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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on December 12, 2019, 07:56:06 AM
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Spokesperson's Office
State House, Nairobi
Thursday, 12th December 2019
Press Statement
President Kenyatta extends term of BBI Taskforce
His Excellency the President and former Prime Minister, the Rt. Hon. Raila Odinga last evening at State House, Nairobi met the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) Taskforce.
The President and the Rt. Hon. Raila Odinga thanked the team for putting together a report that captures the aspirations of Kenyans and requested the Taskforce to continue leading the BBI process.
The Taskforce will therefore steer the next phase of the process which will largely involve expanding and guiding public participation, and structuring recommendations by Kenyans into implementable action plans.
Kanze Dena Mararo
State House Spokesperson
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Do you still think Uhuru is buying time or there is some mischief
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Time is not a friend to any mischief at this point.
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What a waste of time. It should be defeated soundly at referendum. There is no need for whatever they are selling
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They are resuming parliamentary - after testing the waters. There were few noises in Kikuyu and Kalenjin. Raila needs to drop his regional premier nonsense. Parliamentary federal is gameshot. Ruto crew are singing implement BBI 1.0 now now but he has zero say over the matter.
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Robina is that your wish or the reality.How will the same BBI team do a 360 and unleash radical proposal.And besides as soon as they unleash parliamentary..Mt Kenya will reject it again and again.For me BBI 2.0 is time buying by Uhuru as he placate Raila the more.
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Mt Kenya is not needed to pass parliamentary... cause everyone including Duale will see it as a golden chance to dethrone Kikuyu-Kalenjin tyranny. I mean just weeks ago we saw Duale openly back parliamentary. Only Kikuyu opposed vehemently - did you see that? Even Kalenjin were comme ci comme ça 8) Once it pass Kikuyu will heartlessly abandon Ruto in their own self interest.
The "experts" will not do any 180 - only "gather public views" that are being drummed by Kalonzos, Atwolis to donate real powers to the PM. Kenyans are already prepped on parliamentary. The full report is ready of course - only the politics are being managed. It's why Ruto crew are demanding BBI 1.0 implementation before yesterday. Kuria thinks it can be passed in one afternoon.
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In short nothing in the game has changed. Of course you can entertain us with Uhuru is tired and dying to retire. Ohoo he has lung cancer :)
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In short nothing in the game has changed. Of course you can entertain us with Uhuru is tired and dying to retire. Ohoo he has lung cancer :)
:lol: I haven’t seen that one. I have said before that if kamwana dies in office, we would have an Umaru Yar’adua kind of situation in Kenya, until the next elections.
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In short nothing in the game has changed. Of course you can entertain us with Uhuru is tired and dying to retire. Ohoo he has lung cancer :)
:lol: I haven’t seen that one. I have said before that if kamwana dies in office, we would have an Umaru Yar’adua kind of situation in Kenya, until the next elections.
One of Pundit's straws. Ruto is so thrifty to avoid a Goodluck no matter the means. He has strived to shed the polarizing persona but am not taken. When a jobseeker throws in the weekends and holidays... you have yourself a problem.
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Who is the desparate one here Robina.You spend two years extolling virtues of parliamentary systems so confident that BBI would buy it only for them to keep the current system.Now out of desperation you think BBI will do a 360 and recommend an overhaul of the katiba & somehow a referendum will get quickly organized and kibicho the powerful man will ensure it passes..The clearest signal that Uhuru is happy with BBI is retaining the team against Raila wish for a COE.As for Uhuru he is already on retirement mode...only the blind don't see that he has disengaged from politics near completely.And credible rumours had it that the chain smoker had stage 1 lung cancer..
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Only you believes Uhuru is disengaged. His machinery is in full swing. BBI 2.0 is in the works and Ruto is demanding speedy implementation of v1 for a good reason : he is afraid what new poison they are upto. You need to decide if Ruto is running circles around Uhuru or are they in cahoots? Your boy desperately needs to lock down Mt Kenya because Raila has a really BIG carrot.
About Uhuru lung cancer... a good Sunday laugh. :) Don't you mean liver cancer - he is a heavy drinker.
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How can Uhuru be politically involved when he has not called even one PG and has totally slighted MPs? You think technocrats are the new politicians?
The next surest sign you'll get is next march Jubilee party elections.
As for BBI - that is the Raila's gift that keep giving - Uhuru just bought himself more time. Already any constitutional referendum is time barred...if you consider the amount of time needed to draft a bill, collect signatures, get IEBC to verify, get it thro the 47 counties and finally get it through both houses of parliament - and finally prepare and hold a referendum.
The rumours I have heard about Uhuru health relate to Lung cancer - who knows his liver definitely not safe.
Only you believes Uhuru is disengaged. His machinery is in full swing. BBI 2.0 is in the works and Ruto is demanding speedy implementation of v1 for a good reason : he is afraid what new poison they are upto. You need to decide if Ruto is running circles around Uhuru or are they in cahoots? Your boy desperately needs to lock down Mt Kenya because Raila has a really BIG carrot.
About Uhuru lung cancer... a good Sunday laugh. :) Don't you mean liver cancer - he is a heavy drinker.
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Pundit are you sure these guys are in cahoots to trick Raila. Or are they tricking themselves
Uhuru, Ruto political rivalry goes overboard
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Uhuru--Ruto-allies-political-rivalry-gets-nasty/3126390-5386350-onuh2f/index.html
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How Cabinet split has threatened Uhuru's Big 4 dream
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-15-how-cabinet-split-has-threatened-uhurus-big-4-dream/
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Revealed--New-BBI-game-plan/3126390-5386320-13ouaf8/index.html
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Ruto will win in 2022. Four reasons:
1) Raila is too gullible and never has a real plan. On top of that, he is not really trusted by GEMA.
2) Ruto has no real opposition. Kalonzo, Mudavadi, etc. are flakes with no national support.
3) GEMA would rather go with Ruto as the best of bad alternatives. GEMA and RV will unite and then buy some of the other groups.
4) All current and prospective Big Looters will line up behind Ruto. Small fish not wishing to be left behind will quickly follow.
The only "positive" there is in sight is that after Ruto and his fellow looters really f**k up the country---and, inevitably, they will---Kenyans will, as they did with Moi, wake up (for a really short time) and demand some real changes. Then rinse and repeat.
The only thing Handshake achieved was a neutering of the Opposition, allowing Uhuru to govern without kelele mingi. For once, a smart move by Uhuru.
BBI = Boosting Bullshit Incrementally.
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Ruto will win in 2022. Four reasons:
1) Raila is too gullible and never has a real plan. On top of that, he is not really trusted by GEMA.
2) Ruto has no real opposition. Kalonzo, Mudavadi, etc. are flakes with no national support.
3) GEMA would rather go with Ruto as the best of bad alternatives. GEMA and RV will unite and then buy some of the other groups.
4) All current and prospective Big Looters will line up behind Ruto. Small fish not wishing to be left behind will quickly follow.
The only "positive" there is in sight is that after Ruto and his fellow looters really f**k up the country---and, inevitably, they will---Kenyans will, as they did with Moi, wake up (for a really short time) and demand some real changes. Then rinse and repeat.
The only thing Handshake achieved was a neutering of the Opposition, allowing Uhuru to govern without kelele mingi. For once, a smart move by Uhuru.
BBI = Boosting Bullshit Incrementally.
Correct analysis. Raila is the cannot keep on focus. He is like a kid suffering ADHD.
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MOON Ki the cynic is back. At least we agree on what kind of system we would have under Ruto. Soddom and Gomorrah.
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Raila has never been strategic or tactical just like his late father was reckless- and naive.The worst part of Raila character flaw - lack of patience and loyalty to friends. He also like to fall out rather badly with friends.
Correct analysis. Raila is the cannot keep on focus. He is like a kid suffering ADHD.
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Why would there be Soddom and Gomorrah. Ruto has looted enough to finance his ambition - and I think because he is cerebral - he will want to leave a legacy. The way Meles or Kagame killed to get power - is the way Ruto looted to get the power. In kenya without money - you're nothing. In Rwanda or Uganda or many africa countries - without guns and reputation for great violence - you're nothing.
Why do I think Ruto will succeed.
1) He is disciplined and knows how to get stuff done.He has the energy required to get stuff done.This is Uhuru major character flaw.
2) He is brilliant - 1st class degree - Msc & PHD while facing ICC - he rolls out facts & grasp ideas very quickly. This was Moi major handicap.
3) He is a political superstar - so he will handle the politics and stabilize the country. This was Kibaki major handicap.
4) He is very ambitious - nothing ever satisfy Ruto - and want to leave a great legacy. I doubt any of previous PORK have as half Ruto burning ambition to be PORK.
His only major flaw - he will reward himself with 10% and well his other personal failing - promiscuity - will only affect Rachel :)
MOON Ki the cynic is back. At least we agree on what kind of system we would have under Ruto. Soddom and Gomorrah.
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MOON Ki the cynic is back. At least we agree on what kind of system we would have under Ruto. Soddom and Gomorrah.
That seems a bit unkind, dada. How does the mere fact of pointing out reality make me a cynic?
If I were you, I wouldn't worry too much about the Soddom and Gomorrah. Kenyans are suckers for punishment and will absorb any amount of it for ages. Consider how long it took them to do something about rear-end tarimbo from Moi.
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Lol MOON Ki. That's what a cynic is - not a bad mold. I am the cautious optimist. At least so I fancy myself. Kenyans are evolving slow but sure.
Now, about your take of the present political case scenario, it is all conjecture. Raila while disorganized remains a formidable schemer. He has the insufferable Ruto running helter skelter quite single handedly. Don't discount him just yet.
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Pundit has Mt Kenya become unbankable or what :)
Ruto looks beyond Mt Kenya for 2022
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-16-ruto-looks-beyond-mt-kenya-for-2022/
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If we were to react to every yarn from newspapers we would be really busy here - and do nothing elsewhere.
I told you for free PORK is taken (WSR), DPORK is taken (Kiunjuri) - Kalonzo and Madvd are free to compete with Duale for PM position. That is Jubilee lineup that has back up of mt kenya, Kamatusa and NEP. This is SURE BET lineup.
We have Raila lineup that is shaping up to include maybe Harambee house Jezebel crew - Matiangi & Kamotho wife - Waiguru - and throw in the usual suspect of Joho & Oparanya - and possibly Mutua. This may well split into Raila versus Jubilee technocrats :) aka Uhuru orphans - if someone was to lie to Matiangi & crew that they are popular.
Then we have confused elements of Gideon, Wetangula, Abduba Dida, Kalonzo and MaDVD - as usual the 3rd plank - rich picking for top ups.
Uhuru himself will be going home - that you should already know. He will at the right time back WSR because he will have no option. That is how good WSR is politically.
Pundit has Mt Kenya become unbankable or what :)
Ruto looks beyond Mt Kenya for 2022
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-16-ruto-looks-beyond-mt-kenya-for-2022/
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All these qualities are to be found in Kagame, Lincoln, Stalin, Hitler, Yew, Mao, name it. They tell us little by themselves. Ruto has never been president so we don't know his true colors. Intentions matter and so far nothing indicates any benevolence but the raw uncensored hunger for power and control.
Why would there be Soddom and Gomorrah. Ruto has looted enough to finance his ambition - and I think because he is cerebral - he will want to leave a legacy. The way Meles or Kagame killed to get power - is the way Ruto looted to get the power. In kenya without money - you're nothing. In Rwanda or Uganda or many africa countries - without guns and reputation for great violence - you're nothing.
Why do I think Ruto will succeed.
1) He is disciplined and knows how to get stuff done.He has the energy required to get stuff done.This is Uhuru major character flaw.
2) He is brilliant - 1st class degree - Msc & PHD while facing ICC - he rolls out facts & grasp ideas very quickly. This was Moi major handicap.
3) He is a political superstar - so he will handle the politics and stabilize the country. This was Kibaki major handicap.
4) He is very ambitious - nothing ever satisfy Ruto - and want to leave a great legacy. I doubt any of previous PORK have as half Ruto burning ambition to be PORK.
His only major flaw - he will reward himself with 10% and well his other personal failing - promiscuity - will only affect Rachel :)
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He has been DPORK with 50-50 power sharing in 1st term before retreating to be DPORK in this term. Been a minister, ass minister, mp and party leader.
All these qualities are to be found in Kagame, Lincoln, Stalin, Hitler, Yew, Mao, name it. They tell us little by themselves. Ruto has never been president so we don't know his true colors. Intentions matter and so far nothing indicates any benevolence but the raw uncensored hunger for power and control.
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That's an OK bet. Ruto problem remain Raila ability to seduce Uhuru with Exec PM - while running circles around Ruto in non-Gema. Raila has most non-Gema out of Ruto reach - while holding the PM JOKER. Like your Ruto-Kiunjuri prophesy - you read this here first - Raila-Uhuru 2022. Unless Ruto can step aside for Kiunjuri :) he got nothing on Raila.
If we were to react to every yarn from newspapers we would be really busy here - and do nothing elsewhere.
I told you for free PORK is taken (WSR), DPORK is taken (Kiunjuri) - Kalonzo and Madvd are free to compete with Duale for PM position. That is Jubilee lineup that has back up of mt kenya, Kamatusa and NEP. This is SURE BET lineup.
We have Raila lineup that is shaping up to include maybe Harambee house Jezebel crew - Matiangi & Kamotho wife - Waiguru - and throw in the usual suspect of Joho & Oparanya - and possibly Mutua. This may well split into Raila versus Jubilee technocrats :) aka Uhuru orphans - if someone was to lie to Matiangi & crew that they are popular.
Then we have confused elements of Gideon, Wetangula, Abduba Dida, Kalonzo and MaDVD - as usual the 3rd plank - rich picking for top ups.
Uhuru himself will be going home - that you should already know. He will at the right time back WSR because he will have no option. That is how good WSR is politically.
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After BBI1.0 you disappeared for a few days - with such a bold bet - you'll disappear for months. Let us see the drama in march Jubilee nomination. Then BBI 2.0 townhall. Ruto odds are getting better every day.
That's an OK bet. Ruto problem remain Raila ability to seduce Uhuru with Exec PM - while running circles around Ruto in non-Gema. Raila has most non-Gema out of Ruto reach - while holding the PM JOKER. Like your Ruto-Kiunjuri prophesy - you read this here first - Raila-Uhuru 2022. Unless Ruto can step aside for Kiunjuri :) he got nothing on Raila.
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Uhuru 2.0 is why Moses Kuria is so agitated. He need to forget Gatundu/Ichaweri seat - try his luck against Ichung'wa in Kabete.
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You think Uhuru will run for Ichwari pork to become Raila mtu wa Mkono. How desperate is he :)
Uhuru 2.0 is why Moses Kuria is so agitated. He need to forget Gatundu/Ichaweri seat - try his luck against Ichung'wa in Kabete.
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Why would I disappear? I almost threw in the towel after fake Majority Leader as PM. But events turned almost immediately against Ruto. His crew demanding immediate implementation - in single afternoon - scared of real BBI. Like of Muturi played his hand immediately to block any attempt. Now the Haji wazee are just spending a few weeks in 5-star hotels cause parliamentary is ready. It a PR exercise.
MV Ruto remain far from the harbor. He need all the luck and cheering he can get - Exec PM is not a joke Gema can pass up for VP.
After BBI1.0 you disappeared for a few days - with such a bold bet - you'll disappear for months. Let us see the drama in march Jubilee nomination. Then BBI 2.0 townhall. Ruto odds are getting better every day.
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Exec PM is rebranded PORK. Raila will be ceremonial PORK to swear in folks and grace portraits in offices and kiosks. Symbol of sovereignty bla bla. That is what has Ruto worried despite controlling 200 MPs: Raila is ready to sacrifice while Ruto is not.
You think Uhuru will run for Ichwari pork to become Raila mtu wa Mkono. How desperate is he :)
Uhuru 2.0 is why Moses Kuria is so agitated. He need to forget Gatundu/Ichaweri seat - try his luck against Ichung'wa in Kabete.
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Pundit we all can't wait to see Jubilee elections. If they can't hold a mere PG. Recently they staged a comedy in Kibra. Forget ODM men in black - that would be real sarakasi.
The only "elections" Jubilee has ever held is mlolongo that caused current mayhem and torpedoed MOU. Ruto other party handiwork are NDP merger that broke Kanu in 02 after he attempt to shortchange Raila. Kanu post-Moi lasted few years. ODM post-07 Ruto was sidelined by Luos in 08 afer only 1 year with his hubris and impossible demands. UDM and ole Kamwaro comedy :). URP expired in 2 years. Now Jubilee after Sep 2016 - to March 2018. Nothing resembling a party since.
ODM - still biggest real party. Non coalition. Only Jumwa is a rebel as entire lineup - Joho, Oparanya, Sifuna - sing Raila. Ruto bicker with his Party Leader, Sec Gen, Vice Chair, CS's, cops, county commissioners, name it. Ruto need to run a steady ship for a few years. Not URP or UDM small canoe that still capsize. Before he can attempt to run the country.
Grapevine indicate Ruto has registered United Green Movement, Tanga Tanga Party, etc - as back up. Tough luck.
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That is not ultimate executive power - just political deals - we have little to go on. His biggest legacy todate remains driving insidious corruption - from the young crop to the clergy to Wanjiku. Moi at least respected the church - William Ruto has no bounds.
He has been DPORK with 50-50 power sharing in 1st term before retreating to be DPORK in this term. Been a minister, ass minister, mp and party leader.
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So why is all that not in BBI ? Or we are waiting for Robina rabbit to be pulled out in BBi 2.0. Hope truly springs eternal.
Exec PM is rebranded PORK. Raila will be ceremonial PORK to swear in folks and grace portraits in offices and kiosks. Symbol of sovereignty bla bla. That is what has Ruto worried despite controlling 200 MPs: Raila is ready to sacrifice while Ruto is not.
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Jubilee party primaries will be yet another opportunity like BBI 1.0 for Uhuru to show his cards. Be very attentive during that period. But of course like BBI 1.0 you'll find a way to spin it away.
If Uhuru allows for free and fair Jubilee nomination - then knows he is still a card carrying member.
Jubilee is biggest party as we speak.
ODM is party with 60Mps - about 35 of them being Luos - and 15 from coast - and that is about it. You take Mr Odinga too seriously - he is not the leader of Non-GEMA - Ruto is undisputed there now. Start with 14 counties of RV, 3 of NEP, 2 of Eastern - without even factoring the rest of the country - Ruto already start with 20 counties - from pastoralists- Kamatusa & somali & related.
Pundit we all can't wait to see Jubilee elections. If they can't hold a mere PG. Recently they staged a comedy in Kibra. Forget ODM men in black - that would be real sarakasi.
The only "elections" Jubilee has ever held is mlolongo that caused current mayhem and torpedoed MOU. Ruto other party handiwork are NDP merger that broke Kanu in 02 after he attempt to shortchange Raila. Kanu post-Moi lasted few years. ODM post-07 Ruto was sidelined by Luos in 08 afer only 1 year with his hubris and impossible demands. UDM and ole Kamwaro comedy :). URP expired in 2 years. Now Jubilee after Sep 2016 - to March 2018. Nothing resembling a party since.
ODM - still biggest real party. Non coalition. Only Jumwa is a rebel as entire lineup - Joho, Oparanya, Sifuna - sing Raila. Ruto bicker with his Party Leader, Sec Gen, Vice Chair, CS's, cops, county commissioners, name it. Ruto need to run a steady ship for a few years. Not URP or UDM small canoe that still capsize. Before he can attempt to run the country.
Grapevine indicate Ruto has registered United Green Movement, Tanga Tanga Party, etc - as back up. Tough luck.
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There needs to be Jubilee before it can be the biggest party. It a party in name only as we can all see in endless bickering, leaked tapes, Kibra, BBI, war on graft, etc. Jubilee is NARC that had huge numbers that mean nothing. Their last NEC was April 2018 when they wanted to sack Murkomen as Majority Leader. Now it not even clear who are the officials. For example who is the Jubilee chairman? Vice chairman? :)
Non-Gema get serious. Which region outside Kalenjin and maybe Turkana, Samburu does Ruto control? Kamba, Pwani, Gusii, Luhya, Maa? Even NFD is 50-50. He badly needs Mt Kenya to hold.
Ruto best chances remain Uhurutopia MOU - which Raila trojan has badly complicated.
Jubilee party primaries will be yet another opportunity like BBI 1.0 for Uhuru to show his cards. Be very attentive during that period. But of course like BBI 1.0 you'll find a way to spin it away.
If Uhuru allows for free and fair Jubilee nomination - then knows he is still a card carrying member.
Jubilee is biggest party as we speak.
ODM is party with 60Mps - about 35 of them being Luos - and 15 from coast - and that is about it. You take Mr Odinga too seriously - he is not the leader of Non-GEMA - Ruto is undisputed there now. Start with 14 counties of RV, 3 of NEP, 2 of Eastern - without even factoring the rest of the country - Ruto already start with 20 counties - from pastoralists- Kamatusa & somali & related.
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Like most odmers Robina is stuck on old glorious odm days unaware that Ruto is running alone.Raila is has been..that as why while 60% of decided Kenya want Ruto as Pork only 20% think Raila still has it.That is why ODM has zero mp from Gusii and Bukusu except in Nairobi.ODM has probably zero mp from Matusa plus Somalia.
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Gusii - govenors, senators, women rep. All ODM. Jubilee? Uhuru and Matiang'i have the rest. Ruto has zero. He roped in Joash Maang'i to swing Kibra Gusii but wapi.
Bukusu - of course you can cherrypick cause Aladwas and Wanyonyis are not Luhya enough. 3 of 4 Luhya governors are ODM. Ruto has a few pawns and Khalwale rejects. Raila got 90% of the votes.
Jubilee ni NARC, donge? Kibaki had 68% votes and MPs - a few months later he needed Nyachae and Karumes to pass bills. Ruto "controls" Jubilee but cannot replace Murathe or Tuju despite their open insults. Mariga had to be picked in boardroom then all hell broke loose. Senior members backed opposing candidate. Biggest party kweli :)
Like most odmers Robina is stuck on old glorious odm days unaware that Ruto is running alone.Raila is has been..that as why while 60% of decided Kenya want Ruto as Pork only 20% think Raila still has it.That is why ODM has zero mp from Gusii and Bukusu except in Nairobi.ODM has probably zero mp from Matusa plus Somalia.
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Jubilee elections promise to be a 3D blockbuster
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001353461/the-wars-in-uhuru-and-raila-political-parties
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Uhuru allies ask for BBI 2.0 with powerful PM :)
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-17-uhuru-allies-push-for-powerful-prime-minister/
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Uhuru allies ask for BBI 2.0 with powerful PM :)
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-17-uhuru-allies-push-for-powerful-prime-minister/
I see you are on top of things 8)
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RV Pundit I asked for your real opposition to the parliamentary system run in most of the developed world. Cohesive, fair, equitable, open, accountable. Any proper reason besides blind tribal loyalty to William Ruto? As you can we are ready to give greedy Uhuru a pass to reform the system for posterity.
But you call me names and besmirch my faculties.
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These are losers who think they can ride on Uhuru coattails. Sonko got the message recently.
I see you are on top of things 8)
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I don't have any problem with either parliamentary or presidential system of national gov. Neither will be accountable. Neither will unite kenya. MY LONG TERM PHILOSOPHY when it come to KENYA has always BEEN FEDERALISM aka Majimbo. That has been my consistent view for last 20yrs online. I am glad we now have devolution. Now we need to go step forward and embrace federalism. That basically mean autonomous 47 counties leaving national federal gov as thin as the one in the US. Those autonomous will kick out tribalism (within say Bomet county - you cannot play ethnic card), corruption (we know you're stealing from us - not distant Nairobi) and will bring gov really closer to people and responsive.
Let us a real talk about transitioning (responsibly) from devolution to federalism. Those federals units should be as TRIBAL as possible.Let us also have a real talk about fixing Kurias in Migoris, fixing Sabaots Bungoma, lets deal with Iteso with Luhyas.
Once we embrace the reality of our tribal NATIONS - we will be somewhere.
46 tribal nations + federal Nairobi + state in Nairobi. That is the solution. Hii ingine panganga about parliamentary system is TOTAL BOLLOX. Trusting MPIGS to govern or keep gov in check is the worse form of brain hemorrhage. Even the stupidiest of Wajinga Kenyan will NOT NOT NOT accepts MPIGS to elect their PORK or PM :) :) Hiyo kama ni BBI 2.0 sahau.
We cannot copy systems of one tribe nations like Europe. We have to copy systems of diverse countries like US. The current constitution has good template...just go fully US like.
Allows counties to grow into states to control more functions, collect taxes and run their affairs while having a state gov strong enough to protect all of us against internal and external aggression.
Most counties are now approaching 1M people - enough to make viable states.
RV Pundit I asked for your real opposition to the parliamentary system run in most of the developed world. Cohesive, fair, equitable, open, accountable. Any proper reason besides blind tribal loyalty to William Ruto? As you can we are ready to give greedy Uhuru a pass to reform the system for posterity.
But you call me names and besmirch my faculties.
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You are wrong on the US analogy :
1. Kenyan tiny counties are unviable unlike big rich US states. A US state governor is same as an African president
2. The US is not diverse but overwhelmingly monocultural English- speaking Caucassians. Few Latinos and Cherokees
3. The US did not start as a single country then break up into states. It was the reverse of states uniting
4. CoE went US template due to Naivasha PNU/ODM feuds not any objective analysis. Arguably the Bomas Draft was broadly debated and proposed parliamentary
5. The US has an electoral college ...
You differ with the US on too many points. Federal is good but counties need some years to develop GoK competencies. Doable.
I don't know how you arrive at the inability of MPs to oversight GoK. Jomo scrapped federal and parliamentary to escape accountability so he could loot and practise cronyism. As you can see devolution is working but for some reason you don't want to equally give parliamentary a chance. Increasing their salaries or mileage is addressable - tighten a few screws. PORK and his machinery remain wholly unaccoutable despite all commissions, vettings and whatnot. Kibicho runaway impunity should teach you something. The Executive needs to be grilled on his policies, choices and actions on an ongoing basis in a place full of impunity like Kenya. That's just plain sense - not brain haemorrhage :). Strip the Baba wa Taifa ceremonial nonsense, the conflict of assenting to laws that Uhuru abuse brazenly, etc. State vs GoK - I think that remains the key plank of presidential vs parliamentary. Couldn't come any sooner in Kenya.
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It simple. You want PORK to be in charge of state affairs and PM to be in charge of gov affairs. I am telling you in a country divided like kenya - let keep PORK to be in charge of state affairs (ceremonial) - and have gov affairs devolved - where REAL ACCOUNTABILITY can happen. All we need is to increasingly devolve more and more functions.
State duties (ceremonial) plus being Nairobi governor is enough for future PORK. Nairobi revenues plus few federal taxes should be enough to run the army, the foreign affairs and the few federal agencies.
Each of our counties are growing. Some are now 2M people plus. That is size of well governed small countries like Namibia, Botswana etc. Majority are nearly 1M - and our population is growing - soon each will be about 2-3m which is sufficient for governor to run gov affairs with good budget.
Those 2m people will generate enough taxes to run their affairs.
England will never be a model for Kenya.
Kenya is tribally divided nation - everything else is secondary. It's good that counties follow that tribal tapestry - now we need to slowly build capacity for counties - and they need to demonstrate maturity - enough to be given teachers & police (30% of the budget) - and that is pretty much about it.
You are wrong on the US analogy :
1. Kenyan tiny counties are unviable unlike big rich US states. A US state governor is same as an African president
2. The US is not diverse but overwhelmingly monocultural English- speaking Caucassians. Few Latinos and Cherokees
3. The US did not start as a single country then break up into states. It was the reverse of states uniting
4. CoE went US template due to Naivasha PNU/ODM feuds not any objective analysis. Arguably the Bomas Draft was broadly debated and proposed parliamentary
5. The US has an electoral college ...
You differ with the US on too many points. Federal is good but counties need some years to develop GoK competencies. Doable.
I don't know how you arrive at the inability of MPs to oversight GoK. Jomo scrapped federal and parliamentary to escape accountability so he could loot and practise cronyism. As you can see devolution is working but for some reason you don't want to equally give parliamentary a chance. Increasing their salaries or mileage is addressable - tighten a few screws. PORK and his machinery remain wholly unaccoutable despite all commissions, vettings and whatnot. Kibicho runaway impunity should teach you something. The CEO needs to be grilled on his policies, choices and actions on an ongoing basis in a place full of impunity like Kenya. That's just plain sense - not brain haemorrhage :). Strip the Baba wa Taifa ceremonial nonsense, the conflict of assenting to laws that Uhuru abuse brazenly, etc. State vs GoK - I think that remains the key plank of presidential vs parliamentary. Couldn't come any sooner in Kenya.
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So how do you propose the % revenue split in the lite state model? The US or Germany you mention are still 60% federal resources. There are functions that must be centralized to sustain nationhood and synergy. Laws, courts, defence, fiscal policy, foreign policy, education, name it. These are big and they are the core of the executive government. There is no pure ceremonial federal state in the US or anywhere. It is the federal government - complete with an overbearing machinery of FBIs, etc.
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Easy. You give teachers (education) and police (internal security) to counties - and that take off 30% of our current budget. You add to existing 30% - that counties have and they will have 60%.
And National Gov will remain with 40% - enough to build highways, ports, railways and such big ticket projects - and also enough to run the army, the foreign affairs, immigrations and other policy & intra-county functions.
BBI 1.0 is of course a joke because it propose to add more monies to counties without commensurate functions. Uhuru is playing dumb.
There is no additional money - it just moving functions - say counties start paying teachers through a devolved TSC - instead of a national TSC.
So how do you propose the % revenue split in the lite state model? The US or Germany you mention are still 60% federal resources. There are functions that must be centralized to sustain nationhood and synergy. Laws, courts, defence, fiscal policy, foreign policy, education, name it. These are big and they are the core of the executive government. There is
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That's laughable "federalism" if you just mean transfer of payrolls for teachers or cops. Federalism really mean power to run the show - to hire, command, fire. Set policies, run the show with full responsibility for security or academic performance. Do you retain NPSC/IG or just KDF in Nairobi? Cops report to governor? What happens when Sonko police defy EACC? What if Mvurya introduce compulsory madrassa or ban CRE? If Mandago evict Kikuyu? If Joho ban English? It has very deep implications but still doable. In fractitious Kenya step very carefully. Illinois/Chicago is example of gang-ridden city where POTUS is powerless. Clinton, Obama, Trump cite it many times of cartels overwhelming police.
Moving the bulk "government" to county - and leave bareborn federal state. Sio mchezo. Give us real example of where it has been done. Then we can agree why no accountability is needed in Nairobi.
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We can devolve say education (teachers (hiring, firing, salaries) + infrastructure) without education policy (quality, curriculum). The same for police - we will have federal police (DCI - FBI) - and the village police (APs armed with G3s) - and have the big guns (KDF) plus paramilatary police (GSU/AntiStock/AntiTerror/Flying Squad) ready to arrest any County Police and their governor. Don't exaggerate. The same for judiciary - there will be state judiciary official with limited powers - and federal judges with big guns.
That's laughable "devolution" if you just mean transfer of payrolls for teachers or cops. Devolution really mean power to run the show - to hire, command, fire. Set policies, run the show with full responsibility for security or academic performance. Do you retain IG or just KDF in Nairobi? Cops report to governor? What happens when Sonko police defy EACC? What if Mvurya introduce compulsory madrassa or ban CRE? If Mandago evict Kikuyu? If Joho ban English? It has very deep implications but still doable. In fractitious Kenya step very carefully. Illinois/Chicago is example of gang-ridden city where POTUS is powerless. Clinton, Obama, Trump cite it many times of cartels overwhelming police.
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I am not exaggerating. These are not hypotheticals they happen in the US. More than once Congress has approved forceful overthrow of state government. New Mexico and Arizona have tussled with DC over preference of Spanish to English. State police report to the state AG. City police captains answer to the mayor. There is frequent repeal of illegal state laws by SCOTUS.
My point is, despite all these elaborate functional arrangements, only 40% of US revenues/taxes go to the states. The 60% retained by federal tells you where real government resides. Germany, UK, Canada, South Africa, India - no country has devolved its governance enough to discount the need for central accountability.
Kenya needs a long transition to get to 60-40. Security, law enforcement, big card projects are in fact the items that demand accountability. You cannot federate away accountability or sound governance. Don't conflate the two.
We can devolve say education (teachers (hiring, firing, salaries) + infrastructure) without education policy (quality, curriculum). The same for police - we will have federal police (DCI - FBI) - and the village police (APs armed with G3s) - and have the big guns (KDF) plus paramilatary police (GSU/AntiStock/AntiTerror/Flying Squad) ready to arrest any County Police and their governor. Don't exaggerate. The same for judiciary - there will be state judiciary official with limited powers - and federal judges with big guns.
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I am okay with long transition..I don't think there is silver bullet out of underdevelopment...we need to be honest and discuss issues soberly..for example what really can we devolve more now when counties are struggling with health...maybe school infrastructure?But empty promise like 40% devolved funds without extra functions are waste if time
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And it doesn't matter if states in us came together or tribal states of Kenya were forced to be a country...same issues..Gusii nation has a legitimate claim to their land like kipsigis nation.
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You lost me where devolution or federalism substitutes accountability. It doesn't. You will never federate everything and the key functions - the almighty machinery and big $$ - will remain central. The reality of long transition vindicates why you can't relegate accountability.
Now accoubtability is not exclusively about development but that's a big plank yes. Human rights, justice, equity, cohesion, stability - lots of non- economic bread & butter.
On development, a good start to that honest debate is open, accountable government. The imperial presidency would never allow that to happen. In the US we have Trump firing ambassadors and ordering staff to defy Congressional subpoenas. To cover up brazen abuse of power. In London you have PMs being grilled out of office over Brexit. Night and day.
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Oduor Omng'wen and the "experts" are summarizing the summary - into parliamentary - before handing back to the wazee.
Uhuru appoints 30 experts to refine BBI report
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-19-uhuru-appoints-30-experts-as-senators-table-fresh-bbi-demands/
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30 is even better. They will agree on consensus in 2022 - in time for Uhuru to throw BBI into the dustbin as he retires.
Oduor Omng'wen and the "experts" are summarizing the summary - into parliamentary - before handing back to the wazee.
Uhuru appoints 30 experts to refine BBI report
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-19-uhuru-appoints-30-experts-as-senators-table-fresh-bbi-demands/
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These frequent Murconman rants should tell you something
Murkomen goes on BBI rant during funeral, Raila ignores him
https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/nyanza/2019-12-20-murkomen-goes-on-bbi-rant-during-funeral-raila-ignores-him/
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BBI was formed to fix me, says Ruto
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-21-bbi-was-formed-to-fix-me-says-ruto/
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BBI was formed to fix me, says Ruto
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-21-bbi-was-formed-to-fix-me-says-ruto/
From said article,
"The DP further pointed out that he was close to running alongside Raila and Uhuru in 2013 but made a tactical retreat after realising he would emerge third. “He said that in 2022, only ODM leader Raila Odinga or Uhuru could beat him and not Mudavadi or Wiper leader Kalonzo Musyoka,” another delegate said."
From these delegates' reports, it seems Ruto is not as convinced as our Pundit that he has taken over Raila's old constituency (Non-Gema).
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BBI was formed to fix me, says Ruto
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-21-bbi-was-formed-to-fix-me-says-ruto/
From said article,
"The DP further pointed out that he was close to running alongside Raila and Uhuru in 2013 but made a tactical retreat after realising he would emerge third. “He said that in 2022, only ODM leader Raila Odinga or Uhuru could beat him and not Mudavadi or Wiper leader Kalonzo Musyoka,” another delegate said."
From these delegates' reports, it seems Ruto is not as convinced as our Pundit that he has taken over Raila's old constituency (Non-Gema).
:D :D Our "dispassionate" Pundit is Dr Spin. Ruto is so desperate because Raila by default locks him out of non-Gema, and has now booby-trapped Mt Kenya by playing the Uhuru for PM Joker. If only Ruto could tame his greed for posterity...
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If Raila-Uhuru teamed up vs Ruto-Kiunjuri or Ruto-Whoever it would be 70-30 as in 2010 or 2002.
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Even after loosing BBI 1.0 you didn't miss a beat to spin more long tales. Tell you what the constitution at this stage is nearly impossible to ammend.
If Raila-Uhuru teamed up vs Ruto-Kiunjuri or Ruto-Whoever it would be 70-30 as in 2010 or 2002.
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At least you concede it just BBI v 1.0 :) - v2 is coming. Kenyans are acclimatized to PM it only a debate of how powerful and other parliamentary details.
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Dream on. You don't waste 2yrs to produce a fake report :) How will you suddenly come up with new contradictory report. Hope spring eternal.
At least you concede it just BBI v 1.0 :) - v2 is coming. Kenyans are acclimatized to PM it only a debate of how powerful and other parliamentary details.
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Pundit even your new hero Ndii doesn't agree with you. He thinks Ruto will see State House from Viusasa. Nor Manyora, Ngunyi - your fellow mythologist :D - name it. Noone sees your boy getting a pass.
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https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Why-ODM-wants-structure-akin-to-Grand-Coalition/3126390-5394600-sj1bk6/index.html ODM climbs down from parliamentary system to the quarrellsome NARA
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Pundit even your new hero Ndii doesn't agree with you. He thinks Ruto will see State House from Viusasa. Nor Manyora, Ngunyi - your fellow mythologist :D - name it. Noone sees your boy getting a pass.
Their punditry is slightly better than yours.. obviously they cannot match my political punditry.They are just blowing hot n cold because their hero Raila is also confused.Ruto is running alone
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I am ready for parliamentary system - Ruto
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-23-ruto-on-bbi-kenyas-leadership-shouldnt-be-decided-in-boardrooms/
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I am ready for parliamentary system - Ruto
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-23-ruto-on-bbi-kenyas-leadership-shouldnt-be-decided-in-boardrooms/
Read btw the lines for crying out loud
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I am ready for parliamentary system - Ruto
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-23-ruto-on-bbi-kenyas-leadership-shouldnt-be-decided-in-boardrooms/
Read btw the lines for crying out loud
I read capitulation. The tyre will meet the road at Uhuru for Exec PM. Will Ruto fly in Mt Kenya as old Raila run circles around him elsewhere?
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You believe in fairy tales. Uhuru is going home. BBI ilikwisha hivyo. In fact you're the only still clinging to this Uhuru for exec PM - the Jezebel and crew - have new bandwagon around the hopeless combination Matiangi, Mutua,Kalonzo,Waiguru & handshake team.
I read capitulation. The tyre will meet the road at Uhuru for Exec PM. Will Ruto fly in Mt Kenya as old Raila run circles around him elsewhere?
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Pundit you are the only one stuck in Uhurutopia. Your boy is scared of non-existent BBI? His groupie has a new slogan
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Pundit could you attempt a properer spin on this one - just Delilah handiwork? :o I doubt the vain Aukot can pass up CoE 2 starring cast.
Aukot to join BBI team
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001354487/aukot-ideas-to-be-in-bbi-despite-fall-of-punguza-mzigo
You believe in fairy tales. Uhuru is going home. BBI ilikwisha hivyo. In fact you're the only still clinging to this Uhuru for exec PM - the Jezebel and crew - have new bandwagon around the hopeless combination Matiangi, Mutua,Kalonzo,Waiguru & handshake team.
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Pundit and your long tales. You hardly stray from the script - dark forces, deep state, DPP, DCI, Kibicho, Jezebel. At least the La Mada ploy was abit creative in explaining away the incredible. Any update on Ole Itumbi case? they found the gadgets he used to forge the Kobia letter. :)
The trouble with spin - as in most fakeries - is that it sooner than later runs headfast into reality. Kibra comedy for instance was unspinnable - after the phony unity photo op at SH. Now BBI 2 and the Jubilee elections... not sure how mlolongo 2.0 would work out with a hostile machinery :D
Where are the polls Ruto is leading at 60? Still waiting for the link. Even spin requires intelligence.
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Dear RV Pundit,
Here's a straw to hang onto 2020. Seeing I ran circles around your theories - vitendawili - throughout the year.
Welcome to 'progressive and focused' Jubilee, Ruto tells Kalonzo
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-12-27-welcome-to-progressive-and-focused-jubilee-ruto-tells-kalonzo/
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BBI ilikwisha kitambo. Raila cried for a second bite at it and Uhuru is going to entertain him knowing any constitutional change this late will be impossible. By the time you are finishing with BBI2.0 - Ruto will be already in Statehouse.
Another round of public participation - then another report preparation or bill formulation - then it goes to parliament or referendum ( a long winding process) - this is just Uhuru playing Raila the dumb fool for what he is.
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In short the Ruto landslide poll was spin. Fiction.
Well, BBI 2.0 and Jubilee elections are the main events in 2020. Both are lethal items against Ruto gameplan. Uhuru is a Raila asset not playing him. He start by enabling Raila run circles around Ruto in non-Gema. As can be seen in Luhya and Kamba. Then he mess Ruto in Mt Kenya and deny him any focus outside the desperation. Your boy is in a very bad place. I am not sure who is more to responsible? - Uhuru treachery, Ruto harebrain, or Raila witchcraft. But the ball is being played firmly in Ruto half of the pitch. Iko chida.
The commentators are saying: Wiliam Ruto is being roundly outplayed by Raila Odinga. You can Google it.
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And yet you can't Google opinion poll.Youre just a political neophyte innovating on the go. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-star.co.ke/amp/news/2019-12-06-66-of-kenyans-unsure-uhuru-will-back-ruto-in-2022-poll/
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And yet you can't Google opinion poll.Youre just a political neophyte innovating on the go. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-star.co.ke/amp/news/2019-12-06-66-of-kenyans-unsure-uhuru-will-back-ruto-in-2022-poll/
Well Ruto 40% Raila 16% ... Usemi Survey by "Kantar Limited"? Tim Wolf now works for these guys? Ever heard of them? What other credible poll have they done? That pyrrhic lead.
Anyway I see it this way: if things stay as they are - pure presidential - Ruto win is likely. But if BBI materializes as is shaping up, Raila "wins" as ceremonial president with Uhuru as Exec PM. Majority want parliamentary in that same dodgy survey.
"Better educated people tend to be more in favour of potential constitutional changes", the poll report says.
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Can't wait to watch this new release of World War Z in lovely spring... foreplay to summer
Uhuru, Ruto allies clash over Jubilee elections
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https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Uhuru--Ruto-allies-clash-over-Jubilee-Party-elections/3126390-5401524-ievgmjz/index.html
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Kantar is reputable.Jubilee party election like BBI will be another Moment of Truth for UhuRuto.As for those dreaming of BBI 2.0 hiyo ni kicheko biggest.
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I do not know about #2 but I agree with #4 because its the one attribute that the historians are going to credit for his downfall. Too much ambition clouds judgment and in this political jungle, it only takes one bad move. He took that move when he threatened Ouru in his own backyard. Raila has made mistakes but they are not fatal and that is why he is still hanging around. I think Ruto's raw untamed ambition for the presidency was too intense and it alarmed very powerful opponents when he stole too much money. Even thieves are shaking their heads and offering negative moral judgments on the obscene amount of money he stole from the poor people. Ruto has always risen by holding onto somebody's coat tails be it Moi, Raila or Ouru. This is the only time he is the Mboss and he is stumbling badly. The only thing propping him up momentarily is the gazillions of money he stole but even that will not last too long. The only issue remaining with Ruto is whether he live to fight again.
Why would there be Soddom and Gomorrah. Ruto has looted enough to finance his ambition - and I think because he is cerebral - he will want to leave a legacy. The way Meles or Kagame killed to get power - is the way Ruto looted to get the power. In kenya without money - you're nothing. In Rwanda or Uganda or many africa countries - without guns and reputation for great violence - you're nothing.
Why do I think Ruto will succeed.
1) He is disciplined and knows how to get stuff done.He has the energy required to get stuff done.This is Uhuru major character flaw.
2) He is brilliant - 1st class degree - Msc & PHD while facing ICC - he rolls out facts & grasp ideas very quickly. This was Moi major handicap.
3) He is a political superstar - so he will handle the politics and stabilize the country. This was Kibaki major handicap.
4) He is very ambitious - nothing ever satisfy Ruto - and want to leave a great legacy. I doubt any of previous PORK have as half Ruto burning ambition to be PORK.
His only major flaw - he will reward himself with 10% and well his other personal failing - promiscuity - will only affect Rachel :)
MOON Ki the cynic is back. At least we agree on what kind of system we would have under Ruto. Soddom and Gomorrah.
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Pundit tell your boy to launch that MAD horizon he has been promising
Uhuru will be Exec PM after 2022 poll, says Murathe
MONDAY DECEMBER 30 2019
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Former Jubilee Vice-Chairman David Murathe attends Jamhuri Day celebrations at Nyayo National Stadium on December 12, 2019. PHOTO | NATION MEDIA GROUP
President Uhuru Kenyatta will remain in power, but as Executive Prime Minister, after the expiry of his presidential term in 2022, former Jubilee Party vice-chairman David Murathe told the Nation on Sunday, opening a controversial front on the Uhuru succession debate that will raise political temperatures in the coming days.
Mr Murathe said that once the new political dispensation envisaged in the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) report comes into force, Mr Kenyatta will have the right to vie for any post since he will remain the de facto leader of Jubilee Party, and could even claim the proposed post of Prime Minister.
“The only thing the President can’t do is to run for Presidency but, under the new political dispensation envisaged by the BBI team, we anticipate new political formations that will be all-encompassing and inclusive,” said Mr Murathe.
“Nothing stops the President, as the leader of Jubilee, to head the government as the Executive Prime Minister as long as the party remains the largest in Kenya.”
His comments, coming just a day after Jubilee Party Secretary-General Raphael Tuju said corrupt members of the party will not be allowed to vie for leadership positions in the New Year, could be interpreted to mean that President Kenyatta intends to retain control of the party and oversee its transition beyond his presidential term.
That, also, will be viewed by politicians allied to Deputy President William Ruto as a blow to his presidential ambitions.
Mr Murathe was categorical about that, saying “sorry” to the Tangatanga brigade that has been clamouring for Jubilee Party elections and cautioning them that the party leader’s post will be reserved for Mr Kenyatta.
It is not clear yet as to whether Mr Ruto wants to assume leadership of Jubilee next year, even though his lieutenants have given that indication in informal gatherings and addresses across the country.
Murathe's interview with the Nation came just a month after the President told Mt Kenya leaders at Sagana State Lodge that he would not mind if a constitutional amendment was done and he became the Prime Minister.
“I do not know the contents of the BBI report yet,” President Kenyatta said in Sagana.
“I hear people claiming I want to become the Prime Minister of Kenya. I wouldn’t mind being in leadership in such a post, although we should deal with the current situation first.”
This is not the first time leaders allied to the President are speaking about the possibility of him remaining in power after the expiry of his term.
Central Organisation of Trade Unions (Cotu) Secretary-General Francis Atwoli was the first to test the waters when he said President Kenyatta will be the next Prime Minister after his term ends in 2022. He was echoed by Nominated MP Maina Kamanda.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Uhuru-will-remain-in-power-after-2022-poll/3126390-5401574-13kw48wz/index.html
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Ruto's rookie mlolongo blunder confirms his hare-brained nature. Doesn't think beyond his nose. We see this in the naive borrow-&-build he championed starting with the SGR where they clumsily copied Kibaki. In his mind the economy should be roaring despite the chasmic debt-vs-return gap. Bloke can't figure why people are crying they are broke despite the "massive growth". So his new strategy is to blame Uhuru which will get him nowhere in Mt Kenya when the opponent is Uhuru. Outside Kikuyu and Kalenjin it is a bad-breath to position himself as a solution to ongoing economic problems.
By fronting Uhuru as PM Raila has checkmated Ruto.
Pundit of course has no issue with the wanton looting. He told us here how the man hits the gym at 4am then office at 5am to surgically, "meticulously" slice 10% from all GoK budgetlines. This simply means he is a very hardworking go-getter.
I do not know about #2 but I agree with #4 because its the one attribute that the historians are going to credit for his downfall. Too much ambition clouds judgment and in this political jungle, it only takes one bad move. He took that move when he threatened Ouru in his own backyard. Raila has made mistakes but they are not fatal and that is why he is still hanging around. I think Ruto's raw untamed ambition for the presidency was too intense and it alarmed very powerful opponents when he stole too much money. Even thieves are shaking their heads and offering negative moral judgments on the obscene amount of money he stole from the poor people. Ruto has always risen by holding onto somebody's coat tails be it Moi, Raila or Ouru. This is the only time he is the Mboss and he is stumbling badly. The only thing propping him up momentarily is the gazillions of money he stole but even that will not last too long. The only issue remaining with Ruto is whether he live to fight again.
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Murathe the jobless guy who was forced to resign from Jubilee? or we are talking another Murathe.
Pundit tell your boy to launch that MAD horizon he has been promising
Uhuru will be Exec PM after 2022 poll, says Murathe
MONDAY DECEMBER 30 2019
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Former Jubilee Vice-Chairman David Murathe attends Jamhuri Day celebrations at Nyayo National Stadium on December 12, 2019. PHOTO | NATION MEDIA GROUP
President Uhuru Kenyatta will remain in power, but as Executive Prime Minister, after the expiry of his presidential term in 2022, former Jubilee Party vice-chairman David Murathe told the Nation on Sunday, opening a controversial front on the Uhuru succession debate that will raise political temperatures in the coming days.
Mr Murathe said that once the new political dispensation envisaged in the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) report comes into force, Mr Kenyatta will have the right to vie for any post since he will remain the de facto leader of Jubilee Party, and could even claim the proposed post of Prime Minister.
“The only thing the President can’t do is to run for Presidency but, under the new political dispensation envisaged by the BBI team, we anticipate new political formations that will be all-encompassing and inclusive,” said Mr Murathe.
“Nothing stops the President, as the leader of Jubilee, to head the government as the Executive Prime Minister as long as the party remains the largest in Kenya.”
His comments, coming just a day after Jubilee Party Secretary-General Raphael Tuju said corrupt members of the party will not be allowed to vie for leadership positions in the New Year, could be interpreted to mean that President Kenyatta intends to retain control of the party and oversee its transition beyond his presidential term.
That, also, will be viewed by politicians allied to Deputy President William Ruto as a blow to his presidential ambitions.
Mr Murathe was categorical about that, saying “sorry” to the Tangatanga brigade that has been clamouring for Jubilee Party elections and cautioning them that the party leader’s post will be reserved for Mr Kenyatta.
It is not clear yet as to whether Mr Ruto wants to assume leadership of Jubilee next year, even though his lieutenants have given that indication in informal gatherings and addresses across the country.
Murathe's interview with the Nation came just a month after the President told Mt Kenya leaders at Sagana State Lodge that he would not mind if a constitutional amendment was done and he became the Prime Minister.
“I do not know the contents of the BBI report yet,” President Kenyatta said in Sagana.
“I hear people claiming I want to become the Prime Minister of Kenya. I wouldn’t mind being in leadership in such a post, although we should deal with the current situation first.”
This is not the first time leaders allied to the President are speaking about the possibility of him remaining in power after the expiry of his term.
Central Organisation of Trade Unions (Cotu) Secretary-General Francis Atwoli was the first to test the waters when he said President Kenyatta will be the next Prime Minister after his term ends in 2022. He was echoed by Nominated MP Maina Kamanda.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Uhuru-will-remain-in-power-after-2022-poll/3126390-5401574-13kw48wz/index.html
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Jubilee 1.0 was great success story delivered by UhuRuto(mostly the later). It won election in 2017 because they delivered - on basic infrastructure, economy and etc. Jubilee 2.0 is Uhuru solo effort - his legacy is on the rope now. Uhuru popularity has nose-dived because majority think he is doing a bad job running the economy and the country politics. Ruto in the meantime is so popular he is basically running alone in 2022 - the rest would have to merge and coalesce to have some chance. That is beauty of democracy. The minority like Robina have their say - and majority have their way. Remember all opinion polls done post 2017 shows Ruto in unassailable lead. Remember Ruto runs both house of parliament. Remember Ruto is very popular on the ground.
Ruto's rookie mlolongo blunder confirms his hare-brained nature. Doesn't think beyond his nose. We see this in the naive borrow-&-build he championed starting with the SGR where they clumsily copied Kibaki. In his mind the economy should be roaring despite the chasmic debt-vs-return gap. Bloke can't figure why people are crying they are broke despite the "massive growth". So his new strategy is to blame Uhuru which will get him nowhere in Mt Kenya when the opponent is Uhuru. Outside Kikuyu and Kalenjin it is a bad-breath to position himself as a solution to ongoing economic problems.
By fronting Uhuru as PM Raila has checkmated Ruto.
Pundit of course has no issue with the wanton looting. He told us here how the man hits the gym at 4am then office at 5am to surgically, "meticulously" slice 10% from all GoK budgetlines. This simply means he is a very hardworking go-getter.
I do not know about #2 but I agree with #4 because its the one attribute that the historians are going to credit for his downfall. Too much ambition clouds judgment and in this political jungle, it only takes one bad move. He took that move when he threatened Ouru in his own backyard. Raila has made mistakes but they are not fatal and that is why he is still hanging around. I think Ruto's raw untamed ambition for the presidency was too intense and it alarmed very powerful opponents when he stole too much money. Even thieves are shaking their heads and offering negative moral judgments on the obscene amount of money he stole from the poor people. Ruto has always risen by holding onto somebody's coat tails be it Moi, Raila or Ouru. This is the only time he is the Mboss and he is stumbling badly. The only thing propping him up momentarily is the gazillions of money he stole but even that will not last too long. The only issue remaining with Ruto is whether he live to fight again.
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Murathe is Uhuru parrot - Jomo Gecaga text him what to say next. Of course he is not jobless - he was redeployed to fight Ruto. In party register he is still JP vice chairman. He work from Ichaweri. Why would he rant "Uhuru will be PM" if not to signal the owner's intent?
Murathe the jobless guy who was forced to resign from Jubilee? or we are talking another Murathe.
Pundit tell your boy to launch that MAD horizon he has been promising
Uhuru will be Exec PM after 2022 poll, says Murathe
MONDAY DECEMBER 30 2019
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Former Jubilee Vice-Chairman David Murathe attends Jamhuri Day celebrations at Nyayo National Stadium on December 12, 2019. PHOTO | NATION MEDIA GROUP
President Uhuru Kenyatta will remain in power, but as Executive Prime Minister, after the expiry of his presidential term in 2022, former Jubilee Party vice-chairman David Murathe told the Nation on Sunday, opening a controversial front on the Uhuru succession debate that will raise political temperatures in the coming days.
Mr Murathe said that once the new political dispensation envisaged in the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) report comes into force, Mr Kenyatta will have the right to vie for any post since he will remain the de facto leader of Jubilee Party, and could even claim the proposed post of Prime Minister.
“The only thing the President can’t do is to run for Presidency but, under the new political dispensation envisaged by the BBI team, we anticipate new political formations that will be all-encompassing and inclusive,” said Mr Murathe.
“Nothing stops the President, as the leader of Jubilee, to head the government as the Executive Prime Minister as long as the party remains the largest in Kenya.”
His comments, coming just a day after Jubilee Party Secretary-General Raphael Tuju said corrupt members of the party will not be allowed to vie for leadership positions in the New Year, could be interpreted to mean that President Kenyatta intends to retain control of the party and oversee its transition beyond his presidential term.
That, also, will be viewed by politicians allied to Deputy President William Ruto as a blow to his presidential ambitions.
Mr Murathe was categorical about that, saying “sorry” to the Tangatanga brigade that has been clamouring for Jubilee Party elections and cautioning them that the party leader’s post will be reserved for Mr Kenyatta.
It is not clear yet as to whether Mr Ruto wants to assume leadership of Jubilee next year, even though his lieutenants have given that indication in informal gatherings and addresses across the country.
Murathe's interview with the Nation came just a month after the President told Mt Kenya leaders at Sagana State Lodge that he would not mind if a constitutional amendment was done and he became the Prime Minister.
“I do not know the contents of the BBI report yet,” President Kenyatta said in Sagana.
“I hear people claiming I want to become the Prime Minister of Kenya. I wouldn’t mind being in leadership in such a post, although we should deal with the current situation first.”
This is not the first time leaders allied to the President are speaking about the possibility of him remaining in power after the expiry of his term.
Central Organisation of Trade Unions (Cotu) Secretary-General Francis Atwoli was the first to test the waters when he said President Kenyatta will be the next Prime Minister after his term ends in 2022. He was echoed by Nominated MP Maina Kamanda.
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Jubilee 1.0 was "successful" because the chicken had not come home to roost. It was the spend time after taking huge loans. Now it pay time hence the cash crunch.
Ruto is popular for running ALONE - noone else has declared their intent except Mdvd and Cobra. He is "popular" mainly in RV and Mt Kenya - against Raila who has not declared. Of course we know head-to-head with Raila in non-Gema - the record of 2013 and 2017 is not good. Raila will wipw the floor with him like Kibra. In Mt Kenya - against Uhuru for PM - he is DOA.
Saying Ruto is leading Mdvd and Cobra at 40% - while we can see there will be no PORK to be won :) - is big joke. At least Raila 2010 was leading 48% against known competitors facing Hague.
Jubilee 1.0 was great success story delivered by UhuRuto(mostly the later). It won election in 2017 because they delivered - on basic infrastructure, economy and etc. Jubilee 2.0 is Uhuru solo effort - his legacy is on the rope now. Uhuru popularity has nose-dived because majority think he is doing a bad job running the economy and the country politics. Ruto in the meantime is so popular he is basically running alone in 2022 - the rest would have to merge and coalesce to have some chance. That is beauty of democracy. The minority like Robina have their say - and majority have their way. Remember all opinion polls done post 2017 shows Ruto in unassailable lead. Remember Ruto runs both house of parliament. Remember Ruto is very popular on the ground.
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Pundit I know you're a snoring drunk right now. It more realistic for you to beat the alcoholism than Ruto to win power. :)
The closest we have had of a direct Ruto vs Raila combat is 2010, 13, 17. 02 was abit indirect with Moi shadow. 07 they were an item.
Luo and Kalenjin are under lock and key. Non-GEMA is everyone outside Mt Kenya other than these two.
Your short history shows non-GEMA breaking big for Raila. So the big question is Mt Kenya. This is what makes the up-the-sleeve Uhuru-for-PM Joker a checkmate.
The Handshake is Trojan 2.0 not a "Jiu-jitsu move" by Uhuru. Not that they are mutually exclusive. It a win-win as greedy Jomo Jr morph from PORK-to-PM to reverse engineer the dad. Raila retire as president - his dad dream - with his cronies sharing slots under Uhuru. Raila return Kenya to parliamentary and remedy the Jaramogi failures.
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You want to teach the political Prof who thought you terms like non GEMA.Outside the big 5 we are talking 30% non GEMA votes..Raila only has an edge in Mijikenda otherwise Ruto sweep the floor with the rest... mostly pastoralist counties who makes the majority of non GEMA.Gusii vote is excited about Matiangi but will that last?.Ruto looks likely to overrun the Bukusu and parts of kakamega.In any case once Ruto has GEMA vote and so far I see no competition it's game shot.If Uhuru want executive pm...he will be forced to get it under Ruto...if he can beat Kiunjuri which is no mean feat now.I really pity those Uhuru orphans who think the man will continue forever so they can feed on the trough...Uhuru is the guy who resigned for MaDVD..he has zero fighting spirit to extend his term in Kenya..hapa sio Uganda.Talk of a political neophyte teaching his proffesors.. kicheko biggest
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Woi RV, that you think Ruto mlolongo coup is a big win shows how wrong you are. It a pyrrhic victory. A BLUNDER.
Moi was a sage to the Ruto quackery. Just check his picks for public service: Simeon Nyachae, Dr Josphat Karanja, Prof Philip Mbithi, Ambassador Fares Kuindwa, Dr Richard Leakey, Dr Sally Kosgei. Under Ruto you suddenly have David Korirs, Warios, Echesas litany of sleazebags.
I am not being mean to say Ruto is hare-brained. At least Uhuru don't act clever or suffer hubris. I wonder what is worse than wrongly believing you are smart. You see nothing has changed in Ruto bombastic vain manics. In Jubilee 1.0 Uhuru barely tolerated the bloke. Days after election he was issuing commands to cops and KDF as "Deputy C-in-C". Someone must have advised him to stop. He took a whirlwind tour of the world before Uhuru - AU, China, Japan, name it. During the Ruto-jet scandal. Every public appearance with Uhuru the charlatan would over-speak and outline the entire GoK agenda and badly outshine the boss. Poor Uhuru had to recite a written speech with nothing left to say.
Then came the demands of positions and 50-50. Uhuru and TNA had to bend over backwards to avoid a ODM-esque implosion when Ruto demanded Raila give Kalenjin MPs key ministries - Finance, Interior, Defence. Of course Raila under NARA could not afford it.
In Jubilee 1.0, Pundit wasted no time here with endless tantrums. Uhuru the gentleman became "screwball", mlevi, lazy and all kinds of personal and tribal epithets. Hoardes of Mt Kenya MPs had to accompany the drama queen to the ICC or else.
The only thing that has changed is not even the transparent insulting praises with backstabbings and night meetings against Uhuru. Only that Uhuru no longer needs the guy. Now he can see he has nothing to offer - he had none all along. I mean with his behavior you'd have to be retarded not to have seen the treachery and fallout coming.
What exactly is William Ruto owed, by who, why and for what?
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Almost funny. Let me just draw a scenario : assume there is pure parliamentary system. I know it a stretch for you to imagine this cause you are immune to reality. Exec PM who is the Leader of biggest party or coalition. Ceremonial president of some form.
Uhuru (PM) + Raila (PORK) vs Ruto (PM) + Kiunjuri (PORK)
How do you see that going? Rough MOAS? The Mdvd, Kalonzo, Matiang'i flowergirls you can distribute them around.. of course we know how few kahuna are in Ruto camp. You claim how Gema are insular while Ruto build strong alliances. Well right now he is woefully coming up short. If you look at Moi despite the propaganda and dark patches - he covered his intellectual ineptitude by visionary Kibaki, Dr Karanja, Prof Saitoti, etc. Ruto the genius has Sudi, Murconman or Nyoro the bumbling airhead as his thinktank. :)
Even with the status quo your vain Ruto would still have it rough cause Raila run circles around him in non-Gema. Another Kalenjin-Kikuyu ticket is DOA.
You want to teach the political Prof who thought you terms like non GEMA.Outside the big 5 we are talking 30% non GEMA votes..Raila only has an edge in Mijikenda otherwise Ruto sweep the floor with the rest... mostly pastoralist counties who makes the majority of non GEMA.Gusii vote is excited about Matiangi but will that last?.Ruto looks likely to overrun the Bukusu and parts of kakamega.In any case once Ruto has GEMA vote and so far I see no competition it's game shot.If Uhuru want executive pm...he will be forced to get it under Ruto...if he can beat Kiunjuri which is no mean feat now.I really pity those Uhuru orphans who think the man will continue forever so they can feed on the trough...Uhuru is the guy who resigned for MaDVD..he has zero fighting spirit to extend his term in Kenya..hapa sio Uganda.Talk of a political neophyte teaching his proffesors.. kicheko biggest
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Robina, Start with objectivity 101 before you froth on both sides of the mouth.Jubilee Cabinet Sec and head of public service has remained the venerable hardworking & non corrupt Joseph kinyua.Not boxer Echesa or Korir.Jubilee 1.0 was a success in many areas.Jubilee 2.0 is Uhuru baby and the verdict is out there.Jubilee 1.0 was coalition gov btw urp and tna with 50-50 sharing of gov positions as per the agreementJubilee 2.0 is one party with Uhuru as party leader and that is makes a whole lots of difference.Ruto took that risk because he wanted to couple tightly with mt Kenya...which was great foresight because imagine if we had tna and urp now...it would be easy job to seperate the two.The reason my Kenya are firmly in Ruto corner is because they trust in the Jubilee party the same away odm has stood this long and KANu before.Ruto is prepared to lose some % from 50% power now and win the presidency later.
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Merging parties in mega-party was ok - but mlolongo backstabbing was bad gamble. It cost him his biggest asset against Raila - Uhuru.