Nipate
Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on May 20, 2019, 09:25:18 AM
-
Update, May 19, 2019 (11:50 pm ET): Google has released a new statement regarding the Huawei situation, this time via the Android Twitter account. As seen below, the company states that current Huawei (and likely Honor) phones will continue having access to services like Google Play and security from Google Play Protect.
Google plans to comply with the U.S. government’s order to place Huawei on its Entity List. It’s still unclear what effect this decision will have on the future of Huawei.
Original post, May 19, 2019 (3:14 pm ET): Google has suspended business operations with Huawei effectively immediately, a forced move that will have a dramatic impact on Huawei devices across the globe.
According to Reuters, citing a source close to the matter, Google was forced into suspending business with Huawei that “requires the transfer of hardware and software products.”
“Huawei Technologies Co Ltd will immediately lose access to updates to the Android operating system, and the next version of its smartphones outside of China will also lose access to popular applications and services including the Google Play Store and Gmail app,” Reuters noted.
This effectively means no further Android security updates for devices new and old, including the recent P30 and P30 Pro, Mate 20 Pro, and many more.
Google’s actions come after the U.S. Commerce Department’s announcement on Wednesday, which placed Huawei and some 68 affiliates on a so-called Entity List, a trade blacklist, following an executive order signed by U.S. President Trump.
This is the same list that ZTE was added to and subsequently removed from, over the course of 2018, which caused it massive disruption. Huawei is now effectively forbidden from buying parts and components from U.S. companies without U.S. government approval – which includes Android.
This is, of course, a massive blow if the story is accurate. One of Huawei’s arms, its HiSilicon chip division, had stated it has “long been ready” for any ban, while Huawei has previously mentioned it has been preparing for six years or more for any ban of Android. Honor, a sub-brand of Huawei, had been set to launch the Honor 20 on Tuesday May 21, in London — it’s unclear what will now happen.
The Chinese giant said in a statement earlier this week that it was “against the decision made by the Bureau of Industry and Security of the U.S. Department of Commerce.”
Android Authority has contacted Huawei and Google for comment.
This is a developing story.
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-loses-access-to-google-android-987873/
-
They probably already have their own OS. They just need to manage the PR fallout. This might backfire for google.
-
Even if they have their own OS, how many apps can run on it? That is the tricky situation and remember customers do not have patience to wait for months before apps are developed which can run on the new OS.
They probably already have their own OS. They just need to manage the PR fallout. This might backfire for google.
-
Even if they have their own OS, how many apps can run on it? That is the tricky situation and remember customers do not have patience to wait for months before apps are developed which can run on the new OS.
They probably already have their own OS. They just need to manage the PR fallout. This might backfire for google.
A valid point. But for a huge player like Huawei I would not be surprised that they have that all figured out with compatibility support one way or another.
-
With middle class Americans and Europeans citizens facing serious economic pressures the governments will have to allow them benefit from cheap Chinese mobile technologies. Looking at reviews of the budget phones on Youtube and Amazon, am always findings North Americans complaining of missing out on these dirty cheap but functional phones due to network issues. With dying Apple what options do they have Nokia, Motorola??
Am sure Chinese government will find a way around these Trump cyber terrorism. Splitting Huawei into a thousand tech dragons is an option.
Is google repeating the mistakes of Apple and microsoft failed closed apps/IoS model in mobile business??
-
Us really spooked by Huwaei new tech... from their now unmatched patents.Huwaei will spin off something better
-
They probably already have their own OS. They just need to manage the PR fallout. This might backfire for google.
Getting an OS is the easiest bit, onboarding developers is the toughest. That's where Windows ,Blackberry failed. Samsung has a working Tizen but they are way too smart to test it on other than their cheapest devices.
But the problem is bigger than Android, how about chips?
-
They probably already have their own OS. They just need to manage the PR fallout. This might backfire for google.
Getting an OS is the easiest bit, onboarding developers is the toughest. That's where Windows ,Blackberry failed. Samsung has a working Tizen but they are way too smart to test it on other than their cheapest devices.
But the problem is bigger than Android, how about chips?
It looks like their chips are also mostly American.
Huawei’s bad weekend is turning worse as the company’s American suppliers are all falling in line with a US government edict banning them from doing business with the company. Bloomberg now reports that Intel, Qualcomm, and Broadcom, three of the world’s leading chip designers and suppliers, are cutting off their dealings with Huawei, effective immediately. Nikkei reports that German chipmaker Infineon Technologies has also suspended shipments to Huawei, as have US memory chip makers Micron Technology and Western Digital.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/19/18632075/intel-qualcomm-huawei-ban-us-chipmakers-report (https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/19/18632075/intel-qualcomm-huawei-ban-us-chipmakers-report)
I think they will suffer, short term. But long term, it might harm American companies if Americans keep putting volatile idiots into power.
-
They probably already have their own OS. They just need to manage the PR fallout. This might backfire for google.
Getting an OS is the easiest bit, onboarding developers is the toughest. That's where Windows ,Blackberry failed. Samsung has a working Tizen but they are way too smart to test it on other than their cheapest devices.
But the problem is bigger than Android, how about chips?
It looks like their chips are also mostly American.
Huawei’s bad weekend is turning worse as the company’s American suppliers are all falling in line with a US government edict banning them from doing business with the company. Bloomberg now reports that Intel, Qualcomm, and Broadcom, three of the world’s leading chip designers and suppliers, are cutting off their dealings with Huawei, effective immediately. Nikkei reports that German chipmaker Infineon Technologies has also suspended shipments to Huawei, as have US memory chip makers Micron Technology and Western Digital.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/19/18632075/intel-qualcomm-huawei-ban-us-chipmakers-report (https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/19/18632075/intel-qualcomm-huawei-ban-us-chipmakers-report)
I think they will suffer, short term. But long term, it might harm American companies if Americans keep putting volatile idiots into power.
Thats my take. Its a very short sighted short term thinking. China has 1.5 billion vs USA 400mil. Its a white nationalist thinking to purnish Huawei, which looked forward while USA was busy fighting Iraq wars.
-
If China retaliates the Googles and Apples will suffer more. Huwaei buys 1 trillion dollars worth of goods and service from US - and they will start looking elsewhere including internally.
Thats my take. Its a very short sighted short term thinking. China has 1.5 billion vs USA 400mil. Its a white nationalist thinking to purnish Huawei, which looked forward while USA was busy fighting Iraq wars.
-
If China retaliates the Googles and Apples will suffer more. Huwaei buys 1 trillion dollars worth of goods and service from US - and they will start looking elsewhere including internally.
Thats my take. Its a very short sighted short term thinking. China has 1.5 billion vs USA 400mil. Its a white nationalist thinking to purnish Huawei, which looked forward while USA was busy fighting Iraq wars.
That seems to be a little off the mark. Even the whole of China does not buy that much. In fact, the entire two-way trade between China and the USA is well below that. According to the US Trade Representative:
* Total US-to-China exports (goods and service) in 2018: $179 billion
* Total China-to-USA exports (goods and services) in 2018: $558 billion
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/china-mongolia-taiwan/peoples-republic-china
My guess is that Huawei will get some pain in the short/medium term, but not in the long term, given that Chinese industry is (especially with its strong government support) trying to wean itself off certain dependencies. Short term: the ZTE fiasco shows that for some things there is still no "looking elsewhere" … at least not right now. Still, it might not be that bad for Huawei, given all the reports/claims that they have been stockpiling on some of what they need … last figure I saw (Nikkei Asian Review) was a 12-month pile.
-
Got that figure from Nation - I think 1.1trillion Kshs (10 billion dollars). Still that a lot of money US companies will lose - 11billion dollar hole for Google, Intel and such companies.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/What-Huawei-restriction-means-for-Kenya-/1056-5124102-4g7e18z/index.html
But Huwaei is already a colossus and will ride thro this. This is just US getting scared of Huwei 5G rollout way before any US company figures it out.
If China retaliates the Googles and Apples will suffer more. Huwaei buys 1 trillion dollars worth of goods and service from US - and they will start looking elsewhere including internally.
Thats my take. Its a very short sighted short term thinking. China has 1.5 billion vs USA 400mil. Its a white nationalist thinking to purnish Huawei, which looked forward while USA was busy fighting Iraq wars.
That seems to be a little off the mark. Even the whole of China does not buy that much. In fact, the entire two-way trade between China and the USA is well below that. According to the US Trade Representative:
* Total US-to-China exports (goods and service) in 2018: $179 billion
* Total China-to-USA exports (goods and services) in 2018: $558 billion
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/china-mongolia-taiwan/peoples-republic-china
My guess is that Huawei will get some pain in the short/medium term, but not in the long term, given that Chinese industry is (especially with its strong government support) trying to wean itself off certain dependencies. Short term: the ZTE fiasco shows that for some things there is still no "looking elsewhere" … at least not right now. Still, it might not be that bad for Huawei, given all the reports/claims that they have been stockpiling on some of what they need … last figure I saw (Nikkei Asian Review) was a 12-month pile.
-
Trump is fighting too many wars at the same time. He hardly has any allies left apart from a few dictators.
In this fight with China, the US has a lot to loose. Alone the US companies in China have a turnover of over US$ 200B. These are US companies producing in China for the Chinese market. Once Chinese consumers start boycotting US products, many US companies will feel the pinch and the profit for the shareholders will shrink.
-
Trump is fighting too many wars at the same time. He hardly has any allies left apart from a few dictators.
In this fight with China, the US has a lot to loose. Alone the US companies in China have a turnover of over US$ 200B. These are US companies producing in China for the Chinese market. Once Chinese consumers start boycotting US products, many US companies will feel the pinch and the profit for the shareholders will shrink.
Trump wants the white race to appear on top, so his wars are meant to inflict pain so that the "superior race" can dominate.
-
Trump is fighting too many wars at the same time. He hardly has any allies left apart from a few dictators.
In this fight with China, the US has a lot to loose. Alone the US companies in China have a turnover of over US$ 200B. These are US companies producing in China for the Chinese market. Once Chinese consumers start boycotting US products, many US companies will feel the pinch and the profit for the shareholders will shrink.
Trump wants the white race to appear on top, so his wars are meant to inflict pain so that the "superior race" can dominate.
He is a white supremacist no doubt. But I think the chaos he is causing is to distract from bigger personal issues. There is no hidden evil strategic genius of restoring white power. Soon we will be able to see financial data from his accountants so we better brace for a bigger shitshow.
-
Huawei phone business can’t survive without Android license. They are done. I don’t think we will get there. Like ZTE,there will be negotiations and some fines and some concessions.
I think US is really spooked by just how much Huawei hardware will be dedicated to the 5G network. If they can get Huawei to go easy on that then they will get back their Android license.
-
Huawei phone business can’t survive without Android license. They are done. I don’t think we will get there. Like ZTE,there will be negotiations and some fines and some concessions.
I think US is really spooked by just how much Huawei hardware will be dedicated to the 5G network. If they can get Huawei to go easy on that then they will get back their Android license.
Nope you're off on 5G as the beef. It's only a symptom. These are the furious kicks of a losing horse. They have issues with the whole Made in China 2025 not just Huawei. Basically China would have to shutter her progress and supplicate to appease the US. Not happening. Huawei won't conform - but strategically - cause for Xi and the Party such weakness is a BAD MOVE in war. Expect long haul cold war until a winner emerges - my $$ on the dragon. Huawei and other victims will be bruised badly in the crossfire - Apple, Tesla, Safaricom, etc.
-
More trouble for Huawei
Huawei is in deep trouble this week after the U.S. government slapped it with a trade ban, affecting all U.S. companies dealing with the Chinese manufacturer.
The move means Huawei loses out on important smartphone components, as well as Google’s services on Android. The latter was particularly troubling news, as all upcoming Huawei phones aren’t allowed to ship with Google’s apps (e.g. the Play Store, Search, Maps) and the Google Mobile Services framework that underpins Android in the west.
Huawei received a temporary reprieve from the U.S. government yesterday, allowing it to gain access to Google’s Android software in order to keep existing devices updated.
However, veteran chip company Arm is also reportedly cutting ties with the Chinese firm — and that’s a far bigger blow than losing Google’s services.
is the life blood of the smartphone market, as it’s responsible for the inner workings of the vast majority of smartphones. The company’s architecture and instruction sets are licensed by literally everyone in the smartphone industry. The way a smartphone thinks and processes things? That’s Arm technology right there.
Read: HiSilicon — What you need to know about Huawei’s chip design unit
Arm is also responsible for designing the CPUs and GPUs used in the majority of phones around the world. With the exception of Apple, almost every mobile chip maker out there licenses Arm’s CPU and/or GPU designs for its own processors too. Whether it’s Qualcomm, Huawei’s HiSilicon chip unit, MediaTek, or Samsung’s Exynos, they all use this tech. So you’ve got Arm hardware in your Samsung Galaxy, Google Pixel, Huawei device, and just about any other Android brand you can think of.
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-arm-989084/
-
More trouble for Huawei
Huawei is in deep trouble this week after the U.S. government slapped it with a trade ban, affecting all U.S. companies dealing with the Chinese manufacturer.
The move means Huawei loses out on important smartphone components, as well as Google’s services on Android. The latter was particularly troubling news, as all upcoming Huawei phones aren’t allowed to ship with Google’s apps (e.g. the Play Store, Search, Maps) and the Google Mobile Services framework that underpins Android in the west.
Huawei received a temporary reprieve from the U.S. government yesterday, allowing it to gain access to Google’s Android software in order to keep existing devices updated.
However, veteran chip company Arm is also reportedly cutting ties with the Chinese firm — and that’s a far bigger blow than losing Google’s services.
is the life blood of the smartphone market, as it’s responsible for the inner workings of the vast majority of smartphones. The company’s architecture and instruction sets are licensed by literally everyone in the smartphone industry. The way a smartphone thinks and processes things? That’s Arm technology right there.
Read: HiSilicon — What you need to know about Huawei’s chip design unit
Arm is also responsible for designing the CPUs and GPUs used in the majority of phones around the world. With the exception of Apple, almost every mobile chip maker out there licenses Arm’s CPU and/or GPU designs for its own processors too. Whether it’s Qualcomm, Huawei’s HiSilicon chip unit, MediaTek, or Samsung’s Exynos, they all use this tech. So you’ve got Arm hardware in your Samsung Galaxy, Google Pixel, Huawei device, and just about any other Android brand you can think of.
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-arm-989084/ (https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-arm-989084/)
ARM is British. Not American. How does the ban affect them?
-
More trouble for Huawei
Huawei is in deep trouble this week after the U.S. government slapped it with a trade ban, affecting all U.S. companies dealing with the Chinese manufacturer.
The move means Huawei loses out on important smartphone components, as well as Google’s services on Android. The latter was particularly troubling news, as all upcoming Huawei phones aren’t allowed to ship with Google’s apps (e.g. the Play Store, Search, Maps) and the Google Mobile Services framework that underpins Android in the west.
Huawei received a temporary reprieve from the U.S. government yesterday, allowing it to gain access to Google’s Android software in order to keep existing devices updated.
However, veteran chip company Arm is also reportedly cutting ties with the Chinese firm — and that’s a far bigger blow than losing Google’s services.
is the life blood of the smartphone market, as it’s responsible for the inner workings of the vast majority of smartphones. The company’s architecture and instruction sets are licensed by literally everyone in the smartphone industry. The way a smartphone thinks and processes things? That’s Arm technology right there.
Read: HiSilicon — What you need to know about Huawei’s chip design unit
Arm is also responsible for designing the CPUs and GPUs used in the majority of phones around the world. With the exception of Apple, almost every mobile chip maker out there licenses Arm’s CPU and/or GPU designs for its own processors too. Whether it’s Qualcomm, Huawei’s HiSilicon chip unit, MediaTek, or Samsung’s Exynos, they all use this tech. So you’ve got Arm hardware in your Samsung Galaxy, Google Pixel, Huawei device, and just about any other Android brand you can think of.
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-arm-989084/ (https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-arm-989084/)
ARM is British. Not American. How does the ban affect them?
Most of their tech is ‘US origin technology’
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48363772
-
Huawei phone business can’t survive without Android license. They are done. I don’t think we will get there. Like ZTE,there will be negotiations and some fines and some concessions.
I think US is really spooked by just how much Huawei hardware will be dedicated to the 5G network. If they can get Huawei to go easy on that then they will get back their Android license.
Nope you're off on 5G as the beef. It's only a symptom. These are the furious kicks of a losing horse. They have issues with the whole Made in China 2025 not just Huawei. Basically China would have to shutter her progress and supplicate to appease the US. Not happening. Huawei won't conform - but strategically - cause for Xi and the Party such weakness is a BAD MOVE in war. Expect long haul cold war until a winner emerges - my $$ on the dragon. Huawei and other victims will be bruised badly in the crossfire - Apple, Tesla, Safaricom, etc.
China has most of Asia as a market - over 2billion people. What does USA have - 400million?
usa exports nothing but entertainment.
Youve got to look at this 10yrs down the road.
-
That is what you think. How come Huewei mobile phones cannot work without American technology if the US exports nothing?
China has most of Asia as a market - over 2billion people. What does USA have - 400million?
usa exports nothing but entertainment.
Youve got to look at this 10yrs down the road.
-
Who said they cannot work without it? Huwaei already got 5G - without them - and that is the main beef here. Huwaei for some years now have been filling more patents than anyone.
It will take Huawei less than six months to whip out an OS and the whole shebang if need be. They are teaming with thousands of very smart engineers.
The loss of Western Market - will be compensated by Asia market - when China equally retaliate.
We are in inter-connected and inter-dependent world. Everyone wins or loses here.
That is what you think. How come Huewei mobile phones cannot work without American technology if the US exports nothing?
-
Exactly.
Having an OS is not the big issue. Samsumg has also its own OS, but would not dare market it openly. Where are the apps that run on it? The customers will not accept an OS with limited apps. Nobody has the patience to wait for months before enough apps are availble on a new OS.
If it were so easy to whip out an OS, then Samsung would have done that ages ago.
Who said they cannot work without it? Huwaei already got 5G - without them - and that is the main beef here. Huwaei for some years now have been filling more patents than anyone.
It will take Huawei less than six months to whip out an OS and the whole shebang if need be. They are teaming with thousands of very smart engineers.
The loss of Western Market - will be compensated by Asia market - when China equally retaliate.
We are in inter-connected and inter-dependent world. Everyone wins or loses here.
-
That is what you think. How come Huewei mobile phones cannot work without American technology if the US exports nothing?
China has most of Asia as a market - over 2billion people. What does USA have - 400million?
usa exports nothing but entertainment.
Youve got to look at this 10yrs down the road.
USA tech and China tech are co dependent. Its going to be another Brexit to separate the two. The advantage China has is that it is a larger growing market vs USA that is smaller and saturated.
-
Yes Parkerpen gets it. China is still an emerging market - cause the per capita is way below the West with huge potential. Same as India. I think it's short sighted what Trump is doing - you can't stop the Chinese from out-innovating the US industry while at the same time sanctioning EU and everyone. Blocking expat visas yet whine about the Chinese Green Card - Thousand Talents. Very incoherent strategy. Made in China 2025 and everything Chinese is now the real beef but it's simply impossible to contain the Red Dragon.
-
Chinese will wait and their gov will force them to wait - China will simply ban Android & Ios (iPhone) - and that will give Huwaei the market support - it needs to survive - and as it figures out the global game. China has 1.5B population - enough to sustain it for sometimes - Apples and rest - will have to lose Chinese market.
Obviously Chinese are not going to rush before doing the maths. That difference btw them and US. Chinese leaders are mostly very smart - because their system is more a technocracy than democracy.
Exactly.
Having an OS is not the big issue. Samsumg has also its own OS, but would not dare market it openly. Where are the apps that run on it? The customers will not accept an OS with limited apps. Nobody has the patience to wait for months before enough apps are availble on a new OS.
If it were so easy to whip out an OS, then Samsung would have done that ages ago.
Who said they cannot work without it? Huwaei already got 5G - without them - and that is the main beef here. Huwaei for some years now have been filling more patents than anyone.
It will take Huawei less than six months to whip out an OS and the whole shebang if need be. They are teaming with thousands of very smart engineers.
The loss of Western Market - will be compensated by Asia market - when China equally retaliate.
We are in inter-connected and inter-dependent world. Everyone wins or loses here.
-
I am suprised that US tech companies are not complaining. This is the start of end of US tech. Once you allow politics into this - nobody will invest long term in tech ecosystem - trump can turn on and off. Therefore China and rest will look for other solutions. Microsoft was untouchable but they started messing around. Linux took them down eventually. Chinese are already ahead of the game - and US response is INSANITY 101.
Trump should think about investing more in tech industries - not stifling China tech.
When USSR got to the space earlier than American - US didn't ban USSR - they decided to invest heavily in education and research - and NASA has been untouchable since.
Trump has billions of dollars it can throw into R & D into 5G or even 10G - and make the US truly great again.
Yes Parkerpen gets it. China is still an emerging market - cause the per capita is way below the West with huge potential. Same as India. I think it's short sighted what Trump is doing - you can't stop the Chinese from out-innovating the US industry while at the same time sanctioning EU and everyone. Blocking expat visas yet whine about the Chinese Green Card - Thousand Talents. Very incoherent strategy. Made in China 2025 and everything Chinese is now the real beef but it's simply impossible to contain the Red Dragon.
-
Yup - Xi will ban even Samsung - and allow in-built tech to thrive like Alibaba or Tencent. Just add Google and Apple to the Great Firewall like Facebook. The US must address what is the root cause of losing the competitive edge to China. I think so long as China remains as productive as the West - with 1.3B folks the US will lose really bad in the coming years.
Chinese will wait and their gov will force them to wait - China will simply ban Android & Ios (iPhone) - and that will give Huwaei the market support - it needs to survive - and as it figures out the global game. China has 1.5B population - enough to sustain it for sometimes - Apples and rest - will have to lose Chinese market.
Obviously Chinese are not going to rush before doing the maths. That difference btw them and US. Chinese leaders are mostly very smart - because their system is more a technocracy than democracy.
Exactly.
Having an OS is not the big issue. Samsumg has also its own OS, but would not dare market it openly. Where are the apps that run on it? The customers will not accept an OS with limited apps. Nobody has the patience to wait for months before enough apps are availble on a new OS.
If it were so easy to whip out an OS, then Samsung would have done that ages ago.
Who said they cannot work without it? Huwaei already got 5G - without them - and that is the main beef here. Huwaei for some years now have been filling more patents than anyone.
It will take Huawei less than six months to whip out an OS and the whole shebang if need be. They are teaming with thousands of very smart engineers.
The loss of Western Market - will be compensated by Asia market - when China equally retaliate.
We are in inter-connected and inter-dependent world. Everyone wins or loses here.
-
It is possible to invest heavy in R&D or tech but due to politics - US is very incoherent where Obama start one thing - Trump cancel - etc. That is the cost of democracy compared to China system. Smart well-honed folks line the bureaucracy top to bottom. In US you have new folks every election. Communism basically means 1.3B folks fall in line when Xi make the battle cry. In the US I doubt folks can even be ordered to buy anything by the government.
Its's a no-brainer who will win this one.
I am suprised that US tech companies are not complaining. This is the start of end of US tech. Once you allow politics into this - nobody will invest long term in tech ecosystem - trump can turn on and off. Therefore China and rest will look for other solutions. Microsoft was untouchable but they started messing around. Linux took them down eventually. Chinese are already ahead of the game - and US response is INSANITY 101.
Trump should think about investing more in tech industries - not stifling China tech.
When USSR got to the space earlier than American - US didn't ban USSR - they decided to invest heavily in education and research - and NASA has been untouchable since.
Trump has billions of dollars it can throw into R & D into 5G or even 10G - and make the US truly great again.
-
Huwaei says they have had Android replacement sitting ready for Trump.
-
Huwaei says they have had Android replacement sitting ready for Trump.
Empty bravado. Window,Blackberry,Tizen.....a new OS is not a big deal, getting developers on board is.
-
Pundit does not want to get. even Samsung has an OS with the name of Tizen. Ever heard of it? Samsung even sells more mobile phones than Huawei but would not dare try market the OS.
Empty bravado. Window,Blackberry,Tizen.....a new OS is not a big deal, getting developers on board is.
-
The days when apps were developed for one ecosystem is long gone. They are now tools - that allow you to compile - you app - to any device. Therefore the amount of work needed to get HongKeng version of thd app is simple. These are existing tools that Huwaei can simply make it available for free. Convert you android app to HongMeng in a second! kind of thing.
For example - MechDome is a Developer Tool that Automatically Converts Android to Ios.
Which developer will ignore the China market of 1B devices?
At end of the day - Ios or Android - all sit on top of unix - and so will many future OS.
Empty bravado. Window,Blackberry,Tizen.....a new OS is not a big deal, getting developers on board is.
-
I am suprised that US tech companies are not complaining. This is the start of end of US tech. Once you allow politics into this - nobody will invest long term in tech ecosystem - trump can turn on and off. Therefore China and rest will look for other solutions. Microsoft was untouchable but they started messing around. Linux took them down eventually. Chinese are already ahead of the game - and US response is INSANITY 101.
Trump should think about investing more in tech industries - not stifling China tech.
When USSR got to the space earlier than American - US didn't ban USSR - they decided to invest heavily in education and research - and NASA has been untouchable since.
Trump has billions of dollars it can throw into R & D into 5G or even 10G - and make the US truly great again.
That is what has the potential to hurt the US, long term. One of America's most important intangibles has always been the independence of private investments from the government of the day. The fairness and integrity of the system is not supposed to be upended by a lunatic. But Trump is changing that perception on a daily basis.
-
The days when apps were developed for one ecosystem is long gone. They are now tools - that allow you to compile - you app - to any device. Therefore the amount of work needed to get HongKeng version of thd app is simple. These are existing tools that Huwaei can simply make it available for free. Convert you android app to HongMeng in a second! kind of thing.
For example - MechDome is a Developer Tool that Automatically Converts Android to Ios.
Which developer will ignore the China market of 1B devices?
At end of the day - Ios or Android - all sit on top of unix - and so will many future OS.
Empty bravado. Window,Blackberry,Tizen.....a new OS is not a big deal, getting developers on board is.
Operating system.is the least of their worries.
They have access to Android minus Google Services
They have to contend with ARM, develop their own chips independent of ARM which I read will take years or months
How do the phones run without modems,radio,GPS?
But I see this being resolved amicably
-
The OS ecosystem like Android Play Store takes years to build. But Huawei with a Billion patriots will be frogmarched into success. This war will make that company strong. I see Android and iOS and Windows losing a B customers overnight.
-
Resolved or not - Chinese tech companies armed with billion of dollars are not going to wait for Trump to use them as bait in his "Art of deal making" in the future. Expect Chinese to invest massively in building their own tech or even buying US companies - and shifting operation to China.
Operating system.is the least of their worries.
They have access to Android minus Google Services
They have to contend with ARM, develop their own chips independent of ARM which I read will take years or months
How do the phones run without modems,radio,GPS?
But I see this being resolved amicably
-
The OS ecosystem like Android Play Store takes years to build. But Huawei with a Billion patriots will be frogmarched into success. This war will make that company strong. I see Android and iOS and Windows losing a B customers overnight.
Yap. China has the numbers. USA does not.
BTW, USA foreign policies, especially business have been coherent until Trump.
-
The OS ecosystem like Android Play Store takes years to build. But Huawei with a Billion patriots will be frogmarched into success. This war will make that company strong. I see Android and iOS and Windows losing a B customers overnight.
Yap. China has the numbers. USA does not.
BTW, USA foreign policies, especially business have been coherent until Trump.
Trump is a mono-minded fool. I thought stuff like global warming is a hoax was just campaign rhetoric until dude took power. All his moves - cancel TPP, climate accord, Iran deal, Green Card restrictions - and now this anti-China hysteria - naive approach to complex challenges. Trump really lacks sophistication and treats everything as a "deal". He is an escalator of the US downfall.
-
The OS ecosystem like Android Play Store takes years to build. But Huawei with a Billion patriots will be frogmarched into success. This war will make that company strong. I see Android and iOS and Windows losing a B customers overnight.
Yap. China has the numbers. USA does not.
BTW, USA foreign policies, especially business have been coherent until Trump.
Trump is a mono-minded fool. I thought stuff like global warming is a hoax was just campaign rhetoric until dude took power. All his moves - cancel TPP, climate accord, Iran deal, Green Card restrictions - and now this anti-China hysteria - naive approach to complex challenges. Trump really lacks sophistication and treats everything as a "deal". He is an escalator of the US downfall.
I still think if he were clean, he would be the same boorish character but following a more traditional US approach. Right now such actions are his only outlet to the buzz in Washington circling in on his life in crime. That and caging kids. He might start slaughtering puppies on the South lawn.
His big mouth has gotten him far, but he probably bit too much with a presidency even he did not expect to win.
-
The 'stable genius' blinks first, Huawei gets to live:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-29/xi-trump-agree-to-restart-trade-talks-china-says
-
Trump gave in after realizing that Chinese cant be manipulated.
Chinese look stronger.
Same thing with N. Korea.
What about Iran???
-
Trump gave in after realizing that Chinese cant be manipulated.
Chinese look stronger.
Same thing with N. Korea.
What about Iran???
I am more inclined to believe he gave in after Xi said something nice about him.
-
:) that is all trump really graves for; he needs to be given Nobel Peace Prize - for crossing into North Korea - and he will leave folks alone. Trump the little man just like a lot more respect and soothing of his fragile ego.
I am more inclined to believe he gave in after Xi said something nice about him.
-
So far he has acieved nothing. N. Korea will never give up its nuclear arms. That would be suicide for the Rocket Man.
Trump's ego is too big and that will also be his undoing.
:) that is all trump really graves for; he needs to be given Nobel Peace Prize - for crossing into North Korea - and he will leave folks alone. Trump the little man just like a lot more respect and soothing of his fragile ego.
-
Even Iran will not. After the poor example the west set with Gaddaffi none of these regimes are naive anymore.
So far he has acieved nothing. N. Korea will never give up its nuclear arms. That would be suicide for the Rocket Man.
Trump's ego is too big and that will also be his undoing.
-
So far he has acieved nothing. N. Korea will never give up its nuclear arms. That would be suicide for the Rocket Man.
Trump's ego is too big and that will also be his undoing.
:) that is all trump really graves for; he needs to be given Nobel Peace Prize - for crossing into North Korea - and he will leave folks alone. Trump the little man just like a lot more respect and soothing of his fragile ego.
You can’t judge that hours later. Give it time.
China is worried about N. Korea falling. They can’t feed the refugees. They are also not too sure a strong NK is favorable to their objectives or not. Nobody wants those nukes
-
Huawei to roll out HongmengOS in the fall, to replace Android and Windows in the Mate 30 and Mate 30X handsets.
https://m.gsmarena.com/huaweis_hongmengos_is_faster_than_android_and_macos_has_broader_application-news-37981.php
-
Huawei to roll out HongmengOS in the fall, to replace Android and Windows in the Mate 30 and Mate 30X handsets.
https://m.gsmarena.com/huaweis_hongmengos_is_faster_than_android_and_macos_has_broader_application-news-37981.php
Make yy day
-
Huawei to roll out HongmengOS in the fall, to replace Android and Windows in the Mate 30 and Mate 30X handsets.
https://m.gsmarena.com/huaweis_hongmengos_is_faster_than_android_and_macos_has_broader_application-news-37981.php
The only losers are American businesses. We've lost an upcoming market with a total population of 1.5 billion people. China will do the same thing in 20yrs, after surpassing USA as an economic engine. Trump is a very short sighted leader with no abilities to think beyond today.
-
China is worried about N. Korea falling. They can’t feed the refugees. They are also not too sure a strong NK is favorable to their objectives or not. Nobody wants those nukes
Why would China be worried about NK refugees? If NK falls the most likely scenario will be a re-unification of North and South. And I doubt that China is really that concerned about NK's nukles; the Chinese have certainly not done much to dissuade Kim from that path.
-
China is worried about N. Korea falling. They can’t feed the refugees. They are also not too sure a strong NK is favorable to their objectives or not. Nobody wants those nukes
Why would China be worried about NK refugees? If NK falls the most likely scenario will be a re-unification of North and South. And I doubt that China is really that concerned about NK's nukles; the Chinese have certainly not done much to dissuade Kim from that path.
China is paranoid when it comes to refugees. NK escapees are rounded up and returned back home. About nukes it's not that they don't care but NK acquired them when China was not in any position to oppose. China hates them nukes but they are here so what to do other than buy loyalty in case of US aggression?
-
China is paranoid when it comes to refugees. NK escapees are rounded up and returned back home. About nukes it's not that they don't care but NK acquired them when China was not in any position to oppose. China hates them nukes but they are here so what to do other than buy loyalty in case of US aggression?
Yes, China does not like refugees. But my question was different: why do you think a collapse of the North Korea would send "tons" of refugees fleeing to China? Keep in mind that on such a collapse, the first thing that would happen is that the border to the South would be opened wide. Why do you think China was not in a position to oppose NK's acquisition of nukes? China has had enormous leverage over NK since 1940s.
-
China is paranoid when it comes to refugees. NK escapees are rounded up and returned back home. About nukes it's not that they don't care but NK acquired them when China was not in any position to oppose. China hates them nukes but they are here so what to do other than buy loyalty in case of US aggression?
Yes, China does not like refugees. But my question was different: why do you think a collapse of the North Korea would send "tons" of refugees fleeing to China? Keep in mind that on such a collapse, the first thing that would happen is that the border to the South would be opened wide. Why do you think China was not in a position to oppose NK's acquisition of nukes? China has had enormous leverage over NK since 1940s.
I answered. Refugees would pour into neighbors and China is one of them. Their aversion to refugees presently suggests they dread NK refugees. The NK-China border at 840KM is there times larger than the 250Km demillitarized zone between NK and SK. Bulk of NK population live nearer Chinese border than the demillitarized zone
China has been NK Ally since the Korean war and before but NK pulled a fast one in 2006 when they tested a nuclear weapons. Means the nuclear program was done behind their back for a better part.
-
I answered. Refugees would pour into neighbors and China is one of them. Their aversion to refugees presently suggests they dread NK refugees. The NK-China border at 840KM is there times larger than the 250Km demillitarized zone between NK and SK. Bulk of NK population live nearer Chinese border than the demillitarized zone
China has been NK Ally since the Korean war and before but NK pulled a fast one in 2006 when they tested a nuclear weapons. Means the nuclear program was done behind their back for a better part.
Actually you did not. Why would they pour into China or Russia, where they are not wanted, instead of just going South, where they would be welcomed as full citizens and not refugees?. Saying that the border is longer (actually 1420 km, not your 840) and most of them live up there does not do it; I never heard of (would-be) refugees choosing where to go on such a basis. And then there's this (which you should also relate to the ease of crossing that long border):
Most North Koreans live in in the south and west of the country, which is largely made up of lowlands. The north of the country, near the border with China, is more mountainous and far less densely populated.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/north-korea-population/
(By the way, as far as I can tell, from first-hand observation, the Chinese just don't like any kind of refugee, and I wouldn't extrapolate that into something special about NK.)
The "fast one" theory too is interesting, given that NK's nuclear ambitions were evident as early as the 1980s. In fact, at one point Little Kim's father invited Westerners to view a plutonium extraction facility. You might also want to look into the IAEA's attempts to properly inspect the Yongbyon complex and their conclusion that NK was most likely working on nuclear weapons Etc. Etc. Etc.. That was in the 1990s. A whole bunch of stuff in the history, and China did not know of any of it? In any case, the issue wa about leverage right now. Are you sure the China, with all the sanctions-busting NK front companies operating there and it being, by a huge margin NK's largest trading partner---doesn't have the leverage to push NK?
-
Who else thought this fool is parochial enough?
Leak claims Trump scrapped Iran nuclear deal to spite Obama
IN SUMMARY
Under that agreement Iran agreed to limit its sensitive nuclear activities.
However, President Trump did not think that the deal went far enough.
Sir Kim stepped down as US ambassador on Wednesday, saying it was "impossible" for him to continue.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/world/Why-Trump-scrapped-Iran-nuclear-deal/3126396-5195158-6j852pz/index.html
-
I answered. Refugees would pour into neighbors and China is one of them. Their aversion to refugees presently suggests they dread NK refugees. The NK-China border at 840KM is there times larger than the 250Km demillitarized zone between NK and SK. Bulk of NK population live nearer Chinese border than the demillitarized zone
China has been NK Ally since the Korean war and before but NK pulled a fast one in 2006 when they tested a nuclear weapons. Means the nuclear program was done behind their back for a better part.
Actually you did not. Why would they pour into China or Russia, where they are not wanted, instead of just going South, where they would be welcomed as full citizens and not refugees?. Saying that the border is longer (actually 1420 km, not your 840) and most of them live up there does not do it; I never heard of (would-be) refugees choosing where to go on such a basis. And then there's this (which you should also relate to the ease of crossing that long border):
Most North Koreans live in in the south and west of the country, which is largely made up of lowlands. The north of the country, near the border with China, is more mountainous and far less densely populated.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/north-korea-population/
(By the way, as far as I can tell, from first-hand observation, the Chinese just don't like any kind of refugee, and I wouldn't extrapolate that into something special about NK.)
The "fast one" theory too is interesting, given that NK's nuclear ambitions were evident as early as the 1980s. In fact, at one point Little Kim's father invited Westerners to view a plutonium extraction facility. You might also want to look into the IAEA's attempts to properly inspect the Yongbyon complex and their conclusion that NK was most likely working on nuclear weapons Etc. Etc. Etc.. That was in the 1990s. A whole bunch of stuff in the history, and China did not know of any of it? In any case, the issue wa about leverage right now. Are you sure the China, with all the sanctions-busting NK front companies operating there and it being, by a huge margin NK's largest trading partner---doesn't have the leverage to push NK?
Refugees flee to the nearest border. They are not killed for fleeing to China. Where else would they flee if war broke out with the 830KM border near them?
-
Refugees flee to the nearest border. They are not killed for fleeing to China. Where else would they flee if war broke out with the 830KM border near them?
Here's some news for you: when it comes to land travel, it is not just a matter of placing a ruler on a map and saying "this bit is closer"; the terrain determines the time and difficulty of travel. Do you actually know much of the NK-China border? And have you considered the other factors that I mentioned?
During the Korean War about 650,000 North Koreans went south, and only about 10,000 went northwards. How does that fit with your "nearest border" theory?
Why do you think China would allow even masses of refugees to cross into the country? And do you know anything of the South Koreans' contingency plans?
By the way, where do you get this 830km/840km figure for the length of the border?
Look, I'll give you an A for your determination to argue. But on knowledge of the Korean Peninsula, I'm afraid the grade must be a D-.
-
Who else thought this fool is parochial enough?
Leak claims Trump scrapped Iran nuclear deal to spite Obama
IN SUMMARY
Under that agreement Iran agreed to limit its sensitive nuclear activities.
However, President Trump did not think that the deal went far enough.
Sir Kim stepped down as US ambassador on Wednesday, saying it was "impossible" for him to continue.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/world/Why-Trump-scrapped-Iran-nuclear-deal/3126396-5195158-6j852pz/index.html
Robina
Wake UP. The many has no policy, except reverse what Obama did - right or wrong. Republicans have no policy - except abortion.
-
Refugees flee to the nearest border. They are not killed for fleeing to China. Where else would they flee if war broke out with the 830KM border near them?
Here's some news for you: when it comes to land travel, it is not just a matter of placing a ruler on a map and saying "this bit is closer"; the terrain determines the time and difficulty of travel. Do you actually know much of the NK-China border? And have you considered the other factors that I mentioned?
During the Korean War about 650,000 North Koreans went south, and only about 10,000 went northwards. How does that fit with your "nearest border" theory?
Why do you think China would allow even masses of refugees to cross into the country? And do you know anything of the South Koreans' contingency plans?
By the way, where do you get this 830km/840km figure for the length of the border?
Look, I'll give you an A for your determination to argue. But on knowledge of the Korean Peninsula, I'm afraid the grade must be a D-.
The only relevant question here is the border length. Look it up if you have never bothered
-
Refugees flee to the nearest border. They are not killed for fleeing to China. Where else would they flee if war broke out with the 830KM border near them?
Here's some news for you: when it comes to land travel, it is not just a matter of placing a ruler on a map and saying "this bit is closer"; the terrain determines the time and difficulty of travel. Do you actually know much of the NK-China border? And have you considered the other factors that I mentioned?
During the Korean War about 650,000 North Koreans went south, and only about 10,000 went northwards. How does that fit with your "nearest border" theory?
Why do you think China would allow even masses of refugees to cross into the country? And do you know anything of the South Koreans' contingency plans?
By the way, where do you get this 830km/840km figure for the length of the border?
Look, I'll give you an A for your determination to argue. But on knowledge of the Korean Peninsula, I'm afraid the grade must be a D-.
The only relevant question here is the border length. Look it up if you have never bothered
I think you expect us to just pretend that the facts as shared by MOON Ki are not relevant. It seems to me that war on the peninsula would see most of the action and danger happening North of where the would-be refugees live. They would be highly motivated to avoid those areas for fear of becoming collateral damage.
During the Korean War about 650,000 North Koreans went south, and only about 10,000 went northwards. How does that fit with your "nearest border" theory?
Most North Koreans live in in the south and west of the country, which is largely made up of lowlands. The north of the country, near the border with China, is more mountainous and far less densely populated.
-
...
By the way, where do you get this 830km/840km figure for the length of the border?
...
The only relevant question here is the border length. Look it up if you have never bothered
So says Vooke. I take it that is your answer to that particular question? OK. I decided to bother. Here is what I found:
The border is 1,420 kilometres.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93North_Korea_border
So, then: your answer to the question above (which you claim is the only relevant one)?