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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: KenyanPlato on January 20, 2020, 02:18:09 PM
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he year of picking winners. The year of change. The year humanity confronts it's own extinction due to Global Warming. The decade that breaks or makes our planet.
2020: Take these Predictions with a grain of salt. They are after months of studying what is going on. They reflect the knowledge that is out there at the moment. Most will be point on and you will see these unfold.
Politically:
I see a world where the western civilization will finally realize due to it's untamed greed and recklessness they have killed the only planet habitable to Homo Sapiens. The zero Hour has finally started ticking. we are moving into uncharted territories. The human psyche knows something is wrong but only about 1% of people know what is ahead.
Economically:
Africa will continue to be the poorest continent. Due to lack of increased productivity. Africa only holds 1.1% of global wealth. What Africa needs is to dig all the coal, crude oil and uranium and produce electricity for less that $0.04/KWH. Otherwise your leaders will continue walking naked in western capitals. Africa problem is not governance but lack of a robust economic system. Selling raw materials and food to Europe is indentured servitude
Asia will continue to be the place to be in terms of economic activity. However, an aging population in China and India will present challenges. The two countries will have 600 million people over age of 65 by 2030.
Socially:
We are headed for 4th industrial revolution in Western Hemisphere via 5G technology and after this will be on our way to Singularity. Amazons type of companies will be norm not the exception.
Africa is still stuck in brick and mortar malls and dukas. Wake up and hack your way to the new system.
We are headed for a the most solitary social existence but the most connected. Your kids will chat online but will have no real friends. The only human touch they will get will be accidental.
For the poor nations billions will drown and starve to death by end of this decade. Australia type of calamities will be the norm. Asia will see the biggest Armageddon. Watch Indonesia and Bangladesh sink to the bottom of the sea.
Sahel region will be a furnace cooking people alive. Middle East will be a place where most will live 95 percent of their life indoors. Average temps will be 45 C year round. Yemen will just multiply. Syria will be the the most least talked about war because the embers of carnage will be all over the so called Middle East. Somali The nomads in these regions will just go nuts and terrorize the world for a longtime to come.
In West Africa most of these countries will be hell on earth. Nigeria has imploded. The North is ungovernable. The west is breaking away. There is no way to keep 300 million people well fed and cared for in a country will meager resources. The Altantic will warm up and rivers will dry and you haven't seen nothing yet. Lake chad is gone and with it livelihood of 300 million Africans. Who are now scaling the walls of Europe trying to get to the promised land
South Africa all 55 million inhabitants will either die or migrate. For Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Angola their only hope is to migrate to Europe or move up East to Congo Forest and great lakes regions
Right now Zambia, Malawi are on permanent aid food program . I believe Zambia has one in lifetime drought that will be the new norm.
As for East Africa Indian Ocean warm waters will drown and cook all life and those rain forests around you. Be prepared. The current floods are a dry run, It will be ugly
As for USA and UK they will remain the most powerful and draconian states. doing everything to maintain their own collapsing civilizations.The rest of Europe will just be Europe a place where Africa, Eastern Asia will meet to reshape the west civilization. It will be an alll out invasion from Africa and middle east. Europe is about to get darker and brown.
Happy New Year everyone and Happy New Decade. Live like this is your last decade because it may be it.
NOT all is doom and gloom. Life is beautiful. Enjoy it and do your part to save this planet
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This is really positive. ..
I definitely think we've reached the peak of materialism and as time goes people will become more eco-friendly and healthy while the poor get poorer and the rich get poorer since money as a currency won't be tangible enough to invest. I think the nature of what it means to be sentient will shift with the growth of AI and the evolution of AI and dare I say, programming consciousness from de-programming dna into different forms. Perhaps the notion of immortality and a time-knife or the notion of heaven on earth may really happen someday after a fiery apocalypse.
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This is really positive. ..
I definitely think we've reached the peak of materialism and as time goes people will become more eco-friendly and healthy while the poor get poorer and the rich get poorer since money as a currency won't be tangible enough to invest. I think the nature of what it means to be sentient will shift with the growth of AI and the evolution of AI and dare I say, programming consciousness from de-programming dna into different forms. Perhaps the notion of immortality and a time-knife or the notion of heaven on earth may really happen someday after a fiery apocalypse.
Hopefully a new awakening is emerging
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What happens in the US in the next year or so could be the turning point. This is the only country on earth where a major party(one currently occupying power no less) denies climate change and is openly anti-science and anti-intellectual.
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What happens in the US in the next year or so could be the turning point. This is the only country on earth where a major party(one currently occupying power no less) denies climate change and is openly anti-science and anti-intellectual.
What about Australia?
The world is anti science.
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What happens in the US in the next year or so could be the turning point. This is the only country on earth where a major party(one currently occupying power no less) denies climate change and is openly anti-science and anti-intellectual.
What about Australia?
The world is anti science.
I have always assumed they are like the rest of west, exhibiting a healthy respect for science in general policy decisions. But I may be wrong, and just ignorant. As for the world, I think you'd have to go into places and times like the ISIS caliphate to find a similar level of anti-intellectualism that pervades the Republican party today.
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Wrong thread - I am still not convinced about Climate Change - Unlike HIV-AIDS - the science behind it is doggy.
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Wrong thread - I am still not convinced about Climate Change - Unlike HIV-AIDS - the science behind it is doggy.
What is dodgy about it
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Wrong thread - I am still not convinced about Climate Change - Unlike HIV-AIDS - the science behind it is doggy.
What is dodgy about it
Read carefully. Man never claimed it is dodgy. Woof, woof.
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Wrong thread - I am still not convinced about Climate Change - Unlike HIV-AIDS - the science behind it is doggy.
Climate change is actually pretty well established. Much better than HIV theory. The earth is heating up. Even a dude who has been conscious since the 90's can tell something is happening, especially if he lives in Northern and Southern latitudes. But more seriously there is over 100 years of data supporting the phenomenon.
The only serious disagreement I have seen is whether it's caused by man.
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Thank you. Climate change is cyclical. This is beyond dispute. And it is not caused by man. All other hysteria of "man causes climate change" is usual Left, Woke and other loony inclined believers. It's a scam for some corporates and government to control people behaviour.. Indeed most of what Climate Change activists have been broadcasting can easily be debunked.
Climate change is actually pretty well established. Much better than HIV theory. The earth is heating up. Even a dude who has been conscious since the 90's can tell something is happening, especially if he lives in Northern and Southern latitudes. But more seriously there is over 100 years of data supporting the phenomenon.
The only serious disagreement I have seen is whether it's caused by man.
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Thank you. Climate change is cyclical. This is beyond dispute. And it is not caused by man. All other hysteria of "man causes climate change" is usual Left, Woke and other loony inclined believers. It's a scam for some corporates and government to control people behaviour.. Indeed most of what Climate Change activists have been broadcasting can easily be debunked.
Climate change is actually pretty well established. Much better than HIV theory. The earth is heating up. Even a dude who has been conscious since the 90's can tell something is happening, especially if he lives in Northern and Southern latitudes. But more seriously there is over 100 years of data supporting the phenomenon.
The only serious disagreement I have seen is whether it's caused by man.
Where is your Thabo Mbeki Tin Foil
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Climate change is as real as climate bombs. If a nuclear bomb can wipe out civilisations, so can climate bombs and climate change. This logic better resonates with tea party folks.
Australia is yobbo galore even in the intelligentsia.. I don't mind it though... gives me more time to care for me... smart people give me a headache sometimes. ..
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Thank you. Climate change is cyclical. This is beyond dispute. And it is not caused by man. All other hysteria of "man causes climate change" is usual Left, Woke and other loony inclined believers. It's a scam for some corporates and government to control people behaviour.. Indeed most of what Climate Change activists have been broadcasting can easily be debunked.
Climate change is actually pretty well established. Much better than HIV theory. The earth is heating up. Even a dude who has been conscious since the 90's can tell something is happening, especially if he lives in Northern and Southern latitudes. But more seriously there is over 100 years of data supporting the phenomenon.
The only serious disagreement I have seen is whether it's caused by man.
That's not what I am saying though.
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This is really positive. ..
I definitely think we've reached the peak of materialism and as time goes people will become more eco-friendly and healthy while the poor get poorer and the rich get poorer since money as a currency won't be tangible enough to invest. I think the nature of what it means to be sentient will shift with the growth of AI and the evolution of AI and dare I say, programming consciousness from de-programming dna into different forms. Perhaps the notion of immortality and a time-knife or the notion of heaven on earth may really happen someday after a fiery apocalypse.
People need to stop fawning at this AI nonsense, AI is marketing hogwash. It won't happen.
The future is low tech.
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I am inclined to Garliv's view of man being only a minor contributor to the climate. That factories have caused oceans to boil over? There are many unknowns out there causing all kinds of things. We should progressively switch off the chimneys but I see no panacea in sight. It is like the sea tides - noone can coherently explain the moon this wind that mumbo jumbo. Scientists need to own up when they don't know things.
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Thank you. Climate change is cyclical. This is beyond dispute. And it is not caused by man. All other hysteria of "man causes climate change" is usual Left, Woke and other loony inclined believers. It's a scam for some corporates and government to control people behaviour.. Indeed most of what Climate Change activists have been broadcasting can easily be debunked.
Climate change is actually pretty well established. Much better than HIV theory. The earth is heating up. Even a dude who has been conscious since the 90's can tell something is happening, especially if he lives in Northern and Southern latitudes. But more seriously there is over 100 years of data supporting the phenomenon.
The only serious disagreement I have seen is whether it's caused by man.
Thank you Garlic. For the first time in years we find common ground with Pundit. Climate change is total B-something mumbo jumbo peddled by Mr Francis and his munions around the world. There is no science behind it to be denied. Francis wants to control the world by using this global hysteria, while academics want to lap up the money Francis might bring in the process. In the end, the madness will swallow both. Of all the madnesses in the world, this one has escaped Trump.
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Planet is a self-correcting system
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Anyone denying human caused global warming is a certified educated or uneducated nut. You will soon know mother nature has the last day. The day you will either be drowning or burning will be the day of reckoning. Educate yourself and stop bringing politics to science. Science is irrefutable science it is not qn art like politics
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Thank you. Climate change is cyclical. This is beyond dispute. And it is not caused by man. All other hysteria of "man causes climate change" is usual Left, Woke and other loony inclined believers. It's a scam for some corporates and government to control people behaviour.. Indeed most of what Climate Change activists have been broadcasting can easily be debunked.
Climate change is actually pretty well established. Much better than HIV theory. The earth is heating up. Even a dude who has been conscious since the 90's can tell something is happening, especially if he lives in Northern and Southern latitudes. But more seriously there is over 100 years of data supporting the phenomenon.
The only serious disagreement I have seen is whether it's caused by man.
Thank you Garlic. For the first time in years we find common ground with Pundit. Climate change is total B-something mumbo jumbo peddled by Mr Francis and his munions around the world. There is no science behind it to be denied. Francis wants to control the world by using this global hysteria, while academics want to lap up the money Francis might bring in the process. In the end, the madness will swallow both. Of all the madnesses in the world, this one has escaped Trump.
The image below charts CO2 levels over the past 800,000 years(the information is extracted from studies of accumulated ice in Antarctica). The vertical line roughly coincides with the industrial revolution. CO2 is the biggest contributor to the greenhouse effect on earth.
(https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/paleo_CO2_2018_620.gif)
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide
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As far as I know, the only 'research' that denies man's role in the climate crisis is funded by companies that don't want change because it'll affect their profits. No one else srsly doubts it. Too many scientists involved, man. In any case, my thinking is this: Even if there's a chance we're wrong, why risk it? Mars is not yet a viable Earth alternative, you know. We have nowhere else to go! Worst thing is, Africans and other poor people around the tropics will be worst hit.
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You are wrong. Consider the following which no scientist disputes. And has been published in peer review journals..
1. Climate change has always taken place. Always. And records for up to 10k years back. No scientist dispute that.
2. CO2 is does not control temperature rise or fall. Eg if climate has always changed even when humans were hunter and gathers what amount of CO2 did they produce then? Remember industrialisation is 17th and 18th century thing. Between 2000 to 2016 Climate alarmists had predicted doom and gloom but nothing of what was predicted ever happened and temperatures did not rise as expected.
3. Despite what you read or hear in the media, THERE HAS NOT been INCREASE IN FREQUENCY of earthquakes, drought, hurricanes, floods etc. Check data for such events and every sober scientist admit there hasn't been unusual increase in frequency even as Humans churn CO2 and cows keep farting!
4. Arctic and Antarctic which are used by alarmists as evidence of climate change are even better than before. Check holocene paleoclimatology records. Just google. In the same vein polar bears and other species are even doing much better. Eg, sometimes last year Canada was debating whether to increase "killing quotas" of these bears as their numbers became a nuisance to Inuit communities.
5. Even UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has doubted whether global temperature has any effect on weather patterns..
I could go on. And there are a lot of data to throw most of climate change hoax into the dustbin but it is not popular to say so. Those who claim human activity causes climate change are the ones caught red-handed manipulating data.
As far as I know, the only 'research' that denies man's role in the climate crisis is funded by companies that don't want change because it'll affect their profits. No one else srsly doubts it. Too many scientists involved, man. In any case, my thinking is this: Even if there's a chance we're wrong, why risk it? Mars is not yet a viable Earth alternative, you know. We have nowhere else to go! Worst thing is, Africans and other poor people around the tropics will be worst hit.
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It is good and commendable to plant trees. Reclaim Mau Forest as a water catchment. Dispose and process garbage in a responsible manner. Eat healthy including red meat.
But forget hysteria of CO2 causes Climate Change and we are all about to die. Leave it to Greta Thunberg (or whatever) to make a name and enjoy her celebrity status. She will die at 109yr still shouting "How dare you, Climate change is killing earth!"
Anyone denying human caused global warming is a certified educated or uneducated nut. You will soon know mother nature has the last day. The day you will either be drowning or burning will be the day of reckoning. Educate yourself and stop bringing politics to science. Science is irrefutable science it is not qn art like politics
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At one point the cabal predicted a global cooling disaster. When it failed, they started the global warming hysteria. Now they are talking about CO2 levels like it is some poison gas. The so-called scientific consensus is total politics. KenyanPlato claims we are bringing politics into science then he cites numbers like as if we were debating Jubilee fractions. Science does not deal in majority vs minority, just plain facts. Phony climate scientists are bullying their sober colleagues into silence by citing numbers then saying they don't want politics. What nonsense! Man has played a role in pollution and environmental damage, but global climate change is a different game. Mr Francis wants men to think that because they have caused some pollution here and there they have the power to change the course of the universe by tinkering with politics, economics, compensation and carbon trading stuff. He is looking to set up the false sabbath to control the world (Laudato Si 237), while his scientific politico-scientists are salivating for his goodies. If science were so solid, they wouldn't have needed a pope to champion their false theories. Al Gore should have simply gone home to play with his grandchildren and wipe his political tears instead of toying with science.
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At one point the cabal predicted a global cooling disaster. When it failed, they started the global warming hysteria. Now they are talking about CO2 levels like it is some poison gas. The so-called scientific consensus is total politics. KenyanPlato claims we are bringing politics into science then he cites numbers like as if we were debating Jubilee fractions. Science does not deal in majority vs minority, just plain facts. Phony climate scientists are bullying their sober colleagues into silence by citing numbers then saying they don't want politics. What nonsense! Man has played a role in pollution and environmental damage, but global climate change is a different game. Mr Francis wants men to think that because they have caused some pollution here and there they have the power to change the course of the universe by tinkering with politics, economics, compensation and carbon trading stuff. He is looking to set up the false sabbath to control the world (Laudato Si 237), while his scientific politico-scientists are salivating for his goodies. If science were so solid, they wouldn't have needed a pope to champion their false theories. Al Gore should have simply gone home to play with his grandchildren and wipe his political tears instead of toying with science.
Tin foil alert. Did Pope rapey you coz you been harping about him for ages. Pope speaks on more issues. Try to debate a denier is wasting time. I have no time for your type.
Global warming is caused by emission of CO2 into atmosphere. That all. Simple science no need for conspiracies. Right now we are at a solar minimum so it warm even more once solar minimum is over. It is a proven fact that certain gases when emitted will cause earth either to cool 9r war. Sulfur cools while carbon causes warming. You do not need to be a climate scientist to understand basics.
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KenyanPlato
Here's NASA prediction that the next two solar minimum cycles 2021 and 2042 will see cooling like in the 17th century. So where's CO2 in this? Cows aren't farting enough? Or maybe humans will have been eliminated? Where do you get your data from?
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/news-articles/solar-minimum-is-coming
Then check this...
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-11/scientists-finland-japan-man-made-climate-change-doesnt-exist-practice
I can't say much about Pope and environment. But he's just a populist who should be in Argentina playing politics. I don't know why GeeMail is on his case
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Exactly.
You are wrong. Consider the following which no scientist disputes. And has been published in peer review journals..
1. Climate change has always taken place. Always. And records for up to 10k years back. No scientist dispute that.
2. CO2 is does not control temperature rise or fall. Eg if climate has always changed even when humans were hunter and gathers what amount of CO2 did they produce then? Remember industrialisation is 17th and 18th century thing. Between 2000 to 2016 Climate alarmists had predicted doom and gloom but nothing of what was predicted ever happened and temperatures did not rise as expected.
3. Despite what you read or hear in the media, THERE HAS NOT been INCREASE IN FREQUENCY of earthquakes, drought, hurricanes, floods etc. Check data for such events and every sober scientist admit there hasn't been unusual increase in frequency even as Humans churn CO2 and cows keep farting!
4. Arctic and Antarctic which are used by alarmists as evidence of climate change are even better than before. Check holocene paleoclimatology records. Just google. In the same vein polar bears and other species are even doing much better. Eg, sometimes last year Canada was debating whether to increase "killing quotas" of these bears as their numbers became a nuisance to Inuit communities.
5. Even UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has doubted whether global temperature has any effect on weather patterns..
I could go on. And there are a lot of data to throw most of climate change hoax into the dustbin but it is not popular to say so. Those who claim human activity causes climate change are the ones caught red-handed manipulating data.
As far as I know, the only 'research' that denies man's role in the climate crisis is funded by companies that don't want change because it'll affect their profits. No one else srsly doubts it. Too many scientists involved, man. In any case, my thinking is this: Even if there's a chance we're wrong, why risk it? Mars is not yet a viable Earth alternative, you know. We have nowhere else to go! Worst thing is, Africans and other poor people around the tropics will be worst hit.
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Yeah. Climate change has occurred throughout cosmic history yet there were no industries we know of.
You are wrong. Consider the following which no scientist disputes. And has been published in peer review journals..
1. Climate change has always taken place. Always. And records for up to 10k years back. No scientist dispute that.
2. CO2 is does not control temperature rise or fall. Eg if climate has always changed even when humans were hunter and gathers what amount of CO2 did they produce then? Remember industrialisation is 17th and 18th century thing. Between 2000 to 2016 Climate alarmists had predicted doom and gloom but nothing of what was predicted ever happened and temperatures did not rise as expected.
3. Despite what you read or hear in the media, THERE HAS NOT been INCREASE IN FREQUENCY of earthquakes, drought, hurricanes, floods etc. Check data for such events and every sober scientist admit there hasn't been unusual increase in frequency even as Humans churn CO2 and cows keep farting!
4. Arctic and Antarctic which are used by alarmists as evidence of climate change are even better than before. Check holocene paleoclimatology records. Just google. In the same vein polar bears and other species are even doing much better. Eg, sometimes last year Canada was debating whether to increase "killing quotas" of these bears as their numbers became a nuisance to Inuit communities.
5. Even UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has doubted whether global temperature has any effect on weather patterns..
I could go on. And there are a lot of data to throw most of climate change hoax into the dustbin but it is not popular to say so. Those who claim human activity causes climate change are the ones caught red-handed manipulating data.
As far as I know, the only 'research' that denies man's role in the climate crisis is funded by companies that don't want change because it'll affect their profits. No one else srsly doubts it. Too many scientists involved, man. In any case, my thinking is this: Even if there's a chance we're wrong, why risk it? Mars is not yet a viable Earth alternative, you know. We have nowhere else to go! Worst thing is, Africans and other poor people around the tropics will be worst hit.
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Yeah. Climate change has occurred throughout cosmic history yet there were no industries we know of.
You are wrong. Consider the following which no scientist disputes. And has been published in peer review journals..
1. Climate change has always taken place. Always. And records for up to 10k years back. No scientist dispute that.
2. CO2 is does not control temperature rise or fall. Eg if climate has always changed even when humans were hunter and gathers what amount of CO2 did they produce then? Remember industrialisation is 17th and 18th century thing. Between 2000 to 2016 Climate alarmists had predicted doom and gloom but nothing of what was predicted ever happened and temperatures did not rise as expected.
3. Despite what you read or hear in the media, THERE HAS NOT been INCREASE IN FREQUENCY of earthquakes, drought, hurricanes, floods etc. Check data for such events and every sober scientist admit there hasn't been unusual increase in frequency even as Humans churn CO2 and cows keep farting!
4. Arctic and Antarctic which are used by alarmists as evidence of climate change are even better than before. Check holocene paleoclimatology records. Just google. In the same vein polar bears and other species are even doing much better. Eg, sometimes last year Canada was debating whether to increase "killing quotas" of these bears as their numbers became a nuisance to Inuit communities.
5. Even UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has doubted whether global temperature has any effect on weather patterns..
I could go on. And there are a lot of data to throw most of climate change hoax into the dustbin but it is not popular to say so. Those who claim human activity causes climate change are the ones caught red-handed manipulating data.
As far as I know, the only 'research' that denies man's role in the climate crisis is funded by companies that don't want change because it'll affect their profits. No one else srsly doubts it. Too many scientists involved, man. In any case, my thinking is this: Even if there's a chance we're wrong, why risk it? Mars is not yet a viable Earth alternative, you know. We have nowhere else to go! Worst thing is, Africans and other poor people around the tropics will be worst hit.
Even you. Even you.
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Yeah. Climate change has occurred throughout cosmic history yet there were no industries we know of.
You are wrong. Consider the following which no scientist disputes. And has been published in peer review journals..
1. Climate change has always taken place. Always. And records for up to 10k years back. No scientist dispute that.
2. CO2 is does not control temperature rise or fall. Eg if climate has always changed even when humans were hunter and gathers what amount of CO2 did they produce then? Remember industrialisation is 17th and 18th century thing. Between 2000 to 2016 Climate alarmists had predicted doom and gloom but nothing of what was predicted ever happened and temperatures did not rise as expected.
3. Despite what you read or hear in the media, THERE HAS NOT been INCREASE IN FREQUENCY of earthquakes, drought, hurricanes, floods etc. Check data for such events and every sober scientist admit there hasn't been unusual increase in frequency even as Humans churn CO2 and cows keep farting!
4. Arctic and Antarctic which are used by alarmists as evidence of climate change are even better than before. Check holocene paleoclimatology records. Just google. In the same vein polar bears and other species are even doing much better. Eg, sometimes last year Canada was debating whether to increase "killing quotas" of these bears as their numbers became a nuisance to Inuit communities.
5. Even UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has doubted whether global temperature has any effect on weather patterns..
I could go on. And there are a lot of data to throw most of climate change hoax into the dustbin but it is not popular to say so. Those who claim human activity causes climate change are the ones caught red-handed manipulating data.
As far as I know, the only 'research' that denies man's role in the climate crisis is funded by companies that don't want change because it'll affect their profits. No one else srsly doubts it. Too many scientists involved, man. In any case, my thinking is this: Even if there's a chance we're wrong, why risk it? Mars is not yet a viable Earth alternative, you know. We have nowhere else to go! Worst thing is, Africans and other poor people around the tropics will be worst hit.
Even you. Even you.
Yes. You conflate nature with industry. Mau is caused by Ruto but the ice caps and tsunamis are bigger events that were there for millennia before. Don't be an Alt-Left nutcase.
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Robina you are disappointing me. I am no liberal or alt left. I worked as a consultant for a top chemical company. I had access to best researchers and they showed me how activism stopped ozone layer destruction and made them invent hcfs that are environmentally friendly. Thus my activism on this issue is purely altruistic. I want our species to live for a billion years. When I finally have a kid with you I want him to propagate our genes for million of years to come. My genes are in all continents. I am working on propagating them to among all tribes in kenya. You are my luo mission
I am no scientist but i will trust a scientist than a nut who believes Telsa and space X will be leaders of this decade
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Robina you are disappointing me. I am no liberal or alt left. I worked as a consultant for a top chemical company. I had access to best researchers and they showed me how activism stopped ozone layer destruction and made them invent hcfs that are environmentally friendly.
I am no scientist but i will trust a scientist than a nut who believes Telsa and space X will be leaders of this decade
Tesla will stop Mau and TB-inducing smog - not tsunami. That is still a noble goal. Climate change is an alt-Left conspiracy theory just like the alt-Right and their anti-migrant, anti-Islam nonsense.
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Robina you are disappointing me. I am no liberal or alt left. I worked as a consultant for a top chemical company. I had access to best researchers and they showed me how activism stopped ozone layer destruction and made them invent hcfs that are environmentally friendly.
I am no scientist but i will trust a scientist than a nut who believes Telsa and space X will be leaders of this decade
Tesla will stop Mau and TB-inducing smog - not tsunami. That is still a noble goal. Climate change is an alt-Left conspiracy theory just like the alt-Right and their anti-migrant, anti-Islam nonsense.
Telsa is a millennial wet dream.
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Robina you are disappointing me. I am no liberal or alt left. I worked as a consultant for a top chemical company. I had access to best researchers and they showed me how activism stopped ozone layer destruction and made them invent hcfs that are environmentally friendly. Thus my activism on this issue is purely altruistic. I want our species to live for a billion years. When I finally have a kid with you I want him to propagate our genes for million of years to come. My genes are in all continents. I am working on propagating them to among all tribes in kenya. You are my luo mission
I am no scientist but i will trust a scientist than a nut who believes Telsa and space X will be leaders of this decade
Plato, when you talk of "propagating your genes for million of years to come", there seems to be an angle you haven't given as much as a single thought to.... some 65 million years ago there was a sudden mass extinction of three-quarters of the plant and animal species on Earth, notably the dinosaurs. It is thought the planet's climate altered in dramatic, powerful ways. That was not man's doing coz he only showed up like 100K years ago. There is that theory of a huge asteroid or comet slamming into Earth. What is remarkable is that species died but Mother Earth remained and REGENERATED anew!
So Homo sapiens, don't be so full of yourselves... all the little gains you purport to control could be wiped out just like that... You are NOT in control of the Universe. Amen.
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Robina you are disappointing me. I am no liberal or alt left. I worked as a consultant for a top chemical company. I had access to best researchers and they showed me how activism stopped ozone layer destruction and made them invent hcfs that are environmentally friendly. Thus my activism on this issue is purely altruistic. I want our species to live for a billion years. When I finally have a kid with you I want him to propagate our genes for million of years to come. My genes are in all continents. I am working on propagating them to among all tribes in kenya. You are my luo mission
I am no scientist but i will trust a scientist than a nut who believes Telsa and space X will be leaders of this decade
Plato, when you talk of "propagating your genes for million of years to come", there seems to be an angle you haven't given as much as a single thought to.... some 65 million years ago there was a sudden mass extinction of three-quarters of the plant and animal species on Earth, notably the dinosaurs. It is thought the planet's climate altered in dramatic, powerful ways. That was not man's doing coz he only showed up like 100K years ago. There is that theory of a huge asteroid or comet slamming into Earth. What is remarkable is that species died but Mother Earth remained and REGENERATED anew!
So Homo sapiens, don't be so full of yourselves... all the little gains you purport to control could be wiped out just like that... You are NOT in control of the Universe. Amen.
You know I am just Bluffing trying to get to this Telsa girl good books.
Yeah the fools claiming Global warming is not human contributed have very little knowledge. Yes to you point that Home sapiens has been here for NY NY Minute. So I expect our species to be done quick without pain. Mother nature will continue to craft more life after us
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Here's NASA prediction that the next two solar minimum cycles 2021 and 2042 will see cooling like in the 17th century. So where's CO2 in this? Cows aren't farting enough? Or maybe humans will have been eliminated? Where do you get your data from?
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/news-articles/solar-minimum-is-coming (https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/news-articles/solar-minimum-is-coming)
Then check this...
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-11/scientists-finland-japan-man-made-climate-change-doesnt-exist-practice (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-11/scientists-finland-japan-man-made-climate-change-doesnt-exist-practice)
I can't say much about Pope and environment. But he's just a populist who should be in Argentina playing politics. I don't know why GeeMail is on his case
Solar minimum = no global warming? How is that different from dismissing global warming because of one brutal winter?
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You are wrong. Consider the following which no scientist disputes. And has been published in peer review journals..
1. Climate change has always taken place. Always. And records for up to 10k years back. No scientist dispute that.
Yep. And there is a simple explanation for it. Scientists who talk about anthropogenic "global warming" are not clueless about the usual climate cycles.
2. CO2 is does not control temperature rise or fall. Eg if climate has always changed even when humans were hunter and gathers what amount of CO2 did they produce then? Remember industrialisation is 17th and 18th century thing. Between 2000 to 2016 Climate alarmists had predicted doom and gloom but nothing of what was predicted ever happened and temperatures did not rise as expected.
Normal climate change normally happens with changes in the amount of sunlight hitting the earth and where/when it hits. CO2 is a greenhouse gas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect). Are you questioning that? CO2 has increased to unprecedented levels since around the industrial revolution compared to levels over the last 800,000 years.
3. Despite what you read or hear in the media, THERE HAS NOT been INCREASE IN FREQUENCY of earthquakes, drought, hurricanes, floods etc. Check data for such events and every sober scientist admit there hasn't been unusual increase in frequency even as Humans churn CO2 and cows keep farting!
I don't know. But I wish I could say I would be surprised if you are wrong.
4. Arctic and Antarctic which are used by alarmists as evidence of climate change are even better than before. Check holocene paleoclimatology records. Just google. In the same vein polar bears and other species are even doing much better. Eg, sometimes last year Canada was debating whether to increase "killing quotas" of these bears as their numbers became a nuisance to Inuit communities.
What about the Arctic and Antarctic is better? And global warming does not mean the end or absence of cold or even frigid spells. I detect a tendency conflate long term climate mediated changes and weather related events, local and global. It's like a farmer wondering how elephants can be endangered when a herd just rampaged through his farm.
5. Even UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has doubted whether global temperature has any effect on weather patterns..
I could go on. And there are a lot of data to throw most of climate change hoax into the dustbin but it is not popular to say so. Those who claim human activity causes climate change are the ones caught red-handed manipulating data.
As far as I know, the only 'research' that denies man's role in the climate crisis is funded by companies that don't want change because it'll affect their profits. No one else srsly doubts it. Too many scientists involved, man. In any case, my thinking is this: Even if there's a chance we're wrong, why risk it? Mars is not yet a viable Earth alternative, you know. We have nowhere else to go! Worst thing is, Africans and other poor people around the tropics will be worst hit.
Average global temperature has an effect on weather patterns. That is obvious.
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Looks like you deliberately misunderstood what the argument is all about. Point is, Climate Change Nutcases keep on predicting and hammering how HOT(temperature rise) the world/universe is getting and will be because of human activity which produces CO2: the culprit responsible for temperature rises.
But here we have NASA and their scientific analysis of data collected via their satellites stating that NOTHING LIKE THAT IS IN THE OFFING.
And no, it isn't just ONE predicted brutal winter that negate Alarmist argument but several other factors.
Second, global warming may or may not occur but the heart of debate is WHETHER IT IS CAUSED BY HUMAN ACTIVITY.
Solar minimum = no global warming? How is that different from dismissing global warming because of one brutal winter?
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Looks like you deliberately misunderstood what the argument is all about. Point is, Climate Change Nutcases keep on predicting and hammering how HOT(temperature rise) the world/universe is getting and will be because of human activity which produces CO2: the culprit responsible for temperature rises.
But here we have NASA and their scientific analysis of data collected via their satellites stating that NOTHING LIKE THAT IS IN THE OFFING.
And no, it isn't just ONE predicted brutal winter that negate Alarmist argument but several other factors.
Second, global warming may or may not occur but the heart of debate is WHETHER IT IS CAUSED BY HUMAN ACTIVITY.
Solar minimum = no global warming? How is that different from dismissing global warming because of one brutal winter?
I understood you to mean that the next 2 solar minimums are an argument against global warming due to CO2. That is what I understood you to say and is what I am saying is at best misleading.
Why? Because while CO2 may warm up the earth, it is not the only factor. Looked at in another way, those solar minimums would be cooler were CO2 levels lower. Also because the global warming is long term, we cannot rely on short term effects of things like solar minimums to dismiss it.
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There is lots of research that CO2 is not some kind of control knob for Global temperatures. It may contribute insignificantly but it isn't the control knob.
CO2 output from human activity may have increased over time but that doesn't mean anything much about global temperatures. Check NASA satellite data which identified most CO2 produced in Amazon tropics, African jungles. Available on their website or just Google.
Indeed a Finnish Study and confirmed by Japanese University Kobe concluded cloud cover may raise temperature significantly but not CO2.
https://cornwallalliance.org/2012/12/carbon-dioxide-and-air-temperature-who-leads-and-who-follows/
Sun, earth orbit, volcanoes, magnetic field etc may all be responsible for climate change but what Climate Alarmists want to scare humans that they are CHIEFLY responsible for global climate change which will VERY SOON AND IMMINENTLY kill all of us. Total BS. They want people not to eat meat, not to drill oil, not to drive cars, to shut down industries, to slaughter all cows, not to fly etc etc. And its all based on spurious and baseless hoax science. That's what at issue.
You are wrong. Consider the following which no scientist disputes. And has been published in peer review journals..
1. Climate change has always taken place. Always. And records for up to 10k years back. No scientist dispute that.
Yep. And there is a simple explanation for it. Scientists who talk about anthropogenic "global warming" are not clueless about the usual climate cycles.
2. CO2 is does not control temperature rise or fall. Eg if climate has always changed even when humans were hunter and gathers what amount of CO2 did they produce then? Remember industrialisation is 17th and 18th century thing. Between 2000 to 2016 Climate alarmists had predicted doom and gloom but nothing of what was predicted ever happened and temperatures did not rise as expected.
Normal climate change normally happens with changes in the amount of sunlight hitting the earth and where/when it hits. CO2 is a greenhouse gas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect). Are you questioning that? CO2 has increased to unprecedented levels since around the industrial revolution compared to levels over the last 800,000 years.
3. Despite what you read or hear in the media, THERE HAS NOT been INCREASE IN FREQUENCY of earthquakes, drought, hurricanes, floods etc. Check data for such events and every sober scientist admit there hasn't been unusual increase in frequency even as Humans churn CO2 and cows keep farting!
I don't know. But I wish I could say I would be surprised if you are wrong.
4. Arctic and Antarctic which are used by alarmists as evidence of climate change are even better than before. Check holocene paleoclimatology records. Just google. In the same vein polar bears and other species are even doing much better. Eg, sometimes last year Canada was debating whether to increase "killing quotas" of these bears as their numbers became a nuisance to Inuit communities.
What about the Arctic and Antarctic is better? And global warming does not mean the end or absence of cold or even frigid spells. I detect a tendency conflate long term climate mediated changes and weather related events, local and global. It's like a farmer wondering how elephants can be endangered when a herd just rampaged through his farm.
5. Even UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has doubted whether global temperature has any effect on weather patterns..
I could go on. And there are a lot of data to throw most of climate change hoax into the dustbin but it is not popular to say so. Those who claim human activity causes climate change are the ones caught red-handed manipulating data.
As far as I know, the only 'research' that denies man's role in the climate crisis is funded by companies that don't want change because it'll affect their profits. No one else srsly doubts it. Too many scientists involved, man. In any case, my thinking is this: Even if there's a chance we're wrong, why risk it? Mars is not yet a viable Earth alternative, you know. We have nowhere else to go! Worst thing is, Africans and other poor people around the tropics will be worst hit.
Average global temperature has an effect on weather patterns. That is obvious.
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Those 2 solar minimums answers a lot of Climate Change Alarmists. They state by this and this year UK will be swallowed by oceans (actually they had predicted as much). Or by this year this will have happened or temperatures will have risen by ao much degrees. So yes, scientifically determined 2 solar minimums is fair and adequate answer.
I understood you to mean that the next 2 solar minimums are an argument against global warming due to CO2. That is what I understood you to say and is what I am saying is at best
Why? Because while CO2 may warm up the earth, it is not the only factor. Looked at in another way, those solar minimums would be cooler were CO2 levels lower. Also because the global warming is long term, we cannot rely on short term effects of things like solar minimums to dismiss it.
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There is lots of research that CO2 is not some kind of control knob for Global temperatures. It may contribute insignificantly but it isn't the control knob.
CO2 output from human activity may have increased over time but that doesn't mean anything much about global temperatures. Check NASA satellite data which identified most CO2 produced in Amazon tropics, African jungles. Available on their website or just Google.
You are conflating most CO2 production with increasing CO2. It's not the same thing.
Indeed a Finnish Study and confirmed by Japanese University Kobe concluded cloud cover may raise temperature significantly but not CO2.
https://cornwallalliance.org/2012/12/carbon-dioxide-and-air-temperature-who-leads-and-who-follows/ (https://cornwallalliance.org/2012/12/carbon-dioxide-and-air-temperature-who-leads-and-who-follows/)
Sun, earth orbit, volcanoes, magnetic field etc may all be responsible for climate change but what Climate Alarmists want to scare humans that they are CHIEFLY responsible for global climate change which will VERY SOON AND IMMINENTLY kill all of us. Total BS. They want people not to eat meat, not to drill oil, not to drive cars, to shut down industries, to slaughter all cows, not to fly etc etc. And its all based on spurious and baseless hoax science. That's what at issue.
No time to look through that. Maybe later. But any suggestion that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas is not convincing. You don't even have to know about the planet Venus to understand this.
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They are some ngombes who doubt humans are causing climate change?! Why not doubt humans are behind the massive deforestation, desertification due to loss of topsoil from poor farming practices, air pollution, extinction of species due to poaching and habitat loss, resource depletion, etc. Just wash hands of responsibility for that too. Yes, man has not contributed to that too. Pollution was magically present in the past too you know, naturally. Nincompoops.
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Cloud cover or water vapour responsible for climate change which really are long-term weather changes, much more than CO2. Since it is impossible to stop the sun shining and causing water evaporation to form clouds, Mr Francis and his nutcase scientist followers drooling for cash have chosen the easiest victim, CO2. It's like Waititu hammering a Kiambu sweeper for his impeachment simply because he can't reach State House. They claim manmade climate change can be reversed by reducing CO2 emissions to a certain arbitrary level and using "consensus" to arrive at scientific conclusions. Seriously? Mr Francis is following in the footsteps of Mr John Paul who wrote Dies Domini in an attempt to justify a global sabbath (Sunday) using the true Bible Sabbath (Saturday) as the template. Read what Dies Domini says about the Sabbath as well as what Mr Francis says about it (Laudato Si, Article 237) and the bigger picture emerges. Bait with environment and switch to Sunday before people notice. Who would have imagined that real living scientists would line up behind a pope to proclaim their scientific madnesses? It is happening live! This manmade climate change hoax is like a nightmare but nobody can stop a pope with money and nutcases behind him. There are very dark forces behind the whole thing and they must be allowed to run the show for a time so that their madness may be fully exposed. The show must go on!