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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on October 05, 2019, 01:45:10 PM
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https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-10-05-ruto-is-uhurus-judas-goat-underrate-him-at-your-peril/
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Such shallow analysis. Must be one of your monikers. Anyway let's see Kibra another small test after Punguza flopped badly. Am sure you will outdo yourself with stories about Ruto only dipping Babu waters. As you did with Punguza. BBI ultimately will tell us how is the lay of the land.
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Ken Ouko is a well known UON proffesor
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Ken ouko well known pedofile and child molester. Always preying on poor students. Founding member of youth for kanu '92. Its sad to see these kind of charlatans, drowning in moral sewer coalesce around hope of Ruto presidency.
Ken Ouko is a well known UON proffesor
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patel yawa. Go slow on Pundit - he is a born-again, baptised and committed disciple. So he peddles strange stuff to aid the cause with zero evidence. Ruto is trustworthy. Ruto is visionary. BBI is illegal. Uhuru is playing Babu. Korir is Babu's MP. Arati is Uhuru's MP. Mariga is a superstar so there will be no tribalism in Kibra vote. Unicorns are real...
It is delusional to imagine a Ruto presidency would be better than Sodom & Gomorrah. Dude has already corrupted everyone including the clergy.
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Just keep talking for now because soon you'll disappear in great shame.Your naviety trump's Raila. Meanwhile Ruto has spent 500m on churches alone this year.Na bado.Youll really hate the guy for sharing his loot unlike Uhuru or Raila who don't.
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Along the loss-minting SGR and wartorn Jogoo Party - Ruto's big achievement is democratizing sleaze all the way to Wanjiku and Khadija.
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Along the loss-minting SGR and wartorn Jogoo Party - Ruto's big achievement is democratizing sleaze all the way to Wanjiku and Khadija.
Too early to write Ruto epithah.That surely is Uhuru legacy..Kenya biggest infrastructure expansion. World fastest electrification.Doubling of all paved roads.Moving Kenya from 120 in ease of doing business to now surely top 50.Growing the economy from 50b to 100B by consistently growing it at 6%.Fixing insecurity through cameras and investing in police.Fixing largely broken society that was charecterized by drug abuse, exam cheating and even betting....now even in Kiambu.. alcoholism is under wraps.From Kenya will be a pariah because of ICC...Kenya emerged strong from neocolonialism.. nobody even know who US ambassador is now.Nobody cares about UK high commissioner who normally acted like a colonial governor.The icing on the cake uniting ethnic communities that were at war and taming Raila.Show me a party or candidate running on 2nd term that improves it numbers by those margins and then wait for Ruto to be elected by super majority...to get a clear and overwhelming mandate in 2022 to continue jubilee transformative agenda.Kamanda that was beaten by musician cannot bring war to Jubilee neither can Raila groupies like Maore, Gunjiiri and Shebes... hiyo ni kicheko biggest.They don't even know they are being used to tame Raila and will be left high and dry
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I am sure you have all kinds of insights about Uhuru plans. Kenya will be developed when virtually everyone is corrupted. If you don't see the delusion in this thinking then you got nothing on old hand Kamanda or even Wanjiku. Stockholm syndrome is well known malady - the main symptom is victim defends and covers up for the oppressor.
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I am sure you have all kinds of insights about Uhuru plans. Kenya will be developed when virtually everyone is corrupted. If you don't see the delusion in this thinking then you got nothing on old hand Kamanda or even Wanjiku. Stockholm syndrome is well known malady - the main symptom is victim defends and covers up for the oppressor.
I am sure you have all kinds of insights about Uhuru plans. Kenya will be developed when virtually everyone is corrupted. If you don't see the delusion in this thinking then you got nothing on old hand Kamanda or even Wanjiku. Stockholm syndrome is well known malady - the main symptom is victim defends and covers up for the oppressor.
Uhuru like all political class is an open book.Just read it.What I care mostly is the result or the outputs.I am not an omnipotent or omnipresent or omniknowledagble GOD to know what xyz does..so basically I am going to judge them by the results of their actions.Jubilee have done so well I will happily vote for them again.Those who know where Kenya has come from..and where it says is now...will not hesitate to vote Jubilee again.Every idiot in Nairobi can clearly see Sonko has done way better than kidero.So if we have another Sonko v Kidero duel I don't need rocket science to predict a Sonko win.The city is cleaner, way better organized and developing than previously.The message that Ruto is sending is like Bill Gates.. philanthropy.Harambre.We know you have made money but share it...Kenyattas will not take it to hell..So if they can throw back 10% of the money that would be helpful.Dont be like kibaki whose kind died in penury
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Such simplistic reasoning. That Ruto is comparable to Bill Gates is shocking ignorance. Gates solves real problems. Ruto spreads the gospel of corruption to the masses. If you acknowledge the evils wrought by graft - insecurity, inequality, accidents, deforestation, strife, the endless abyss - you don't need to be literate to see how its democratisation plays out. I mean, barely a week ago you were pasting Quora here - on how lack of ethos stymies development in Africa. Kenya was not always like this - where folks see a capsized beer truck as early Christmas. 1970 or 80 MPs were principled. These Judases that hawk loyalty are a product of Moi backwardness. Saying he is building the country while carting cash in the boot to give kids. TKK was Moi's biggest achievement - spreading graft to the entire state bureaucracy. The Kenyattas and Kibaki while dirty have not dragged Wanjiku into the muddy sty. Ruto of course is much worse than Moi and is the worst thing that could happen to Kenya.
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Ruto 'output' is like a beautiful girl with a brain tumor. The 'development' is laden with landmines. I mean if you agree investing in manpower - education or TIVET - is great. How can you not see the downside in corrupting an entire generation? We have priests now lining up for bloodmoney. I gave you the parable of the forbidden fruit. Or Pandora's Box. This is a powder keg.
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Such simplistic reasoning. That Ruto is comparable to Bill Gates is shocking ignorance. Gates solves real problems. Ruto spreads the gospel of corruption to the masses. If you acknowledge the evils wrought by graft - insecurity, inequality, accidents, deforestation, strife, the endless abyss - you don't need to be literate to see how its democratisation plays out. I mean, barely a week ago you were pasting Quora here - on how lack of ethos stymies development in Africa. Kenya was not always like this - where folks see a capsized beer truck as early Christmas. 1970 or 80 MPs were principled. These Judases that hawk loyalty are a product of Moi backwardness. Saying he is building the country while carting cash in the boot to give kids. TKK was Moi's biggest achievement - spreading graft to the entire state bureaucracy. The Kenyattas and Kibaki while dirty have not dragged Wanjiku into the muddy sty. Ruto of course is much worse than Moi and is the worst thing that could happen to Kenya.
:D When Robina comes for you, she takes no prisoners, lol. Anyway, I heard the same thing too: We were not always this rotten. We've gotten progressively worse.
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https://www.espn.com/espn/eticket/story?page=kenya
Read this story and understand why pundit is indorcated to believe ruto can do no wrong. Tribal nationalism manifests itself in a lot of ways. Pundit has lost any objectivity when it comes to ruto. If the locals in RV are this diehard prepare for a bloody 2022. As matter of the silence in riftvalley should concern everyone. Thanks gods it is raining other wise the economic hardships and drought could even make worries more jittery
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Nonesense. Ruto didn't start fundraising in kenya. Harambee was started by Jomo kenyatta and is now a kenyan sub-culture - you'll hardly find anywhere else - but it been responsible for building so many schools, churches and other such activities.
Such simplistic reasoning. That Ruto is comparable to Bill Gates is shocking ignorance. Gates solves real problems. Ruto spreads the gospel of corruption to the masses. If you acknowledge the evils wrought by graft - insecurity, inequality, accidents, deforestation, strife, the endless abyss - you don't need to be literate to see how its democratisation plays out. I mean, barely a week ago you were pasting Quora here - on how lack of ethos stymies development in Africa. Kenya was not always like this - where folks see a capsized beer truck as early Christmas. 1970 or 80 MPs were principled. These Judases that hawk loyalty are a product of Moi backwardness. Saying he is building the country while carting cash in the boot to give kids. TKK was Moi's biggest achievement - spreading graft to the entire state bureaucracy. The Kenyattas and Kibaki while dirty have not dragged Wanjiku into the muddy sty. Ruto of course is much worse than Moi and is the worst thing that could happen to Kenya.
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:D When Robina comes for you, she takes no prisoners, lol. Anyway, I heard the same thing too: We were not always this rotten. We've gotten progressively worse.
:) what is your take on Ruto as Kenya's Bill Gates?
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:D When Robina comes for you, she takes no prisoners, lol. Anyway, I heard the same thing too: We were not always this rotten. We've gotten progressively worse.
:) what is your take on Ruto as Kenya's Bill Gates?
Brought stealing into the information age? I mean NYS used gunias, but there was IFMIS manipulation behind it :D.
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:D When Robina comes for you, she takes no prisoners, lol. Anyway, I heard the same thing too: We were not always this rotten. We've gotten progressively worse.
:) what is your take on Ruto as Kenya's Bill Gates?
Brought stealing into the information age? I mean NYS used gunias, but there was IFMIS manipulation behind it :D.
:D it's one way of viewing the matter. Bill Gates stands for innovation, entrepreneurship, digital revolution, philanthropy but most importantly HARDWORK. Now a man who is so great and visionary that he needs billions of loot to beat an octogenarian and a lineup of incompetents. I struggle to find the adjectives to paint the picture. You would need a new English to say Kamlesh Pattni or Baktar Akasha is hardworking. Only bible parables and ancient myths fit the bill.
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The Octogenarian who was trying to overthrow govs before you were born.
:D it's one way of viewing the matter. Bill Gates stands for innovation, entrepreneurship, digital revolution, philanthropy but most importantly HARDWORK. Now a man who is so great and visionary that he needs billions of loot to beat an octogenarian and a lineup of incompetents. I struggle to find the adjectives to paint the picture. You would need a new English to say Kamlesh Pattni or Baktar Akasha is hardworking. Only bible parables and ancient myths fit the bill.
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:D When Robina comes for you, she takes no prisoners, lol. Anyway, I heard the same thing too: We were not always this rotten. We've gotten progressively worse.
:) what is your take on Ruto as Kenya's Bill Gates?
:D That's a funny one. We know Bill Gates donates his own money, anyway. Not loot.
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Point is you can't wind your morals like a majira clock. You no longer believe in abuse of power via intimidation, selective arrests, etc - because Ruto is on the receiving end. If Ruto went broke - you would equally discover graft is evil and people must win on merit.
The Octogenarian who was trying to overthrow govs before you were born.
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I started noticing Ruto in 2001 - and I don't think he has changed a bit. I don't money buy support - on it's own. Moi tried to shore up his support in RV by outspending Ruto but didn't work. Ruto has so many talents going for him. He is the most effective propagandist per excellence for once. He is brilliant political operator to say the least. You need a message...Ruto now has message..hustler nation.
I remember days Ruto would line up in Kulei office to collect fundraising money - but Ruto has always tried to do fundraising every weekend.
In 2011 - there was this usual complains about Ruto wealth - then he was mere MP (Raila had fired him I think) and but was busy fundraising every week. Politically speaking in Kenya - nothing works like fundraising - whether you're MCA or MP --- people will remember the guy that is always there contributing to fix practical issues.
The same way Raila never miss a funeral. He came to my village only once - for a funeral. I am not sure what attract Raila to funerals - the dead people? the graves? the crowd of mourners.
Point is you can't wind your morals like a majira clock. You no longer believe in abuse of power via intimidation, selective arrests, etc - because Ruto is on the receiving end. If Ruto went broke - you would equally discover graft is evil and people must win on merit.
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:D That's a funny one. We know Bill Gates donates his own money, anyway. Not loot.
We apply parables and myths in the Ruto classics because in faith or fiction you must suspend logic and believe a burning chariot carried Elisha or Joshua to heaven. You cannot question why they didn't simply ascend like Jesus. Or a myth like Pandora wherein a mischievous couple changed mankind's fate by opening a jar. If you suspend your reason for a minute you will see how hardworking Ruto really is.
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Robin Hood used to steal from the poor and give everything he stole to the poor. Ruto steals from the poor and gives about 10% back to the poor.
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Pundit labels you disillusioned. I say he is unhinged. Anything goes, like the savages where merit and rules have no meaning.
Robin Hood used to steal from the poor and give everything he stole to the poor. Ruto steals from the poor and gives about 10% back to the poor.
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Noone cares about Ruto's talents or achievements provided they don't include spreading cancer. Moi poisoned the bureaucracy - progressively people had to pay extra for public services. Roadblocks and chief offices became cashiers. But Wanjiku remained innocent... until the snake entered the garden. Now priests think blood can go down with sakaramendi.
I started noticing Ruto in 2001 - and I don't think he has changed a bit. I don't money buy support - on it's own. Moi tried to shore up his support in RV by outspending Ruto but didn't work. Ruto has so many talents going for him. He is the most effective propagandist per excellence for once. He is brilliant political operator to say the least. You need a message...Ruto now has message..hustler nation.
I remember days Ruto would line up in Kulei office to collect fundraising money - but Ruto has always tried to do fundraising every weekend.
In 2011 - there was this usual complains about Ruto wealth - then he was mere MP (Raila had fired him I think) and but was busy fundraising every week. Politically speaking in Kenya - nothing works like fundraising - whether you're MCA or MP --- people will remember the guy that is always there contributing to fix practical issues.
The same way Raila never miss a funeral. He came to my village only once - for a funeral. I am not sure what attract Raila to funerals - the dead people? the graves? the crowd of mourners.
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All our politicians are thieves. Some are blue collar thieves like Ruto, Raila and Uhuru - some are even highway robbers like Kalembe - some are drug barons like Joho, Mwau, Kabogos -others are land thieves like Kamanda, Waitutu, Sonko - others have run ponzi schemes - I mean nearly all our politician join politics because they have the money.
At end of the day - those that share their loot - are seen to be caring & compassionate - like Sonko & Ruto are perceived - not corrupt - because face it Raila is corrupt - just as well as Ruto.
Robin Hood used to steal from the poor and give everything he stole to the poor. Ruto steals from the poor and gives about 10% back to the poor.
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Who is the richest man or family in kenya. Kenyattas. We know they are not Bill Gates and didn't design or developed Windows. The same is true for Odingas, Mois and the whole lot.
Ruto has chosen to give...his 10% loot. I don't know why you think by giving - he is encouraging people to steal :) That some strange logic.
The same strange doublespeak we have become accosted to from ODM - where Babu is clean as whistle - and everyone else is dirty - despite evidence to the contrary. :D
We will find out soon who's message resonates with people. Moi despite all the evils built a lot of schools and hospitals from the Harambee spirit. You may say corruption became a big problem - but contemporary africa countries had even serious issues like civil war, genocide and instability...so cut Moi some slack and do remember to celebrate Moi Day come thursday :D
And the theme of Moi Day is selfless giving :) Visit some children home and donate. Or well attend an harambee near you and donate.
Maybe you were too young in Moi days - but Harambee - then was official part of corruption - where Moi would be receiving donations from companies and individuals - for his favourite harambees. In every gov office - there would be Harambee cards - where you were coerced to contribute. Some Harambees were actually complusory - well they did help build schools, hospitals, gov facilities - but clearly gov had abdicated her role - and Harambee had become official means to development. Thanks to CDF - we now don't have harambees for schools - these are now mainly church activities.
Now that was BAD HARAMBEE.
RUto harambee is very tame. He takes his money and contributes. There are no people at least publicly linning up to 'escort' Ruto as Guest of Honour or Harambee cards in gov office - where Ruto is seeking donation for his next harambee. He is using his own money. If you want to question where it came - DCI or EACC - are way to go.
Noone cares about Ruto's talents or achievements provided they don't include spreading cancer. Moi poisoned the bureaucracy - progressively people had to pay extra for public services. Roadblocks and chief offices became cashiers. But Wanjiku remained innocent... until the snake entered the garden. Now priests think blood can go down with sakaramendi.
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That's an ok abstract on the origin of TKK. I got abit lost where Ruto harambee is somehow better. Jomo, Uhuru, Kibaki or Babu are thieves yes - but they are born misers as Ebenezer Scrooge who skipped Christmas to save money. For some reason you see their meanness as a bad thing - that is our point of departure. We don't let our kids hang with the wrong company because we know they pick up on it. We even set "PG" on the wrong TV shows. The impressionable youth watch and learn from the leaders in society. Commonsense.
Who is the richest man or family in kenya. Kenyattas. We know they are not Bill Gates and didn't design or developed Windows. The same is true for Odingas, Mois and the whole lot.
Ruto has chosen to give...his 10% loot. I don't know why you think by giving - he is encouraging people to steal :) That some strange logic.
The same strange doublespeak we have become accosted to from ODM - where Babu is clean as whistle - and everyone else is dirty - despite evidence to the contrary. :D
We will find out soon who's message resonates with people. Moi despite all the evils built a lot of schools and hospitals from the Harambee spirit. You may say corruption became a big problem - but contemporary africa countries had even serious issues like civil war, genocide and instability...so cut Moi some slack and do remember to celebrate Moi Day come thursday :D
And the theme of Moi Day is selfless giving :) Visit some children home and donate. Or well attend an harambee near you and donate.
Maybe you were too young in Moi days - but Harambee - then was official part of corruption - where Moi would be receiving donations from companies and individuals - for his favourite harambees. In every gov office - there would be Harambee cards - where you were coerced to contribute. Some Harambees were actually complusory - well they did help build schools, hospitals, gov facilities - but clearly gov had abdicated her role - and Harambee had become official means to development. Thanks to CDF - we now don't have harambees for schools - these are now mainly church activities.
Now that was BAD HARAMBEE.
RUto harambee is very tame. He takes his money and contributes. There are no people at least publicly linning up to 'escort' Ruto as Guest of Honour or Harambee cards in gov office - where Ruto is seeking donation for his next harambee. He is using his own money. If you want to question where it came - DCI or EACC - are way to go.
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Today standard my Kenya unhappy with parliamentary system
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/amp/article/2001345128/why-raila-s-push-for-pm-post-is-causing-jitters-in-mt-kenya
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Mt Kenya's choice would depend on Uhuru. If he is billed as Exec PM it's a done deal. Demographic trends of dwindling Gema headcount would also come up. Anyway all Kenyans would vote not just Central as in this narrow analysis. Other regions would support parliamentary for the very reason touted here: it contains the tyranny of numbers.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001338025/ruto-will-suffer-big-loss-if-we-have-a-bbi-plebiscite
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Uhuru you believe is seeking to extend his term and will fall for Exec PM in a parliamentary system. That is nice theory. But GEMA like Kuria explained have bad deal in parliamentary - 64 seats out of 290 (or is 349) - is pretty bad - about 20%. Kalenjin have about 54mps I think.
In 2013 - when Ruto was yellow - Urp had 72mps - TNA 85 - and ODM 96 mps.
In 2017 - I think Jubilee have 140mps (17 something if you add women rep) - while ODM has gone down to 59 mps now.
Anyway a parliamentary system will see Ruto or Duale become exec PM - because I strongly believe Ruto (Jubilee) party will come tops. There will be frenzy to form coalitions...and we will be in such unstable gov...we will in permanent crisis.
Mt Kenya's choice would depend on Uhuru. If he is billed as Exec PM it's a done deal. Demographic trends of dwindling Gema headcount would also come up. Anyway all Kenyans would vote not just Central as in this narrow analysis. Other regions would support parliamentary for the very reason touted here: it contains the tyranny of numbers.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001338025/ruto-will-suffer-big-loss-if-we-have-a-bbi-plebiscite
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Parliamentary is more accountable and equitable model. Not presidential which only 2 tribes dominate. With more devolution it would be an easy sell outside Kalenjin and Kikuyu.
About Gema, last time Jomo handed to Moi - he was honey-tongued until he became a python after consolidating power. 25 years of another Moi is a bigger scarecrow than number of MPs. I keep hearing Uhuru wants to go home - can't be Exec PM :) - cause somehow only Ruto has the oomph. That's hubris and very condescending. Atwolis and Kalonzos have told us he is going nowhere. Anyway we will cross that bridge when we get there.