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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on September 06, 2019, 10:48:15 AM
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Look like it's doomed from get go. Probably by design. Civil society don't mince their words down here..
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https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Group-dismisses-BBI-as-a-deal-between-two-individuals/1056-5262848-f1rky6z/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2nssXBwyr7PfzRo87l4XlVz3a_kJB1TmNp_8GP7aHgD20m6oCguwf-sF4
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You can say all those things or worse about Punguza Mzigo. They did not even hold a single public hearing to come up with their proposals. How are they any better? At least BBI is formed by two leaders with popular mandate - Aukot represents 0.5% of Kenya.
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BBI is illegal ab initio.Its funded by illegal vote.PMI has followed the law to amend Katiba thro popular initiative.The rest is robina predictable matapikos.BBI cannot be cured.Judiciary will stop them eventually.Their recommendations whatever they will be are illegal.Uhuru should have formed an inquiry commission with well defined terms instead that thing that civil society have aptly described as waste of time and resources.I think Uhuru is playing Raila for the fool he is... Jubilee the largest political party didn't even bother with it.
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Pundit you are wrong BBI is not illegal. There is no law saying how questions should be decided. Who is funding PMI? We don't know and that's the whole point. The bar was set so low to ensure GoK or MPs don't stifle genuine change. GoK funds many things - and you can sue Treasury or AG but that doesn't invalidate the recipient. Aukot sat in his house and wrote down questions - Haji crew went around the counties. The law kicks in at signatures, not before. PMI could funded by Ruto's bloodmoney or some drug dealer and that won't affect it's legality.
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BBI is illegal ab initio.Its funded by illegal vote.PMI has followed the law to amend Katiba thro popular initiative.The rest is robina predictable matapikos.BBI cannot be cured.Judiciary will stop them eventually.Their recommendations whatever they will be are illegal.Uhuru should have formed an inquiry commission with well defined terms instead that thing that civil society have aptly described as waste of time and resources.I think Uhuru is playing Raila for the fool he is... Jubilee the largest political party didn't even bother with it.
I said it already, the comical rebirth and reprogramming of this Nipate tribalist. Now you believe in the very civil society you were screaming about during ICC.. You baptized them evil society sijui wakora network. You sound like Murconman or Sudi. I wish there was an anti-dote for Stockholm syndrome. Get your head out of Ruto's rear. Huyu jambazi sio babako.
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You're incapable of independent thinking. Like I said civil society have been in bed with Raila. But BBI is a skunk nobody serious want to be associated with it. I think you're probably it's only proponent :)
I said it already, the comical rebirth and reprogramming of this Nipate tribalist. Now you believe in the very civil society you were screaming about during ICC.. You baptized them evil society sijui wakora network. You sound like Murconman or Sudi. I wish there was an anti-dote for Stockholm syndrome. Get your head out of Ruto's rear. Huyu jambazi sio babako.
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Pundit and your half-baked logic. So which law backs PMI that somehow doesn't support BBI? I know you're invested in the cheap narrative about Uhuru playing Babu. Hope springs eternal.
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You're incapable of independent thinking. Like I said civil society have been in bed with Raila. But BBI is a skunk nobody serious want to be associated with it. I think you're probably it's only proponent :)
I saw many folks presenting memoranda and suggestions to BBI. Kiraitus, Johos and Nyong'os. Even unions and women groups. I am yet to see a single public sitting of Aukot. The day you sober up from Ruto kool-aid and voodoo will be the beginning of your independent thinking.
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Whatever BBI do is illegal. Even if they collect views and name it. The judiciary will end that charade as soon as someone goes to court.
PMI has followed the constitution to the letter. That is why it been impossible to stop them via judiciary.
PMI proponents sat down and drafted their bill. They then collected at least 1M signatures in support of the draft bill. Then they forwarded those signatures to IEBC for verification. IEBC have then forwarded the draft bill to the County Assemblies.
County Assemblies have invited Aukot to explain the bill. Counties have also done public participation before putting a vote. I can show you many examples of those public participation.
One such example from my facebook.
I saw many folks presenting memoranda and suggestions to BBI. Kiraitus, Johos and Nyong'os. Even unions and women groups. I am yet to see a single public sitting of Aukot. The day you sober up from Ruto kool-aid and voodoo will be the beginning of your independent thinking.
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Apart from Siaya - which is Raila home county - County Assemblies are doing their job - ticking all the boxes. The last hope for BBI is for parliament never to debate this - a formality - because once they reject it - referendum will start.
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Public participation in Uasin Gishu. This thing is now basically unstoppable. BBI will have to start a fresh.....but they will still be challenged in court....because their entire process was faulty from get go.
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What BBI - calls public participation - are near secret forums organized by Prov Administration - with participants carefully selected by the same Prov Admin - as Civil Society says - they do not even have forwarding address or even an email address.
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Pundit, what you're not telling us, is what exactly is illegal about BBI. They are yet to draft a bill, then collect signatures and the shebang. You only say they are funded by Exchequer - how does that make it illegal? No law or katiba clause says anything about funding. You can sue AG or Treasury and that would not invalidate BBI. If some Omtata busy-body were to question PMI funding - which law would they cite? In short, Aukot skipped the public views gathering because it is not a requirement. They are being politically attacked on that basis - it is a one-man show. BBI when referendum comes will claim to be people-driven because they held meetings in every county. And no, it was all on TV so they were not secret meetings.
Ngoja PMI ifike Parliament tuone. Unlike Raila who openly backs BBI, Ruto cannot openly throw his weight behind PMI incase it becomes stillborn. Aukot is heading nowhere - get ready to wear No T-shirt.
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Read the first post in this thread. You'll understand why BBI is doomed. It was doomed from get go. It cannot be salvaged. It was DESIGNED TO FAIL. I think Uhuru is playing Raila. We shall see who is right. What I know - Aukot referendum may have got to a point of no return.
My theory remain that Uhuru is most likely buying peace and time - and will leave Raila high & dry soon. He won't be the first one to do this. Moi did it - with Uhuru & Ruto well aware of the game. And so did Kibaki.
When the deal is too good think TWICE. Basically BBI is raila baby - whatever he wants - BOMAS draft - he has it :) :). There is no negotiation or arguments - in fact he has been allowed to stuff I think 10 ODM/NASA - versus 4 Jubilee members in BBI :)
Pundit, what you're not telling us, is what exactly is illegal about BBI. They are yet to draft a bill, then collect signatures and the shebang. You only say they are funded by Exchequer - how does that make it illegal? No law or katiba clause says anything about funding. You can sue AG or Treasury and that would not invalidate BBI. If some Omtata busy-body were to question PMI funding - which law would they cite? In short, Aukot skipped the public views gathering because it is not a requirement. They are being politically attacked on that basis - it is a one-man show. BBI when referendum comes will claim to be people-driven because they held meetings in every county. And no, it was all on TV so they were not secret meetings.
Ngoja PMI ifike Parliament tuone. Unlike Raila who openly backs BBI, Ruto cannot openly throw his weight behind PMI incase it becomes stillborn. Aukot is heading nowhere - get ready to wear No T-shirt.
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You can spin all theories about Raila being played - and your proof is in the future - so we cannot question it. All we can see live on HD is your boy's desperation as Uhuru wages war of attrition. Ruto has thrown all tantrums about the Handshake and BBI - and they still continue - I think Kalenjin counties boycotted BBI.
Both PMI and BBI are legal. BBI has not reached signature stage - no law governs anything before that. Civil society is not a court so theirs is only an opinion. Duale opposes PMI - his opinion is just that. Donge?
The difference is - who has bigger political muscle to push through parliament. Mbadi and Duale already fired the warning shots... comes down to Ruto vs Uhuru+Raila numbers on the floor. My money is on BBI.
Read the first post in this thread. You'll understand why BBI is doomed. It was doomed from get go. It cannot be salvaged. I think Uhuru is playing Raila. We shall see who is right. What I know - Aukot referendum may have got to a point of no return.
My theory remain that Uhuru is most likely buying peace and time - and will leave Raila high & dry soon. He won't be the first one to do this. Moi did it - with Uhuru & Ruto well aware of the game. And so did Kibaki.
When the deal is too good think TWICE. Basically BBI is raila baby - whatever he wants - BOMAS draft - he has it :) :)
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Uhuru is a system. He has Nancy-KIbicho working on one project (BBI) and while he has other people trying out other ideas. Even Moi when he was playing Raila - he made Raila's KANU sec general - didn't he?The war against Ruto could be part of the facade :).
Again that future is not very far. BBI will come up with it's recommendation. People will rush to court to declare it illegal. Parliament will kill it. Duale is majority leader but Ruto runs parliament( majority of MPS listen to Ruto). Uhuru will continue buying time, as he stashes more money and rules unchallenged like one party state - very genius move - Raila would be out there civil society groupies making noises..
Raila will get frustrated - and start OKOA Kenya signature collection again - but he will struggle to get even 1M voters to sign. Jubilee including Mt Kenya want nothing to do with BMI. That leave him and his fellow desperado looking for signature maybe in Luo & Ukambani.
You can spin all theories about Raila being played - and your proof is in the future - so we cannot question it. All we can see live on HD is your boy's desperation as Uhuru wages war of attrition. Ruto has thrown all tantrums about the Handshake and BBI - and they still continue - I think Kalenjin counties boycotted BBI.
Both PMI and BBI are legal. BBI has not reached signature stage - no law governs anything before that. Civil society is not a court so theirs is only an opinion. Duale opposes PMI - his opinion is just that. Donge?
The difference is - who has bigger political muscle to push through parliament. Mbadi and Duale already fired the warning shots... comes down to Ruto vs Uhuru+Raila numbers on the floor. My money is on BBI.
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You have been singing Kibicho this Jezebel that. As Waititu, Itumbis and such Ruto groupies face the music. It's why it's called THEORY - it's English translation for Kitendawili :) - wishful thinking not backed by reality. Duale is big fish in Tanga Tanga - yet he openly oppose PMI and back parliamentary. There must be a strange parliament you are referring to - Nandi County Assembly perhaps? - these certified Judases are not going to gut themselves by approving the guillotine. We call them MPigs for a reason.
Uhuru is a system. He has Nancy-KIbicho working on one project (BBI) and while he has other people trying out other ideas. Even Moi when he was playing Raila - he made Raila's KANU sec general - didn't he?The war against Ruto could be part of the facade :).
Again that future is not very far. BBI will come up with it's recommendation. People will rush to court to declare it illegal. Parliament will kill it. Duale is majority leader but Ruto runs parliament( majority of MPS listen to Ruto). Uhuru will continue buying time, as he stashes more money and rules unchallenged like one party state - very genius move - Raila would be out there civil society groupies making noises..
Raila will get frustrated - and start OKOA Kenya signature collection again - but he will struggle to get even 1M voters to sign. Jubilee including Mt Kenya want nothing to do with BMI. That leave him and his fellow desperado looking for signature maybe in Luo & Ukambani.
You can spin all theories about Raila being played - and your proof is in the future - so we cannot question it. All we can see live on HD is your boy's desperation as Uhuru wages war of attrition. Ruto has thrown all tantrums about the Handshake and BBI - and they still continue - I think Kalenjin counties boycotted BBI.
Both PMI and BBI are legal. BBI has not reached signature stage - no law governs anything before that. Civil society is not a court so theirs is only an opinion. Duale opposes PMI - his opinion is just that. Donge?
The difference is - who has bigger political muscle to push through parliament. Mbadi and Duale already fired the warning shots... comes down to Ruto vs Uhuru+Raila numbers on the floor. My money is on BBI.
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Pundit just use Google Translate - theory mean kitendawili :)
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When Kikuyus support Bomas draft wake me up.Duale even Ruto would support that parliamentary system before Uhuru &Mt Kenya.Kalenjin MPs are nearly 60.GEMA MPs are nearly 67mps.The votes is something else...GEMA have double kalenjin votes.Pastoralist that Duale hope to win gets a good deal with parliamentary system.In Ruto gov Duale will be defacto PM.He won't mess it now.Again when the deal is too good think twice.In a parliamentary system Ruto will easily nick the same way he controls parliament.But it ain't happening.GEMA are not about to accept a system that forever disadvantage them.
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MP's are the biggest loser in PMI - they are the mzigo - wake me up when they become selfless. You think they care about Ruto above themselves. I mean why is Duale attacking PMI - is he not Ruto right hand man? Why can't Ruto openly back PMI - since it's so popular? Which MP even in Tanga Tanga backs PMI - just senators who want to become upper house - and MCAs for obvious reason. National Assembly will sit on PMI and approve BBI - that's almost a guarantee. Let's see if Ruto can use his numbers to scuttle it - so far his frog noises have failed to stop the cow. With Duale, Mbadi and Muturi - BBI has smooth sailing.
When Kikuyus support Bomas draft wake me up.Duale even Ruto would support that parliamentary system before Uhuru &Mt Kenya.Kalenjin MPs are nearly 60.GEMA MPs are nearly 67mps.The votes is something else...GEMA have double kalenjin votes.Pastoralist that Duale hope to win gets a good deal with parliamentary system.In Ruto gov Duale will be defacto PM.He won't mess it now.Again when the deal is too good think twice.
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Of course PMI is unpopular and won't pass parliament.It there to checkmate BBI according to Ruto camp.Ruto and I suspect Uhuru position is the status quo need no fixing.It not broken why fix it.PMI will only happen if BBI must happen.Ruto will only support PMI then...BBI is hard sell to Kenyans because it favour mpigs...while PMI is assured of smooth sailing.The idea that Uhuru want to continue as PM I find that hard to believe
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That's good. I wonder how Ruto will support PMI but pegged on BBI. MPs will sit on it - no factions in self preservation. I doubt even Sudi want Kapseret to disappear. I see Ruto leading No - which of course seal the divorce with Uhuru. Raila is in a good place - BBI wins he is ok with parliamentary - if it loses he still manage to kill Uhuruto MOU.
Inclusion vs dynasty - Kenyans are being prepped on these punchlines.
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Which NO will Ruto lead when BBI is still ages away from a referendum.Talk of PMI.Hiyo ingine it stillborn.It has to start signature collection assuming Uhuru does not fire Kibicho and cut off Nancy.Dont be as naive as Raila.Think twice.When the deal is too good.GEMA will give up their political advantage in presidential election to adopt a Bomas draft they rejected few years ago.Central yote has what 33mps plus 5 women rep.
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Strange how concerned you are about GEMA numbers. Of course you are really worried about Ruto. BBI report is in the works - ati a million signatures - what is that now. Aukot who could only manage 20k votes - got 1.4m easily. I think Kibra and Mathare alone can hit 1m. GEMA is not handing over power to the 'hustler' - which means uncultured thug. Ruto has inherited the Raila curse of threatening the dynasties. Even his slogan invite trouble. So you imagined Uhuru would endorse the guy then happily hand over like Moi or Kibaki. That's the deal that was too good. I recall the fool being asked, why not Uhuru 5, then Ruto 10, then Uhuru 5? Ruto is not very different from Kalonzo who support Raila twice and is still waiting for endorsement.