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Title: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: vooke on January 07, 2020, 11:23:36 PM
He MUST support Ruto, keep his end of the bargain or else...

Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 08, 2020, 12:00:55 AM
Frog noises. Unless Ruto backs him for Exec PM he is DOA. Kiunjuri is Ruto's pawn... can't hold his own.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 08, 2020, 12:20:19 AM
Uhuru has to realize that as he become lameduck his power will ebb
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: vooke on January 08, 2020, 07:02:48 AM
Frog noises. Unless Ruto backs him for Exec PM he is DOA. Kiunjuri is Ruto's pawn... can't hold his own.

He can't possibly strike back at all these noises though I wonder what exactly they need him for if they and Mount Kenya are 'solidly' behind Ruto
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 08, 2020, 09:31:19 AM
Frog noises. Unless Ruto backs him for Exec PM he is DOA. Kiunjuri is Ruto's pawn... can't hold his own.

He can't possibly strike back at all these noises though I wonder what exactly they need him for if they and Mount Kenya are 'solidly' behind Ruto

The noises and agitation are the mortal fear of BBI and parliamentary. With Uhuru angling for PM Kiunjuri and Ruto are DOA.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 09, 2020, 09:05:55 AM
Uhuru angling to extend his term in any form except possibly as jubilee party leader will be resisted so much he will end up besmirching his legacy.Look at him now...his biggest supporter is Waga & Babu owino....while his people have abandoned him.I don't think Uhuru is interested in politics because he has disengaged from politicians...so he is definitely planning his retirement.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 09, 2020, 11:40:09 AM
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Ruto-shows-his--might--in-Central-region/3126390-5411670-item-1-11vohsmz/index.html
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: vooke on January 09, 2020, 02:12:05 PM
How does Ruto hope to sell Kiunjuri to non-Okoyus in GEMA?
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 09, 2020, 04:43:26 PM
He is already sold. These things take a lot of fore-planning which is why Munyas, Kabagos had to lose - so did PK & Martha Karua. Now Munya will be interested in dueling with Kiraitu. The only other leader who had some little nyef nyef is Prof who from Tharaka Nithi and maybe speaker from Mbeere...both comes from smallers non-kikuyu gema.

In short kiunjuri now has no equal - which is why he has nearly all GEMA mps on his beck and call -77 mps.

How does Ruto hope to sell Kiunjuri to non-Okoyus in GEMA?
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Kichwa on January 09, 2020, 11:18:07 PM
I think Ouru is going for the PM otherwise people close to him think he will drink himself to death doing nothing in retirement.  It almost looks like a forgone conclusion. The Ruto brigade in Mt. Kenya will be locked out and that is why they are so bitter. They backed the wrong horse.  This thing is over.

Uhuru angling to extend his term in any form except possibly as jubilee party leader will be resisted so much he will end up besmirching his legacy.Look at him now...his biggest supporter is Waga & Babu owino....while his people have abandoned him.I don't think Uhuru is interested in politics because he has disengaged from politicians...so he is definitely planning his retirement.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 10, 2020, 09:41:48 AM
Hahaha - well that could be part of it - although I think his oncologist will probably prefer if he slowed down - and stopped smoking
I think Ouru is going for the PM otherwise people close to him think he will drink himself to death doing nothing in retirement.  It almost looks like a forgone conclusion. The Ruto brigade in Mt. Kenya will be locked out and that is why they are so bitter. They backed the wrong horse.  This thing is over.

Uhuru angling to extend his term in any form except possibly as jubilee party leader will be resisted so much he will end up besmirching his legacy.Look at him now...his biggest supporter is Waga & Babu owino....while his people have abandoned him.I don't think Uhuru is interested in politics because he has disengaged from politicians...so he is definitely planning his retirement.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 10, 2020, 10:13:13 AM
Pundit is allergic to reality so the only news he reads are Ruto's groupies praising him. Ruto of course got these guys through MLOLONGO - not any popularity. What Uhuru's parrots say is what matters. Murathe, Kamanda, Atwoli, Waiguru have all told us he is going nowhere. Events on the ground agee - BBI and these small fights with Ruto.

These Tanga Tanga meetings are pointless - Ruto would need 100% Mt Kenya and Kalenjin to stand a chance against parliamentary. Of course we know he already capitulated. Raila has run circles around him in non-Gema and the only battle is now between him and Uhuru in Kikuyuland.

I think Ouru is going for the PM otherwise people close to him think he will drink himself to death doing nothing in retirement.  It almost looks like a forgone conclusion. The Ruto brigade in Mt. Kenya will be locked out and that is why they are so bitter. They backed the wrong horse.  This thing is over.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 10, 2020, 10:19:33 AM
Ruto needs to focus on ARVs and bringing up his dozens of bastards. Even your new hero Ndii knows SH ataiona kwa Viusasa.


Hahaha - well that could be part of it - although I think his oncologist will probably prefer if he slowed down - and stopped smoking
I think Ouru is going for the PM otherwise people close to him think he will drink himself to death doing nothing in retirement.  It almost looks like a forgone conclusion. The Ruto brigade in Mt. Kenya will be locked out and that is why they are so bitter. They backed the wrong horse.  This thing is over.

Uhuru angling to extend his term in any form except possibly as jubilee party leader will be resisted so much he will end up besmirching his legacy.Look at him now...his biggest supporter is Waga & Babu owino....while his people have abandoned him.I don't think Uhuru is interested in politics because he has disengaged from politicians...so he is definitely planning his retirement.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 10, 2020, 10:35:00 AM
Pundit yawa - can you attempt to apply real punditry here. I know it really difficult to be objective. The real battle is in firmly in Ruto half of the field - very bad - specifically in Mt Kenya.

Raila strategy in Mt Kenya - Uhuru for PM
Raila strategy in non-Gema - parliamentary

What is Ruto's strategy anywhere?
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 10, 2020, 03:23:40 PM
Ruto strategy is to inherit PORK in an alliance with GEMA as plan A.That plan is still very much in play with Ruto enjoying 90% support of leaders and lait.Ruto has settled on Kiunjuri as his running mate.Now plan B if Constitution get changed will come.If Uhuru feel he badly wants to continue, Jubilee can make him PM as the party leader and Kiunjuri loses out, so Kiunjuri who is doing well has to fight such ideas.
why fix what not broken.GEMA and Uhuru will not trust Raila now or ever.As long as Ruto main competitor is Raila then Ruto sleep walks to statehouse.If Raila was to Tosha someone else esp from GEMA things could change....Ruto would be in big trouble.. otherwise Raila is a scarecrow that Uhuru is using so he can steal alone and monopolize power in his last time while keeping the stone throwers in kibra.For Uhuru to turn from executive pork to these laughable ideas would really be stooping too low...once you're pork your are at the apex..Commander in chief then you start saluting Ruto or Raila.Uhuru a prince surely not that desperate.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: vooke on January 10, 2020, 04:49:43 PM
Ruto strategy is to inherit PORK in an alliance with GEMA as plan A.That plan is still very much in play with Ruto enjoying 90% support of leaders and lait.Ruto has settled on Kiunjuri as his running mate.Now plan B if Constitution get changed will come.If Uhuru feel he badly wants to continue, Jubilee can make him PM as the party leader and Kiunjuri loses out, so Kiunjuri who is doing well has to fight such ideas.
why fix what not broken.GEMA and Uhuru will not trust Raila now or ever.As long as Ruto main competitor is Raila then Ruto sleep walks to statehouse.If Raila was to Tosha someone else esp from GEMA things could change....Ruto would be in big trouble.. otherwise Raila is a scarecrow that Uhuru is using so he can steal alone and monopolize power in his last time while keeping the stone throwers in kibra.For Uhuru to turn from executive pork to these laughable ideas would really be stooping too low...once you're pork your are at the apex..Commander in chief then you start saluting Ruto or Raila.Uhuru a prince surely not that desperate.

 Uhuruto  stole and still only managed 51%. How does Ruto hope to get over 51% without 100% corruptible IEBC and with only a fraction of GEMA by his side which the rest going Raila’s way?


If Uhuraila coalition is DOA in GEMA then why are Tanga Tanga roaches begging Uhuru to support Ruto?
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 10, 2020, 06:52:02 PM
That nice... except maswala nyeti

1. EXEC PM is PORK. Lazy Uhuru would simply appoint Mutua or Joho DPM to do dirty job of shouting match with Ruto Kiongozi ya Upinzani. Putin of Russia, Erdogan of Turkey, Chandrika Kumaratunga of Sri Lanka, Vojislav Koštunica of Serbia. Loong list of precedents - presidents turned PM - even Raila was PM wants to wind as ceremonial PORK.

2. That UhuRutopia is real and the circus is for fooling Raila. Hehe I would want to say that jury is out but Jubilee mayhem is trendsetting. No party meetings, no PG, no NEC, no elections, persecution of Ruto groupies, Kibra, etcccc. Big 4 is poof. Legacy is a mystery unicorn. Matiang'i and Handshake and Uhuru-for-PM calls are the real spanners in Ruto works.

3. Ruto has Kalenjin and Mt Kenya. True. Raila has Luo and non-Gema. Uhuru has GoK and that makes Mt Kenya unbankable. Ruto problem is Uhuru 2.0 - cause Exec PM is the BOSS - PORK will be ceremonial mother of the nation akin to Her Majesty 90yo Queen. So it laughable that Uhuru the PARTY LEADER will be appointed by Ruto. Ruto need a new party cause arap Jomo won't hand over Jubilee reins. And it will be comical to watch him implode as he attempt to take on Uhuru and Raila combo. He need to settle for number 2 - Deputy Leader - and trust Uhuru to throw him a bone as DPM - as dyed in the wool KYM. Sadly Uhuru neither need nor trust him.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 10, 2020, 07:02:32 PM
Uhuruto  stole and still only managed 51%. How does Ruto hope to get over 51% without 100% corruptible IEBC and with only a fraction of GEMA by his side which the rest going Raila’s way?


If Uhuraila coalition is DOA in GEMA then why are Tanga Tanga roaches begging Uhuru to support Ruto?

 :)  :)

Ruto lost the plot when bumbling bimbo Murconman and hubris nudged him to pull a fast one behind Uhuru back. It was plain backstabbing and only a psycophant like Pundit can spin that as genius.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 10, 2020, 07:28:55 PM
Uhuru-Raila vs Ruto would be dogbeating worse than Kibra. Know when you're beaten.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 10, 2020, 09:33:11 PM
Another loudmouth Ruto goon about to face the music

Gatundu South MP Moses Kuria arrested over assault

(https://mobile.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/5413132/medRes/2532164/-/9csj44z/-/Kuria.jpg?mrf-size=m)

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But Kuria, who is currently being held at the Kilimani police station, said he has been receiving threats against supporting Ruto's stand on BBI.

"Kuria wants his supporters to know that choosing to support the William Ruto camp has cost him this, but he says he is ready to bear the cross," Ichung'wa said.

"He says he has been categorically warned that he will not be allowed near the Ruto camp at all costs."

According to Ichung'wa it is ironic that Kuria is being held without indication of what he is being accused of or where he will be arraigned.

He said Kuria's decision to support controversial city lawyer Miguna Miguna's return was also another reason why he had been arrested.

His sentiments were echoed by Kiharu MP Ndindi Nyoro, who said Kuria is a "martyr" of the BBI project.

He said they have concrete evidence that the said woman was not assaulted.

https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Moses-Kuria-arrested-over-assault/1950946-5413122-15ibsw6/index.html
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 11, 2020, 11:48:28 AM
Kuria cooling his heels with the flees for the weekend. Pundit how does this marry with your Uhurutopia theory?

Police teargas MPs as Kuria spends night in jail despite court order
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Kilimani-police-lob-teargas-at-MPs/1950946-5414060-lbneksz/index.html
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 11, 2020, 11:59:19 AM
Jomo Kenyatta succession should teach you a lot that you can use to understand Uhuru Kenyatta succession
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 11, 2020, 07:18:13 PM
Senile bed-ridden Jomo is bad analogy. Moi and Kibaki successions can teach us what happens to entitled VP.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 11, 2020, 09:06:38 PM
Pundit seem even Eugene has abandoned your boy.  From Kisii BBI crusade. Nor even Madvd and Rectangular don't back him. Kalonzo is in Uhuru box despite NASA breakdown. Now all the 3 Ukambani governors are singing BBI. Samboja and Kingi were Ruto crew hapo zamani za kale. What happened to his boy Mvurya? he is AWOL.

Raila is playing chess - Ruto ndio checkers :) Your boy paraded Kikuyu MPs - pawns - in Nyeri. Raila parades big kahunas from half the country.

Ruto already backed BBI 1.0 they are merely refining it by powerful PM. :D It will be hard to do 180° like Punguza. Ruto merely has Kalenjin and Kikuyu. Yet I wonder how many of these mlolongo Judases can take a bullet for him. From the lineup of defectors and deserters - Waititu, Waiguru, Kimemia, Njuki, Kiraitu - Kuria probably had a chat with Jezebel to secure his freedom tonight. It not a joke to spend a night with fleas and drunkards even for Ruto. Let alone compare himself to matryrs like Rubia or Matiba.

Next in queue is Western. All governors and senators are lined up. Only few Khalwale, Barasa and Waluke will skip. Pwani with parliamentary and devolution - only crazy Jumwa back Ruto.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 11, 2020, 09:39:54 PM
You're again frothing from both sides of the mouth. Let me help break it down for you.
1) Jubilee party - Ruto has near totality in support. The small matter of Tuju will be dispensed with soon.
2) Jubilee gov - Ruto has is own side including Kiunjuris/Keters (albeit weaken), there are  Jezebel-Kibicho-Matiangi (powerful because they control security & have direct access to Uhuru) and we have moderates like Kinyua.
3) Where is Uhuru? BBI should have told you where Uhuru heart really is but we have the Jezebel-Kibicho working with Raila smarting from their total capitulation.

So what will happen next - politically nobodies/neophytes -Jezebel-Kibicho-Matiangi (Harambee house) will merge with Raila - end results nothing.Ruto with Jubilee political and half gov support will romp home.


Pundit seem even Eugene has abandoned your boy.  From Kisii BBI crusade. Nor even Madvd and Rectangular don't back him. Kalonzo is in Uhuru box despite NASA breakdown. Now all the 3 Ukambani governors are singing BBI. Samboja and Kingi were Ruto crew hapo zamani za kale. What happened to his boy Mvurya? he is AWOL.

Raila is playing chess - Ruto ndio checkers :)

Ruto already backed BBI 1.0 they are merely refining it by powerful PM. :D It will be hard to do 180° like Punguza. Ruto merely has Kalenjin and Kikuyu. Yet I wonder how many of these mlolongo Judases can take a bullet for him. From the lineup of defectors and deserters - Waititu, Waiguru, Kimemia, Njuki, Kiraitu - Kuria probably had a chat with Jezebel to secure his freedom tonight. It not a joke to spend a night with fleas and drunkards even for Ruto. Let alone compare himself to matryrs like Rubia or Matiba.

Next in queue is Western. All governors and senators are lined up. Only few Khalwale, Barasa and Waluke will skip. Pwani with parliamentary and devolution - only Jumwa back Ruto.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 11, 2020, 09:42:20 PM
As regard coast - where Ruto has bought huge land in Taita Taveta.

Read here https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/MPs-rally-behind-Ruto-plan-to-takeover-Coast-region-/1064-5414116-1356cs5z/index.html
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 11, 2020, 09:47:15 PM
Usual Ruto problem of lineup of nobodies. No single governor, senator or CS back Ruto. Mwashetani, Jumwa and Jicho Pevu fool. These featherweights can deliver NOTHING to Ruto. You used to tell us how Raila fear to trust powerful folks like Ruto. Well, it totally opposite now where all big kahuna are in his corner.

Look at Ruto Nyeri parade - all MPs and MCAs. Raila in Kisii - list of who is who. Same as Kibra. Ruto is not even able to court Kalonzo, Madvd or Rectangular despite Raila scorning them. He has lost his midas touch.

As regard coast - where Ruto has bought huge land in Taita Taveta.

Read here https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/MPs-rally-behind-Ruto-plan-to-takeover-Coast-region-/1064-5414116-1356cs5z/index.html
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 11, 2020, 09:58:32 PM
Don't take support of scared governors for real support. The ruling on suspending governors once Kibicho boys are sent their way has made every governor pro-gov (Pro-Kibicho) - some like Mike Sonko went as far as prostrating and offering to lead Uhuru third term bid - he is discovering very late what a poor strategy that was. You end up losing both political support and position.

Now smart politicians like most MCas and Mps knows the real BOSS is MWANANCHI - you have to stay near the pulse of the nation.

Then you have governors also facing a term limit - like most of these Uhuru orphans who are fearful of the future - as Uhuru retires.

The clearest indication of where Uhuru heart lies for me was BBI - why would they bring such a Ruto ordered BBI report?

I think Uhuru is playing someone. We are dealing with Uhuru orphans scared of a change of gov and Raila (the usual suspect) trying to string yet another run for PORK - the hard part for them will be agreeing a line up to face Ruto-Kiunjuri.

Usual Ruto problem of lineup of nobodies. No single governor, senator or CS back Ruto. Mwashetani, Jumwa and Jicho Pevu fool. These featherweights can deliver NOTHING to Ruto. You used to tell us how Raila fear to trust powerful folks like Ruto. Well, it totally opposite now where all big kahuna are in his corner.

Look at Ruto Nyeri parade - all MPs and MCAs. Raila in Kisii - list of who is who. Same as Kibra. Ruto is not even able to court Kalonzo, Madvd or Rectangular despite Raila scorning them. He has lost his midas touch. 

Everyone think Raila (and Uhuru) will tosha them while Raila want to be toshad.

As regard coast - where Ruto has bought huge land in Taita Taveta.

Read here https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/MPs-rally-behind-Ruto-plan-to-takeover-Coast-region-/1064-5414116-1356cs5z/index.html
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 11, 2020, 10:18:51 PM
Fear of suspension may apply to Waititu or Sonko but not Kalonzo or Madvd or Rectangular. Ruto has failed to net any of these jilted Raila mpangos. Instead he line up Khalwale and Jumwa. Lukewarm fear of Jezebel is Wa Iria or Kiraitu - likes of Waiguru, Kingi or Mutua enthusiastic support is inspired by self-interest. Outgoing governors will angle for MP in parliamentary. What motivate Kamanda the octogenarian to go riot against Ruto except the latter's ill-advised mlolongo? Ruto created serious trouble for himself in Gema.

About Uhuru real or true position - you are right it dependent on self- interest. Who has the best offer? Supreme Leader vs Exec PM? It a no-brainer really. He is mere 57 unlike Jomo (89), Moi (78) or Kibaki (83). The Uhuru succession is different from especially Jomo with only some semblance to Moi and Kibaki. We can buttress this if you want - the circumstances are more ripe for Uhuru to stay than retire.

Don't take support of scared governors for real support. The ruling on suspending governors once Kibicho boys are sent their way has made every governor pro-gov (Pro-Kibicho) - some like Mike Sonko went as far as prostrating and offering to lead Uhuru third term bid - he is discovering very late what a poor strategy that was. You end up losing both political support and position.

Now smart politicians like most MCas and Mps knows the real BOSS is MWANANCHI - you have to stay near the pulse of the nation.

Then you have governors also facing a term limit - like most of these Uhuru orphans who are fearful of the future - as Uhuru retires.

The clearest indication of where Uhuru heart lies for me was BBI - why would they bring such a Ruto ordered BBI report?

I think Uhuru is playing someone. We are dealing with Uhuru orphans scared of a change of gov and Raila (the usual suspect) trying to string yet another run for PORK - the hard part for them will be agreeing a line up to face Ruto-Kiunjuri.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 11, 2020, 10:29:58 PM
The definitive factor of Raila vs Ruto :  Raila is ready to retire as ceremonial president while offer solid Exec PM. He is on the clock. Ruto is young, greedy and entitled so he offer less than he takes. He get big Mama Ngina cheque, 50-50, then pull mlolongo and demand endorsement. His hubris and nonsense opened the door for Trojan 2.0 - he ruined it for himself.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 11, 2020, 10:59:59 PM
Why did BBI not recommend your parliamentary thing? When we at least have on table maybe we can listen to you.. otherwise it's not and constitutional changes are not a walk on the park like Mbuyu Koinange and 70s change the katiba..
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 11, 2020, 11:22:34 PM
BBI 2.0 is in the works and we have no less than Matiang'i and a plethora of Ngilus, Waigurus and the shebang campaigning for Exec PM. BBI 1.0 was to box your boy to back BBI - now he need to work twice as hard to paint it as evil. There is no opposition to parliamentary now - it a matter of time - Ruto was outfoxed.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 12, 2020, 11:45:44 AM
So you think BBI has blanket support so Matiangi can bulldoze us
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 12, 2020, 04:30:31 PM
So you think BBI has blanket support so Matiangi can bulldoze us

Yup. It has non-Gema support plus GoK. Gameshot
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 12, 2020, 04:31:35 PM
Shit hits the fan in Jubilee the madhouse Party

Now DP Ruto is locked out of official residence
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Ruto-locked-out-of-official-residence/3126390-5415094-14iolf1z/index.html
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 12, 2020, 08:58:18 PM
Robina,who is angling for this non existent pm.. Matiangi or Waiguru or Uhuru..once you're very clear on that...we can move forward.It appears while you want Uhuru for the job (the extend you can go for parliamentary system)..Matiangi n Waiguru are battling for it.We know Raila wants Pork .Lots of people have been given false hopes of non existent pm before starting with Raila,Ruto, maDVD,
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 12, 2020, 09:34:02 PM
Robina,who is angling for this non existent pm.. Matiangi or Waiguru or Uhuru..once you're very clear on that...we can move forward.It appears while you want Uhuru for the job (the extend you can go for parliamentary system)..Matiangi n Waiguru are battling for it.We know Raila wants Pork .Lots of people have been given false hopes of non existent pm before starting with Raila,Ruto, maDVD,

Ruto is one of the fooled - his midgets are being hanged without trial now by Her Majesty Queen Jezebel aka Uhuru Kenyatta. Merely backing him is akin to treason. Of course Matiang'i, Waiguru and everyone must angle for PM - it's the formal application process for junior post. Only a fool like Kiunjuri can settle for runningmate ab initio.

In other news, after Raila has locked Ruto out of Gusii, Kuria, Kamba - now it seem Mdvd and Weta have lost all their big kahuna to Raila. You were right Luhya will desert the windbags, but for Raila not Ruto. :)

Malala Kakamega ANC senator now BBI
Wangamati Bungoma Ford-K governor now BBI
Khaniri Vihiga ANC senator now BBI
Otichillo Vihiga ANC governor now BBI
Khaemba Trans Nzoia Ford-K governor now BBI
Even Mdvd boy Osotsi - ANC nominated MP - is BBI
Eunice Wamalwa is also firmly in Raila corner

Once again Ruto has a lineup of nobodies. Seem even Washiali is attending? Parliamentary is unstoppable and Babu will milk this cow all the way. With the clock looking at 80 he has to settle for ceremonial. It a worthy sacrifice for Kenya to have parliamentary. Uhuru Kenyatta of course is too greedy and selfish to ensure tried & tested parliamentary out of plain patriotism.

Buckle up - your boy will make an excellent Kiongozi ya Upinzani. He is very passionate, articulate and full of energy. His boys Kuria and Nelson Koech are handling the teargas very well. Almost as good as Babu Owinos.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 13, 2020, 06:15:38 AM
Oparanya from the little luhya sub tribe is going nowhere with Raila.Real deal is Bukusu and Maragoli.As for Ruto Kiunjuri they dealt with biggest headache..the rest is details.Raila groupies are still dreaming about BBI creating non existent positions enough to satisfy a huge any Ruto coalition
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 13, 2020, 09:40:57 AM
Pundit - you are right Kenya remain tribal. Now, tell us, why Oparanya hit 70% against Khalwale Ford K meagre 20%?Cause ODM is very popular among the smaller non- Maragoli & -Bukusu Luhya. ODM sweep Kakamega and Busia for that. Oparanya, Wakos and Khalwale if he had a brain and less broke would stick to ODM. It would be easy-peasy to governor for bullfighter. What a fool.

Come to big sub- tribes Maragoli and Bukusu. These tend to follow their own Mdvd or Weta. But ALL big kahuna are in Raila corner.... just listed for you. 5 of 5 governors, 4 of 5 senators are in BBI. Mdvd and Weta are crying so loudly. They know Ruto is DOA and won't join him despite Raila and Sifuna scorn. Mdvd openly say he will not join Ruto. Ditto for Kalonzo.

In short Ruto is going nowhere. Kamba, Gusii, Kuria is under lock and key. Now Luhya he is out. Washiali warming up to BBI...  :o Oh boy do you need a new strategy.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 13, 2020, 09:42:34 AM
Oparanya from the little luhya sub tribe is going nowhere with Raila.Real deal is Bukusu and Maragoli.As for Ruto Kiunjuri they dealt with biggest headache..the rest is details.Raila groupies are still dreaming about BBI creating non existent positions enough to satisfy a huge any Ruto coalition

The "biggest headache" i imagine is Uhuru so-say. Your punditry is rusty. Take a break. Umechoka.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 13, 2020, 10:02:28 AM
Ruto with Mau/Maa troubles... ole Lenku is BBI. Ole Kina the Maa demagogue is fierce Raila dog. Tunai is AWOL. Ruto has mere women rep Someone ole Tuya... cute mama from Narok.

Pwani his strategy is to buy huge ranch next to Mama Ngina farm. And host Jumwa and Mwashetani there. Samboja, Kingi, Joho, Mvurya, Issa Timamy, Dado Godhana are all declared BBI crew.

Ruto doing well in Kalenjin (95%), NEP (50-50.. they heartlessly abandoned him for parliamentary), Turkana/Samburu. Mt Kenya mlolongo crew and they hate PM maneno - totally unbankable due to Uhuru 2.0 joker.

What do you say Bw Pundit?
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Nefertiti on January 13, 2020, 12:48:59 PM
Some pundit still dreaming of Uhurutopia
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: Pragmatic on January 13, 2020, 02:19:14 PM
Pundit - you are right Kenya remain tribal. Now, tell us, why Oparanya hit 70% against Khalwale Ford K meagre 20%?Cause ODM is very popular among the smaller non- Maragoli & -Bukusu Luhya. ODM sweep Kakamega and Busia for that. Oparanya, Wakos and Khalwale if he had a brain and less broke would stick to ODM. It would be easy-peasy to governor for bullfighter. What a fool.

Come to big sub- tribes Maragoli and Bukusu. These tend to follow their own Mdvd or Weta. But ALL big kahuna are in Raila corner.... just listed for you. 5 of 5 governors, 4 of 5 senators are in BBI. Mdvd and Weta are crying so loudly. They know Ruto is DOA and won't join him despite Raila and Sifuna scorn. Mdvd openly say he will not join Ruto. Ditto for Kalonzo.

In short Ruto is going nowhere. Kamba, Gusii, Kuria is under lock and key. Now Luhya he is out. Washiali warming up to BBI...  :o Oh boy do you need a new strategy.

Let me help you here Robina..... Bukusu will vote solidly where Raila is. Even Weta with his Ford Kenya was just a gentlemanly arrangement by ODM (Raila) not to embarrass him in his own backyard. Why Pundit thinks that Ruto can wrestle Bukusus off Raila because of Didimus Barasa (a nobody!), John Waluke (got through because of a split of contestants) and the Wanyama boy in Webuye is a clear indication of his poor assessment of the Bukusu.

Yes, Oparanya will be the Western Kenya king-pin (forget Mudavadi who wants things done for him with no engagement with the tarmac); you saw yesterday that Oparanya pulled off the Bungoma caucus for the Jan 18th Bukhungu BBI event. Mudavadi and Wetangula no-shows were of no consequence. It is known that Wetangula will line up with Ruto and that is when the entire Bukusu will shift to ODM. Watch Mukhisa (after he finishes his UNCTAD junket later this year), he will be the counterweight to Wetangula (and a very able one for that), he will be offered any one of either the DP or Deputy Premiers.
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 13, 2020, 02:22:06 PM
You're focusing on scared governors - not where people are - and when the time comes when Harambee house bullies will not be able to bully governors - they will like Mps go with their people  - Ruto has the people. That is why opinion polls having him past 50% of decided voters.
Ruto with Mau/Maa troubles... ole Lenku is BBI. Ole Kina the Maa demagogue is fierce Raila dog. Tunai is AWOL. Ruto has mere women rep Someone ole Tuya... cute mama from Narok.

Pwani his strategy is to buy huge ranch next to Mama Ngina farm. And host Jumwa and Mwashetani there. Samboja, Kingi, Joho, Mvurya, Issa Timamy, Dado Godhana are all declared BBI crew.

Ruto doing well in Kalenjin (95%), NEP (50-50.. they heartlessly abandoned him for parliamentary), Turkana/Samburu. Mt Kenya mlolongo crew and they hate PM maneno - totally unbankable due to Uhuru 2.0 joker.

What do you say Bw Pundit?
Title: Re: Kiunjuri Gives Uhuru Marching Orders
Post by: RV Pundit on January 13, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
Raila has zero footing in Bukusu - the battle is btw Ruto and Ford-K - all the way to Transzoia. As for Maragolis - MaDVD is unbeatable there. That leave us with Oparanya who won't even emerge in Kakamega - he is restricted to Butere - and - lower vihiga (Luanda) - and Busia - ODM zone - otherwise Wanga and kakamega proper will go Ruto way.
Let me help you here Robina..... Bukusu will vote solidly where Raila is. Even Weta with his Ford Kenya was just a gentlemanly arrangement by ODM (Raila) not to embarrass him in his own backyard. Why Pundit thinks that Ruto can wrestle Bukusus off Raila because of Didimus Barasa (a nobody!), John Waluke (got through because of a split of contestants) and the Wanyama boy in Webuye is a clear indication of his poor assessment of the Bukusu.

Yes, Oparanya will be the Western Kenya king-pin (forget Mudavadi who wants things done for him with no engagement with the tarmac); you saw yesterday that Oparanya pulled off the Bungoma caucus for the Jan 18th Bukhungu BBI event. Mudavadi and Wetangula no-shows were of no consequence. It is known that Wetangula will line up with Ruto and that is when the entire Bukusu will shift to ODM. Watch Mukhisa (after he finishes his UNCTAD junket later this year), he will be the counterweight to Wetangula (and a very able one for that), he will be offered any one of either the DP or Deputy Premiers.