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Title: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: vooke on June 21, 2019, 05:51:02 AM
A $222.7M toy lost to a third world millitary can't go unpunished. I see one of their toys falling off the sky of some destroyers sinking. America denies, life goes on

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Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: vooke on June 21, 2019, 06:35:09 AM
A Friday dawn strike was called off
https://nyti.ms/2Rq3yff
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: sitting bull on June 21, 2019, 07:29:39 AM
A $222.7M toy lost to a third world millitary can't go unpunished. I see one of their toys falling off the sky of some destroyers sinking. America denies, life goes on

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Not happening any time soon. Military confrontation with Iran would be a terrible option for the us. Can the us afford to start a new war? While in Afghanistan the taliban are slowly taking back the country, syria they had to tack up their knickers and run. It would be a serious proxy war with Russia and china. They can only fight Iran with sanctions. And by the way Iran iran is no 3rd world military as you pupport. They develop their own military hardware and this is not the first time they've shot down a us drone.

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Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 21, 2019, 11:44:35 AM
Putin showed him the receipts.  Pee tape.
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: vooke on June 21, 2019, 12:25:29 PM
A $222.7M toy lost to a third world millitary can't go unpunished. I see one of their toys falling off the sky of some destroyers sinking. America denies, life goes on

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Not happening any time soon. Military confrontation with Iran would be a terrible option for the us. Can the us afford to start a new war? While in Afghanistan the taliban are slowly taking back the country, syria they had to tack up their knickers and run. It would be a serious proxy war with Russia and china. They can only fight Iran with sanctions. And by the way Iran iran is no 3rd world military as you pupport. They develop their own military hardware and this is not the first time they've shot down a us drone.

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Not war but stealth strikes just to send a warning. This, followed by another drone just to see if they can repeat the mistake
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: bryan275 on June 21, 2019, 03:24:59 PM
The capability and cajones to shoot down a US drone is serious muscle too.  Iran are not to be sniffed at... this could be a big big war..
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: Nefertiti on June 21, 2019, 09:11:48 PM
Yup the bombastic orangeman better take a chill pill on this one. He can't stealthily attack the Revolutionary Guard cause the Russian M-whatever missile defenses are the best in the world. Taking out a non-military jet would be a PR nightmare. But the worst would be a proxy war with Russia and China. Iran has little to lose here... US already imposed maximum sanctions.
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: vooke on June 21, 2019, 10:21:57 PM
Yup the bombastic orangeman better take a chill pill on this one. He can't stealthily attack the Revolutionary Guard cause the Russian M-whatever missile defenses are the best in the world. Taking out a non-military jet would be a PR nightmare. But the worst would be a proxy war with Russia and China. Iran has little to lose here... US already imposed maximum sanctions.

Iranian air Defence is a non-issue. I think Iran was right, the drone was well inside their territory and US can’t rewrite history with all that many eyes in the space over that place
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 21, 2019, 10:36:27 PM
Yup the bombastic orangeman better take a chill pill on this one. He can't stealthily attack the Revolutionary Guard cause the Russian M-whatever missile defenses are the best in the world. Taking out a non-military jet would be a PR nightmare. But the worst would be a proxy war with Russia and China. Iran has little to lose here... US already imposed maximum sanctions.

Iranian air Defence is a non-issue. I think Iran was right, the drone was well inside their territory and US can’t rewrite history with all that many eyes in the space over that place


There are many reasons Trump could have pulled back for.  Lack of US capability to send Iran back to the stone-age is not one of them.  I suspect kompromat.
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: vooke on June 22, 2019, 01:53:17 PM
Yup the bombastic orangeman better take a chill pill on this one. He can't stealthily attack the Revolutionary Guard cause the Russian M-whatever missile defenses are the best in the world. Taking out a non-military jet would be a PR nightmare. But the worst would be a proxy war with Russia and China. Iran has little to lose here... US already imposed maximum sanctions.

Iranian air Defence is a non-issue. I think Iran was right, the drone was well inside their territory and US can’t rewrite history with all that many eyes in the space over that place


There are many reasons Trump could have pulled back for.  Lack of US capability to send Iran back to the stone-age is not one of them.  I suspect kompromat.

Steele dossier was bogus and you know it
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: Nefertiti on June 22, 2019, 03:12:27 PM
What dossier Pastor vooke? Kindly write in English?.. there are some Daily Khadijas here.
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: vooke on June 23, 2019, 04:30:43 PM
What dossier Pastor vooke? Kindly write in English?.. there are some Daily Khadijas here.

Christopher Steele the former Mi6 who was hired by Clinton to dig dirt on Trump.
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: vooke on June 23, 2019, 04:31:33 PM
Trump strikes back(with fickle cyberattack  :lolz:)

https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-secretly-struck-back-against-iranian-cyber-spies-targeting-us-ships-234520824.html
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: Dear Mami on June 26, 2019, 11:08:04 AM
A decision of Trump's I support 100%. The war machine has been at this since 2016. There's a vid of Bolton saying openly at a conference barely 2 years ago that the US policy is to rid Iran of the Mullahs and swearing that they'd be declaring victory in Tehran in 2019. The U.S drone was the provocateur here. There's zero justification for an attack on Iran.

What MSM should be doing is blaming Trump for tearing up the nuclear deal just to spite Obama: Petty bs like that can potentially lead to war. Instead, they're critiquing the decision not to provoke another expensive, murderous war in a country that poses ZERO threat to the U.S. SMH.
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 26, 2019, 12:47:42 PM
A decision of Trump's I support 100%. The war machine has been at this since 2016. There's a vid of Bolton saying openly at a conference barely 2 years ago that the US policy is to rid Iran of the Mullahs and swearing that they'd be declaring victory in Tehran in 2019. The U.S drone was the provocateur here. There's zero justification for an attack on Iran.

What MSM should be doing is blaming Trump for tearing up the nuclear deal just to spite Obama: Petty bs like that can potentially lead to war. Instead, they're critiquing the decision not to provoke another expensive, murderous war in a country that poses ZERO threat to the U.S. SMH.

I feel like Hillary would have been less chaotic for the Middle East.  The wars were basically on their last legs by the time Obama left.  The Iran deal would most likely still be intact under Hillary.  There would not even be a need to pull back.

Trump’s pulling back could just be symptomatic of a generally unpredictable character rather than an anti war policy.  He might be back when it serves him politically, especially as a distraction, but also for potentially petty reasons.  He is very much in line with the mayhem in Yemen, even defying Congress to continue to facilitate it.
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: vooke on June 26, 2019, 12:53:46 PM
A decision of Trump's I support 100%. The war machine has been at this since 2016. There's a vid of Bolton saying openly at a conference barely 2 years ago that the US policy is to rid Iran of the Mullahs and swearing that they'd be declaring victory in Tehran in 2019. The U.S drone was the provocateur here. There's zero justification for an attack on Iran.

What MSM should be doing is blaming Trump for tearing up the nuclear deal just to spite Obama: Petty bs like that can potentially lead to war. Instead, they're critiquing the decision not to provoke another expensive, murderous war in a country that poses ZERO threat to the U.S. SMH.

War makes billions for MSM. Trump slump is real and they need something to fire up their declining bottom lines.
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: vooke on June 26, 2019, 12:57:30 PM

I feel like Hillary would have been less chaotic for the Middle East.  The wars were basically on their last legs by the time Obama left. The Iran deal would most likely still be intact under Hillary.  There would not even be a need to pull back.

Trump’s pulling back could just be symptomatic of a generally unpredictable character rather than an anti war policy.  He might be back when it serves him politically, especially as a distraction, but also for potentially petty reasons.  He is very much in line with the mayhem in Yemen, even defying Congress to continue to facilitate it.

Could you try and specify which wars were on their last leg?
Trump inherited fires all over which were nowhere near done. He is just as anti-war as Osama
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 26, 2019, 01:16:47 PM

I feel like Hillary would have been less chaotic for the Middle East.  The wars were basically on their last legs by the time Obama left. The Iran deal would most likely still be intact under Hillary.  There would not even be a need to pull back.

Trump’s pulling back could just be symptomatic of a generally unpredictable character rather than an anti war policy.  He might be back when it serves him politically, especially as a distraction, but also for potentially petty reasons.  He is very much in line with the mayhem in Yemen, even defying Congress to continue to facilitate it.

Could you try and specify which wars were on their last leg?
Trump inherited fires all over which were nowhere near done. He is just as anti-war as Osama

Afghanistan and Iraq.  Arab spring damage basically left a potential Hillary government with nothing to meaningfully destroy.

Unraveling the Iran nuclear deal on the other hand opened up a new fight that was basically settled.

Yes, Hillary is a hawk, but fairly predictable.  You are never sure on any given day where Trump will end up.
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: vooke on June 26, 2019, 02:24:57 PM

I feel like Hillary would have been less chaotic for the Middle East.  The wars were basically on their last legs by the time Obama left. The Iran deal would most likely still be intact under Hillary.  There would not even be a need to pull back.

Trump’s pulling back could just be symptomatic of a generally unpredictable character rather than an anti war policy.  He might be back when it serves him politically, especially as a distraction, but also for potentially petty reasons.  He is very much in line with the mayhem in Yemen, even defying Congress to continue to facilitate it.

Could you try and specify which wars were on their last leg?
Trump inherited fires all over which were nowhere near done. He is just as anti-war as Osama

Afghanistan and Iraq.  Arab spring damage basically left a potential Hillary government with nothing to meaningfully destroy.

Unraveling the Iran nuclear deal on the other hand opened up a new fight that was basically settled.

Yes, Hillary is a hawk, but fairly predictable.  You are never sure on any given day where Trump will end up.

On Afghanistan Trump has basically perpetuated Obama’s legacy. Obama came up with a withdrawal plan in 2011 and he never kept any of it till he left office. Trump announced withdrawal but hastily beat an about turn. He is trying to negotiate with the Taliban to disengage while Obama attempted to prematurely hand over operations to Afghanis. End result? He is nowhere near withdrawal and he probably won’t be by the end of his second term just like Obama.

On Iraq, there was nothing worth fighting there. But then along came Arab Spring and with it ISIS/IS. Suddenly there was work of rooting them out of Iraq. They poured into Syria. To be fair I don’t see anything different Obama could have done that Trump has not done in Iraq. But Obama seemed to have a proper strategy for Middle East; let Israel and Saudis run the show after containing Iran with the deal while he focused elsewhere like China. Arab Spring demanded more resources in ME.

On predictability I agree. Trump is quite impulsive but I think this is only because he talks too much especially on Twitter. He for instance claimed to be pulling out of Syria in Jan but reversed himself. One thing he has been consistent on is reversing Obama’s legacy in ME. I think he is way too much beholden to Jews probably because he needed them to win. They were opposed to JCPOA and he went after it. He has shifted US Embassy to Jerusalem. Israel has him by his balls
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: Dear Mami on June 26, 2019, 02:51:24 PM
The U.S. is basically a mercenery for hire for both the Saudis and Israelis. Iran and Syria pose literally no threat to U.S. interests. The Saudis and Israelis just want them taken out for their own regional interests. The Saudis and Israelis have lobbies in Washington that make a mockery out of the Russiagate nonsense we've been subjected to in the past two years with the fake "inteference" allegations. It's a scandal how much those two countries interfere in American policy. Dare a poor soul like Ilhan Omar mention it, then you see all the paid shills come out with fangs exposed, ready to strike. It's truly amazing.

Trump withdrew because if he went to war, he'd lose a chunk of his base. I've been watching the communities that watch the usual conservative audiences of youtube Right/centrist pundits and I've seen a sea change. I think it's been instigated by Tucker Carlson's change to an anti-war stance in the past year or so. These audiences now think the US is fighting Israeli wars, not American-interest wars. On top of it, a lot of pple now understand that 99% of modern Islamic terrorism all over the world comes literally out of Saudi Arabia and its sponsoring of Wahabbism everywhere on the planet. They understand the U.S. has not been fighting any 'war against terror' since Iraq but been using it as a pretext to fight wars for corporate America and Saudi/Israeli interests in the ME.

So now you have a conglomeration of interests, from thoroughly racist/bigoted interests that believe these wars are leading to a demographic shift in Europe and that simply hate Jews and Arabs, to nationalist/patriotic interests that are rebelling against wars they see as using them for foreign interests. Combine it with the Progressive anti-war humanism and desire to funnel those trillions into domestic social programs and I think this is grounds for something really major to happen soon, in the elections. If it was strong enough to sway a hard-head like Trump, you'd better believe something is brewing. This used to be a squarely Leftist/progressive issue and it has become a populist issue on both sides within no time.
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: Dear Mami on June 26, 2019, 03:03:57 PM
A decision of Trump's I support 100%. The war machine has been at this since 2016. There's a vid of Bolton saying openly at a conference barely 2 years ago that the US policy is to rid Iran of the Mullahs and swearing that they'd be declaring victory in Tehran in 2019. The U.S drone was the provocateur here. There's zero justification for an attack on Iran.

What MSM should be doing is blaming Trump for tearing up the nuclear deal just to spite Obama: Petty bs like that can potentially lead to war. Instead, they're critiquing the decision not to provoke another expensive, murderous war in a country that poses ZERO threat to the U.S. SMH.

I feel like Hillary would have been less chaotic for the Middle East.  The wars were basically on their last legs by the time Obama left.  The Iran deal would most likely still be intact under Hillary.  There would not even be a need to pull back.

Trump’s pulling back could just be symptomatic of a generally unpredictable character rather than an anti war policy.  He might be back when it serves him politically, especially as a distraction, but also for potentially petty reasons.  He is very much in line with the mayhem in Yemen, even defying Congress to continue to facilitate it.


I get that, Termi, but it's irresponsible to attack Trump from the Right rather than the Left on these issues. Attacking him from the Right simply makes him more of a hawk. The MSM are criticising his right decisions/actions while letting his terrible decisions simply slide by with just hints of criticisms. It's what I don't get and why I think they're all paid by the same lobbies that pay the politicians. All that effort on Russiagate should've been spent on the Iran Nuke deal and Trump's salivating over a Venezuela war. It was clear since Trump won that he wants to end Obama's wars and start his own brand new wars with Iran and Venezuela. They've been at it for 2 years with barely a peep from MSM. MSM should've been screaming the whole time abt this.
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: vooke on June 26, 2019, 05:22:55 PM
The U.S. is basically a mercenery for hire for both the Saudis and Israelis. Iran and Syria pose literally no threat to U.S. interests. The Saudis and Israelis just want them taken out for their own regional interests. The Saudis and Israelis have lobbies in Washington that make a mockery out of the Russiagate nonsense we've been subjected to in the past two years with the fake "inteference" allegations. It's a scandal how much those two countries interfere in American policy. Dare a poor soul like Ilhan Omar mention it, then you see all the paid shills come out with fangs exposed, ready to strike. It's truly amazing.

Trump withdrew because if he went to war, he'd lose a chunk of his base. I've been watching the communities that watch the usual conservative audiences of youtube Right/centrist pundits and I've seen a sea change. I think it's been instigated by Tucker Carlson's change to an anti-war stance in the past year or so. These audiences now think the US is fighting Israeli wars, not American-interest wars. On top of it, a lot of pple now understand that 99% of modern Islamic terrorism all over the world comes literally out of Saudi Arabia and its sponsoring of Wahabbism everywhere on the planet. They understand the U.S. has not been fighting any 'war against terror' since Iraq but been using it as a pretext to fight wars for corporate America and Saudi/Israeli interests in the ME.

So now you have a conglomeration of interests, from thoroughly racist/bigoted interests that believe these wars are leading to a demographic shift in Europe and that simply hate Jews and Arabs, to nationalist/patriotic interests that are rebelling against wars they see as using them for foreign interests. Combine it with the Progressive anti-war humanism and desire to funnel those trillions into domestic social programs and I think this is grounds for something really major to happen soon, in the elections. If it was strong enough to sway a hard-head like Trump, you'd better believe something is brewing. This used to be a squarely Leftist/progressive issue and it has become a populist issue on both sides within no time.

The US would rather drop Israel than SA if it came to that. For the life of me I can’t explain US attachment to Israel. Maybe some former administrations swallowed the Zionism bs line hook and sinker and its cast in brass. SA is totally different. It was their decision to sell their oil in USD that helped cement USD as a reserve currency for the entire world. To do this the US supplies SA with weapons to protect their oil fields. SA also supported US invasion of Afghanistan. These are simply joint at the hip. Then comes the Iranian revolution that gave Shiism a much needed shot. SA now has a permanent enemy who is not afraid of projecting power in ME. Israel is pissed because Iran misadventures hit their borders. US is now obliged to stand by  both Israel & SA against this new common foe. SA also responded by stepping up its efforts in exporting Islam,its own brand

Until 1997 Embassy bombings here, this arrangement worked perfectly. Then came 911 and it’s now all too clear that SA paths are crossing with that of its top enabler.  But the West has always been in denial that Islam=terrorism. Not even celebrations in Riyadh meant anything. Obama couldn’t bring himself in admitting that last Easter attacks in Sri Lanka were targeting Christians. This political correctness is why western feminists avoid highlighting women oppression under Islam. I think it is an extension of US policy of looking the other way whenever SA is mentioned.

I don’t see nothing changing unless US shakes off SA and Israel which is not about to happen. The same conspiracy theories that finger corporate America for fanning war also hold that they can do the same by false flags. Maybe the tanker attacks were staged by Americans :D
Title: Re: Trump Will Punish Iran
Post by: Dear Mami on June 26, 2019, 08:00:33 PM
The West sides with Israel for the same reason they destroyed the Zim economy: the Israelis are European; blonde, blue-eyed Bazungu. On top of that, the Zionist lobby in the U.S. is no joke. The treatment of Ilhan Omar should tell you. What's that saying from that Chinese ancient book? "If you want to know who rules over you, find out who you're not allowed to criticize."