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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on June 20, 2019, 07:11:16 AM
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https://www.facebook.com/mkebeney/videos/10220389358989474/
CS without portfolio and Acting CJ might just have bitten the dust.
Now he can work full-time as Raila advisor.
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https://www.facebook.com/mkebeney/videos/10220389358989474/
CS without portfolio and Acting CJ might just have bitten the dust.
Now he can work full-time as Raila advisor.
As much as it is politics in play , i think it is in bad taste for those two political rejects to joke on that particular church incident. Wsr has taken over the "punching bag" title from Babu..... for now. It seems many losers are eager to resuscitate their political lives by throwing jubs at him.
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Who recorded this convo where Tuju was put on loudspeaker by Nyanja?
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Who recorded this convo where Tuju was put on loudspeaker by Nyanja?
Your handlers can sell info on you.Ruto has a parallel NIS
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Who recorded this convo where Tuju was put on loudspeaker by Nyanja?
Your handlers can sell info on you.Ruto has a parallel NIS
And he never saw the handshake? I think this is a fake convo
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Who recorded this convo where Tuju was put on loudspeaker by Nyanja?
Sounds like a device in George Nyanja's space. That aside, there is really no new revelation politically speaking. It's just detail on what is already known.
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Cruel guys dancing on the graves of poor Kikuyu folks.
Ruto is just stupid to try fight Uhuru in Uhuru's own backyard.
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What should Ruto do: wait like Kalonzo for power to be handed to him. He has to go bumper to bumper with Uhuru and make sure Uhuru doesn't get a wriggle room.
Cruel guys dancing on the graves of poor Kikuyu folks.
Ruto is just stupid to try fight Uhuru in Uhuru's own backyard.
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What should Ruto do: wait like Kalonzo for power to be handed to him. He has to go bumper to bumper with Uhuru and make sure Uhuru doesn't get a wriggle room.
Cruel guys dancing on the graves of poor Kikuyu folks.
Ruto is just stupid to try fight Uhuru in Uhuru's own backyard.
He should take on uhuru head on if he has the balls... like you so claim. Otherwise there isn't much difference between him and kalonzo or madvd.
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But that would be reckless like Raila.He has to be like Moi or legendary boxer Mo Ali...float like a fly.. sting like a beer.He is doing an excellent job thus far. Uhuru has to make a the move....Ruto has to buy time.Uhuru doesn't have time.
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Why would Tuju bite the dust? This is a great service to Uhuru and Raila. At some point those Kiambaa videos and the fire-breathing will be unleashed on Ruto... better now than later.
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Why would Tuju bite the dust? This is a great service to Uhuru and Raila. At some point those Kiambaa videos and the fire-breathing will be unleashed on him... better now than later.
And land grievances will also be revived...and Kila mtu kwao will start.Some will asky why is kiambaa in Eldoret not Kiambu... dangerous games with real ramifications..not kalongo.Uhuru has done 10yrs.Let him retire.Dont start civil war. This is 21st century.He plays dirty.Ruto plays dirty.Biggest threat now is a desperate Raila who is literally willing to do anything to rule for a few hours.Uhuru doesn't have to follow such a desperate man who wants to burn Kenya .His choice really....Ruto is just 53yrs old so he ain't nowhere done.Go to South Sudan n see how some fools misled Salva Kiir to fight Machar...now that country is broke.Machar is not even around anymore.Pacify kondele and kibra...and set on fire Kikuyu diaspora in rv and coast ...and those of us living in mavoko will face it too.
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Still you're stuck on some delusion that Uhuru or Raila fear Ruto. The poor Gema or Luo or Kalenjin who may die or lose property has no power whatsoever over siasa.. what is there to scare Uhuru? Legacy? :( What is certain, is that Ruto would lose BIG politically if he attempts to threaten Gema now. Cause not just Central but the entire RV diaspora tribes are too big politically. You keep saying how Ruto is playing it soft? Exactly what else can he do? He's in the tight spot called front-runner.
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Of course Babu is desperate for power but why on earth would he let Ruto in? Once the katiba is changed there is nothing to stop Babu running for PM. It a new ball game. For now he is playing it world class... giving your boy sleepless nights.
I think actually, Raila would rather Uhuru continues or anyone else just to scorn Ruto.
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Robina, when you remove the presidential term limit, then we can talk.Raila as PORK and Uhuru as exec PM is laughable scarecrow.As long as Raila is the candidate, Ruto sleepwalking to PORK.Obviously if you are willing to make Kenyatta the life president like Jono then we would be very worried.
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RV, referendum is the big wild card obviously. It can really stir the pot - with the current front-runner with the most to lose. On that account Raila n Uhuru have control of BBI, IEBC, parliament, majority counties and of course voters. Once you change katiba noone can guarantee anything... But that you think Ruto is sleepwalking to SH is more laughable than the idea of a Raila-Uhuru coalition.
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Demonstrate how Uhuru & Raila have control of parliament & major counties. Uhuru that is so afraid of calling Jubilee PG - certainly doesn't have a parliament. Ruto also I believe can get 24 counties to block BBI if it ever gets there - at least he can count on nearly all 14 counties of RV, can persuade all the 6 pastoral counties (Isiolo, Marsabit, Mandera, Wajir, Garissa and Tana River). That is already 20. He will be spoilt for choice of 4 counties....from the coast, upper eastern, western and etc.
And the referendum may well happen. In fact, if Uhuru really wants it - Ruto should go for it too - but with his own questions. Filter out the popular stuff -- I think Ruto already shared his ideas at Chatham House london. Raila has his own idea - parliamentary system(unpopular) with regional gov (unpopular) with an expanded executive ( elected ceremonial pork with an elected prime minister (from largest party) for me is unpopular - but a current model one president with one deputy -an appointed Chief or Prime Minister(Not quarrelsome NARA type though) & with say two deputies- is okay .
Uhuru has not told us what he wants...because Jubilee or anyone senior in it has not made any presentation. He seems to want the presidential term limit removed :) and I don't know if Raila will buy that one :)
So we could have several referendum ideas. It not going to be easy. We already have a referendum that is undergoing signature verification by the Turkana Akot.
Don't think Uhuru or Raila have monopolies of ideas and strategies.
So let us wait for BBI - to come up with recommendations - by end of this year - and we shall see if Uhuru is ready for the fight. BBI is an illegal thing funded by Kibicho ...and Kenyans are not bitting it..nobody is going to BBI to make serious arguments. Once it get the legal backing - then the debate will start - as of now - it's a useless talk shop doing what many other committees have done since 1990s...collecting views :) of kenyans on constitutional changes.
RV, referendum is the big wild card obviously. It can really stir the pot - with the current front-runner with the most to lose. On that account Raila n Uhuru have control of BBI, IEBC, parliament, majority counties and of course voters. Once you change katiba noone can guarantee anything... But that you think Ruto is sleepwalking to SH is more laughable than the idea of a Raila-Uhuru coalition.
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The pressure for Tuju to resign is on. Tuju has gone dead quit. He obviously had plan to kill Jubilee and jump over to ODM & run for Siaya governorship as a prize for wrecking the party.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001330933/pressure-mounts-on-tuju-to-quit-jubilee-party
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Demonstrate how Uhuru & Raila have control of parliament & major counties. Uhuru that is so afraid of calling Jubilee PG - certainly doesn't have a parliament. Ruto also I believe can get 24 counties to block BBI if it ever gets there - at least he can count on nearly all 14 counties of RV, can persuade all the 6 pastoral counties (Isiolo, Marsabit, Mandera, Wajir, Garissa and Tana River). That is already 20. He will be spoilt for choice of 4 counties....from the coast, upper eastern, western and etc.
As usual you conflate your hubris with reality.
Parliament - we know Uhuru-Raila have majority prima facie -when we had a real standoff Ruto lost VAT Bill - despite going populist and holding night meetings. Ruto has like 60% of Jubilee - which come to mere 40% of parliament. Going by his tantrums and Chihuahua noises, if Ruto had his way he would have grounded GoK until Uhuru recants the Handshake.
Why would Uhuru call PG? Who wants a PG - Uhuru or Ruto? Why can't Ruto call a PG - and annoint himself as successor :D - instead he hold night meetings and praise Uhuru in Eldoret and all over. Hii desperation ni mbaya sana - Uhuru pee on his head in Thika - he continue to sing praises. Worse than JJ or Kariuki Chotara or Kuria Kanyingi sang praises for Moi - bure kabisa :D
And the referendum may well happen. In fact, if Uhuru really wants it - Ruto should go for it too - but with his own questions. Filter out the popular stuff -- I think Ruto already shared his ideas at Chatham House london. Raila has his own idea - parliamentary system(unpopular) with regional gov (unpopular) with an expanded executive ( elected ceremonial pork with an elected prime minister (from largest party) for me is unpopular - but a current model one president with one deputy -an appointed Chief or Prime Minister(Not quarrelsome NARA type though) & with say two deputies- is okay .
Inclusion is popular everywhere except Kalenjin. Ruto only has half MATUSA and Somali outside Kalenjin - his natural pastoralist constituency. Folks without their own strong leaders traditionally. Beyond hapo hakuna kitu. How would he get his questions on the ballot? - no, does not have the counties nor parliament. You say yourself he has 14 counties - the rest want inclusion. Basically the counties split up just like parliament. If he can't control parliament he equally can't control the counties. Get ready for Hustler Nation vs Inclusion as new Banana and Orange :D .. Tough luck keeping the "we are with Uhuru" charade.
Uhuru has not told us what he wants...because Jubilee or anyone senior in it has not made any presentation. He seems to want the presidential term limit removed :) and I don't know if Raila will buy that one :)
So we could have several referendum ideas. It not going to be easy. We already have a referendum that is undergoing signature verification by the Turkana Akot.
Don't think Uhuru or Raila have monopolies of ideas and strategies.
Anyone can have ideas or strategy - trouble is execution. We don't know what Uhuru wants - but we do know he does not want Ruto to be PORK. Of course Raila, once we have PM,
nobody stop him from betraying Uhuru and going for it. But coalition arrangement favors Gema for now - due to the Ruto-Raila rivalry for non-Gema. Lots of conjectures.. For now expect serious tantrums from Ruto as Uhuru fills IEBC slots with Handshake crew.
So let us wait for BBI - to come up with recommendations - by end of this year - and we shall see if Uhuru is ready for the fight. BBI is an illegal thing funded by Kibicho ...and Kenyans are not bitting it..nobody is going to BBI to make serious arguments. Once it get the legal backing - then the debate will start - as of now - it's a useless talk shop doing what many other committees have done since 1990s...collecting views :) of kenyans on constitutional changes.
Kibicho again - you forgot Jezebel or is she finally off the hook :D With all the headlines about Jubilee civil war - it took you a year to give up the UhuRuto delusion. Why should we take your word on BBI?
BBI is up and functional for a year+ .. strategy ya the genius Ruto imefika wapi? Hanging on Aukot is priceless :D
Anyway when Ruto stops groveling in Uhuru's dirt with endless canting apologies :D - singing embarrassing praises for the treacherous Master - I will know he has balls. Kwa sasa maneno tu!
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I don't disagree that inclusion is popular.I disagree with nature of it .I think ceremonial pork & executive pm is palimentary that won't fly.Punguza mzigo is also popular.Anything touching counties is dead on arrival.So most of Raila ideas in BBI would go nowhere.I still don't know what Uhuru wants.If you are privy to the cards he has then kindly share.Making Raila Pork and in return of being appointed to what Exec PM is dumb and Uhuru is not dumb.He can only entertain removing presidential term limit plus whatever else Raila wants.Then if that goes through he will ran again.If not I don't see any irreconcilable differences btw Ruto and Uhuru. Uhuru has yet to cross the Rubicon that is why Ruto is has kid gloves on...if he did youll see another game.I know you want Uhuru and Ruto to fight so Raila can have a field day.. Jubilee members don't want that and that Uhuru problem.
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Pundit I asked you to give examples of bareknuckle fight? Cause Uhuru has elbowed Ruto ribs and kneed his groin - basically since Handshake Ruto has been kicked about like a dog. You know the list. But you are waiting for gloves off gani tena? You expect aasassinations ama?
Ruto has no punches to hold. So long as Gema basket is at play - with Raila hovering like a vulture - Uhuru is untouchable.
Here's a sampler - of the Song of Ruto - Uhuru Akbar!!
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Ruto is an idiot. Why stoop this low. He thinks we all cannt see through his stupid games. He is so desperate. In kasarani he was talking of how he was grateful Uhuru gave hi an opportunity.
Pundit cannot see what is happening because he has been bamboozled by ruto antics
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What exactly has Ruto lost since the handshake.Echesa? and what has Raila gained, fake Job in AU and few positions in moribund parastals I'm exchange of 6m plus supporters of NASA.Ruto mean are still running gov and parliament.Matianga was dead on arrival and Ruto has not slowed down a day with his national support.Uhuru and Ruto political marriage had seen the usual bickering because of Uhuru infidelity but divorce is doesn't look like happening.
Pundit I asked you to give examples of bareknuckle fight? Cause Uhuru has elbowed Ruto ribs and kneed his groin - basically since Handshake Ruto has been kicked about like a dog. You know the list. But you are waiting for gloves off gani tena? You expect aasassinations ama?
Ruto has no punches to hold. So long as Gema basket is at play - with Raila hovering like a vulture - Uhuru is untouchable.
Here's a sampler - of the Song of Ruto - Uhuru Akbar!!
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Ruto is an idiot. Why stoop this low. He thinks we all cannt see through his stupid games. He is so desperate. In kasarani he was talking of how he was grateful Uhuru gave hi an opportunity.
Pundit cannot see what is happening because he has been bamboozled by ruto antics
Ruto is kissing dirty kids, eating maize from roadside and sucking up because that is part of campaign.Moi did this in 70s and on first day of his pork his opponents were seeking asylum abroad.Ruto is made of steel and won't blow up at this very late.Ruto will avoid fighting Uhuru and focus on his opponents.Uhuru until he changes the constitution is a lame duck with 1yr left..2020 to get his shirt together.By 2021 campaign will begin and by 2022 nobody will know or care about Uhuru.
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I see. I expect Ruto boys n gals will be eased out one by one. Time will tell us.
What exactly has Ruto lost since the handshake.Echesa? and what has Raila gained, fake Job in AU and few positions in moribund parastals I'm exchange of 6m plus supporters of NASA.Ruto mean are still running gov and parliament.Matianga was dead on arrival and Ruto has not slowed down a day with his national support.Uhuru and Ruto political marriage had seen the usual bickering because of Uhuru infidelity but divorce is doesn't look like happening.
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When Raila get even one man of his to cabinet - then time will indeed tell us - because so far - I see internecine war inside jubilee by guys close to Uhuru who want to edge Ruto out so they can gorge before uhuru exit the political stage soon. They are also planting ideas on Uhuru head that he can leverage Raila and extend his term. Instead of retiring after doing a great job and remain respected - for their selfish reason - Uhuru should undo everything so he can continue rulling :)
If Raila had something serious with Uhuru - by now he should have got a few of his guys in Cabinet. How about creating a position for Orengo - Legal Affaris CS - so he can push through the referendum :).
Obviously Uhuru is just playing with Raila. Raila signed on hoping he would get something gov. Ruto told Uhuru that was not going to happen. Raila would be found a job outside gov circles and none of his men will come close to levers of power. Yes they can head film & netball commission of Kenya but that is as far as it goes.
Ruto is playing this game very deftly - and whatever Uhuru political neophytes like Kibicho & Nancy have thrown - lifestyle,anti-graft,bbi,kiambaa, matusi, -- nothing has stuck - and Ruto the greatest propagandist has turned every lemon into a lemonade.
Obviously the tide will soon turn against Kibicho-Nancy - because the moderates in Jubilee including in Uhuru camp - do not want a civil war that will destroy Jubilee.They know what Kikuyu-Kalenjin bloodbath will look like if get there. Tuju is going to go after Murathe. And soon enough Kibicho will follow Nancy.
Everytime it has boiled down - Uhuru has taken the initiative to calm waters - by for example going for lunch at Ruto office or recently visiting Eldoret.
I see. I expect Ruto boys n gals will be eased out one by one. Time will tell us.
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Ruto is kissing dirty kids, eating maize from roadside and sucking up because that is part of campaign.Moi did this in 70s and on first day of his pork his opponents were seeking asylum abroad.Ruto is made of steel and won't blow up at this very late.Ruto will avoid fighting Uhuru and focus on his opponents.Uhuru until he changes the constitution is a lame duck with 1yr left..2020 to get his shirt together.By 2021 campaign will begin and by 2022 nobody will know or care about Uhuru.
In short Ruto is more desperate to be PORK than Babu - Babu doesn't shamelessly praise Uhuru after being insulted - like Ruto in wakorino ceremony at Kasarani. Raila at least get some respect from Uhuru. Ruto is worse than Shariff Nassir and Moi courtesans - he seem ready to lick the dirt off Uhuru feet with his tongue. Just to be PORK... na mnasema Raila ni desperate. Blinkers kweli.
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Big difference btw respect and desperation. Ruto has respected Uhuru and sucked up for many years now, he is not about to change that, esp against the scare-crow Raila. Once Uhuru changes the constitution - he becomes an opponent. Right now he is still outgoing president who Ruto will respect even if he was to publicly undress Ruto.
Raila is desperate because he want to extend Uhuru term. Something he fought his entire life against. The country has to be wary of such desperados who are willing to throw away all democratic gains because of their inability to win.
In short Ruto is more desperate to be PORK than Babu - Babu doesn't shamelessly praise Uhuru after being insulted - like Ruto in wakorino ceremony at Kasarani. Raila at least get some respect from Uhuru. Ruto is worse than Shariff Nassir and Moi courtesans - he seem ready to lick the dirt off Uhuru feet with his tongue. Just to be PORK... na mnasema Raila ni desperate. Blinkers kweli.
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Where has Babu proposed to extend Uhuru term? That's Kalonzo. ODM official proposal to BBI was parliamentary system (Exec PM, ceremonial PORK) and 3-tier devolution. Same as it was in Bomas and Naivasha. I don't see ANY CHANGE at all in Raila's stand. Nothing in the ODM proposal says Uhuru will be PM - it's a position for Majority Party/Coalition Leader - not appointed by PORK - who is in fact appointed by parliament. Ceremonial PORK is like UK queen or German president who nobody knows by name. Parliamentary democracy is a tried-&-tested system all over EU, Austrlia, Japan, South Korea, South Africa, Ethiopia, name it. Kenya 1963 was parliamentary and federal. Bomas Draft was actually parliamentary with 3-tier devolution - before Ruto & Uhuru soiled it in Naivasha.
As for Ruto's groveling "respect" for Uhuru... no comment :D
Big difference btw respect and desperation. Ruto has respected Uhuru and sucked up for many years now, he is not about to change that, esp against the scare-crow Raila. Once Uhuru changes the constitution - he becomes an opponent. Right now he is still outgoing president who Ruto will respect even if he was to publicly undress Ruto.
Raila is desperate because he want to extend Uhuru term. Something he fought his entire life against. The country has to be wary of such desperados who are willing to throw away all democratic gains because of their inability to win.
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Those ideas were rejected by Kenyans if followed CoE submission.Kenyans wants to elect their leaders.Our parliament are second only to the traffic police in bad reputation.No sane Kenya will surrender their sovereign right to Mps.Forget it Ruto will such a referendum alone.He was 19% short in 2010 from victory.Raila old n senile ideas are out.Ruto will respect Uhuru but continue preparing his 2022.Ruto had to force Uhuru into a corner...and showing him disrespect is playing into his opponents hands.Who remember the humiliation Moi went thro in 70s.Once Ruto is PORK - he would have earn his stripes.
Where has Babu proposed to extend Uhuru term? That's Kalonzo. ODM official proposal to BBI was parliamentary system (Exec PM, ceremonial PORK) and 3-tier devolution. Same as it was in Bomas and Naivasha. I don't see ANY CHANGE at all in Raila's stand. Nothing in the ODM proposal says Uhuru will be PM - it's a position for Majority Party/Coalition Leader - not appointed by PORK - who is in fact appointed by parliament. Ceremonial PORK is like UK queen or German president who nobody knows by name. Parliamentary democracy is a tried-&-tested system all over EU, Austrlia, Japan, South Korea, South Africa, Ethiopia, name it. Kenya 1963 was parliamentary and federal. Bomas Draft was actually parliamentary with 3-tier devolution - before Ruto & Uhuru soiled it in Naivasha.
As for Ruto's groveling "respect" for Uhuru... no comment :D
Big difference btw respect and desperation. Ruto has respected Uhuru and sucked up for many years now, he is not about to change that, esp against the scare-crow Raila. Once Uhuru changes the constitution - he becomes an opponent. Right now he is still outgoing president who Ruto will respect even if he was to publicly undress Ruto.
Raila is desperate because he want to extend Uhuru term. Something he fought his entire life against. The country has to be wary of such desperados who are willing to throw away all democratic gains because of their inability to win.
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If Ruto had 30% can we say Raila as Yes leader had 70%? :D At 2012 opinion polls Ruto had meagre 14% - pure Kalenjin. What happened to the No 30%? Referendum is a binary Yes-No and cannot measure political punch. Cause unlike elections - civil society, NGOs, clergy, etc are all involved.
Parliamentary and 3tier were not rejected by Kenyans - they were denied the chance by Uhuru & Ruto who tossed them out at Naivasha. Uhuru to serve PNU/Gema interest - Ruto to scorn Raila. The parliamentary & 3tier were drafted by CoE.
Anyhow let's wait for BBI - it will be ready in a short while. Ruto can lead Hustler Nation No campaign. He is out-manoeuvred by senile Babu in framing the Q's - which Uhuru-Raila can bundle with more county funds, gender parity, CDF, etc sweeteners. 2022 promises to be a better thriller than 2002 or 2013.
Those ideas were rejected by Kenyans if followed CoE submission.Kenyans wants to elect their leaders.Our parliament are second only to the traffic police in bad reputation.No sane Kenya will surrender their sovereign right to Mps.Forget it Ruto will such a referendum alone.He was 19% short in 2010 from victory.Raila old n senile ideas are out.Ruto will respect Uhuru but continue preparing his 2022.Ruto had to force Uhuru into a corner...and showing him disrespect is playing into his opponents hands.Who remember the humiliation Moi went thro in 70s.Once Ruto is PORK - he would have earn his stripes.
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Robina, let's wait for BBi.Raila will make his suggestion and Uhuru will swallow wholesale and we will vote it in.Some nonsense do not deserve a response.BBI will get to parliament like any citizen memorandum, it will be dismissed or ammended or accepted then long process.