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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Nefertiti on July 05, 2019, 10:31:20 PM
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Here is a 3 month old headcount of Hustler Nation vs Inclusion. It abit shallow but Ruto camp got about 100 MPs. 30% No vote.
Kieleweke, Tanga Tanga gear up for bare-knuckle fight
TUE APR 09 09:00:00 EAT 2019
NUMBERS
In a political contest, four factors count: The numbers, resources, strategy, and sales pitch. Control of the State machinery also counts for much, sometimes for everything.
Talking numbers, what does Tanga Tanga put on the table? Here a distinction should be made between the numbers one can marshal in Parliament, and the numbers in a popular vote, say in a referendum or election proper.
The DP can count on all MPs in the former United Republican Party (URP) wing of the Jubilee Party, except for one or two rebels.
Also in his bag are up to a dozen MPs “bought” — as his rivals put it — from the TNA side of Jubilee. They are Kimani Ichungwa (Kikuyu), Moses Kuria (Gatundu), Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu), Alice Wahome (Kandara), Mary Waithira (Maragua) and Sabina Chege (Murang’a Woman Rep). Also in the category of the “bought” is ODM’s Aisha Jumwa (Malindi MP).
RELIABLE SHIELD
Outside Parliament, he can count on the solid support of governors Ferdinand Waititu (Kiambu), Ann Waiguru (Kirinyaga) and Mwangi wa Iria (Murang’a). Then there are the MPs Jubilee snatched from the Opposition in Western, who were voted in on the New Ford Kenya Party tickets.
In total, the DP can count on roughly, up to a 100 individuals in both Parliament and the Senate.
While that is a reliable shield against any plot against him that would require a two-thirds majority vote, say a no-confidence vote, it is not enough for him to push an agenda of his own in Parliament. The overwhelming joint Kieleweke vote would make such a move a non-starter.
What of the popular vote? Can the DP mobilise enough votes outside a united Jubilee and beat Kieleweke at the presidential ballot? No.
FORMIDABLE ALLY
To use the analogy of metals, the vote Mr Ruto commands is like an iron, which not as strong on its own as it is when combined with another metal.
Thus Mr Ruto was a formidable ally when he threw his lot with Mr Odinga in ODM in 2007, and made for the winning team when he put his ballot in the same basket with Uhuru’s TNA in 2013 and 2017.
But he lost in the 2010 referendum when he went solo. Likewise, he couldn’t help Mr Kenyatta hack it in the 2002 election because the Mount Kenya vote wasn’t in the basket.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Kieleweke--Tanga-Tanga-gear-up-for-fight/3126390-5062548-13lcqdlz/index.html
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Use counties..that easier to compute...Ruto has MPs,MCA's, governorship in nearly all RV 14 counties, plus another six pastoralists counties of NEP,Isiolo,Marsabit and Tana River.That is already 20 counties.Ruto has about half support of remaining 4 coastal counties.That is 22.Ruto has about half support in Western counties of Bungoma,Kakamega and now Busia.let assume that 1 county.We are at 23.Ruto has majority of MPs and MCAs in 2 plus half county of kuria and Gusii..Let make that 24.So without factoring gema proper of 7 counties plus Nairobi Ruto already is at 50%.That is why the referendum won't happen.That is why Ruto is powerful.if we continue...Ruto has no problems in Mt Kenya east...3 counties where Nancy and Kibicho tentacles haven't breached...so by time we sent Kiunjuri to carpet bomb Nyeri,Kitinyanga and Baba Yao to deal with Kiambu-Nairobi - Ruto will already have gone past 30.Honestly speaking Ruto struggling only in 7 counties..3 in Luo Nyanza,3 in Ukambani and maybe Vihiga...big maybe.The rest of 40 counties he is in serious play.All the drama we are seeing is based on that reality...that Ruto is already a political Colossus who draws crowds everywhere he goes.
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Hizo broad strokes kweli. So Ruto is in serious play in 40 of 47 counties... 85%. So he has 50%+ of MPs? I doubt GoK would survive a day starting with Matiang'i, Kibicho and the Gema quartet he is been maligning. Obviously reality is starkly different. I will get some time to do a breakdown. I think Omollo did it a while back?
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Broad strokes or Ruto hardwork paying off.Ruto is unstoppable now.That is why your heroine Nancy is already thinking assisination.Ruto has the ability to pull the impossible..unite gema and non-gema in an hustler alliance that would be unprecedented.Ruto control parliament which is why Uhuru cannot call a PG.Uhuru of course can get gema but it will come with an heavy political cost and Ruto can still pretty much win without GEMA.Anyway the referendum is first stop.Let see how BBI will manoeuvre I
Hizo broad strokes kweli. So Ruto is in serious play in 40 of 47 counties... 85%. So he has 50%+ of MPs? I doubt GoK would survive a day starting with Matiang'i, Kibicho and the Gema quartet he is been maligning. Obviously reality is starkly different. I will get some time to do a breakdown. I think Omollo did it a while back?
divergent uhuru and Raila interestu
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Uhuru can't call PG cause 1)he doesn't want to 2)Ruto has majority of Jubilee MPs
Ruto can't call PG cause a)he will expose Jubilee as broken which is against his narrative b)worse - it will show his dismal support in Gema who will have to choose.. the many neutral Gema MPs won't show up
Ruto does not control Parliament... repeating this lie does not make it true. If he did, Mutyambai, Magogha and other posts that were his by 50-50 would not sail through. In fact the vengeful Ruto we know would decapitate Gok if he could. He is sucking up to madharao because he is powerless to act. You won't see any censure motion on Munya or Mucheru - despite your assassination or ethics story - cause he would lose on the floor.
We also know, while he can't even get majority MPs right now, it's worse on the ground. Kenya break into Gema and non-Gema. Once he lose Gema, Babu dogfight for non-Gema will end up 50-50. Uhuru will be kingmaker - and that is what all the bickering and assassination stories are about - battle for Gema. It 3 long years to 2022 - your boy is already at open war with Gema rank and file
Broad strokes or Ruto hardwork paying off.Ruto is unstoppable now.That is why your heroine Nancy is already thinking assisination.Ruto has the ability to pull the impossible..unite gema and non-gema in an hustler alliance that would be unprecedented.Ruto control parliament which is why Uhuru cannot call a PG.Uhuru of course can get gema but it will come with an heavy political cost and Ruto can still pretty much win without GEMA.Anyway the referendum is first stop.Let see how BBI will manoeuvre I
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Robina, the difference btw Ruto n Raila is that Moi like patience and restraint that Ruto has.Ruto will make his move when he is sure.This is like watching the marathon supremo Eliud kipchoge does his thing.. masterfully execute race after race without committing rokie mistake in the most grueling of sport.You want Ruto to do what Raila did...Ruto will expend the least energy now..and save the best for the last.Be patient...there is a lot that need doing than ego fights.Ruto will act dumb n loyal before the boss...like a young bull preparing for the ultimate battle with boss and when the day cometh..the boss better give way or he will gorged to death.Ruto has lots of ground to cover before the battle for GEMA starts..and it may not even be necessary.Moi won with average of 40% without a single gema vote.The tiger doest announced it tigritude...it pounce and make a kill .Big difference btw Acting dumb n being dumb like kalonzo or MaDVD.So Ruto is working on so many strategies as Nancy n Kibicho are laser focused on 5 counties of Central Kenya .Even if Uhuru wins Gema..Ruto would have snatched the non gema alliance from Raila...so Uhuru has to realize he is negotiating with a washed Raila who has no real support outside Luo Nyanza or Ruto who easily control most parts of kenya.
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Hubris is a bigger folly than being dumb.. like thinking Ruto is taking over the country or can match Moi.. hehe. The way senile Babu has played him - and your spin about "Uhuru is a system" - so you can blame his direct overt actions on Jezebel. Ruto is just another politician not a genius - and Kenya will split 3-way - like 2002, 2007 and 2013 - whichever 2 groups team up win. The assassinations claims - were a chess move that backfired so badly. The battle for Gema is presently happening - and Ruto is losing it.
Robina, the difference btw Ruto n Raila is that Moi like patience and restraint that Ruto has.Ruto will make his move when he is sure.This is like watching the marathon supremo Eliud kipchoge does his thing.. masterfully execute race after race without committing rokie mistake in the most grueling of sport.You want Ruto to do what Raila did...Ruto will expend the least energy now..and save the best for the last.Be patient...there is a lot that need doing than ego fights.Ruto will act dumb n loyal before the boss...like a young bull preparing for the ultimate battle with boss and when the day cometh..the boss better give way or he will gorged to death.Ruto has lots of ground to cover before the battle for GEMA starts..and it may not even be necessary.Moi won with average of 40% without a single gema vote.The tiger doest announced it tigritude...it pounce and make a kill .Big difference btw Acting dumb n being dumb like kalonzo or MaDVD.So Ruto is working on so many strategies as Nancy n Kibicho are laser focused on 5 counties of Central Kenya .Even if Uhuru wins Gema..Ruto would have snatched the non gema alliance from Raila...so Uhuru has to realize he is negotiating with a washed Raila who has no real support outside Luo Nyanza or Ruto who easily control most parts of kenya.
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Sarakasi za Jubilee :D It all-out war - the political equivalent of Syria - worse than Kanu A & B. At least Kanu only split asunder a few months to elections.
Seem Uhuru parrot Murathe is still vice chairman... I heard Tuju say he never received formal letter. :D How will Ruto camp overcome Registrar of Parties and all tribunals. It waste of time to hold elections. There is a new Jubilee Republican Party. :)
Senile Babu Trojan is lethal.. I agree now why Ruto call him mganga.
Uhuru, Ruto allies in all-out fight to control Jubilee party
3 HOURS AGO
IN SUMMARY
The renewed battle in recent weeks includes formation of rival lobby groups, raiding each other’s camps.
There are also indications that vice-chairman David Murathe is still listed as a party official despite publicly announcing his resignation.
Elgeyo Marakwet senator Kipchumba Murkomen dismissed talk of a parliamentary group meeting to heal the cracks within Jubilee.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Uhuru--Ruto-allies-fight-to-control-Jubilee-/3126390-5186138-attbd4z/index.html
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Ruto without any DPORK is already hovering around 30% of opinion polls. So I am not sure what you mean by Hubris. Ruto is campaigning harder than anyone.
Hubris is a bigger folly than being dumb.. like thinking Ruto is taking over the country or can match Moi.. hehe. The way senile Babu has played him - and your spin about "Uhuru is a system" - so you can blame his direct overt actions on Jezebel. Ruto is just another politician not a genius - and Kenya will split 3-way - like 2002, 2007 and 2013 - whichever 2 groups team up win. The assassinations claims - were a chess move that backfired so badly. The battle for Gema is presently happening - and Ruto is losing it.
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I think outside Central (or GEMA) - Jubilee is united behind Ruto. So we have succession problem in GEMA. That is expected. We now have two camps Pro-Ruto/Kiunjuri - and those against it and want Uhuru to run again. Will Uhuru accept to run again? We will find out soon enough through the BBI report in October. If not then we will have small war btw Kiunjuri and the other pretenders in GEMA like joker Moses Kuria or Wa Iria...and then GAME SHOT. Ruto - Kiunjuri can start measuring the statehouse drapes. I was expecting war to be from Mt Kenya East - but it seem Meru+Embus will have to settle for governoship duel btw Munya and Kiraitu - btw Speaker Muturi & Lenny Kivuti. The small boy Prof Kindiki will probably be told to take one of speaker spot.
The good thing is that pro-Ruto GEMA seem to know have identified Kiunjuri as their lead. Ruto need to let Kiunjuri deal with GEMA. He is very good at it. Already Ruto owns Kameme,meru fm and all sort of fms at MediaMax after buying Kenyattas out - and that is all Kiunjuri need :)
Sarakasi za Jubilee :D It all-out war - the political equivalent of Syria - worse than Kanu A & B. At least Kanu only split asunder a few months to elections.
Seem Uhuru parrot Murathe is still vice chairman... I heard Tuju say he never received formal letter. :D How will Ruto camp overcome Registrar of Parties and all tribunals. It waste of time to hold elections. There is a new Jubilee Republican Party. :)
Senile Babu Trojan is lethal.. I agree now why Ruto call him mganga.
Uhuru, Ruto allies in all-out fight to control Jubilee party
3 HOURS AGO
IN SUMMARY
The renewed battle in recent weeks includes formation of rival lobby groups, raiding each other’s camps.
There are also indications that vice-chairman David Murathe is still listed as a party official despite publicly announcing his resignation.
Elgeyo Marakwet senator Kipchumba Murkomen dismissed talk of a parliamentary group meeting to heal the cracks within Jubilee.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Uhuru--Ruto-allies-fight-to-control-Jubilee-/3126390-5186138-attbd4z/index.html
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The trouble with your observation - is that Mt Kenya succession or Jubilee wrangles do not exist in isolation to the rest of Kenya. For instance folks who want to join Ruto would simply be joining Jubilee, but it not clear now if Jubilee will even exist by 2022. Or if Ruto can manage to wrest it from Uhuru boys. If you're Khalwale or Kingi - which party do you decamp to - to back Ruto? You're basically partyless clinging to Ruto.
Two, only Jubilee outside of Mt Kenya is behind Ruto. This is basically URP. The rest are two-three Nanok or Khalwale or Jumwa. Jubilee had mere 53% even with 99% Gema and incumbency. Luhya, Mijikenda, Gusii, Kamba - these are very hard nuts to crack for Ruto. They all supported Babu before - and right now support Handshake. Babu just needs to maintain that coalition while instigating Jubilee civil war.
This scenario makes referendum very critical. Cause disruptive realignments. It why BBI lever is a big deal - and why it risky for Ruto to oppose inclusion. Of course you underrate Moses Kuria - while overrating loser Kiunjuri. I'm yet to be convinced of Kiunjuri brilliance or leadership. Anyway, Kiunjuri is in a tight spot - in the Jubilee skirmishes - cause wa Iria or Kuria with Uhuru support can be tough to deal with.
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I don't think current skirmishes has eroded Ruto ability to attract people to his camp. You have to understand that everyone who has supported Raila is very weary after loss n loss n loss. You can check Kichwa or Patel here. They are DONE. The worst Raila did was to boycott the repeat election. So Ruto is the only hope. Raila the magician has to first work his magic otherwise he has exhausted the goodwill he had from his supporters. You cannot support who chicken out of a repeat election, swear himself and then capitulate in a handshake that does not make sense.
The other big elephant - nobody really knows what Kenyatta is up-to. He is just playing all sides. He has kept his cards very close to his chest.
As for Kiunjuri - I think you underrate him at your own peril. The rout you saw in Central was engineered by Kiunjuri. Yes he doesn't speak fluent English but he is very deadly in Kikuyu. He is also an experienced political operator with about 20yrs in the dungeons. I think he became MP with Ruto in 1997 - about 22yrs ago - as 30yrs old.Wa-iria and Kuria are just jokers - with less than 10yrs in politics. Kuria from Gatundu south is dead on arrival - a joker who is not even 5yrs old in parliament. He cannot get even A SINGLE MP to support him. Wa Iria is also about 6yrs in politics and cannot get ONE SINGLE MP to support his bid. They are just about as worse as Nancy-Kibicho when it comes to politics.
Waiguru is good on Camera but he has to deal with iron ladies of Kirinyanga - and she is struggling there - Kirinyanga hopsital in shambles. Ngilu and Joyce are doing womenfolk great in Bomet & Kitui.
In short - like I told you in 2016 - watch KIUNJURI very closely. Already he has Kikuyu diaspora in Nakuru, Uasin Gishu and Laikipia. Those are united in RUto camp. They do not want to become the PAWNS in a reckless game of Kibicho-Nancy. They want the current peace with Kalenjin to last.
So Kiunjuri starts with 1M plus Kikuyus in diaspora. He also has very deep roots in Nyeri & Kirinyanga. He will struggle in Muranga and Kiambu - and that is where Uhuru can make or break him.
To nick Meru & mt Kenya east - Kiunjuri has to make a deal with Kiraitu & Muturi - because of Munya like all those who lost in 2017 blames Ruto & Kiunjuri for their misfortunes.
Anyway I reckon things are becoming clearer n clearer as we heads toward 2022.
The trouble with your observation - is that Mt Kenya succession or Jubilee wrangles do not exist in isolation to the rest of Kenya. For instance folks who want to join Ruto would simply be joining Jubilee, but it not clear now if Jubilee will even exist by 2022. Or if Ruto can manage to wrest it from Uhuru boys. If you're Khalwale or Kingi - which party do you decamp to - to back Ruto? You're basically partyless clinging to Ruto.
Two, only Jubilee outside of Mt Kenya is behind Ruto. This is basically URP. The rest are two-three Nanok or Khalwale or Jumwa. Jubilee had mere 53% even with 99% Gema and incumbency. Luhya, Mijikenda, Gusii, Kamba - these are very hard nuts to crack for Ruto. They all supported Babu before - and right now support Handshake. Babu just needs to maintain that coalition while instigating Jubilee civil war.
This scenario makes referendum very critical. Cause disruptive realignments. It why BBI lever is a big deal - and why it risky for Ruto to oppose inclusion. Of course you underrate Moses Kuria - while overrating loser Kiunjuri. I'm yet to be convinced of Kiunjuri brilliance or leadership. Anyway, Kiunjuri is in a tight spot - in the Jubilee skirmishes - cause wa Iria or Kuria with Uhuru support can be tough to deal with.
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There is no objective evidence Kiunjuri was behind mlolongo - that would be actually silly since it only attracts Uhuru wrath. Nothing in his past indicates such machinations - what happened to his GNU? Not even 1 MP. Ruto could co-opt him but I don't see any solo initiative. Dude couldn't even win governor - despite running under Jubilee banner.
Anyway he needs to learn English first - and attempt some appeal past Laikipia town - Munya speaks fluently despite equally heavy Meru accent. Kiunjuri can hire a tutor. He is too unpolished - and Uhuru can easily sponsor wa Iria against him. I think the wa Iria and Kuria "neutral" strategy is calculated to attract Uhuru support - once he feel scorned by Ruto & Kiunjuri. Sonko is angling for this too - his support for Uhuru 3rd term is not genuine - it plain sucking up.
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Pundit - Ruto sabotage of Gema upstarts is coming back to bite him... now there is noone cloutful enough to partner with against Uhuru. If PK was Nairobi or Murang'a governor - he would be popular and supplant Uhuru easily. The whole mix of Kiunjuri, Munya, wa Iria, Kuria, Waiguru, PK - makes Uhuru look as the much better bird in hand.
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Ruto’s impotence is calculated stealth. Very funny
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Pundit - Ruto sabotage of Gema upstarts is coming back to bite him... now there is noone cloutful enough to partner with against Uhuru. If PK was Nairobi or Murang'a governor - he would be popular and supplant Uhuru easily. The whole mix of Kiunjuri, Munya, wa Iria, Kuria, Waiguru, PK - makes Uhuru look as the much better bird in hand.
Uhuru is barred from running again.The current lot will be happy to clean Ruto hands.. Kiunjuri is ahead of the curve...he needs to figure out Muranga n Kiambu otherwise he has Kikuyu support to deputize Ruto.
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I don't think current skirmishes has eroded Ruto ability to attract people to his camp. You have to understand that everyone who has supported Raila is very weary after loss n loss n loss. You can check Kichwa or Patel here. They are DONE. The worst Raila did was to boycott the repeat election. So Ruto is the only hope. Raila the magician has to first work his magic otherwise he has exhausted the goodwill he had from his supporters. You cannot support who chicken out of a repeat election, swear himself and then capitulate in a handshake that does not make sense.
The other big elephant - nobody really knows what Kenyatta is up-to. He is just playing all sides. He has kept his cards very close to his chest.
As for Kiunjuri - I think you underrate him at your own peril. The rout you saw in Central was engineered by Kiunjuri. Yes he doesn't speak fluent English but he is very deadly in Kikuyu. He is also an experienced political operator with about 20yrs in the dungeons. I think he became MP with Ruto in 1997 - about 22yrs ago - as 30yrs old.Wa-iria and Kuria are just jokers - with less than 10yrs in politics. Kuria from Gatundu south is dead on arrival - a joker who is not even 5yrs old in parliament. He cannot get even A SINGLE MP to support him. Wa Iria is also about 6yrs in politics and cannot get ONE SINGLE MP to support his bid. They are just about as worse as Nancy-Kibicho when it comes to politics.
Waiguru is good on Camera but he has to deal with iron ladies of Kirinyanga - and she is struggling there - Kirinyanga hopsital in shambles. Ngilu and Joyce are doing womenfolk great in Bomet & Kitui.
In short - like I told you in 2016 - watch KIUNJURI very closely. Already he has Kikuyu diaspora in Nakuru, Uasin Gishu and Laikipia. Those are united in RUto camp. They do not want to become the PAWNS in a reckless game of Kibicho-Nancy. They want the current peace with Kalenjin to last.
So Kiunjuri starts with 1M plus Kikuyus in diaspora. He also has very deep roots in Nyeri & Kirinyanga. He will struggle in Muranga and Kiambu - and that is where Uhuru can make or break him.
To nick Meru & mt Kenya east - Kiunjuri has to make a deal with Kiraitu & Muturi - because of Munya like all those who lost in 2017 blames Ruto & Kiunjuri for their misfortunes.
Anyway I reckon things are becoming clearer n clearer as we heads toward 2022.
The trouble with your observation - is that Mt Kenya succession or Jubilee wrangles do not exist in isolation to the rest of Kenya. For instance folks who want to join Ruto would simply be joining Jubilee, but it not clear now if Jubilee will even exist by 2022. Or if Ruto can manage to wrest it from Uhuru boys. If you're Khalwale or Kingi - which party do you decamp to - to back Ruto? You're basically partyless clinging to Ruto.
Two, only Jubilee outside of Mt Kenya is behind Ruto. This is basically URP. The rest are two-three Nanok or Khalwale or Jumwa. Jubilee had mere 53% even with 99% Gema and incumbency. Luhya, Mijikenda, Gusii, Kamba - these are very hard nuts to crack for Ruto. They all supported Babu before - and right now support Handshake. Babu just needs to maintain that coalition while instigating Jubilee civil war.
This scenario makes referendum very critical. Cause disruptive realignments. It why BBI lever is a big deal - and why it risky for Ruto to oppose inclusion. Of course you underrate Moses Kuria - while overrating loser Kiunjuri. I'm yet to be convinced of Kiunjuri brilliance or leadership. Anyway, Kiunjuri is in a tight spot - in the Jubilee skirmishes - cause wa Iria or Kuria with Uhuru support can be tough to deal with.
Its wishful thinking to state that already kiunjuri has 1m kiuks supposedly in diaspora. Kiunjuri is the most inept and despised CS in this government among Gema community. Agriculture is struggling and his ministry has been proposing crazy untenable policies. Listen to kiuk tv and radios and you'll know what's happening. Kiunjuri is like sonko, they had alot of support but now after they were given the job most of their former supporters have turned against them. There's a reason why central is registering new parties, there'll be mass exodus out of jubilee especially if there's a referendum and parliamentary system is adopted. The most popular tv or radio booking in kiuk is one moses kuria( they have baptized him (Njamba ya ruriri (a hero) . This is what is happening in central https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Central-Kenya-leaders-unveil-lobby-group/1064-5186136-7mbyrp/index.html . People are looking of ways to solve problems affecting GEMA. Even the likes of Ndii are participating, its all hands on deck. BTW munya also is despised cause jubilee government is at war with small businesses.
Why does Ruto need a kiuk dp?
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Sorry Hk, but with my Phd in political reading, you're just describing someone like Alfred Keter & co making noise about Maize & Milk prices, but when it come to political leadership, the threshold is higher.
The political and economic problems in GEMA are attributable to Uhuru adopting Kibaki hear or see no evil. He has completely refused to engage the people and it's leadership - as he hides in the statehouse - because the handshake doesn't make sense - and he is also thinking of running again?
Kiunjuri got a lot of flak from Uhuru on agri that was not deserved.I think flak was because Kiunjuri successfully sub-marine attack in 2017 with Ruto that left Uhuru vulnerable as he is now. Kiunjuri found all the mess in agri - but that is neither here or there. What Kiunjuri has I think is tacit support of UhuRuto to become a running mate. He also has his lackeys from Mps, to senators, to MCAS all over central - esp Nyeri & Laikipia. I think Kikuyu diaspora will not CARE about WARUS:) but will care about keeping peace...nobody understand their plight more than a fellow diaspora. Otherwise, they will always become pawns because Central Kenya do not give a second thought to them.
Ruto will pick the best DPORK based on political reality. And that obviously, for now, is GEMA. If Uhuru stands again - then it won't make sense - and Ruto will probably look at Luhyas or even Kambas.
The noise in Kikuyu land will not subside until we get a successor to Uhuru or Uhuru makes it clear he will stand again.
Its wishful thinking to state that already kiunjuri has 1m kiuks supposedly in diaspora. Kiunjuri is the most inept and despised CS in this government among Gema community. Agriculture is struggling and his ministry has been proposing crazy untenable policies. Listen to kiuk tv and radios and you'll know what's happening. Kiunjuri is like sonko, they had alot of support but now after they were given the job most of their former supporters have turned against them. There's a reason why central is registering new parties, there'll be mass exodus out of jubilee especially if there's a referendum and parliamentary system is adopted. The most popular tv or radio booking in kiuk is one moses kuria( they have baptized him (Njamba ya ruriri (a hero) . This is what is happening in central https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Central-Kenya-leaders-unveil-lobby-group/1064-5186136-7mbyrp/index.html . People are looking of ways to solve problems affecting GEMA. Even the likes of Ndii are participating, its all hands on deck. BTW munya also is despised cause jubilee government is at war with small businesses.
Why does Ruto need a kiuk dp?
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Sorry Hk, but with my Phd in political reading, you're just describing someone like Alfred Keter & co making noise about Maize & Milk prices, but when it come to political leadership, the threshold is higher.
The political and economic problems in GEMA are attributable to Uhuru adopting Kibaki hear or see no evil. He has completely refused to engage the people and it's leadership - as he hides in the statehouse - because the handshake doesn't make sense - and he is also thinking of running again?
Kiunjuri got a lot of flak from Uhuru on agri that was not deserved.I think flak was because Kiunjuri successfully sub-marine attack in 2017 with Ruto that left Uhuru vulnerable as he is now. Kiunjuri found all the mess in agri - but that is neither here or there. What Kiunjuri has I think is tacit support of UhuRuto to become a running mate. He also has his lackeys from Mps, to senators, to MCAS all over central - esp Nyeri & Laikipia. I think Kikuyu diaspora will not CARE about WARUS:) but will care about keeping peace...nobody understand their plight more than a fellow diaspora. Otherwise, they will always become pawns because Central Kenya do not give a second thought to them.
Ruto will pick the best DPORK based on political reality. And that obviously, for now, is GEMA. If Uhuru stands again - then it won't make sense - and Ruto will probably look at Luhyas or even Kambas.
The noise in Kikuyu land will not subside until we get a successor to Uhuru or Uhuru makes it clear he will stand again.
Its wishful thinking to state that already kiunjuri has 1m kiuks supposedly in diaspora. Kiunjuri is the most inept and despised CS in this government among Gema community. Agriculture is struggling and his ministry has been proposing crazy untenable policies. Listen to kiuk tv and radios and you'll know what's happening. Kiunjuri is like sonko, they had alot of support but now after they were given the job most of their former supporters have turned against them. There's a reason why central is registering new parties, there'll be mass exodus out of jubilee especially if there's a referendum and parliamentary system is adopted. The most popular tv or radio booking in kiuk is one moses kuria( they have baptized him (Njamba ya ruriri (a hero) . This is what is happening in central https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Central-Kenya-leaders-unveil-lobby-group/1064-5186136-7mbyrp/index.html . People are looking of ways to solve problems affecting GEMA. Even the likes of Ndii are participating, its all hands on deck. BTW munya also is despised cause jubilee government is at war with small businesses.
Why does Ruto need a kiuk dp?
I think Kiunjuri is an unlikely running mate.
His hands are tied being a CS so he can't tanga tanga proper. He will be a harder sell than the drunk but relatively political savy Moses Kuria.
I see GEMA breaking into smithreens
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You think someone from ichaweri will be replaced by a village mate.Moses Kuria is a just a noisy heckler.Kiunjuri has silently laid the groundwork for his stab since 2012.He only need to get Muranga n Kiambu.. otherwise he is shoe in.He will play underground politics until 2021 or 2020.Obviously, he is going to come under vicious attack from kibicho n company soon...so it may go head to head early than imagined
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You think someone from ichaweri will be replaced by a village mate.Moses Kuria is a just a noisy heckler.Kiunjuri has silently laid the groundwork for his stab since 2012.He only need to get Muranga n Kiambu.. otherwise he is shoe in.He will play underground politics until 2021 or 2020.Obviously, he is going to come under vicious attack from kibicho n company soon...so it may go head to head early than imagined
That's Kuria's undoing, he is from Kiambu. But Nyeri had it through Kibaki for ten years before. That disqualifies Kiunjuri.
Kuria has more appeal and is more selleable than Kiunjuri
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Kiunjuri come from Laikipia - (diaspora kikuyus) - and has roots in Nyeri. I think he can easily win over Kirinyanga. Yes Muranga feel entitled to it - and hence Wa Iria bid.Keneth has basically screwed himself up by running for PORK and Nairobi governship. Kuria is a small boy who is not ready for prime time. He should first aim to become even CS. He is just over ambitious.
Anyway we shall see - but my money still on Kiunjuri nicking this.
That's Kuria's undoing, he is from Kiambu. But Nyeri had it through Kibaki for ten years before. That disqualifies Kiunjuri.
Kuria has more appeal and is more selleable than Kiunjuri
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Kiunjuri come from Laikipia - (diaspora kikuyus) - and has roots in Nyeri. I think he can easily win over Kirinyanga. Yes Muranga feel entitled to it - and hence Wa Iria bid.Keneth has basically screwed himself up by running for PORK and Nairobi governship. Kuria is a small boy who is not ready for prime time. He should first aim to become even CS. He is just over ambitious.
Anyway we shall see - but my money still on Kiunjuri nicking this.
That's Kuria's undoing, he is from Kiambu. But Nyeri had it through Kibaki for ten years before. That disqualifies Kiunjuri.
Kuria has more appeal and is more selleable than Kiunjuri
Kiunjuri is Nyeri material,don’t be deceived that he is diasporan.
Once again, Kuria is better known and a more competent politician than Kiunjuri. Being a CS is not a political accomplishment. What did Rotich do to qualify? Munya was appeased for standing down and to impress Meru. Kiunjuri to impress Nyeri and nothing else
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You're are late. You're coming to the party when we are going home. This homestretch. Kiunjuri & Ruto have done a lot of work - right now what is remaining is easy. Munya is kaput and is going back to Meru to wrestle governship - and so are all other governors that would have given Kiunjuri trouble - except Wa Iria who somehow escaped the rout - by Kiunjuri & Ruto.
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=3846.0
You read this thread - for my thoughts - more than 2yrs ago.
or about 3yrs ago
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=3572.0
Eti now Kiunjuri biggest compeitor is who again. MOSES KURIA :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Kiunjuri is Nyeri material,don’t be deceived that he is diasporan.
Once again, Kuria is better known and a more competent politician than Kiunjuri. Being a CS is not a political accomplishment. What did Rotich do to qualify? Munya was appeased for standing down and to impress Meru. Kiunjuri to impress Nyeri and nothing else
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Pundit - Ruto sabotage of Gema upstarts is coming back to bite him... now there is noone cloutful enough to partner with against Uhuru. If PK was Nairobi or Murang'a governor - he would be popular and supplant Uhuru easily. The whole mix of Kiunjuri, Munya, wa Iria, Kuria, Waiguru, PK - makes Uhuru look as the much better bird in hand.
Uhuru is barred from running again.The current lot will be happy to clean Ruto hands.. Kiunjuri is ahead of the curve...he needs to figure out Muranga n Kiambu otherwise he has Kikuyu support to deputize Ruto.
I know - if he dangle Exec PM to Gema - the Kiunjuris are DOA. Else if it becomes clear he is going home - I think he will pull the lever for PK or wa Iria against Kiunjuri - to mess Ruto.
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Of course Moses Kuria is a much more adept politician than Kiunjuri. Lining up with Ruto is a rookie mistake - cause in referendum battle - the faultlines won't spare him and the Nyoros. Kuria "neutral" posturing is very smart and savvy. While Kiunjuri was allegedly "laying groundwork" with Ruto - Kuria cemented himself as the Kikuyu defender - with ribal diatribes against CORD and Babu. He's been stoking the PEV anti-Ruto embers now and then - if your Ruto blinkers could let you listen carefully.
Kuria can morph from tribal demagogue - into fluent English - in the blink of an eye. Watch him on TV dismissing Ruto assassination... Kiunjuri got miles to cover on Kuria. Of course the mlolongo rout is Ruto handiwork - like Babu Trojan - Kiunjuri has no such gray cells. I mean there is a long Ruto and Babu history of foxy accomplishments - so we know their power - Kiunjuri has done what - lost governor and GNU mule to nowhere :D What stop him from "routing" his governor opponents in Laikipia? Angalao Munya was governor. You can sing a song for all we care.
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GNU by Kiunjuri won Nyeri governorship, couple of MPs and MCAs running against a TNA tide.Kiraitu also did well in bus.Now those are Jubilee partners Ruto will talk to..Uhuru, Kiunjuri and Kiraitu.Munya supported Raila and got roasted.He is going to get roasted again in Meru in 2022 by the Imentis.Now we know Uhuru is barred from running again, Kiraitu will defend his governship.Kiambu already have more that their fair share..so sorry for Moses kuria.Pk and Martha are as dead as dodo.Honestly the only problematic region is Muranga.I think Kindiki knows he is not ready for prime time.And Muturi can keep the speaker or go for Embu governor.So the road for Kiunjuri is very clear..Ruto and Kiunjuri cleared a lot of those obstacles..and we are left with who again Moses Kuria.Kicheko biggest.
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GNU by Kiunjuri won Nyeri governorship, couple of MPs and MCAs running against a TNA tide.Kiraitu also did well in bus.Now those are Jubilee partners Ruto will talk to..Uhuru, Kiunjuri and Kiraitu.Munya supported Raila and got roasted.He is going to get roasted again in Meru in 2022 by the Imentis.Now we know Uhuru is barred from running again, Kiraitu will defend his governship.Kiambu already have more that their fair share..so sorry for Moses kuria.Pk and Martha are as dead as dodo.Honestly the only problematic region is Muranga.I think Kindiki knows he is not ready for prime time.And Muturi can keep the speaker or go for Embu governor.So the road for Kiunjuri is very clear..Ruto and Kiunjuri cleared a lot of those obstacles..and we are left with who again Moses Kuria.Kicheko biggest.
You don’t even find it decidedly funny that he lost gubernatorial seat in his Laikipia turf? Nyeri seat was a fluke. Gakuru was a neophyte ,and even then he lost narrowly. I’m not saying Kuria will deputize Ruto, just that he has a huge head start of 5 years of politicking over Kiunjuri who can only shrub about soil over the same period.
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Gachagua and GNU MCAs - won by their own merits - not courtesy of Kiunjuri - who lost to a nobody in Laikipia. Does anyone know the name of the man who beat Kiunjuri in Laikipia? It like Kiraitu losing in Meru - then claiming he helped Kivuti im Embu. If he can't win in Laikipia hometurf how can he influence Nyeri?
What has Kiunjuri done - apart from "campaigning" for Uhuruto in Mt Kenya West - where Uhuru already had 99% without him. Can Kiunjuri address a non-Kikuyu gathering :D - say in Machakos or Nairobi. For years Kuria was PNU and TNA propagandist - taking on Miguna and Ruto in NARA - and then CORD.
Again - we know Kuria propaganda - then anti-Luo diatribes - Kikuyu chauvinist who land in the dock every month - now suddenly he is flawless in Queen English and Italian suits. Kiunjuri meantime continue to stammer in his heavy Kikuyu accent - tripping over himself - no known stand or views on anything. I know it's in your interest to credit him falsely with mlolongo machinations - to paint him as clever - cause he is the only notable Gema who actively stick his neck for Ruto. The rest is flower girls - Nyoro, Wahome, Ngirici, Waruguru.
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Team Wanjiku - another Kuria scheme - to go mano-ko-mano with Hustler Nation.
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Are we seriously comparing Moses Kuria with Mwangi Kiunjuri.You know when Uhuru didn't reappoint Kiunjuri fast enough at least 15 central MPs came out to demand his re-appointment.Kiunjuri might speak English with heavy mother tongue but I have heard he is deadly in Kikuyu...he deployed his oratory skills on radio and rallies with devastating effects.Ruto already bought him Kameme, Meru and Embu FM's...so he will be on air shortly.Only Macharia can boast of media presence in those powerful FM's like WSR.These things do not just happen...they are folks so much ahead of the game...thst to discuss little boy Kuria here is abuse of nipate hallowed space.Kiunjuri has gema diaspora, Nyeri and Kirinyaga.Kiambu ni sauce.No sane Kiambu person expect Uhuru to be replaced by kuria...Muranga iko chida. Ruto-Kiunjuri seem the ticket so far.Kuria should aim for governorship.Hii ingine iko way above his paygrade.
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Kiunjuri has zero influence - those MPs backing him are Ruto surrogates - cause you and Ruto want to portray him as DP material. What has he done on his own - just show us one thing 8) The Kameme and Cooro FM's belong to Ruto - not Kiunjuri - so nothing there. Not even a top CDF like PK or Cow Loans like wa Iria. The mlolongo rout is pure Ruto handiwork - nothing in Kiunjuri profile show an adept or scheming politician. As we can see Kuria - deliberate efforts to portray himself as Kikuyu defender - with "Kikuyu is an enterprise" :) Like Ruto, Raila and other big kahuna - Kuria morph from online propagandist - into tribal bigot - into fluent debater in a blink. Now he is leading the "neutral" Team Wanjiku. Kiunjuri ana chops gani?
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Are we seriously comparing Moses Kuria with Mwangi Kiunjuri.You know when Uhuru didn't reappoint Kiunjuri fast enough at least 15 central MPs came out to demand his re-appointment.Kiunjuri might speak English with heavy mother tongue but I have heard he is deadly in Kikuyu...he deployed his oratory skills on radio and rallies with devastating effects.Ruto already bought him Kameme, Meru and Embu FM's...so he will be on air shortly.Only Macharia can boast of media presence in those powerful FM's like WSR.These things do not just happen...they are folks so much ahead of the game...thst to discuss little boy Kuria here is abuse of nipate hallowed space.Kiunjuri has gema diaspora, Nyeri and Kirinyaga.Kiambu ni sauce.No sane Kiambu person expect Uhuru to be replaced by kuria...Muranga iko chida. Ruto-Kiunjuri seem the ticket so far.Kuria should aim for governorship.Hii ingine iko way above his paygrade.
Kiunjuri is a tanga tanga fad. I don't blame Pundito as he is all they have. He must pretend with all his might even if it includes playing blind
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Vooke, in 2016 when there was no tanga tanga my views were exactly the same.Robina can help your amnesia and difficulty with facts.I saw Ruti-Kiunjuri long time ago.I also saw Uhuru-Ruto as far back as 2008.
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Vooke, in 2016 when there was no tanga tanga my views were exactly the same.Robina can help your amnesia and difficulty with facts.I saw Ruti-Kiunjuri long time ago.I also saw Uhuru-Ruto as far back as 2008.
I scanned media items from 2015 and Kiunjuri was a rising star. They had spats with Kabogo when he said Rutonwas not guaranteed Mt. Kenya etc. So I'm struggling to get your point
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My point is UhuRuto settled on Kiunjuri as DPORK around the same time they also settled on the formation of Jubilee. I believe both were concession Ruto got to support Uhuru final term in office. Kiunjuri also agreed to fold his party GNU, let go of Laikipia governorship and support Uhuru after getting that promise.
I scanned media items from 2015 and Kiunjuri was a rising star. They had spats with Kabogo when he said Rutonwas not guaranteed Mt. Kenya etc. So I'm struggling to get your point
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You can hear as far back as 2015 - calls being made for Kiunjuri to deputize Ruto.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000185997/mwangi-kiunjuri-fit-to-succeed-ruto-as-dp-after-his-term-say-leaders
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There is no agreement on a Ruto-Kiunjuri ticket that we know of - spin tupu. How would that be a "concession" to Ruto? it actually ties his hands to a Gema/Kikuyu DPORK. I doubt Merus and Murang'a - let alone non-Gema folks - would be party to such a plan - unless it was another Uhuruto boardroom affair and not Jubilee - which makes it more suspect how Pundit knows about it.
Also Kiunjuri had no power whatsoever to mess Jubilee in 2017 - so that he could be "asked" to forego governorship or dissolve GNU. Uhuru had full grasp of Gema before mlolongo.
My point is UhuRuto settled on Kiunjuri as DPORK around the same time they also settled on the formation of Jubilee. I believe both were concession Ruto got to support Uhuru final term in office. Kiunjuri also agreed to fold his party GNU, let go of Laikipia governorship and support Uhuru after getting that promise.
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The first Jubilee gov was coalition btw Urp & TNA. Then Jubilee merged many parties. Negotiation were done.People did not just collapse their parties. Ruto obviously wanted a strong party - that would make it hard to betray him - strong coupling - as we have in Jubilee is not easy to de-couple. Kiunjuri and his GNU were also prevailed to collapse into Jubilee - I believe Kiunjuri got certain concession - including appointment to Cabinet. The same way Munya got cabinet for agreeing to quit NASA.
Obviously, these deals are secrets, but you can tell from 2015/2016 - that Kiunjuri got a deal and mellowed. Uhuru in 2017 told him not to contest in Laikipia.
Anyway, I think CS Kiunjuri has floated that balloon...and is busy working on the background. He has also been under VERY VICIOUS attack from people close to the president. Uhuru has given him public lashing because the are folks who want Kiunjuri job (DPORK) - just like they are those who are viciously attacking Ruto and feeding Uhuru with all manners of fitinas.
Most of Mps loyal to Ruto in GEMA are Kiunjuri folks.
Read here - Kiunjuri
(https://www.kenyans.co.ke/files/images/news/bcftbvtscvkiunjuri.jpg)
(https://www.kenyans.co.ke/files/images/news/nsdbchgfybfhbfe.jpg)
“2022 elections will be here soon and we need to be prepared. Some have tried to soil my name before the president but my work speaks for itself,” stated the CS.
He had earlier on, affirmed to Laikipia residents that his support for Deputy President William Ruto's presidential candidature in 2022 was still intact.
The CS used this opportunity to clarify that he would not challenge Laikipia Governor Nderitu Muriithi in the next elections.
Kiunjuri was accompanied by Nyeri Woman Representative Rahab Mukami, Laikipia Senator John Kinyua, Speaker Patrick Waigwa and MCAs from Laikipia and Nyeri counties.
There is no agreement on a Ruto-Kiunjuri ticket that we know of - spin tupu. How would that be a "concession" to Ruto? it actually ties his hands to a Gema/Kikuyu DPORK. I doubt Merus and Murang'a - let alone non-Gema folks - would be party to such a plan - unless it was another Uhuruto boardroom affair and not Jubilee - which makes it more suspect how Pundit knows about it.
Also Kiunjuri had no power whatsoever to mess Jubilee in 2017 - so that he could be "asked" to forego governorship or dissolve GNU. Uhuru had full grasp of Gema before mlolongo.
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Pundit - what you are not telling us is why Uhuru would need to concede anything to Kiunjuri in 2015/16 - or 2017 - or whenever. He had 99% Gema in the bag. If anything that would have been in 2012/13 when Uhuru was not yet full Gema prince. Even Munya only got an offer at repeat election - in semi-autonomous Meru - before that Munya and Kiraitu were outdoing each other by each painting the other as NASA principal or Ruto project. Your story of Uhuru endorsing a Ruto-Kunjuri deal doesn't add up.
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Wapi Pundit - any new stammers from Kiunjuri? In meantime Kuria continue his campaign
Moses Kuria - I won't accept MPs allowances
In Summary
• The MPs have allocated themselves 17 new allowances.
• If all passed, their salaries would increase from current Sh1.1 million to between Sh2.1 million to Sh2.9 million.
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Gatundu South MP Moses Kuria. Image: FILE
Gatundu South MP Moses Kuria has distanced himself from a plot by legislators to allocate themselves outrageous allowances.
Kuria on Tuesday said the allowances are not justifiable.
He said it makes no sense for the legislators to purport to have allocated themselves a night allowance in the name of 'domestic subsistence allowance' while on official Parliamentary Business.
"I find this allowance not justifiable at all costs. I reside in my house in Nairobi and I cannot justify to my family why the taxpayer has to pay me to be away from them," he said.
He added, "I direct that if the payment has to be made, Parliament should transfer his allowance to Gatundu District Hospital for the remainder of of my term in the 12th Parliament".
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-07-09-night-allowance-not-justifiable-kuria-tells-muturi/
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Seriously you want me to keep tabs of small fly like Kuria
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It shows you what we mean by conniving - deliberate "innocent" acts - that meant to endear to Wanjiku. Kuria is a schemer and not that small fish - Kiunjuri definitely can't match him.
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Kuria might be a schemer but like pundit said he is just a small fly. Owned dog. Gema might be tribalist but not reckless when it comes to the economic issue. Many Gema families that I know that would not accept Moses kuria to be a funeral committee chairman.
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It shows you what we mean by conniving - deliberate "innocent" acts - that meant to endear to Wanjiku. Kuria is a schemer and not that small fish - Kiunjuri definitely can't match him.
kichwa yako hapana mzuri
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It shows you what we mean by conniving - deliberate "innocent" acts - that meant to endear to Wanjiku. Kuria is a schemer and not that small fish - Kiunjuri definitely can't match him.
kichwa yako hapana mzuri
Don't go personal you fake genius. You think you're so clever - just like Miguna - but everyone else know you're a fool.