was VP. So am not sure you mean Jaramogi or TJ Mboya?
60 years into independence we should have a diverse leadership but instead we are being prepped for 60 more of the same. :)
Kikuyu numbers are dwindling fast as Kalenjin and Somali skyrocket. Winning is not all about raw numbers but includes planning and execution. Luhyas for instance would still not make headway after splitting into multiple parties. Gema have a gang mentality and will wind up in Uhuru basket provided he is the ultimate boss.
Anyway like I said it is one instance where Kenyatta greed might pay off. He will ignore Kikuyu fears for personal gain. Kenya will benefit in the process.
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That is whack logic because Duale is not the party leader. The changes roll out after the next elections.
Dont be pedantic. We know that. We are saying come June - Duale become Executive PM - and Uhuru Ceremonial PORK - after BBI 2.0 is passed unanimously.
We mean PARLIAMENTARY system. Study UK - queen has next to no role execept residual powers which PM can abuse. Signing laws, swearing in JSC, PSC, etc appointees. Signing treaties. Not supervising government.
PM reports to parliament not the queen or president. The Leader of the biggest party becomes PM automatically. Even in coalition they merely share cabinet slots and small partner becomes DPM. MPs don't vote on that it's determined by IEBC. Right now PM is automatically Uhuru Kenyatta - but of course only a desperate moron thinks you can change CEO halfway before elections just to make a point.
No, there is no presidential election - "universal suffrage" - only parliamentary and counties. Biggest party wins. President is appointed through some formula but most likely by county or regional delegates. Not MPs. By secret ballot. Caluculated to be non-partisan or "national symbol". Of course there is always some horse-trading. This is the case in Germany, Italy and most parliamentary countries.
You're right Exec PM is a real JOB. Not present nonsense where Uhuru is a deity that Ruto praise despite being spat on hadharani. If lazy Uhuru find it too hot he can retire :D and leave young turks to run the show.
3) Irrationality - Raila and Robina don't want current parliament to enact parliamentary system :) I guess if the referendum is passed today - they will want it suspended till 2022? Otherwise if their wish is granted..Duale will be Kenya's first executive PM in JULY :D :D :D - and will form gov :) as Uhuru becomes the ceremonial PORK?
I mean you want a parliamentary system through universal suffrage (presidential system) because you're afraid of parliament controlled by Ruto. CRAZY.
Hii bangi lazima THC yake ni noma
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Jaramogi was VP up to 1966. Check amendments to Kenyan constitution up to that point. I think you only mean REPLACING the constitution in 1969 but amendments had commenced almost immediately.
Then fallout between Jaramogi and Jomo wasn't as a result of either parliamentary or presidential. Their disagreements were as a result of other issues.
The fact that you acknowledge Jomo-Jaramogi dismantled the Lancaster system out of selfishness says alot. Jaramogi had already been kicked out and Moi was VP. So am not sure you mean Jaramogi or TJ Mboya?
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Jaramogi & Kenyatta both were united in opposing majimbo & parliamentary system of gov. Raila (Luos) made an about turn in 90s and embraced Majimbo. It appears everyone knows wants Majimbo & Parliamentary system. I say let us have it. But like wakili says - this will be one unstable and dangerous gov in Kenya.
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At least you now acknowledge katiba has been overhauled before at peacetime. In the meantime Murkomen and Ruto crew are all lined up for Tononoka with memos and addendums about maize and dams. :D They want anything but the parliamentary system.
Jaramogi & Kenyatta both were united in opposing majimbo & parliamentary system of gov. Raila (Luos) made an about turn in 90s and embraced Majimbo. It appears everyone knows wants Majimbo & Parliamentary system. I say let us have it. But like wakili says - this will be one unstable and dangerous gov in Kenya.
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Personally I am only excited if we go federalism/majimbo
At least you now acknowledge katiba has been overhauled before at peacetime. In the meantime Murkomen and Ruto crew are all lined up for Tononoka with memos and addendums about maize and dams. :D They want anything but the parliamentary system.
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Parliamentary federalism is a perfect setup. 60-40% international standard. Or 50-50. Like US or Germany or UK. No one is dying in the UK after Johnson swept through. It not life and death who runs the national government.
Personally I am only excited if we go federalism/majimbo
At least you now acknowledge katiba has been overhauled before at peacetime. In the meantime Murkomen and Ruto crew are all lined up for Tononoka with memos and addendums about maize and dams. :D They want anything but the parliamentary system.
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RVP Sure you are not over analyzing this? Mumbi nation in my view is resolved. They haven't forgotten who took Kamwana to the Hague. They are fine with Bill. What we need to look at is....if Uhuru is playing with Baba's 'feelings', there will be a 'domestic drama' this time around. Then on fear, Raila knows that Ruto has unfinished business with him after he failed to reinstate him as Agriculture Minister.
It not easy for them in 2022 - they definitely won't have presidential candidate strong enough - now it btw Raila (whom they loath) and Ruto (whom they fear).Fear - seem to be winning. The kikuyu nation are not ready to sacrifice their diaspora for the elite.
How did we get here - Ruto meticulously "crashed" any kikuyu nation hope - likes of PK, Karua - and other governors.
https://www.theelephant.info/features/2020/01/16/fear-and-loathing-why-kikuyus-may-end-up-voting-for-ruto-in-2022/
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Ha ha laughable nonsense. Only a retard can trust a power-hungry backstabbing thug like Ruto. i told you Ruto will be hammered until he NEEDS Gema. He used mlolongo to get direct Mt Kenya support behind Uhuru back which is sacrilege. Cause 50-50 under such circumstances is hot air. Power concede nothing [sic]. PM is exactly 50-50 - but your boy started ukora and tantrums - wanting to pick his own deputy Kiunjuri for Uhuru. In meantime Raila pulled Trojan - seduced Uhuru with Exec PM - now it too late for your boy.
Ruto boys are at Mama Ngina Beach now - i can't seem to get Citizen Livestream to work... but i imagine it stupid and impossible to counter Joho and Kingi in Pwani. Handshake crew control the ground, the dais, the program, the machinery and the BBI taskforce. i expect Murkomen and Tangatanga to throw tantrums as they are barred from speaking ala Bomas. They will retreat to hotel to read their memos about maize and sugar there - read by Jumwa and Ali Jicho Pevu. Then fuming Ruto will declare parallel rallies... which will be pointless because the BBI wazee will pretend to listen and still come up with choreographed report. i also expect Tangatanga to be barred from Mt Kenya in the guise of threat of chaos. They were barred in Kakamega / Mumias.
If Uhuru want PM - all he need is just ask Ruto. Ruto is committed and ready for 50-50 deal with GEMA.
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Which brings us back to the salient point - choose Raila or Ruto. That is GEMA option on the table. I thing rational choice is Ruto for many GEMA people.The understand was Uhuru does his 10 and goes home - and campaign for Ruto. He was not and is not suppose to continue. If he attempts to reincarnate in any forms - he will be inviting himself to war and ridicule.
Ruto is willing to let him run this 5yrs alone - but on condition he is going home. If not - then surely you understimate the war coming Uhuru way.
Ha ha laughable nonsense. Only a retard can trust a power-hungry backstabbing thug like Ruto. i told you Ruto will be hammered until he NEEDS Gema. He used mlolongo to get direct Mt Kenya support behind Uhuru back which is sacrilege. Cause 50-50 under such circumstances is hot air. Power concede nothing [sic]. PM is exactly 50-50 - but your boy started ukora and tantrums - wanting to pick his own deputy Kiunjuri for Uhuru. In meantime Raila pulled Trojan - seduced Uhuru with Exec PM - now it too late for your boy.
Ruto boys are at Mama Ngina Beach now - i can't seem to get Citizen Livestream to work... but i imagine it stupid and impossible to counter Joho and Kingi in Pwani. Handshake crew control the ground, the dais, the program, the machinery and the BBI taskforce. i expect Murkomen and Tangatanga to throw tantrums as they are barred from speaking ala Bomas. They will retreat to hotel to read their memos about maize and sugar there - read by Jumwa and Ali Jicho Pevu. Then fuming Ruto will declare parallel rallies... which will be pointless because the BBI wazee will pretend to listen and still come up with choreographed report. i also expect Tangatanga to be barred from Mt Kenya in the guise of threat of chaos. They were barred in Kakamega / Mumias.
If Uhuru want PM - all he need is just ask Ruto. Ruto is committed and ready for 50-50 deal with GEMA.
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Look like fresh promise of MAD. Upteenth time it now stale. Raila play is pass Exec PM - then use it to wedge Mt Kenya from Ruto. Legacy and other myths are alien concepts invented by Tangatanga to plum their "Supreme Leader" counter-offer.
Which brings us back to the salient point - choose Raila or Ruto. That is GEMA option on the table. I thing rational choice is Ruto for many GEMA people.The understand was Uhuru does his 10 and goes home - and campaign for Ruto. He was not and is not suppose to continue. If he attempts to reincarnate in any forms - he will be inviting himself to war and ridicule.
Ruto is willing to let him run this 5yrs alone - but on condition he is going home. If not - then surely you understimate the war coming Uhuru way.
Ha ha laughable nonsense. Only a retard can trust a power-hungry backstabbing thug like Ruto. i told you Ruto will be hammered until he NEEDS Gema. He used mlolongo to get direct Mt Kenya support behind Uhuru back which is sacrilege. Cause 50-50 under such circumstances is hot air. Power concede nothing [sic]. PM is exactly 50-50 - but your boy started ukora and tantrums - wanting to pick his own deputy Kiunjuri for Uhuru. In meantime Raila pulled Trojan - seduced Uhuru with Exec PM - now it too late for your boy.
Ruto boys are at Mama Ngina Beach now - i can't seem to get Citizen Livestream to work... but i imagine it stupid and impossible to counter Joho and Kingi in Pwani. Handshake crew control the ground, the dais, the program, the machinery and the BBI taskforce. i expect Murkomen and Tangatanga to throw tantrums as they are barred from speaking ala Bomas. They will retreat to hotel to read their memos about maize and sugar there - read by Jumwa and Ali Jicho Pevu. Then fuming Ruto will declare parallel rallies... which will be pointless because the BBI wazee will pretend to listen and still come up with choreographed report. i also expect Tangatanga to be barred from Mt Kenya in the guise of threat of chaos. They were barred in Kakamega / Mumias.
If Uhuru want PM - all he need is just ask Ruto. Ruto is committed and ready for 50-50 deal with GEMA.
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MAD is assured destruction for both of them - and winner is Raila. Uhuru has to play. He played BBI well - let see in BBI 2.0. That Uhuru will get Exec PM after 10yrs in power and Kenyatta Snr 15yrs is crazy - he won't - Ruto will give Raila that executive PORK.
Look like fresh promise of MAD. Upteenth time it now stale. Raila play is pass Exec PM - then use it to wedge Mt Kenya from Ruto. Legacy and other myths are alien concepts invented by Tangatanga to plum their "Supreme Leader" counter-offer.
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There is no MAD - Ruto has no card except maybe PEV 2 - which is suicide. Once Uhuru run for PM - Kurias and Nyoros will abandon Ruto - as the ground swing.
Ruto has no way to stop Uhuru 2.0.
MAD is assured destruction for both of them - and winner is Raila. Uhuru has to play. He played BBI well - let see in BBI 2.0.
Look like fresh promise of MAD. Upteenth time it now stale. Raila play is pass Exec PM - then use it to wedge Mt Kenya from Ruto. Legacy and other myths are alien concepts invented by Tangatanga to plum their "Supreme Leader" counter-offer.
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BBI 2.0 has to happen - constitution has to be amended. I think you're jumping the gun. You think constitution will be amended through ODM rallies.
The BBI 1.0 we have will have to be ammended first :) and then draft bill prepared; and then bill has to get 1m signatures; then verified by IEBC; then county assemblies approve; then it goes to both senate and parliament; then referendum - with IEBC conducting it.
There is no MAD - Ruto has no card except maybe PEV 2 - which is suicide. Once Uhuru run for PM - Kurias and Nyoros will abandon Ruto - as the ground swing.
Ruto has no way to stop Uhuru 2.0.
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Ruto has capitulated to supporting referendum. I see Murkomen in the headlines. It a matter of time now for unanimous like you said. Ruto is more likely working on parliamentary strategy - which is a very tall order - unless he go for DPM under Uhuru or Raila. Otherwise it Uhuru 2 vs Ruto in Mt Kenya.
BBI 2.0 has to happen - constitution has to be amended. I think you're jumping the gun. You think constitution will be amended through ODM rallies.
There is no MAD - Ruto has no card except maybe PEV 2 - which is suicide. Once Uhuru run for PM - Kurias and Nyoros will abandon Ruto - as the ground swing.
Ruto has no way to stop Uhuru 2.0.
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Murkomen changes tune, now dances to referendum beat
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001357893/murkomen-changes-tune-now-dances-to-referendum-beat
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Nope. They are trying to snatch the initiative because Raila has turned BBI 1.o into BBI 2.0. The BBI we know is one that was presented. The one in Raila and Robina head with executive PM and a parliamentary system is still work in progress.
Will Haji call another Bomas of Kenya to present another BBI report?
Or are they implementing the BBI recommendations?
Ruto has capitulated to supporting referendum. I see Murkomen in the headlines. It a matter of time now for unanimous like you said. Ruto is more likely working on parliamentary strategy - which is a very tall order - unless he go for DPM under Uhuru or Raila. Otherwise it Uhuru 2 vs Ruto in Mt Kenya.
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Seems you are stuck in "they are playing Raila" :) - while the reverse is true. Ruto has capitulated to everything - so when BBI wazee produce 2nd report with Exec PM - he will have a tough time conjuring a new narrative. Parliamentary has been ready since day one and the rest are motions.
Nope. They are trying to snatch the initiative because Raila has turned BBI 1.o into BBI 2.0. The BBI we know is one that was presented. The one in Raila and Robina head with executive PM and a parliamentary system is still work in progress.
Will Haji call another Bomas of Kenya to present another BBI report?
Or are they implementing the BBI recommendations?
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Kikuyus will have a candidate. Take that to your local mama merry go round and make a bet
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We had these same arguments for last two years - and BBI report came and you lost. The idea that we will have another BBI report is strange :) . Will we have another Bomas to unveil it? or it won't be televised. I see Raila sort of collecting resolutions from rallies..then what? Will Haji collect them? Or will they go for another town hall in all the 47 counties? Or how will they come round and say we collect more views and made these changes? Maybe Raila will email them? Or post them?
Seems you are stuck in "they are playing Raila" :) - while the reverse is true. Ruto has capitulated to everything - so when BBI wazee produce 2nd report with Exec PM - he will have a tough time conjuring a new narrative. Parliamentary has been ready since day one and the rest are motions.
Nope. They are trying to snatch the initiative because Raila has turned BBI 1.o into BBI 2.0. The BBI we know is one that was presented. The one in Raila and Robina head with executive PM and a parliamentary system is still work in progress.
Will Haji call another Bomas of Kenya to present another BBI report?
Or are they implementing the BBI recommendations?
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Right. Except BBI is still here with us dominating the headlines. Uhuru is aware of all these voter or MP statistics and he is least bothered. Moi opposed presidential in 1966 - what stop Ruto from borrowing his wisdom - accept parliamentary in Kalenjin and pastoralist interest? Since Kalenjin / Kamatusa MPs are so many? Being imperial president is more important to him right? 8) Well, Uhuru is cut from the same cloth.
BBI wazee have published a schedule of meeting leaders in various regions. The rallies are collating the views to hand over to the wazee. Kingi read the Coast resolutions with 16 points on majimbo, land, bla bla. Ruto can do the same but of course his views will be ignored if not politically correct - in western I saw Benji Washiali and Echesa reading parallel resolutions about sugar farmers? Hope they handed over to the wazee lead by Wako.
The wazee will revise BBI from the fresh views to come up with a bill which will be gazetted by IEBC according to katiba process. There is no law requiring any taskforce or Bomas at all - those are politics to ensure widespread acceptance. Uhuru and Raila could as well sit in State House and come up with the bill by themselves - which of course they already did - the rest are optics and motions.
We had these same arguments for last two years - and BBI report came and you lost. The idea that we will have another BBI report is strange :) . Will we have another Bomas to unveil it? or it won't be televised. I see Raila sort of collecting resolutions from rallies..then what? Will Haji collect them? Or will they go for another town hall in all the 47 counties? Or how will they come round and say we collect more views and made these changes? Maybe Raila will email them? Or post them?
Seems you are stuck in "they are playing Raila" :) - while the reverse is true. Ruto has capitulated to everything - so when BBI wazee produce 2nd report with Exec PM - he will have a tough time conjuring a new narrative. Parliamentary has been ready since day one and the rest are motions.
Nope. They are trying to snatch the initiative because Raila has turned BBI 1.o into BBI 2.0. The BBI we know is one that was presented. The one in Raila and Robina head with executive PM and a parliamentary system is still work in progress.
Will Haji call another Bomas of Kenya to present another BBI report?
Or are they implementing the BBI recommendations?