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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Pajero on October 14, 2019, 11:52:25 AM
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https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Ruto-bid-to-hold-Jubilee-meeting-hits-wall-/1064-5309880-ucy00t/index.html
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:) any rebuttal from Pundit?
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I think Ruto has responded to that on Twitter.Said he chaired the iebc meeting and are inseparable with Ruto.I am not sure what this is all about because the voting record in parliament say something else
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Ruto is beginning to sound like Trump. Seeing ghosts everywhere. Who owns the Nation? 8) Debt ceiling is handled by the Committee on Delegated Legislation - not the amorphous IBEC which handles county borrowing. Last i heard the governors snubbed Ruto IBEC meeting.
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Where they when elections laws were being amended recently.Desperados for two years trying to find relevance aware Jubilee has 200 out of 350mps.What can a handful of wiper and 59 odm mps really do..there are about that many kalenjins mp alone.They should have some self esteem like MaDVD and do their job as an opposition...not bend on all fours for anything.
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Actually Uhuru is forced to manga manga in ODM or Wiper due to Jubilee mayhem. It is the Jubilee Party Leader who has joined the opposition. :D When is Mr 200 MPs chairing his first PG? We see if only Kamanda, Wamuchomba and who else will skip it - and how the we-are-inseparable spin plays out. They would need GSU or Recce to keep the peace. Either way with BBI crunch-time will arrive sooner than later.
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Jubilee is intact..just a few noises from sore losers of 2017 election and few lankeys - trying to make some money from Kibicho-Nancy. Uhuru obviously is having the best time of his presidency. He is virtually rulling unopposed. He doesn't even have to meet Jubilee mps for parliamentary agenda to move forward because some desperados are always willing to play along - hoping that Uhuru has suddenly abandoned Ruto for them. It's crazy. Yes BBI crunch time is coming.
Actually Uhuru is forced to manga manga in ODM or Wiper due to Jubilee mayhem. It is the Jubilee Party Leader who has joined the opposition. :D When is Mr 200 MPs chairing his first PG? We see if only Kamanda, Wamuchomba and who else will skip it - and how the we-are-inseparable spin plays out. They would need GSU or Recce to keep the peace. Either way with BBI crunch-time will arrive sooner than later.
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Jubilee can't agree on anything - Handshake, BBI, referendum, war on graft, PG, party elections. Mariga. NOTHING. Your stories and theories here - vitendawili - are very entertaining. It like Gum on the gate or Pinocchio. That Uhuru wants to retire. That Gema will refuse a second bite at the apple for Ruto. You're so naive. I can't wait to see MPs or MCAs ignore their own interests for Ruto. Once the deck is reshuffled - to parliamentary - it a new ballgame. There will be no Jubilee to talk about. Right now we are waiting to see the "genius move" - imposing the incorrigible celeb cum gambler - tramp tribe in Kibra. It a mountain even with gazillion of handouts and state dinners at Karen.
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Simple question that you didn't answer.Where were these odm and wiper desperados when elections laws regarding replacing iebc commissioners passed.Bottomline Uhuru and Jubilee can draw the fine line when they need to string along the desperados and when not.Like now in Kibra... Jubilee is giving ODM some sleepless nights.Uhuru is destroying Raila without him even knowing.He had hope he would pull 2.0 KANU rebellion but Jubilee know his game.So once Uhuru throws him under the bus where will he run to.At leaast maDVD will have his head high.
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ODM or Babu does not have a real problem with Chebukati - the toxic Nkatha et al are already out. If it was contentious - you would have had PGs and lobbying - and definitely high turnout on the floor. You could equally ask where was united Jubilee when debt ceiling was raised. The report says Tanga Tanga and their chairman Ichung'wa make some noises - and lost. About Kibra - I told you Ruto is analogous to athlete who win by heavy doping - it like Moi 92 with Jirongos raining all over :) - but even that won't save him. Let see how his slay queen performs.
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I thought you were in IEBC this week as ODM accusing 2 out 3 (2 Somalis) for meeting Duale every breakfast :). IEBC has no issues. The issues is ODM refusal to accept democracy. Obviously ODM had serious issues with election act being amended to replace IEBC commissioners enough to oppose the changes.
Anyway once we have replace the 4 missing commissioners - IEBC can go ahead to conduct elections or referendum. We will see if ODM will finally accept democracy when the beating of the century in 2022 by Dr Ruto - who is heavily doped (nobody stopped Luo althetes from dopping).
ODM or Babu does not have a real problem with Chebukati - the toxic Nkatha et al are already out. If it was contentious - you would have had PGs and lobbying - and definitely high turnout on the floor. You could equally ask where was united Jubilee when debt ceiling was raised. The report says Tanga Tanga and their chairman Ichung'wa make some noises - and lost. About Kibra - I told you Ruto is analogous to athlete who win by heavy doping - it like Moi 92 with Jirongos raining all over :) - but even that won't save him. Let see how his slay queen performs.
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Luo iko Dennis Oliech, etc - every region has its glory. The heavy doper has no real talent - no real following. Everywhere he wins on his own - which is actually only Mandera - he has won through doping.
ODM noise about rigging is a rallying cry for Luo. I wonder how Ruto will handle defeat - in referendum or 2022? Oh wait - of course we saw 2008 - and you repeatedly tell us about the quivers. In fact there would be war - not for Ruto the Democrat merely losing - but for betraying Jubilee MOU. The reason the 2017 boycott was relatively peaceful is the absence of Ruto and Kalenjin in ODM.
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So you are against Ruto using money to campaign in Kibera - but support ODM use of violence, propaganda against IEBC (reckless dangerous thing) and tribal war cry.
You're just a joke.
Again time is the arbitrator. We will see whose strategy will nail 2022 - Babu (with reputation of a sore loser) and my man - the go-getter Ruto.
Luo iko Dennis Oliech, etc - every region has its glory. The heavy doper has no real talent - no real following. Everywhere he wins on his own - which is actually only Mandera - he has won through doping.
ODM noise about rigging is a rallying cry for Luo. I wonder how Ruto will handle defeat - in referendum or 2022? Oh wait - of course we saw 2008 - and you repeatedly tell us about the quivers. In fact there would be war - not for Ruto the Democrat merely losing - but for betraying Jubilee MOU. The reason the 2017 boycott was relatively peaceful is the absence of Ruto and Kalenjin in ODM.
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There is nothing dangerous about ODM rallying cry. It just kawa politics. That is why there is no law against alleging rigging - while doping is illegal. Of course my stance on violence - unlike your manifesto of quivers - i dropped NASA like it's hot when they started NRM nonsense. Despite backing Babu for PORK.
We don't need to wait for 2022 to kick Ruto behind - Kibra and BBI are in a few weeks. Your rusty legal arguments here - suspension of governors, Jomo statue, BBI - have been hitting a dead wall - it laughable. Wewe ni pundit bandia.
So you are against Ruto using money to campaign in Kibera - but support ODM use of violence, propaganda against IEBC (reckless dangerous thing) and tribal war cry.
You're just a joke.
Again time is the arbitrator. We will see whose strategy will nail 2022 - Babu (with reputation of a sore loser) and my man - the go-getter Ruto.
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My prediction you should care most about - Ruto will win 2022 - and Raila will be dumped by Uhuru.
There is nothing dangerous about ODM rallying cry. It just kawa politics. That is why there is no law against alleging rigging - while doping is illegal. Of course my stance on violence - unlike your manifesto of quivers - i dropped NASA like it's hot when they started NRM nonsense. Despite backing Babu for PORK.
We don't need to wait for 2022 to kick Ruto behind - Kibra and BBI are in a few weeks. Your rusty legal arguments here - suspension of governors, Jomo statue, BBI - have been hitting a dead wall - it laughable. Wewe ni pundit bandia.
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Kibra ulisha surrender :) BBI is at hand - seem now it has receded with the rest of your horizons. That's right - cling to 2022 - cause it's all you got. That and the dodgy "track record".
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My track record speak for itself...that is why I don't change or hide or disappear.The big prize is Ruto 2022.Uhuru already done with his term...he pulled jujistu move that ensure he rules bila fujo and for me has already began retirement.He has no time for politics or politicians..that is a man drawing pension.
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That's ok - hope is more vital than water for humans. Uhuru sponsored Handshake & BBI - to flush Jubilee MOU into the sewer - without facing Ruto wrath. You told us yourself - throughout their first term - how Ruto is very dangerous if scorned. The jujitsu move is on Ruto not Babu. Jomo 2 & Gema are not about to hand over power to Moi 2.0. Uhuru interests are aligned with Babu at present.
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How is that Mariga experiment working out? This is a real test for Ruto 2022. If he wins in Kibra his stock for 2022 will be sky high but if he lose it will all be downhill moving forward. I noticed all luhya politicians have abandoned Mariga, he is on his own well surrounded by empty head kikuyu politicians like that failed musician Jaguar and washed out comedian Kiarie....why would Ruto wish this on Nairobi people. You rig a musician in starehe, a comedian in Dagoretti, a criminal as governor and now a non registered voter in Kibra...what did Nairobi people do to Ruto? Nairobi deserve better representation.
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I will pay an hour's attention to your "track record" - which is pure smoke. Soon - will flush it down the sewer where it belongs.
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That's ok - hope is more vital than water for humans. Uhuru sponsored Handshake & BBI - to flush Jubilee MOU into the sewer - without facing Ruto wrath. You told us yourself - throughout their first term - how Ruto is very dangerous if scorned. The jujitsu move is on Ruto not Babu. Jomo 2 & Gema are not about to hand over power to Moi 2.0. Uhuru interests are aligned with Babu at present.
Well that is one way to look at it.There other way is that Uhuru after Raila boycott of elections knew he was to make life hell on him so why not placate the fool.I still think 2022 is Ruto-Kiunjuri to lose.Uhuru is doing what Moi and Kibaki did to Raila..contain the destructive fool and eventually leave him high & dry.Of course BBI won't happen...just throw the can down like all previous commissions and reports
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How is that Mariga experiment working out? This is a real test for Ruto 2022. If he wins in Kibra his stock for 2022 will be sky high but if he lose it will all be downhill moving forward. I noticed all luhya politicians have abandoned Mariga, he is on his own well surrounded by empty head kikuyu politicians like that failed musician Jaguar and washed out comedian Kiarie....why would Ruto wish this on Nairobi people. You rig a musician in starehe, a comedian in Dagoretti, a criminal as governor and now a non registered voter in Kibra...what did Nairobi people do to Ruto? Nairobi deserve better representation.
Ruto doesn't need to win Kibra.The rest Nairobi will decide.
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How is that Mariga experiment working out? This is a real test for Ruto 2022. If he wins in Kibra his stock for 2022 will be sky high but if he lose it will all be downhill moving forward. I noticed all luhya politicians have abandoned Mariga, he is on his own well surrounded by empty head kikuyu politicians like that failed musician Jaguar and washed out comedian Kiarie....why would Ruto wish this on Nairobi people. You rig a musician in starehe, a comedian in Dagoretti, a criminal as governor and now a non registered voter in Kibra...what did Nairobi people do to Ruto? Nairobi deserve better representation.
I would not rule out instagram-socialite Mariga trailing Owalo when the receipts are turned in.
His campaign is already whining about a scuffle. He is not made for this shit.
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How is that Mariga experiment working out? This is a real test for Ruto 2022. If he wins in Kibra his stock for 2022 will be sky high but if he lose it will all be downhill moving forward. I noticed all luhya politicians have abandoned Mariga, he is on his own well surrounded by empty head kikuyu politicians like that failed musician Jaguar and washed out comedian Kiarie....why would Ruto wish this on Nairobi people. You rig a musician in starehe, a comedian in Dagoretti, a criminal as governor and now a non registered voter in Kibra...what did Nairobi people do to Ruto? Nairobi deserve better representation.
I would not rule out instagram-socialite Mariga trailing Owalo when the receipts are turned in.
His campaign is already whining about a scuffle. He is not made for this shit.
only in odm zones are elections that violent..it something Raila started in 90s.Jaramogi eschewed violence and Raila thought his father was a coward hence 82 coup and his attempts to bulldoze his way to leadership.Elsewhere elections are peaceful.So far ODM have killed two people in kibra.Before Raila even a white man like Philip Leakey won Langata/kibra.The moment Raila landed out of jail he started feeding luo gangs on bhangs and deaths have occurred in every kibra elections...just like it does in Nyanza...leading to rise of thugs as MPs meanwhile in say Kalenjin the average senator or governor is not even 35yrs.Most MPs and MCAs are 20-30yrs old because there is true democracy.You want Mariga to toughen for Raila slum dogs that is crazy and shows your true horrible self.Intimidation through gang and youth violence is signature Raila retrogressive politics and it has not found any traction in kenya.Kibra people need to say enough of that kind of politics by utlizing their secret ballot
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Another dead reported in kilifi btw Aisha Jumwa and ODM
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Mboss si you dumped Ruto so fast. Swifter than MCAs have done with Punguza Mzigo.
How is that Mariga experiment working out? This is a real test for Ruto 2022. If he wins in Kibra his stock for 2022 will be sky high but if he lose it will all be downhill moving forward. I noticed all luhya politicians have abandoned Mariga, he is on his own well surrounded by empty head kikuyu politicians like that failed musician Jaguar and washed out comedian Kiarie....why would Ruto wish this on Nairobi people. You rig a musician in starehe, a comedian in Dagoretti, a criminal as governor and now a non registered voter in Kibra...what did Nairobi people do to Ruto? Nairobi deserve better representation.
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Well that is one way to look at it.There other way is that Uhuru after Raila boycott of elections knew he was to make life hell on him so why not placate the fool.I still think 2022 is Ruto-Kiunjuri to lose.Uhuru is doing what Moi and Kibaki did to Raila..contain the destructive fool and eventually leave him high & dry.Of course BBI won't happen...just throw the can down like all previous commissions and reports
Humbug. Moi did not need to contain Babu. He needed numbers to give himself immunity from prosecution - which "New Kanu" pushed and flopped. It was sunset days - noone would bother to attack outgoing elder - just as noone criticise the dead. Similarly noone can attack vague Uhuru presently. Only the dead and the retiring can be perfect with impunity.
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Well that is one way to look at it.There other way is that Uhuru after Raila boycott of elections knew he was to make life hell on him so why not placate the fool.I still think 2022 is Ruto-Kiunjuri to lose.Uhuru is doing what Moi and Kibaki did to Raila..contain the destructive fool and eventually leave him high & dry.Of course BBI won't happen...just throw the can down like all previous commissions and reports
Humbug. Moi did not need to contain Babu. He needed numbers to give himself immunity from prosecution - which "New Kanu" pushed and flopped. It was sunset days - noone would bother to attack outgoing elder - just as noone criticise the dead. Similarly noone can attack vague Uhuru presently. Only the dead and the retiring can be perfect with impunity.
Uhuru is retiring.Youre hitching your boat on the wrong ship again.Escorting him home..by time you turn in Ichaweri Gatundu Ruto will be firmly in State house.Uhuru will have nailed his legacy as your cheer him all the way.MaDVD at least has some self esteem.Ammending term limits sio mchezo..... assuming Uhuru reluctant as he has been in enjoy this
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only in odm zones are elections that violent..it something Raila started in 90s.Jaramogi eschewed violence and Raila thought his father was a coward hence 82 coup and his attempts to bulldoze his way to leadership.Elsewhere elections are peaceful.So far ODM have killed two people in kibra.Before Raila even a white man like Philip Leakey won Langata/kibra.The moment Raila landed out of jail he started feeding luo gangs on bhangs and deaths have occurred in every kibra elections...just like it does in Nyanza...leading to rise of thugs as MPs meanwhile in say Kalenjin the average senator or governor is not even 35yrs.Most MPs and MCAs are 20-30yrs old because there is true democracy.You want Mariga to toughen for Raila slum dogs that is crazy and shows your true horrible self.Intimidation through gang and youth violence is signature Raila retrogressive politics and it has not found any traction in kenya.Kibra people need to say enough of that kind of politics by utlizing their secret ballot
More humbug. Jomo and his Kanu thugs started violence on poor Luos - KPU - as early as 1966 when Jaramogi decamped from Kanu. There was a mass of by-elections. No single violence was reported entire Nyanza - despite Mboya and Kanu provocation and abuse of GoK apparatus - like VoK and police to block KPU rallies. Jomo invented political violence just as he invented elite corruption. Moi fuatad Nyayo by doubling down on violence, detentions, torture, name it - and formalizing sleaze as "harambee". Moi would butcher Kikuyus in Molo and Timboroa every election - 1992 and 1997. Ruto - with PEV under his belt and the manifesto of quivers - has perfected violence and sleaze as political tools. The Luo got nothing on the Kalenjin and the Kikuyu when it comes to violence and graft.
The youngest MP is from Meru. ODM is the most progressive in terms of women and youth. Complete with women and youth leagues. And senior women leaders in the NEC.
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Ruto needs kibra like the desert needs the rain. If it was not so he would not be doling out money in Karen like he is. I have seen the tapes. Really sad
How is that Mariga experiment working out? This is a real test for Ruto 2022. If he wins in Kibra his stock for 2022 will be sky high but if he lose it will all be downhill moving forward. I noticed all luhya politicians have abandoned Mariga, he is on his own well surrounded by empty head kikuyu politicians like that failed musician Jaguar and washed out comedian Kiarie....why would Ruto wish this on Nairobi people. You rig a musician in starehe, a comedian in Dagoretti, a criminal as governor and now a non registered voter in Kibra...what did Nairobi people do to Ruto? Nairobi deserve better representation.
Ruto doesn't need to win Kibra.The rest Nairobi will decide.
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Ruto needs another huge tribe to combine with Kalenjin to be competitive. Kibaki, Ouru and Raila has done that to run competitive elections. According to his earlier plans, by now he should have rallied the Kikuyu solidly behind him and on his way to get the Kamba, or the Luhyia and then split the rest. He is going the opposite directions from winning. He has definitely lost his grip on GEMA, no hold on Kamba, Luhyia or Kisii. Mariga was a test on his Luhyia strength but as someone observed, no Luyhia leaders are not trooping to Ruto.
How is that Mariga experiment working out? This is a real test for Ruto 2022. If he wins in Kibra his stock for 2022 will be sky high but if he lose it will all be downhill moving forward. I noticed all luhya politicians have abandoned Mariga, he is on his own well surrounded by empty head kikuyu politicians like that failed musician Jaguar and washed out comedian Kiarie....why would Ruto wish this on Nairobi people. You rig a musician in starehe, a comedian in Dagoretti, a criminal as governor and now a non registered voter in Kibra...what did Nairobi people do to Ruto? Nairobi deserve better representation.
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Mariga is so dumb. They will milk him dry. He is already running low on cash na bado 3 more weeks to go.
How is that Mariga experiment working out? This is a real test for Ruto 2022. If he wins in Kibra his stock for 2022 will be sky high but if he lose it will all be downhill moving forward. I noticed all luhya politicians have abandoned Mariga, he is on his own well surrounded by empty head kikuyu politicians like that failed musician Jaguar and washed out comedian Kiarie....why would Ruto wish this on Nairobi people. You rig a musician in starehe, a comedian in Dagoretti, a criminal as governor and now a non registered voter in Kibra...what did Nairobi people do to Ruto? Nairobi deserve better representation.
I would not rule out instagram-socialite Mariga trailing Owalo when the receipts are turned in.
His campaign is already whining about a scuffle. He is not made for this shit.
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Pundit has done a 180 on Kibra - as he did with Punguza - after smelling defeat.
Ruto needs kibra like the desert needs the rain. If it was not so he would not be doling out money in Karen like he is. I have seen the tapes. Really sad
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Yes Ruto has a penchant for test runs. He earlier tried to hawk Eugene Wamalwa in Nairobi but was scared by Sonko. Mariga and Kibra was a poor call because it obscures the by-election into a 2022 curtain-raiser. It will not be accurate or fair to view a Mariga loss as a lack of traction in Luhya. More a test of hubris and the power of money. In any case Luhya just like Kamba vote 90% Babu then split the downstream ballot. Hence Sakaja and Sonko. They are not an easy measure like say Luo or Kikuyu.
Yes Ruto banked a solid 54% brimming with Kalenjin and Kikuyu as at March 8th, 2018. Babu raided the bank. Now he is staring at a disaster - fighting for Kikuyu with Uhuru. Kamba with a Kamba son. Kisii with a Kisii superstar... now it's YK 92 all over again. He won Wajir by-election by brazenly bribing out the competition. Jubilee guy - an ODM defector - was virtually unopposed - after the fresh ODM nominee withdrew his candidature. This to Pundit is a "win" and a testament of Ruto genius.
Ruto needs another huge tribe to combine with Kalenjin to be competitive. Kibaki, Ouru and Raila has done that to run competitive elections. According to his earlier plans, by now he should have rallied the Kikuyu solidly behind him and on his way to get the Kamba, or the Luhyia and then split the rest. He is going the opposite directions from winning. He has definitely lost his grip on GEMA, no hold on Kamba, Luhyia or Kisii. Mariga was a test on his Luhyia strength but as someone observed, no Luyhia leaders are not trooping to Ruto.
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Aisha Jumwa should be charged with murder or manslaughter. Aisha jumwa motor mouth and reckless behavior will be her undoing.
Another dead reported in kilifi btw Aisha Jumwa and ODM
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Uhuru I am tired and want to go back to the pub https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-10-16-i-dont-want-a-post-uhuru-says-on-bbi-claims/