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Title: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 14, 2019, 01:29:31 PM
I guess he will either go BBI(Raila) or No BBI(Ruto)

He cannot keep hiding his cards forever.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 14, 2019, 01:35:20 PM
Uhuru cards are not hidden - Ruto incessant attacks tell us the inside story. Tanga Tanga crew are on overdrive painting Kibra rout as the Handshake oxymoron and BBI rubicon. A few Ichung'was will skip the Sagana meeting and erupt in a parallel protest. Kiraitus, Wa Irias and the ranks of Mt Kenya will be there.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 14, 2019, 01:41:14 PM
Well, let see how it goes tomorrow. If he goes BBI - definitely there will be a split and rebellion. If he goes Ruto - then mt kenya are already conditioned for Ruto 10.
Uhuru cards are not hidden - Ruto incessant attacks tell us the inside story. Tanga Tanga crew are on overdrive painting Kibra rout as the Handshake oxymoron and BBI rubicon. A few Ichung'was will skip the Sagana meeting and erupt in a parallel protest. Kiraitus, Wa Irias and the ranks of Mt Kenya will be there.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: gout on November 14, 2019, 03:00:40 PM
clueless screwball will be threatening to continue buying time
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 14, 2019, 03:09:03 PM
What rebellion? - only the Sirma, Magerer, Kosgey variety. To most Kenyans, Uhuru has been nothing but statesmanly. Every time he warned the Jubilee boat would keel - Ruto stumped about in tantrums and was more unquiet than ever. Uhuru bore the mischief with silence. This orchestra will no doubt culminate in the national interest for him to carry on as the epicenter of peace. True to form - Ruto and Raila will be at each others' jugular as soon as the BBI is revealed. They will tear the country asunder - Uhuru will hold the sail - the cheerfulness of pride in his countenance. William Ruto is caged.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 14, 2019, 03:16:31 PM
clueless screwball will be threatening to continue buying time

Appears to me you're disposed to bouts of excitement and seizures of panic. As KenyanPlato would say - if he knew any Latin :) - Nix panicus.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: gout on November 14, 2019, 03:22:40 PM
the screwball is an open book... expecting a strategy from greed and bad genes is just naive.... sucker can't keep cards
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 14, 2019, 03:26:55 PM
The empirical evidence doesn't agree. The man is president - yet the genius strategists - the go-getters :) - trip over themselves to grovel at his feet and sing his song.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: gout on November 14, 2019, 04:28:59 PM
Stupid people become anything - presidents included.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 14, 2019, 04:46:40 PM
Now that you're his biggest supporter - when he say Ruto tosha - will you throw a big tantrum or join us in supporting H.E Uhuru wa Kenyatta.
The empirical evidence doesn't agree. The man is president - yet the genius strategists - the go-getters :) - trip over themselves to grovel at his feet and sing his song.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 14, 2019, 08:33:12 PM
Apparently he will about 400 leaders including all MCAs,most and governor
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 14, 2019, 09:25:45 PM
Now that you're his biggest supporter - when he say Ruto tosha - will you throw a big tantrum or join us in supporting H.E Uhuru wa Kenyatta.

I am a Raila supporter - Uhuru utility is sending Ruto to the dust-bin or back-bench where he belongs. A brazen, unwashed moneybag does not deserve to be president or Exec PM. A while back - immediately post- Handshake - I opined that Ruto has overreached by attempting to snuggle Gema grassroot as Arap Mibei did in Kalenjin. That he will be battered until he is down to size - until he needs Gema.  Atwoli advised him to borrow a leaf from the Moi humility - instead the hyena pull a mlolongo in Uhuru backyard. And then he offers a thud check called 50% :)

Well - I see events vindicating this. Meru sent him coded messages - I know your blinkers see it as endorsement. It isn't.

1. That Meru is their bedroom
2. That it is Meru's turn to produce a president


Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 15, 2019, 12:52:54 AM
Ruto may ship to Green Party


Ruto allies say DP plotting to ditch Jubilee ahead of 2022

Quote
In Summary
• The lawmakers, who come from the DP’s Rift Valley backyard, were overheard saying their political king is considering leaving the party because he considers the outfit a burden on his candidature.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/corridors-of-power/2019-11-13-ruto-allies-say-dp-plotting-to-ditch-jubilee-ahead-of-2022/
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 15, 2019, 01:09:58 PM
Any news? I'm sure Ruto has his fingers crossed - I see it going bad for him. Dude must be pacing by his phone waiting for Ndindi Nyoro updates.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 15, 2019, 01:43:45 PM
You see raila has laid a clever trap for ruto. With or without BBI raila may leave with 20 percent of kikuyu vote. That is enough to top up. Remember raila doesn't need gema vote to be central to his strategy. He just needs 20 percent of it or even 12 percent and to be able to keep his original coalition intact. Ruto runs the that raila ran in 2013. He is build a coalition but it is a one person coalition. The gift raila has is ability to recruit new talent. He can spot a talent from miles. He is like moi in this aspect of team recruitment. Ruto on the hard is just a bull on Testetorone. Storm the barn east west north south with no grassroots ground game.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 15, 2019, 02:39:22 PM
Live leaks
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Uhuru currently addressing the Sagana gathering.<br>He has spoken about PEV to 2013 to the 2017 double election up to the handshake.</p>&mdash; Oliver Mathenge (@OliverMathenge) <a href="?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 15, 2019, 02:48:00 PM
I wager some resolutions

1. New carrots for Mt Kenya - a few B's for miraa & coffee farmers, new roads or dams

2. All governors (inc Baba Yao) and most MP's (inc Kuria) sideline Ruto

3. Meru reject Kiunjuri and insist it's their turn if and when Uhuru exits

4. Uhuru is their sole leader and will give direction on BBI which all will follow

Barely a minute post- presser Ruto will "happily" tweet his whole-hearted agreement with His Excellency.

About Raila v Ruto... no comparison  :) Raila just dumped paperweight Kalonzo - dude delivered 0% kamba for Rectangular candidate. Ngilu and Kibwana are old Raila crew who were forced by the ground to go Narc or Muungano. Now Ruto has "attracted" an alliance with Wiper.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 15, 2019, 04:48:52 PM
You see raila has laid a clever trap for ruto. With or without BBI raila may leave with 20 percent of kikuyu vote. That is enough to top up. Remember raila doesn't need gema vote to be central to his strategy. He just needs 20 percent of it or even 12 percent and to be able to keep his original coalition intact. Ruto runs the that raila ran in 2013. He is build a coalition but it is a one person coalition. The gift raila has is ability to recruit new talent. He can spot a talent from miles. He is like moi in this aspect of team recruitment. Ruto on the hard is just a bull on Testetorone. Storm the barn east west north south with no grassroots ground game.

Uhuru doesn't need to sell Raila... Raila needs to sell Uhuru 2.0 in non-Gema..  which is easy peasy cause all these retiring governors see opportunity to be ministers in parliamentary. Only Kalenjin and a few Kikuyu will oppose BBI.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Pajero on November 15, 2019, 05:00:22 PM
its already 10 nil against Arap singh and tanga tanga squad

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001349553/tangatanga-sidelined-from-addressing-uhuru-s-meeting
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 15, 2019, 05:09:25 PM
Uhuru
its already 10 nil against Arap singh and tanga tanga squad

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001349553/tangatanga-sidelined-from-addressing-uhuru-s-meeting
Really..leaked..how about he said if BBI is bad reject it and he is not interested in any seat including pm
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Kadudu on November 15, 2019, 05:13:50 PM
Uhuru and his regime should do Kenyans a favour and just go in 2022. Any extension of the economic mess they will leave behind should be resisted.

Really..leaked..how about he said if BBI is bad reject it and he is not interested in any seat including pm
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 15, 2019, 08:01:45 PM
Uhuru
its already 10 nil against Arap singh and tanga tanga squad

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001349553/tangatanga-sidelined-from-addressing-uhuru-s-meeting
Really..leaked..how about he said if BBI is bad reject it and he is not interested in any seat including pm

Who actually believes Uhuru and Raila haven't seen the sealed report? Of course Uhuru doesn't "want" any seat - Atwolis, Sonkos and Kalonzos want him to stay and ensure peaceful transition to parliamentary.  :) He will dissociate from succession until new system is in place. Then Ruto can try square with him in Gema - after alienating Duales, Luhyas and all non-Gema opposing parliamentary and devolution.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 15, 2019, 08:23:02 PM
I don't see the economy as so bad. People are short-sighted and fickle. And political. They whined over rates, then caps; now again about rates. GoK cannot shield you from change and flux of models - capital, platforms, talent, MNC's, globalization, etc. The infrastructure gap needs to be filled quickly and Jubilee hearts have been in the right place. But they are hare-brained and have sub-optimal strategy of SGR and last-miles- keep in mind their social responsibility - which basically means happiness aka food or money in the pocket. Pundit conflates this with rail and transformers. Infra development needs some calibration - century bonds, subways, etc - high return and low installments. Ndii and other naysayers have little in way of alternative substance.

Uhuru and his regime should do Kenyans a favour and just go in 2022. Any extension of the economic mess they will leave behind should be resisted.

Really..leaked..how about he said if BBI is bad reject it and he is not interested in any seat including pm
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: patel on November 15, 2019, 09:08:52 PM
Uhuru calls for truce after Neutralizing Ruto and takataka movement. Ruto drove his presidential candidacy into a ditch. It will take a miracle to recover. Uhuru will slowly whip Gema back in line once the loud mouth realize Ruto candidacy is DOA. Interesting times
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 15, 2019, 09:52:01 PM
Uhuru calls for truce after Neutralizing Ruto and takataka movement. Ruto drove his presidential candidacy into a ditch. It will take a miracle to recover. Uhuru will slowly whip Gema back in line once the loud mouth realize Ruto candidacy is DOA. Interesting times

You are very right. Ruto is smart alec - stabbing Uhuru in the back while heaping cheap praises. Then the dude throws fits and acts jilted. :( Uhuru was the only real friend he had. Seems now he has only Kalonzo - going by Kibra - all the Oparanyas, Kibwanas we thought he had are above his paygrade. He has no chance against the Uhuru-Raila combo.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Dear Mami on November 16, 2019, 05:19:17 AM
Pundit, what the Standard is reporting sounds very different from what you were expecting from Sagana. https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001349583/i-don-t-mind-pm-position-says-uhuru

“I do not know the contents of the BBI report yet I hear people claiming Uhuru Kenyatta wants to become the Prime Minister of Kenya. I wouldn’t mind being in leadership in such a post, though let us deal with the current situation first,” Mr Kenyatta said.

.......

He reiterated that only God knows the leader Kenya will get. The Head of State expressed displeasure with constant pleas by regional leaders to endorse a successor saying that he intended to serve until his last day in office.

“I am being pushed everyday as if the elections are in the next two months. I sometimes wonder if my community is keen to bury me while I am still alive,” he said in Gikuyu.

........

“We shall hold more consultations with all regions when the BBI report is out and I plan to personally go out to all counties to answer burning questions,” he told the leaders and revealed plans for consultation with Meru leaders and a meeting in the next week.

.........

Does not seem like he's as eager to retire as you believe and he is here pledging to go around the country answering questions on BBI once its released. That sounds like a man behind BBI and at the very least open to continuing power.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: gout on November 16, 2019, 05:32:05 AM
Uhuru is greedy for power and still thinks bhe can pull madimoni card on calculatively even greedier Ruto
 The sarcastic posts by Ruto allied mps are a warning shot of what awaits the gatundu suckers.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 16, 2019, 05:39:38 AM
People do nor understand what is at play. Uhuru will go home in 2022. However he is afraid be had failed to whitewash kenyatta legacy of sleaze. There is no worst feeling for a prince like him than that of knowing you being mocked behind your back. Uhuru played with economic fire while being cheered by radicals in gema and RV. When the dust settled the debt was named Uhuru. When uhuru shutdown social media accounts it showed he was very sentitive to how he was being perceived.

When ruto convinced him to steal elections he never foresaw a situtation where he was going to lose the coutnry in the process. Handshake was engineered by his family after that suffering serious loses due to boycott. Uhuru is where kibaki was during nara. He cannot go back to jubilee days of him and ruto eat meat. He has certain conditionalities he got meet or his own empire and freedom may be at stake.

It is better to be loved than feared

Using phone so read and edit in your mind
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 16, 2019, 05:54:26 AM
Why do you think BBI is being delayed? Because the ground in central is hostile. People have lost ability to make money. Tea prices plummeted last year meaning the most lucrative cash crop is going to leave millions having a very unhappy Christmas. Milk prices have plummeted by 10 ssh another disaster of milk glut and good rains. Wanjiku is unhappy and rural kikuyus have no time to reminisce about politics. Moi used to come to my village on "surprise" visits to inspect tea zones and no one would pay him mind. The other day in gatundu residents had to be begged to attend a meeting ..meeting will all county security leaders Inspector General of police matiangi water cs and dcio and mps and county commissioners. There less than 100 attendees this was a meeting to address security and announce reshuffle of all police in the area and leaders in police. My point uhuru has lost the ground and i doubt ruto will regain it ..however if the fight is between ruto and Uhuru in central ruto it is a no contest
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 16, 2019, 07:34:12 AM
Socrates: Uhuru doesn't need the Kikuyu to pass BBI. It's self- propelling and noone is surprised kikuyu and Kalenjin are the only opponents. The two tribes that planned to dominate the presidency for 100 years. I mean even Duale is enthusiastic about parliamentary. Who in the rest of Kenya is opposing BBI?  -anyone of consequence?

Kiraitu and the governors support Uhuru. Ruto is left with a bunch of MPs. I don't even know any senator backing him save for Susan Kihika.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 16, 2019, 07:50:26 AM
Pundit, what the Standard is reporting sounds very different from what you were expecting from Sagana. https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001349583/i-don-t-mind-pm-position-says-uhuru

“I do not know the contents of the BBI report yet I hear people claiming Uhuru Kenyatta wants to become the Prime Minister of Kenya. I wouldn’t mind being in leadership in such a post, though let us deal with the current situation first,” Mr Kenyatta said.

.......

He reiterated that only God knows the leader Kenya will get. The Head of State expressed displeasure with constant pleas by regional leaders to endorse a successor saying that he intended to serve until his last day in office.

“I am being pushed everyday as if the elections are in the next two months. I sometimes wonder if my community is keen to bury me while I am still alive,” he said in Gikuyu.

........

“We shall hold more consultations with all regions when the BBI report is out and I plan to personally go out to all counties to answer burning questions,” he told the leaders and revealed plans for consultation with Meru leaders and a meeting in the next week.

.........

Does not seem like he's as eager to retire as you believe and he is here pledging to go around the country answering questions on BBI once its released. That sounds like a man behind BBI and at the very least open to continuing power.

They met in camera but the reports are not kind to Ruto.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 16, 2019, 02:40:18 PM
Socrates: Uhuru doesn't need the Kikuyu to pass BBI. It's self- propelling and noone is surprised kikuyu and Kalenjin are the only opponents. The two tribes that planned to dominate the presidency for 100 years. I mean even Duale is enthusiastic about parliamentary. Who in the rest of Kenya is opposing BBI?  -anyone of consequence?

Kiraitu and the governors support Uhuru. Ruto is left with a bunch of MPs. I don't even know any senator backing him save for Susan Kihika.


Free and fair elections and the rest will be sorted out. BBI to me is misguided. No amount of distribution of cronyism at the top will solve problems at the bottom. Devolution is there all we need is simple adherance to the constitution and respect of letter and spirit of constitution. Uhuru, ruto and raila are still stuck at in the past of a centralized system. Even our mps and mcas are still stuck in the past. If we lewve status quo i do believe eventually things will sort themselves and the new order will slowly emerge. As for all we need is mps and mcas to do their fucking jobs
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 16, 2019, 03:31:08 PM
Free and fair elections and the rest will be sorted out. BBI to me is misguided. No amount of distribution of cronyism at the top will solve problems at the bottom. Devolution is there all we need is simple adherance to the constitution and respect of letter and spirit of constitution. Uhuru, ruto and raila are still stuck at in the past of a centralized system. Even our mps and mcas are still stuck in the past. If we lewve status quo i do believe eventually things will sort themselves and the new order will slowly emerge. As for all we need is mps and mcas to do their fucking jobs

Are you stating your wishes or the reality? Free and fair elections..?

Parliamentary system is the optimal model the world over. Separates the state from the executive - the ceremonial from the accountable. Even the US has an electoral college. Lancaster was a pure parliamentary federalism before greedy Jomo devoured it into centralized presidentialism. The CEO needs to attend the floor and be questioned. Subpoenaed to court, etc.

About devolution - we need more of it but not before transitioning. NHS is being introduced to sanitize health. We are very far from devolving KRA - until counties demonstrate efficacy with council rates and managing cemetries. Agric seems ish-ish - but if you are to adapt large-scale farming - you still need a GoK body for that. In short devolution needs retooling. It is new and experimental.

Chapter 6 - needs to be revised.Together with SRC and MP perks. You have a few lessons learnt now so it is about time.

10 years is a good test window to recalibrate the constitution. So long as it is debated and gets majority support in a referendum. But you are kikuyu - I get the dither. :)
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 16, 2019, 05:23:19 PM
Free and fair elections and the rest will be sorted out. BBI to me is misguided. No amount of distribution of cronyism at the top will solve problems at the bottom. Devolution is there all we need is simple adherance to the constitution and respect of letter and spirit of constitution. Uhuru, ruto and raila are still stuck at in the past of a centralized system. Even our mps and mcas are still stuck in the past. If we lewve status quo i do believe eventually things will sort themselves and the new order will slowly emerge. As for all we need is mps and mcas to do their fucking jobs


This not about me being a kikuyu. I have a record here. I was luke warm to kibaki 2002..and never supported any kikuyu after that ..i may be the only kikuyu who didn't watch jubilee two inaugurations
Are you stating your wishes or the reality? Free and fair elections..?

Parliamentary system is the optimal model the world over. Separates the state from the executive - the ceremonial from the accountable. Even the US has an electoral college. Lancaster was a pure parliamentary federalism before greedy Jomo devoured it into centralized presidentialism. The CEO needs to attend the floor and be questioned. Subpoenaed to court, etc.

About devolution - we need more of it but not before transitioning. NHS is being introduced to sanitize health. We are very far from devolving KRA - until counties demonstrate efficacy with council rates and managing cemetries. Agric seems ish-ish - but if you are to adapt large-scale farming - you still need a GoK body for that. In short devolution needs retooling. It is new and experimental.

Chapter 6 - needs to be revised.Together with SRC and MP perks. You have a few lessons learnt now so it is about time.

10 years is a good test window to recalibrate the constitution. So long as it is debated and gets majority support in a referendum. But you are kikuyu - I get the dither. :)
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 16, 2019, 11:40:05 PM
Hey no worries just messing with you
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 17, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Interesting two years. It appears Uhuru doesn't intend to home unless he is forced. Now he needs to release the BBI. This blowing hot and cold doesn't help anybody.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 17, 2019, 10:59:35 AM
Yes that is Uhuru dilemma. Ruto has played his few cards deftly - and Mt kenya do not want to hear anything about Raila (handshake, BBI, etc). For them the omens are already bad economic wise - and they know Kikuyu-Kalenjin split will be brutal.

How soon before say Kiunjuri openly fight the Kenyattas? I think as soon as BBI is out.

Why do you think BBI is being delayed? Because the ground in central is hostile. People have lost ability to make money. Tea prices plummeted last year meaning the most lucrative cash crop is going to leave millions having a very unhappy Christmas. Milk prices have plummeted by 10 ssh another disaster of milk glut and good rains. Wanjiku is unhappy and rural kikuyus have no time to reminisce about politics. Moi used to come to my village on "surprise" visits to inspect tea zones and no one would pay him mind. The other day in gatundu residents had to be begged to attend a meeting ..meeting will all county security leaders Inspector General of police matiangi water cs and dcio and mps and county commissioners. There less than 100 attendees this was a meeting to address security and announce reshuffle of all police in the area and leaders in police. My point uhuru has lost the ground and i doubt ruto will regain it ..however if the fight is between ruto and Uhuru in central ruto it is a no contest
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Pajero on November 17, 2019, 01:27:23 PM
URP kalenjin crying to see Uhuru
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001349730/we-also-want-to-meet-uhuru-dp-supporters-now-demand
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Pajero on November 17, 2019, 01:34:25 PM
Moses kuria lays it bare
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Inside-plot-to-wrest-Jubilee-from-Uhuru/1064-5351770-33cx74z/index.html
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 17, 2019, 01:42:51 PM
Kiunjuri and Ruto have it coming. They don't have the numbers to stop BBI. Once it passes, there will be no almighty president let alone VP - what will Ruto be offering Gema? He could always front Kiunjuri as PM - and square with senile Raila for ceremonial president :)

As long as Raila is ready to sacrifice to scuttle Ruto the latter is in serious trouble. Uhuru just needs to hold Gema and pit non-Gema. Easy peasy.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 17, 2019, 02:12:06 PM
I don't think Uhuru can risk a rebellion in Central/Mt Kenya. That is why he was blowing hot & cold. He was actually pleading for mercy because he knows
 1) Mt Kenya proletariat have said NO to his politics post-2017 elections
 2) The majority of leaders are with the people in rejecting Uhuru politics that are hard to comprehend.
 3) Mt kenya are accusing Uhuru of under-delivering compared to Kibaki - SGR as you well know avoids Mt Kenya - and all big ticket stuff - nothing is happening there - Kibaki was blantant tribalist - who spent a lot in Mt kenya - while Uhuru has tried to be fair - I think he has been most fair of all presidency.

There is nothing more hurtful than to be rejected by your own people.

Let wait for BBI to be released. If there is lots of hue & cry in Mt Kenya - Uhuru will kill it.

Uhuru risk losing all - he loses Mt Kenya and he is GONE kaput in great shame - and Kenyatta's will go back to irrelevances - like the Mois in Kalenjin land.

Ruto has to play smart like he has done - attack Raila and ignore Uhuru folks shadow-boxing at least publicly - don't give him the excuse to win back Mt Kenya. Don't pull punches on Raila because there is huge anti-Raila following in Kenya esp in Mt Kenya.

Kiunjuri and Ruto have it coming. They don't have the numbers to stop BBI. Once it passes, there will be no almighty president let alone VP - what will Ruto be offering Gema? He could always front Kiunjuri as PM - and square with senile Raila for ceremonial president :)

As long as Raila is ready to sacrifice to scuttle Ruto the latter is in serious trouble. Uhuru just needs to hold Gema and pit non-Gema. Easy peasy.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 17, 2019, 04:45:53 PM
BBI doesn't need Gema unity - because it is wildly popular outside Kikuyu and Kalenjin - popular even in Meru. Your conjectures about Uhuru's intentions haven't panned out: he has silenced Waititus - threw Ruto under the bus in Kibra - now BBI is here and all loud shouts from Atwolis - he is going for PM. Why does he need to sell Raila in Central again? How does he become irrelevant when he is Exec PM? Letting the faithless Ruto into power - or endorsing Kiunjuri... the laughable Supreme Leader is a direct one-way ticket to irrelevance. Uhuru has Gema in his grip - so long as non-Gema are in dog fight - it easy as class one math. A few noises will emerge as BBI pass - Ruto in fact is at bigger risk of losing Duales and all non-Gema by opposing BBI. Old Raila is on the clock and good for portraits on notes & kiosks, swearing in folks and few roads or monuments erected in his name. If Ruto eat humble pie - and back Raila :) - Uhuru and Gema would be kaput like 07. The chance of that is a snowball in hell.

I don't think Uhuru can risk a rebellion in Central/Mt Kenya. That is why he was blowing hot & cold. He was actually pleading for mercy because he knows
 1) Mt Kenya proletariat have said NO to his politics post-2017 elections
 2) The majority of leaders are with the people in rejecting Uhuru politics that are hard to comprehend.
 3) Mt kenya are accusing Uhuru of under-delivering compared to Kibaki - SGR as you well know avoids Mt Kenya - and all big ticket stuff - nothing is happening there - Kibaki was blantant tribalist - who spent a lot in Mt kenya - while Uhuru has tried to be fair - I think he has been most fair of all presidency.

There is nothing more hurtful than to be rejected by your own people.

Let wait for BBI to be released. If there is lots of hue & cry in Mt Kenya - Uhuru will kill it.

Uhuru risk losing all - he loses Mt Kenya and he is GONE kaput in great shame - and Kenyatta's will go back to irrelevances - like the Mois in Kalenjin land.

Ruto has to play smart like he has done - attack Raila and ignore Uhuru folks shadow-boxing at least publicly - don't give him the excuse to win back Mt Kenya. Don't pull punches on Raila because there is huge anti-Raila following in Kenya esp in Mt Kenya.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 17, 2019, 04:56:45 PM
Uhuru to be Prime Minister after 2022, Atwoli insists
Fred Kibor  17th Nov 2019 00:00:00 GMT +0300

(https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/saturday/lszovq0kzwlwhynq5dd0354b901a9.jpg)
COTU Secretary General Francis Atwoli and Cherangany MP Joshua Kuttuny (left) during a fundraising at Evangelical Bible Church Illula in Eldoret Uasin Gishu County yesterday. [Peter Ochieng, Standard]

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001349683/uhuru-to-be-prime-minister-after-2022-atwoli-insists
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 17, 2019, 09:34:45 PM
Like I told you ammending katiba is no joke...if Jubilee majority want to kill they will sit on BBI once it get there...plus so many hurdles in a process that at minimum requires 2yrs
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 17, 2019, 10:05:09 PM
If Aukot the political bimbo could go all the way to counties - it nothing for Handshake crew. You don't get - 30 years of kikuyu and 25 years of Kalenjin - and you are proposing another Kalenjin-Kikuyu ticket. Even Meru won't take that. No, Tanga Tanga cannot scuttle BBI - no numbers - their Majority Leader already supports it.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Pajero on November 18, 2019, 11:47:40 AM
So Urp kalenjin had planned to heckle Uhuru after sagana meeting,Kimani ngujiri received cash from Arap mashamba.wololo yayeeee,taking things too far https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/corridors-of-power/2019-11-18-was-there-a-secret-plot-to-heckle-uhuru-after-sagana/
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 18, 2019, 04:14:17 PM
Uhuru to be Prime Minister after 2022, Atwoli insists
Fred Kibor  17th Nov 2019 00:00:00 GMT +0300

(https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/saturday/lszovq0kzwlwhynq5dd0354b901a9.jpg)
COTU Secretary General Francis Atwoli and Cherangany MP Joshua Kuttuny (left) during a fundraising at Evangelical Bible Church Illula in Eldoret Uasin Gishu County yesterday. [Peter Ochieng, Standard]

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001349683/uhuru-to-be-prime-minister-after-2022-atwoli-insists (https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001349683/uhuru-to-be-prime-minister-after-2022-atwoli-insists)

Khatwoli seems to believe he has all the receipts.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Kadudu on November 18, 2019, 04:17:25 PM
He should first explain to Kenyans why he wants a man to be executive PM when he failed as executive president?

Khatwoli seems to believe he has all the receipts.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 18, 2019, 04:41:23 PM
He should first explain to Kenyans why he wants a man to be executive PM when he failed as executive president?

Khatwoli seems to believe he has all the receipts.

He is a small time oligarch enjoying access to power.  The man has zero principles.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Kadudu on November 18, 2019, 05:09:22 PM
Most likely marked wife number 6 to be under lock and key come 2022 if things go his way. :D :D :D
The guy cannot think beyond his d..k.

He is a small time oligarch enjoying access to power.  The man has zero principles.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 22, 2019, 03:30:35 PM
Here we go

Uhuru, Raila to receive BBI report next Tuesday
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001350429/bbi-report-to-be-made-public-on-tuesday
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 22, 2019, 03:35:12 PM
Finally
Here we go

Uhuru, Raila to receive BBI report next Tuesday
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001350429/bbi-report-to-be-made-public-on-tuesday
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 23, 2019, 03:43:07 PM
Kuria is losing it... he would be the first casualty of Uhuru 2.0 - as they square out in Gatundu :)

We are tired and hungry, Moses Kuria gives 10 conditions for accepting BBI
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-11-23-we-are-tired-and-hungry-moses-kuria-gives-10-conditions-for-accepting-bbi/
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2019, 05:03:31 AM
Pundit & gout - I didn't notice this jambazi had surrendered to Kibicho & Jezebel. He literally call for Uhuru 2.0. Seem mere Ichung'wa and Kuria are Ruto holdouts in Kiambu


Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 24, 2019, 07:55:46 AM
Pundit & gout - I didn't notice this jambazi had surrendered to Kibicho & Jezebel. He literally call for Uhuru 2.0. Seem mere Ichung'wa and Kuria are Ruto holdouts in Kiambu


Desperate times.. meanwhile the nose is tightening on Sonko who has been long standing supporter of BBI and Uhuru extension
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2019, 11:54:48 AM
Any 411 on Sonko? Why are they hanging the guy despite kissing Uhuru feet?
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 24, 2019, 12:51:57 PM
It mostly because EACC don't listen to Kibicho like DCI & DPP.
Any 411 on Sonko? Why are they hanging the guy despite kissing Uhuru feet?
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2019, 01:01:53 PM
Makes sense.

It mostly because EACC don't listen to Kibicho like DCI & DPP.
Any 411 on Sonko? Why are they hanging the guy despite kissing Uhuru feet?
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2019, 01:05:30 PM
Raila has run circles around your boy.. seem Ruto has only NEP and RV. Duale is back in Ruto corner. Mt Kenya with Waititus, Waigurus is not locked down. Madvd fool as usual has lost control of ANC - UDF redux :) - likes of Osotsi, Malala, Khaniri are fully in Handshake. Despite Madvd threats to evict them.

Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 24, 2019, 01:30:30 PM
All this because Manyora said. Ruto job is easy - spent the next two years running circles around Raila - because face it - Uhuru doesn't want a referendum - and even't if he wanted - the process to get there is not easy.Release BBI and roadmap to realize it - and we shall see it. If it's parliament - it will die a certain death - because Ruto control most of the mps.

I am still not convinced Uhuru would fall for Raila games.

Raila has run circles around your boy.. seem Ruto has only NEP and RV. Duale is back in Ruto corner. Mt Kenya with Waititus, Waigurus is not locked down. Madvd fool as usual has lost control of ANC - UDF redux :) - likes of Osotsi, Malala, Khaniri are fully in Handshake. Despite Madvd threats to evict them.

Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2019, 02:00:08 PM
I don't see how Ruto will run circles when Raila & Uhuru control the process. He hasn't managed to stop it so far despite all rallies and noises. I read that most BBI staff - clerks, bodyguards, tea girls - were NIS. That make me see Uhuru hand in it. Now Raila and crew will do the legwork of drumming support, signatures, etc - with interior CCs & chiefs logistical help. County assemblies will be easy going by the huge backing outside RV and Mt Kenya. I think even Kiambu will pass it. Kalonzo is watermelon as expected - while Mutua and Ngilu back BBI. Referendum whistle is when crunch time start ticking of course - but the camps are nearly formed.

We'll see. Uhuru of course can forget Big 4 or legacy - cause he is not retiring.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: gout on November 24, 2019, 02:47:57 PM
Screwball is setting up very volatile  environment - politics, judiciary, economy - it will be interesting to see him weeping once these games are played on/blow out on him personally despite his skin deep insulation. As Pundit would say, it will be MAD. Mutually Assured Destruction and seems we are turning that corner with mixed signals from the EACC and DCI. The unleashed dogs are biting wildly. For now it is a waiting game.

ichungwas, kuria, nyoro, wahome are becoming bolder, heck, signs of times show they know better  - I bet it wont be long before some shitty bar talk leak of them sticking the middle finger to uhuru.
 
Pundit & gout - I didn't notice this jambazi had surrendered to Kibicho & Jezebel. He literally call for Uhuru 2.0. Seem mere Ichung'wa and Kuria are Ruto holdouts in Kiambu


Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 24, 2019, 04:04:55 PM
Yes Uhuru the day he declares he will run again will understand what MAD.Mt Kenya themselves will kick him out before he get there.The lesson from Moi when he suddenly embrace GEMA and backed Uhuru leading to KANu revolt is poignant.Moi had built a non GEMA alliance and then turned 360..he was left alone.In jubilee Raila is hated..and to support him is 360...a betrayal that Uhuru will find his state powers unable to control.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2019, 04:10:20 PM
The trouble with banking on Wahome or Nyoro is that Kikuyu and Kalenjin are not enough to block BBI. Yet Uhuru has been slicing a few Waigurus, Waititus here and there. Ruto seems to have only MPs in Mt Kenya. The governors and senators are neutral or too scared to back him. Only Kihika or small boy Prof Kindiki back Ruto. Even loud-mouth Muthomi Njuki went mute... and emerged the other day to back BBI.

MAD is a horizon that will never come. The Ichung'was and Nyoros have done their worst - calling Uhuru names - the worst president, etc. Nyoro shouts everywhere that Kibaki is the best president in history :) BBI has been the big redline we have now reached - let us see what happens on/after Tuesday. The grapevine is Ruto will surrender - with barely firing a shot back.

Screwball is setting up very volatile  environment - politics, judiciary, economy - it will be interesting to see him weeping once these games are played on/blow out on him personally despite his skin deep insulation. As Pundit would say, it will be MAD. Mutually Assured Destruction and seems we are turning that corner with mixed signals from the EACC and DCI. The unleashed dogs are biting wildly. For now it is a waiting game.

ichungwas, kuria, nyoro, wahome are becoming bolder, heck, signs of times show they know better  - I bet it wont be long before some shitty bar talk leak of them sticking the middle finger to uhuru.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2019, 04:11:17 PM
Here's former fierce Ruto dog Muthomi backing BBI  :) i think Uhuru 2.0 is the turning point for most Gema. The tide is not favorable to Ruto.


Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2019, 04:53:18 PM
BBI is here... wasn't that the redline? Atwoli, Sonko, Kalonzo, Waititu, Simba Aratis and entire ODM crew - have all openly backed Uhuru 2.0. Does it get clearer? You want him to climb on podium and announce.

It's UHURU 2.0 - as Raila settle for ceremonial PORK. Kikuyu will come around one by one... as it become imminent. Non-Gema will easily buy into "inclusion" - which make sense cause 60 years of Kikuyu-Kalenjin - now you come up with fresh Ruto-Kiunjuri 20yr lineup :o  how do you sell that? Once BBI pass - Gema will fall in line - and Raila will need to sell Uhuru in non-Gema. I think clinging to Mt Kenya is waste of time for Ruto.

Yes Uhuru the day he declares he will run again will understand what MAD.Mt Kenya themselves will kick him out before he get there.The lesson from Moi when he suddenly embrace GEMA and backed Uhuru leading to KANu revolt is poignant.Moi had built a non GEMA alliance and then turned 360..he was left alone.In jubilee Raila is hated..and to support him is 360...a betrayal that Uhuru will find his state powers unable to control.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2019, 04:58:00 PM
Pundit what's up with KJ?  this is not good

Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: gout on November 24, 2019, 05:07:07 PM
Deja vu or what? How screwball did a madimoni u turn in December 2012. Musalia guys were sure they were home and dry :D :D :D

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000084486/how-president-uhuru-kenyatta-fell-out-with-udf-leader-musalia-mudavadi

They say man keeps going back to history to choose the mistakes to repeat. we wait Tuesday to know if he will show up to threaten us to accept BBI.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 24, 2019, 05:50:13 PM
At the height of this BBI is how to solve kikuyu tribalism problem. How do you solve it by legistlating a work around it. We have tried every legislative way from 25 percent to 50 plus 1 but nada
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 24, 2019, 06:32:55 PM
BBI is here... wasn't that the redline? Atwoli, Sonko, Kalonzo, Waititu, Simba Aratis and entire ODM crew - have all openly backed Uhuru 2.0. Does it get clearer? You want him to climb on podium and announce.

It's UHURU 2.0 - as Raila settle for ceremonial PORK. Kikuyu will come around one by one... as it become imminent. Non-Gema will easily buy into "inclusion" - which make sense cause 60 years of Kikuyu-Kalenjin - now you come up with fresh Ruto-Kiunjuri 20yr lineup :o  how do you sell that? Once BBI pass - Gema will fall in line - and Raila will need to sell Uhuru in non-Gema. I think clinging to Mt Kenya is waste of time for Ruto.

Yes Uhuru the day he declares he will run again will understand what MAD.Mt Kenya themselves will kick him out before he get there.The lesson from Moi when he suddenly embrace GEMA and backed Uhuru leading to KANu revolt is poignant.Moi had built a non GEMA alliance and then turned 360..he was left alone.In jubilee Raila is hated..and to support him is 360...a betrayal that Uhuru will find his state powers unable to control.
Uhuru will be pushed by his people.They cannot risk killing jubilee for Raila.Just too huge a deficit of trust.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2019, 09:01:46 PM
BBI is here... wasn't that the redline? Atwoli, Sonko, Kalonzo, Waititu, Simba Aratis and entire ODM crew - have all openly backed Uhuru 2.0. Does it get clearer? You want him to climb on podium and announce.

It's UHURU 2.0 - as Raila settle for ceremonial PORK. Kikuyu will come around one by one... as it become imminent. Non-Gema will easily buy into "inclusion" - which make sense cause 60 years of Kikuyu-Kalenjin - now you come up with fresh Ruto-Kiunjuri 20yr lineup :o  how do you sell that? Once BBI pass - Gema will fall in line - and Raila will need to sell Uhuru in non-Gema. I think clinging to Mt Kenya is waste of time for Ruto.

Yes Uhuru the day he declares he will run again will understand what MAD.Mt Kenya themselves will kick him out before he get there.The lesson from Moi when he suddenly embrace GEMA and backed Uhuru leading to KANu revolt is poignant.Moi had built a non GEMA alliance and then turned 360..he was left alone.In jubilee Raila is hated..and to support him is 360...a betrayal that Uhuru will find his state powers unable to control.
Uhuru will be pushed by his people.They cannot risk killing jubilee for Raila.Just too huge a deficit of trust.

Uhuru people are falling in line... one after the other. Notwithstanding that he doesn't even need them to pass BBI. End of day Uhuru vs Ruto - Exec PM contest - in Gema will be laughable.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2019, 09:05:20 PM
At the height of this BBI is how to solve kikuyu tribalism problem. How do you solve it by legistlating a work around it. We have tried every legislative way from 25 percent to 50 plus 1 but nada

Kikuyu and Kalenjin tribalism. Parliamentary ends one-man-one-vote. MPs are not directly proportional to population. It's akin to the US electoral college where Clinton get 48% vs Trump 46% - yet Trump become president. By winning more states. States are MPs in parliamentary.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: RV Pundit on November 25, 2019, 11:24:29 AM
Why would a winning coalition like Kikuyu-kalenjin support it. Why would GEMA support a parliamentary system that disadvantage them. Why would Uhuru support something he won't get? Anyway let wait and see tomorrow - how the cookie crumble.
Kikuyu and Kalenjin tribalism. Parliamentary ends one-man-one-vote. MPs are not directly proportional to population. It's akin to the US electoral college where Clinton get 48% vs Trump 46% - yet Trump become president. By winning more states. States are MPs in parliamentary.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 25, 2019, 11:38:13 AM
At the height of this BBI is how to solve kikuyu tribalism problem. How do you solve it by legistlating a work around it. We have tried every legislative way from 25 percent to 50 plus 1 but nada

Kikuyu and Kalenjin tribalism. Parliamentary ends one-man-one-vote. MPs are not directly proportional to population. It's akin to the US electoral college where Clinton get 48% vs Trump 46% - yet Trump become president. By winning more states. States are MPs in parliamentary.
What makes you think kikuyus or kalenjins cannot convince small tribes to join them and exclude others. We have tried fo legislate around racism without any success. We even have 50 plus 1 and we had 25 percent to deny moi his minority rule. You cannot change heart and minds through laws. Even USA you have seen white elect a pig like trump to despise minorities
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 25, 2019, 11:55:37 AM
Ruto has no confidencs of Brentwood. China has crumbled and the West may finally have enough balls to wreck China politically. I think Xi has overplayed his draconian hand and may lose a significant legitimacy due to current concentration camps

https://www.theelephant.info/op-eds/2018/05/26/one-week-in-march-the-political-economy-of-sovereignty/
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 25, 2019, 05:58:49 PM
Good questions

1) Kikuyu numbers are dwindling fast and in a few years they will be second or third. It's a lie that census was rigged or that parliamentary disadvantages them. They have a bunch of protected constituencies. There is a whole thread on this... Kalenjin are the biggest loser with their headcount accelerating.

2) Greedy Uhuru wants to extend Kenyatta dynasty. Moses Kuria needs to shift base from Gatundu South - square with Ichung'wa in Kabete. :) Tantrums and insults will not save him.

3) Gema are hardly united in this - Embu and Meru don't want more Kikuyu dominance. Ruto-Kiunjuri is a non-starter for them. That makes them lukewarm as you see Kiraitu is least bothered. It's better Uhuru 2.0 which neutralize Kiunjuri and give them future chance. So majority Kikuyu and Kalenjin will oppose but lose to other tribes. Even Duale if he opposes will lose the argument. Why would anyone but Kikuyu and Kalenjin oppose parliamentary which ends 60 years of tyranny?

The call for Uhuru 2.0 is diluting Gema resistance. Cause the Ruto vs Raila narrative is fizzling. Already lots of them are joining the BBI bandwagon. Governors and senators are with Uhuru or neutral apart from few Kindiki and Kihika. For non-Gema & -Kalenjin there is no distinction btwn Uhuru-Ruto vs Ruto-Kiunjuri - same old tribal duopoly.

Why would a winning coalition like Kikuyu-kalenjin support it. Why would GEMA support a parliamentary system that disadvantage them. Why would Uhuru support something he won't get? Anyway let wait and see tomorrow - how the cookie crumble.
Kikuyu and Kalenjin tribalism. Parliamentary ends one-man-one-vote. MPs are not directly proportional to population. It's akin to the US electoral college where Clinton get 48% vs Trump 46% - yet Trump become president. By winning more states. States are MPs in parliamentary.
Title: Re: Uhuru to meet Mt Kenya leaders at Sagan tomorrow
Post by: Nefertiti on November 25, 2019, 06:05:47 PM
At the height of this BBI is how to solve kikuyu tribalism problem. How do you solve it by legistlating a work around it. We have tried every legislative way from 25 percent to 50 plus 1 but nada

Kikuyu and Kalenjin tribalism. Parliamentary ends one-man-one-vote. MPs are not directly proportional to population. It's akin to the US electoral college where Clinton get 48% vs Trump 46% - yet Trump become president. By winning more states. States are MPs in parliamentary.
What makes you think kikuyus or kalenjins cannot convince small tribes to join them and exclude others. We have tried fo legislate around racism without any success. We even have 50 plus 1 and we had 25 percent to deny moi his minority rule. You cannot change heart and minds through laws. Even USA you have seen white elect a pig like trump to despise minorities

The point is to dilute tyranny of raw numbers. It will be meaningless to get 99% in Homabay or Kiambu. You need to have broad appeal to win parliamentary. Nothing stops Ruto or Kiunjuri from becoming PM. But Raila gets a fairer shot. That's inclusion.

Another good reason is accountability. Boris or Teresa sweats it out in parliament weekly - unlike Uhuru and Ruto and Matiang'i who never face any grilling. It is a very good idea to separate the ceremonial state from the daily executive. It's a widespread architecture for good reason.